Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except on Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on it, how is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often? Thanks Check Nutrition at: Nutrition.teach-nology.com Ortiz, RD nrord@... Check these food sayings: http://lancaster.unl.edu/food/ftsep06.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the thread. I liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until it died out. It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of practice And to learn a bit more about the individuals. A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only ADA members. And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA Legislative and Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. Good news about the association. But I have not done that because it is really for members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues. I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented and it served its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to follow one issue and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better than the HOD listserv we had. I do not think any member should be told things that do not encourage independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be upset. One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for us to send an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made up of members to help find solutions for problems. The email is _Issuesmgmt@..._ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@...) It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have the alternative one. Pat Pat Raimondi MS, RD The Milestone Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Well, I guess I have my answer - I won't bother except to review my weekly email :-) Check Nutrition at: Nutrition.teach-nology.com Ortiz, RD nrord@... Check these food sayings: http://lancaster.unl.edu/food/ftsep06.shtml Re: Community Listserve It is interesting that when we do hear from the ADA team, it is via a post or forward to rd-usa@yahoogroups or one of the DPG group lists. I am enrolled in the Diet Community but I haven't found anything yet to engage me. I get the once weekly post, which I read but nothing yet entices me to log in. Does anybody know (care) if passwords expire? Raphaela -- In rd-usa , " ne Holden, MS, RD " wrote: > > > > Ortiz, R.D. wrote: > > I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except on Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on it, how is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often? > > Thanks > > I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new posts > daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using this > form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful', to > ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs means > reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or > surveys. Success is all in how you define it..... > - ne > -- > ne Holden, MS, RD > " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/ > " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease " > " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy " > http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 As many of you know, I used to be an avid user of the dietetic list serve. I dropped out a couple of months ago. Too cumbersome and the info by and large useless. Of course I have never been contacted by the ADA. Shortly before I dropped out I had a telephone discussion with the woman in charge (prefer to forget her name). She essentially old me I should not be independent and think for myself but should be doing for the better of the group. Her quote: " I should be more like other members " . You can imagine how well that went over! Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS, CDN _____ From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Ortiz, R.D. Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:47 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Re: Community Listserve Well, I guess I have my answer - I won't bother except to review my weekly email :-) Check Nutrition at: Nutrition.teach-nology.com Ortiz, RD nrordadelphia (DOT) <mailto:nrord%40adelphia.net> net Check these food sayings: http://lancaster. <http://lancaster.unl.edu/food/ftsep06.shtml> unl.edu/food/ftsep06.shtml Re: Community Listserve It is interesting that when we do hear from the ADA team, it is via a post or forward to rd-usa@yahoogroups or one of the DPG group lists. I am enrolled in the Diet Community but I haven't found anything yet to engage me. I get the once weekly post, which I read but nothing yet entices me to log in. Does anybody know (care) if passwords expire? Raphaela -- In rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> com, " ne Holden, MS, RD " wrote: > > > > Ortiz, R.D. wrote: > > I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except on Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on it, how is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often? > > Thanks > > I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new posts > daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using this > form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful', to > ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs means > reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or > surveys. Success is all in how you define it..... > - ne > -- > ne Holden, MS, RD > " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinso <http://www.parkinson.org/> n.org/ > " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease " > " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy " > http://www.nutritio <http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/> nucanlivewith.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 ne, I've got news for everyone that doubts the definition of success. This listserve replaced the old one in a very short time, and here we are communicating freely AND without cesnorship. This is the definition of success. It is interesting that the dietetics foodservice listserve is still active (or inactive? there are very few messages posed there each month) and still exists on-line. I guarantee it was never, and will not in the future, be a challenge due to the nature of the participants; go in, as a question,get out - no opinions, no chatter. Digna Re: Community Listserve > > > Ortiz, R.D. wrote: >> I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except on >> Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on it, how >> is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often? >> Thanks > > I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new posts > daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using this > form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful', to > ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs means > reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or > surveys. Success is all in how you define it..... > - ne > -- > ne Holden, MS, RD > " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/ > " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease " > " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy " > http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 To answer your question - NO!! I think we all share the same opinions, which we voiced and were unheard, so here we are, we found a perfect substitute, but better. Digna Re: Community Listserve > It is interesting that when we do hear from the ADA team, it is via a > post or forward to rd-usa@yahoogroups or one of the DPG group lists. > I am enrolled in the Diet Community but I haven't found anything yet > to engage me. I get the once weekly post, which I read but nothing > yet entices me to log in. Does anybody know (care) if passwords > expire? Raphaela > > -- In rd-usa , " ne Holden, MS, RD " > wrote: >> >> >> >> Ortiz, R.D. wrote: >> > I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except > on Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on > it, how is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often? >> > Thanks >> >> I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new > posts >> daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using > this >> form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful', > to >> ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs > means >> reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or >> surveys. Success is all in how you define it..... >> - ne >> -- >> ne Holden, MS, RD >> " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/ >> " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease " >> " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy " >> http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/ >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 , You ARE more like other members. You're like us, independent thinkers, adventurers, entrepeneurs, and a challenge to beurocracies that try to keep us down. Digna Re: Community Listserve > > It is interesting that when we do hear from the ADA team, it is via a > post or forward to rd-usa@yahoogroups or one of the DPG group lists. > I am enrolled in the Diet Community but I haven't