Re: weaning off prednisone, cortef, etc

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If your adrenals ahve healed the weaning is painless. It has been

comletely for me THIS time. I tried a couple pther times and got the

shakes and nausea immediately. I was not ready to wean then as my

adrenals needed more time to rebuild.

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So how did you 'rebuild' them??

Thank you,

Vicki

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> If your adrenals ahve healed the weaning is painless. It has been

> comletely for me THIS time. I tried a couple pther times and got the

> shakes and nausea immediately. I was not ready to wean then as my

> adrenals needed more time to rebuild.

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By staying on corticosteroids, what am I missing here??

Please inform me as I completely don't understand.

Thank you,

Vicki

T wrote:

> If your adrenals ahve healed the weaning is painless. It has been

> comletely for me THIS time. I tried a couple pther times and got the

> shakes and nausea immediately. I was not ready to wean then as my

> adrenals needed more time to rebuild.

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>>So how did you 'rebuild' them??<<

I have no boyfriend to stress me, I moved away from my family, I have my own

business that is thriving so no boss to stress me, and I was on HC for 18 months

all together oin sufficient doses to thoproughly rest my adrenals. In other

words they haven't had to do CRAP for a year and a half! Lazy things! LOL I wish

I could have a vacation for that long and someone take good care of me! Anyway,

I take lots of vitamin C and B trio sublinguals, and CO Q 10, and TONS of sea

salt. I eat mostly organic now, and have cut most the bad stuff out of my diet,

except coffee. I am in bed at 10PM almost every night and up at 6AM so I am

gettign the best part of 8 hours solid sleep every night.

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The purpose of GOING on steroids when you have adrenal fatigue is to

rest and allow your adrenals time to heal. Hypothyroidism really wreaks

havoc with them as well as making them hypo too. But it is the stresses

of them trying to keep your metabolism going that really wears them out

and why we have such severe fatigue from them not working correctly.

Depending on how stressed your adrenals were and the length of time they

have been struggling will determine the length of time you need to be on

adrenal support. I hear from 2 months to 2 years. So my 18 months is not

out of line at all. But when they are sufficiently rested MOST the time

they can start producing their own cortisol again. But if they are still

fatigued they will not make enough and you will have a hard PAINFUL time

weaning off HC.

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Do you exercise regularly?

Vicki

wrote:

> >>So how did you 'rebuild' them??<<

>

> I have no boyfriend to stress me, I moved away from my family, I have

> my own business that is thriving so no boss to stress me, and I was on

> HC for 18 months all together oin sufficient doses to thoproughly rest

> my adrenals. In other words they haven't had to do CRAP for a year and

> a half! Lazy things! LOL I wish I could have a vacation for that long

> and someone take good care of me! Anyway, I take lots of vitamin C and

> B trio sublinguals, and CO Q 10, and TONS of sea salt. I eat mostly

> organic now, and have cut most the bad stuff out of my diet, except

> coffee. I am in bed at 10PM almost every night and up at 6AM so I am

> gettign the best part of 8 hours solid sleep every night.

>

>

>

>

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>>Do you exercise regularly?<<

I wrestle dogs for a living.. That's exercise enough for me...

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That should qualify for an upper body workout!!!

Linn

> >>Do you exercise regularly?<<

>

> I wrestle dogs for a living.. That's exercise enough for me...

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>>That should qualify for an upper body workout!!!<<

YUP! Been doing this for 38 years, that's why I still don't need a bra at 51

years old and my shoulders and upper arms look like they should be on a man! LOL

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Actually the purpose for me to go on steroids was to stop the ulcerative

colitis from carrying on. It worked. But the prednisone suppressed my

adrenals. This is where I am confused. How can I wake them up and heal

them by being on prednisone/cortef which is what started it in the first

place???

Do you now see where I am coming from??

Thank you

Vicki

wrote:

> The purpose of GOING on steroids when you have adrenal fatigue is to

> rest and allow your adrenals time to heal. Hypothyroidism really wreaks

> havoc with them as well as making them hypo too. But it is the stresses

> of them trying to keep your metabolism going that really wears them out

> and why we have such severe fatigue from them not working correctly.

