Re: letter writing campaign

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 99-10-01 03:49:43 EDT, you write:

<< s this a low carb diabetes group? >>

Darren:

The list is for both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetics. However, a large part of

this group is into the low carb method of helping to control blood sugar

levels. You will get ALOT of support for low carbing!

God's Speed.

***Robin***

[Guest guest]

Hi all, new to this list. I have about 2 weeks worth of messages to read but

my first question is, is this a low carb diabetes group?

Darren T2, currently low carb and xcersize

dghart@...

A fine is a tax for doing bad,

A tax is a fine for doing good.

Re: letter from R@

Hi, Elva, your last post was totally inspirational...I'm so happy with your

excellent results with low carbing. Would you consider doing a little

prosletizing to those two magazines I mentioned the other day? No one seems

to have picked up on this and my lone letter wouldn't have nearly the impact

as a bunch of letters. Susie, I especially hoped you could send

something...you're so articulate and have so many more facts at your beck

and

call...of course, you're probably very busy getting ready for your Big

Move... Vicki

[Guest guest]

thanks for the reply, I have started following a lc diet for about 4 weeks,

gradually cutting out carbs, im down 20 lbs of the 90 i should loose, bg's

are getting better, currently in the 5 to 6 range.(90 to 108 us) I stopped

using metformin because I think I was reacting to it, but not sure, also

have a alchohol problem, which is contradictoryn in the use of met.

Darren T2

dghart@...

A fine is a tax for doing bad,

A tax is a fine for doing good.

Re: letter writing campaign

From: RSMYTH1000@...

In a message dated 99-10-01 03:49:43 EDT, you write:

<< s this a low carb diabetes group? >>

Darren:

The list is for both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetics. However, a large part of

this group is into the low carb method of helping to control blood sugar

levels. You will get ALOT of support for low carbing!

God's Speed.

***Robin***

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 99-10-01 04:21:34 EDT, you write:

<< I stopped

using metformin because I think I was reacting to it, but not sure, also

have a alchohol problem, which is contradictoryn in the use of met. >>

Probably would be better for your bod if you kept the metformin and stopped

the alcohol...Vicki

[Guest guest]

Darren asks:

<< Hi all, new to this list. I have about 2 weeks worth of messages to read

but

my first question is, is this a low carb diabetes group? >>

Well, Darren, this group is an interesting international group for

diabetics. Thus the name: diabetes_int

Low-carbing is not a requirement to join the group - but diabetics who don't

low-carb must get pretty tired of us who do low-carb always crowing about

our great results. We are hoping to coax other diabetics into trying our

method when they are encouraged by our successes. I've been limiting

carbohydrate intake for nearly two years, and my diabetes and overall health

have improved so much that I would never consider another eating style.

Another listmate, Rob, whom I plan to marry soon, has also adopted

low-carbing and is quite happy with the results.

Susie

(long-term type 2 ... HbA1c's in the high 5's on diet alone)

[Guest guest]

Darren wrote:

<< ... i'm down 20 lbs of the 90 i should lose, bg's are getting better,

currently in the 5 to 6 range.(90 to 108 us) I stopped using metformin

because I think I was reacting to it, but not sure, also

have a alchohol problem, which is contradictoryn in the use of met. >>

Good job all around, Darren! There is a surprising amount of alcoholism

among diabetics, and my theory is that, when we eat the typical modern diet

that is high in carbohydrates, our glucose levels shoot too high ... then

they come crashing down (the " rollercoaster ride " ). And when our glucose

levels drop too low (hypoglycemia), our bodies set up a fierce craving for

FAST carbs ... and the sugars in alcohol are processed extremely fast. In

fact, when a person eats and drinks liquor at the same time, the body will

basically " park " the food and grab the liquor.

So evening out glucose levels by low-carbing should help minimize the hypos

that may be contributing to a desire to drink alcohol. But the diabetes

takes years to develop; problem drinking usually takes years to develop. It

becomes an ingrained habit. It's hard to change our daily routines to the

point that we can stop obsessing about the changes and relax. Some

low-carbers who are not diabetic get into trouble because they dive into

Atkins' Induction Phase, e.g., planning to stick with it until the weight is

lost. But often they don't lose every pound they intended to, and they can

get discouraged eventually. It's a different story for diabetics. We know

when we get into this that it's for the rest of our lives. And that is a

major reason why I chose to do moderate-carb, rather than dropping carb

intake to the ketogenic level. But my weight loss has stalled, so I am

thinking of reducing carbs further, to get into fat-burning mode. And I

definitely need to add more exercise. I'm spending my time on my backside,

*talking* about successful diabetes management, instead of getting outdoors

and *doing* it!