> Depending on how stressed your adrenals were and the length of time they

> have been struggling will determine the length of time you need to be on

> adrenal support. I hear from 2 months to 2 years. So my 18 months is not

> out of line at all. But when they are sufficiently rested MOST the time

> they can start producing their own cortisol again. But if they are still

> fatigued they will not make enough and you will have a hard PAINFUL time

> weaning off HC.

>

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[Guest guest]

>>Actually the purpose for me to go on steroids was to stop the ulcerative

colitis from carrying on. It worked. But the prednisone suppressed my

adrenals. This is where I am confused. How can I wake them up and heal

them by being on prednisone/cortef which is what started it in the first

place???

Do you now see where I am coming from??<<

OK so you do not have adrenal fatigue. You have dependency on steroids.

DIFFERENT animal! You just need to SLOWLY taper off them, and depending on how

long and how much steroids you may only be able to taper so far. This is what we

worry so much about, permananet suppression of the HPA axis. What doses were you

on and for how long?

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>

> OK so you do not have adrenal fatigue. You have dependency on steroids.

DIFFERENT

animal!

Why is this different. I'm fairly certain that my adrenals have shut down since

taking HC/

pred. for adrenal fatigue.

Robin

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>>Why is this different. I'm fairly certain that my adrenals have shut down

since taking HC/

pred. for adrenal fatigue<<

Because of the dosages. Usually the dosages to stop inflammationin the body are

very high, alot higher than what we take for adrenal fatigue. And if it is for

longer than a few ,months it can cause permanent suppression. This si why I

asked her how much she was taking and for how long.

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So a replacement dose is considered 'safe' in regards to the possibility of

reducing the

dose to zero.

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>>So a replacement dose is considered 'safe' in regards to the possibility of

reducing the <<

Up to a 20MG a day dose is considered very safe, but some doctors say up to

30MG. But beyond 20MG I think it is your own decision. Now I took 30MG for 10

months and have not experienced any damage to my HPA axis. I slept like a baby

last night and woke feeling good this morning, and I have only taken 5MG

today!!! I did get a feeling of shakiness starting around the time I would have

taken the other 5MG I took the last week, but it passed quickly and I feel

fairly certain I will now be able to stay at 5MG . SOON TO BE OFF!

dose to zero.

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I have been on it for 8 years and it has NOT caused permanent

suppression. My 8 am cortisol shows they are stll working but sluggishly.

Adrenals do start to shut down, by the way, as soon as you give your

body exactly what they already produce.They shrink. They have the

ability to start up again but sometimes not.

As for me, they are barely doing what they are supposed to do so I

supplement with 30mg/day but the goal is to get off asap as the h/c is

further supressing the adrenals...however I need the h/c to survive.

So I am going to go very slowly as this is best for me.

I also take my last dose at 4pm and the next does to follow @ 10 am.

so the 18hrs I am fine and the adrenals are supposed to recognise this

absence of h/c and 'wake-up' slowly.

Vicki

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wrote:

>

> >>Why is this different. I'm fairly certain that my adrenals have

shut down since taking HC/

> pred. for adrenal fatigue<<

>

> Because of the dosages. Usually the dosages to stop inflammationin

the body are very high, alot higher than what we take for adrenal

fatigue. And if it is for longer than a few ,months it can cause

permanent suppression. This si why I asked her how much she was taking

and for how long.

>

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>

> I have been on it for 8 years and it has NOT caused permanent

> suppression. My 8 am cortisol shows they are stll working but sluggishly.

Vicki, when I go to the endo my cortisol level is usually 3 in the am while

taking HC. Does

that indicate that my adrenals are still working?

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Robin, I wish I could tell you but I do not know. I forget the numbers.

For me, I just wanted to know if they are still working. The doc just

said they ARE working but minimally.

You have to ask your doc what normal is or if they are in the normal or

minimal range.

ASK questions till he is blue in the face! It is your body and this is

important.

Vicki

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> You have to ask your doc what normal is or if they are in the normal or

> minimal range.

> ASK questions till he is blue in the face! It is your body and this is

> important.

That requires being of sound body and mind...I'm not there yet. lol Seriously

though, they

did a lot of damage (the docs) so I don't have any trust or respect. I could

ask them but I

wouldn't believe their answer.