Susie

[Guest guest]

you are absolutely right

Re: letter writing campaign

From: WHIMSY2@...

In a message dated 99-10-01 04:21:34 EDT, you write:

<< I stopped

using metformin because I think I was reacting to it, but not sure, also

have a alchohol problem, which is contradictoryn in the use of met. >>

Probably would be better for your bod if you kept the metformin and stopped

the alcohol...Vicki

[Guest guest]

congrats, seems to be a good list, no one is to overbearing, and no flames

noticed so far, I am a 6 month veteran of lehigh.

Darren T2

dghart@...

A fine is a tax for doing bad,

A tax is a fine for doing good.

Re: letter writing campaign

Darren asks:

<< Hi all, new to this list. I have about 2 weeks worth of messages to read

but

my first question is, is this a low carb diabetes group? >>

Well, Darren, this group is an interesting international group for

diabetics. Thus the name: diabetes_int

Low-carbing is not a requirement to join the group - but diabetics who don't

low-carb must get pretty tired of us who do low-carb always crowing about

our great results. We are hoping to coax other diabetics into trying our

method when they are encouraged by our successes. I've been limiting

carbohydrate intake for nearly two years, and my diabetes and overall health

have improved so much that I would never consider another eating style.

Another listmate, Rob, whom I plan to marry soon, has also adopted

low-carbing and is quite happy with the results.

Susie

(long-term type 2 ... HbA1c's in the high 5's on diet alone)

[Guest guest]

Hi Susie, sorry I am responding so late but I work 12 hour shifts four days

at a time so I only catch up on email on days off. My low carb was gradually

introduced, basically started the low fat diet, but after reading a few

email groups realized carbs were the problem. My dear wife was quite upset

with my changing diet after buying a bunch of low fat cookbooks, but as the

bg's and weight reduced she came on board, thankfully. I have pretty well

reduced my diet to the 6, 12, 12 carb dit, but am wondering how many grams

of protien most of you eat. I am aiming to eat more pro than fat, still hard

to believe a lot of fat is good for you, try to keep it under 30% of daily

calorie intake.

Darren T2

dghart@...

A fine is a tax for doing bad,

A tax is a fine for doing good.

Re: letter writing campaign

Darren wrote:

<< ... i'm down 20 lbs of the 90 i should lose, bg's are getting better,

currently in the 5 to 6 range.(90 to 108 us) I stopped using metformin

because I think I was reacting to it, but not sure, also

have a alchohol problem, which is contradictoryn in the use of met. >>

Good job all around, Darren! There is a surprising amount of alcoholism

among diabetics, and my theory is that, when we eat the typical modern diet

that is high in carbohydrates, our glucose levels shoot too high ... then

they come crashing down (the " rollercoaster ride " ). And when our glucose

levels drop too low (hypoglycemia), our bodies set up a fierce craving for

FAST carbs ... and the sugars in alcohol are processed extremely fast. In

fact, when a person eats and drinks liquor at the same time, the body will

basically " park " the food and grab the liquor.

So evening out glucose levels by low-carbing should help minimize the hypos

that may be contributing to a desire to drink alcohol. But the diabetes

takes years to develop; problem drinking usually takes years to develop. It

becomes an ingrained habit. It's hard to change our daily routines to the

point that we can stop obsessing about the changes and relax. Some

low-carbers who are not diabetic get into trouble because they dive into

Atkins' Induction Phase, e.g., planning to stick with it until the weight is

lost. But often they don't lose every pound they intended to, and they can

get discouraged eventually. It's a different story for diabetics. We know

when we get into this that it's for the rest of our lives. And that is a

major reason why I chose to do moderate-carb, rather than dropping carb

intake to the ketogenic level. But my weight loss has stalled, so I am

thinking of reducing carbs further, to get into fat-burning mode. And I

definitely need to add more exercise. I'm spending my time on my backside,

*talking* about successful diabetes management, instead of getting outdoors

and *doing* it!

Susie

[Guest guest]

Darren inquires:

<< My low carb was gradually introduced, basically started the low fat diet,

but after reading a few

email groups realized carbs were the problem. >>

I spent a good thousand hours reading and posting in the low-carb groups,

plus reading several books, before I made the plunge, Darren. And I have

never looked back ... smartest move I ever made. Now I try to help others

find optimal health, as sort of a " thank you " for the restoration of my own

good health. My doctor (and friend) is dazzled by the improvement.

<< I have pretty well reduced my diet to the 6, 12, 12 carb dit, but am

wondering how many grams

of protien most of you eat. I am aiming to eat more pro than fat, still hard

to believe a lot of fat is good for you, try to keep it under 30% of daily

calorie intake. >>

I'm one of those '60s survivors ... I'm not into keeping notes and measuring

everything ... but the staple of my diet is huge salads - often with low-fat

cheeses, lean meats, eggs and chick peas thrown in. There are other days

when my diet consists mostly of protein. I wouldn't be surprised if protein

were 50% of my intake, on average. My kidneys have actually improved on this

eating style ... because the diabetes has essentially disappeared. As long

as I " eat right, " I seem to be able to hold the diabetes at bay. The next

question is for how many years I and others will be able to do this ... we

are an ongoing human experiment. I'm very glad you have discovered this

approach as well.

You may want to read a book by Dr. Calvin Ezrin. He is very much into

high-protein/low-fat. And " Protein Power " by the Drs. Eades is very good ...

lots of research to back up their thinking ... and search around the

internet for material by Dean Esmay ... this guy really knows his stuff ...

and I believe he has written a book as well. Dean Esmay has done plenty of

research to back up the wisdom of what we are doing here. And Biermann and

Toohey have just released the latest edition of their book for diabetics.

They have been won over to the low-carb approach, and have joined forces

with Rick Mendosa. Rick Mendosa's own web sites are gang-busters ... and now

we have a new joint web site for him and the well-known authors (they have

added a major chapter on low-carbing to their book):

http://www.diabeteswebsite.com

Susie

[Guest guest]

Your wife might want to look at Healthy Exchanges cookbooks. They give the

complete breakdown. Their website is www.healthyexchanges.com and books are

available at http://home.austin.rr.com/beastman/he which is my Amazon.com

bookstore. I get a small percentage at no additional cost to you. The

books are usually 30% off the price on the books.

" Cooking Healthy with a Man in Mind " is my favorite, but I have them all.

We have monthly online chats and a few of us suggested to Jo to write a

cookbook with just low carbs. She added it to potential ideas. The recipes

are better than those printed in Diabetes Forecast.

There are sample recipes on the website. If you have cable TV, she appears

on QVC on a regular basis.

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>Darren wrote:

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><< ... i'm down 20 lbs of the 90 i should lose, bg's are getting better,

>currently in the 5 to 6 range.(90 to 108 us) I stopped using metformin

>because I think I was reacting to it, but not sure, also

>have a alchohol problem, which is contradictoryn in the use of met. >>

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>Good job all around, Darren! There is a surprising amount of alcoholism

>among diabetics, and my theory is that, when we eat the typical modern diet

>that is high in carbohydrates, our glucose levels shoot too high ... then

>they come crashing down (the " rollercoaster ride " ). And when our glucose

>levels drop too low (hypoglycemia), our bodies set up a fierce craving for

>FAST carbs ... and the sugars in alcohol are processed extremely fast. In

>fact, when a person eats and drinks liquor at the same time, the body will

>basically " park " the food and grab the liquor.

>

>So evening out glucose levels by low-carbing should help minimize the hypos

>that may be contributing to a desire to drink alcohol. But the diabetes

>takes years to develop; problem drinking usually takes years to develop. It

>becomes an ingrained habit. It's hard to change our daily routines to the

>point that we can stop obsessing about the changes and relax. Some

>low-carbers who are not diabetic get into trouble because they dive into

>Atkins' Induction Phase, e.g., planning to stick with it until the weight

is

>lost. But often they don't lose every pound they intended to, and they can

>get discouraged eventually. It's a different story for diabetics. We know

>when we get into this that it's for the rest of our lives. And that is a

>major reason why I chose to do moderate-carb, rather than dropping carb

>intake to the ketogenic level. But my weight loss has stalled, so I am

>thinking of reducing carbs further, to get into fat-burning mode. And I

>definitely need to add more exercise. I'm spending my time on my backside,

>*talking* about successful diabetes management, instead of getting outdoors

>and *doing* it!

>

>Susie

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