found anything yet > to engage me. I get the once weekly post, which I read but nothing > yet entices me to log in. Does anybody know (care) if passwords > expire? Raphaela > > -- In rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> com, > " ne > Holden, MS, RD " > wrote: >> >> >> >> Ortiz, R.D. wrote: >> > I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except > on Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on > it, how is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often? >> > Thanks >> >> I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new > posts >> daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using > this >> form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful', > to >> ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs > means >> reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or >> surveys. Success is all in how you define it..... >> - ne >> -- >> ne Holden, MS, RD >> " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinso > <http://www.parkinson.org/> n.org/ >> " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease " >> " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy " >> http://www.nutritio <http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/> > nucanlivewith.com/ >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 and if you do chatter, other participants tell you shut up. I couldn't believe it. Digna Cassens wrote: ne, I've got news for everyone that doubts the definition of success. This listserve replaced the old one in a very short time, and here we are communicating freely AND without cesnorship. This is the definition of success. It is interesting that the dietetics foodservice listserve is still active (or inactive? there are very few messages posed there each month) and still exists on-line. I guarantee it was never, and will not in the future, be a challenge due to the nature of the participants; go in, as a question,get out - no opinions, no chatter. Digna Re: Community Listserve > > > Ortiz, R.D. wrote: >> I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except on >> Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on it, how >> is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often? >> Thanks > > I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new posts > daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using this > form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful', to > ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs means > reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or > surveys. Success is all in how you define it..... > - ne > -- > ne Holden, MS, RD > " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/ > " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease " > " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy " > http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Pat, Thanks for the idea. I think it is a good suggestion to email the issues managment group, since emailing ADA directly, including the Exec Director, was not effective. I'm not certain if it's worth the effort, since we already found another method to voice our opinions and receive advice from our peer group. I find it beneficial that many non-members can now participate in this listserve whereas before they could not. Digna Cassens, MHA, RD http://groups.msn.com/RDForum Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis Re: Re: Community Listserve >I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the thread. >I > liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until it died > out. > It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of practice And > to > learn a bit more about the individuals. > > A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only ADA > members. > And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA Legislative > and > Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. Good news > about the association. But I have not done that because it is really for > members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues. > > I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented and it > served > its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to follow one > issue > and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better than the > HOD > listserv we had. > > I do not think any member should be told things that do not encourage > independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be upset. > > One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for us to > send > an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made up of > members to help find solutions for problems. The email is > _Issuesmgmt@..._ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@...) > > It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have the > alternative one. > > Pat > > Pat Raimondi MS, RD > The Milestone Group > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 I find that kind of harsh, Kathy, as well as very rude. This is a free speech country, and as such, even chatter is perfectly fine. D Re: Community Listserve > > > Ortiz, R.D. wrote: >> I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except on >> Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on it, how >> is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often? >> Thanks > > I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new posts > daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using this > form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful', to > ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs means > reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or > surveys. Success is all in how you define it..... > - ne > -- > ne Holden, MS, RD > " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/ > " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease " > " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy " > http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 I agree that our profession loses some ability to lobby and use strategy to move legislation if we can not be sure communication is secure between members. To strategize effectively, it is important to target members who will act and not 'tip off' potential opposition to the legislative cause. I hope the ADA team will reconsider their position regarding the great member service the Dietitecs-l represented, as well as, the communications tool for the ADA team to reach us card carrying members, nearly instantly. Best, Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN > > I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the thread. I > liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until it died out. > It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of practice And to > learn a bit more about the individuals. > > A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only ADA members. > And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA Legislative and > Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. Good news > about the association. But I have not done that because it is really for > members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues. > > I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented and it served > its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to follow one issue > and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better than the HOD > listserv we had. > > I do not think any member should be told things that do not encourage > independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be upset. > > One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for us to send > an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made up of > members to help find solutions for problems. The email is > _Issuesmgmt@..._ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@...) > > It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have the > alternative one. > > Pat > > Pat Raimondi MS, RD > The Milestone Group > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Thanks so much for that wonderful response - truly gratifying. _____ From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Digna Cassens Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 10:49 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Re: Community Listserve , You ARE more like other members. You're like us, independent thinkers, adventurers, entrepeneurs, and a challenge to beurocracies that try to keep us down. Digna Re: Community Listserve > > It is interesting that when we do hear from the ADA team, it is via a > post or forward to rd-usa@yahoogroups or one of the DPG group lists. > I am enrolled in the Diet Community but I haven't found anything yet > to engage me. I get the once weekly post, which I read but nothing > yet entices me to log in. Does anybody know (care) if passwords > expire? Raphaela > > -- In rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> com, > " ne > Holden, MS, RD " > wrote: >> >> >> >> Ortiz, R.D. wrote: >> > I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except > on Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on > it, how is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often? >> > Thanks >> >> I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new > posts >> daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using > this >> form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful', > to >> ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs > means >> reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or >> surveys. Success is all in how you define it..... >> - ne >> -- >> ne Holden, MS, RD >> " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinso > <http://www.parkinso <http://www.parkinson.org/> n.org/> n.org/ >> " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease " >> " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy " >> http://www.nutritio <http://www.nutritio <http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/> nucanlivewith.com/> > nucanlivewith.com/ >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Rapahela, Although I agree with you wholeheartedly, I also believe in reaching out to non-members who may not realize the benfits of joining ADA. ADA would be better served by allowing some participation, even if limited, by non-members who are registered, and obviously I would not consider them the enemy, but part of the choir. Digna Cassens, MHA, RD http://groups.msn.com/RDForum Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis Re: Community Listserve >I agree that our profession loses some ability to lobby and use > strategy to move legislation if we can not be sure communication is > secure between members. To strategize effectively, it is important to > target members who will act and not 'tip off' potential opposition to > the legislative cause. I hope the ADA team will reconsider their > position regarding the great member service the Dietitecs-l > represented, as well as, the communications tool for the ADA team to > reach us card carrying members, nearly instantly. > Best, Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN > > >> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the > thread. I >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until it > died out. >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of > practice And to >> learn a bit more about the individuals. >> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only ADA > members. >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA > Legislative and >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. > Good news >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is > really for >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues. >> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented and > it served >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to follow > one issue >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better > than the HOD >> listserv we had. >> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not > encourage >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be > upset. >> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for us > to send >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made > up of >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is >> _Issuesmgmt@..._ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@...) >> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have the >> alternative one. >> >> Pat >> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD >> The Milestone Group >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Digna, You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have only received their form letter of response. Raphaela > >> > >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the > > thread. I > >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until it > > died out. > >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of > > practice And to > >> learn a bit more about the individuals. > >> > >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only ADA > > members. > >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA > > Legislative and > >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. > > Good news > >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is > > really for > >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues. > >> > >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented and > > it served > >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to follow > > one issue > >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better > > than the HOD > >> listserv we had. > >> > >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not > > encourage > >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be > > upset. > >> > >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for us > > to send > >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made > > up of > >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is > >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@) > >> > >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have the > >> alternative one. > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD > >> The Milestone Group > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 I don't think they'll listen, and got tired of receiving the form letters bc they'd started to make me mad. I wonder if we launched another letter writing campaign if they'd listen this time? I doubt it, but letters take llittle time to write and email. Digna Re: Community Listserve > Digna, > You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still > be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the > ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group > expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have > only received their form letter of response. Raphaela > > >> >> >> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the >> > thread. I >> >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until > it >> > died out. >> >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of >> > practice And to >> >> learn a bit more about the individuals. >> >> >> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only > ADA >> > members. >> >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA >> > Legislative and >> >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. >> > Good news >> >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is >> > really for >> >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues. >> >> >> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented > and >> > it served >> >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to > follow >> > one issue >> >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better >> > than the HOD >> >> listserv we had. >> >> >> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not >> > encourage >> >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be >> > upset. >> >> >> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for > us >> > to send >> >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made >> > up of >> >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is >> >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@) >> >> >> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have > the >> >> alternative one. >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD >> >> The Milestone Group >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 I haven't accessed the community listserv the first time. I don't have time, it's too cumbersome and doesn't meet my needs. The dietetics-l listserv was great. I won't join ADA next year. r_rozansk wrote: I agree that our profession loses some ability to lobby and use strategy to move legislation if we can not be sure communication is secure between members. To strategize effectively, it is important to target members who will act and not 'tip off' potential opposition to the legislative cause. I hope the ADA team will reconsider their position regarding the great member service the Dietitecs-l represented, as well as, the communications tool for the ADA team to reach us card carrying members, nearly instantly. Best, Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN > > I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the thread. I > liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until it died out. > It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of practice And to > learn a bit more about the individuals. > > A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only ADA members. > And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA Legislative and > Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. Good news > about the association. But I have not done that because it is really for > members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues. > > I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented and it served > its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to follow one issue > and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better than the HOD > listserv we had. > > I do not think any member should be told things that do not encourage > independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be upset. > > One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for us to send > an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made up of > members to help find solutions for problems. The email is > _Issuesmgmt@..._ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@...) > > It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have the > alternative one. > > Pat > > Pat Raimondi MS, RD > The Milestone Group > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 I agreed that individualization was needed so I actually took the time and effort to call to discuss the situation. I was told that the couple of thousand dietitians who used the list serve regularly were irrelevant. Those of us who found the list serve of great value needed to join with the needs, as assessed by the ADA, of all the members. It is only the benefit of the mass that is important. I was told that I should adjust my needs to that of the whole. And so I am here on rd-usa. Mazarin _____ From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Digna Cassens Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:30 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Re: Community Listserve I don't think they'll listen, and got tired of receiving the form letters bc they'd started to make me mad. I wonder if we launched another letter writing campaign if they'd listen this time? I doubt it, but letters take llittle time to write and email. Digna Re: Community Listserve > Digna, > You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still > be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the > ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group > expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have > only received their form letter of response. Raphaela > > >> >> >> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the >> > thread. I >> >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until > it >> > died out. >> >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of >> > practice And to >> >> learn a bit more about the individuals. >> >> >> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only > ADA >> > members. >> >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA >> > Legislative and >> >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. >> > Good news >> >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is >> > really for >> >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues. >> >> >> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented > and >> > it served >> >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to > follow >> > one issue >> >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better >> > than the HOD >> >> listserv we had. >> >> >> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not >> > encourage >> >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be >> > upset. >> >> >> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for > us >> > to send >> >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made >> > up of >> >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is >> >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@) >> >> >> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have > the >> >> alternative one. >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD >> >> The Milestone Group >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 OK, , now that makes perfect sense to me. Let's see ... - 1984 - of course, it all started there, don't you think? - Farhenheit 451, well, our books have not been burned yet, and we haven't been labotomized, at least, not most of us, I believe, - Carl Marx, he had the right idea, did'nt he? if it worked for him is should work for us too, - Lenin, he's a good one to mention also, - Mao Zedong is another great one that someone in ADA must have read, and applied to the beurocracy, - Castro? well, he's still around, but aging rapidly, so why not blame him too for some of this craziness? Look at how prosperous Cuba has become in the last 45 years Oh, and let's not forget that although the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the largest political party, it does pride itself on being very exclusive since only 5% of the chinese population belong to it, yet, everyone in the country has to follow the rules and laws imposed on them for the good of the majority. That must be the way to do it. Now I understand the philosophy. What I can't understand for the life of me is why and how an organization can survive IN THIS COUNTRY! with that same communistic, dictatorial attitude and philosphy. We must all be crazy, because surely, it cannot be them, they're infallible. Digna Re: Community Listserve > >> Digna, >> You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still >> be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the >> ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group >> expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have >> only received their form letter of response. Raphaela >> >> >>> >> >>> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the >>> > thread. I >>> >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until >> it >>> > died out. >>> >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of >>> > practice And to >>> >> learn a bit more about the individuals. >>> >> >>> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only >> ADA >>> > members. >>> >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA >>> > Legislative and >>> >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. >>> > Good news >>> >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is >>> > really for >>> >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues. >>> >> >>> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented >> and >>> > it served >>> >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to >> follow >>> > one issue >>> >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better >>> > than the HOD >>> >> listserv we had. >>> >> >>> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not >>> > encourage >>> >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be >>> > upset. >>> >> >>> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for >> us >>> > to send >>> >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made >>> > up of >>> >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is >>> >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@) >>> >> >>> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have >> the >>> >> alternative one. >>> >> >>> >> Pat >>> >> >>> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD >>> >> The Milestone Group >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 So typical of ADA. Re: Community Listserve > Digna, > You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still > be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the > ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group > expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have > only received their form letter of response. Raphaela > > >> >> >> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the >> > thread. I >> >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until > it >> > died out. >> >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of >> > practice And to >> >> learn a bit more about the individuals. >> >> >> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only > ADA >> > members. >> >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA >> > Legislative and >> >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. >> > Good news >> >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is >> > really for >> >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues. >> >> >> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented > and >> > it served >> >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to > follow >> > one issue >> >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better >> > than the HOD >> >> listserv we had. >> >> >> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not >> > encourage >> >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be >> > upset. >> >> >> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for > us >> > to send >> >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made >> > up of >> >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is >> >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@) >> >> >> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have > the >> >> alternative one. >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD >> >> The Milestone Group >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 I have stopped trying to defend the ADA a long time ago. I'm glad we have rd-usa. I find the information valuble and feel all of you are friends and colleages. Merav Levi- wrote: So typical of ADA. Re: Community Listserve > Digna, > You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still > be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the > ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group > expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have > only received their form letter of response. Raphaela > > >> >> >> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the >> > thread. I >> >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until > it >> > died out. >> >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of >> > practice And to >> >> learn a bit more about the individuals. >> >> >> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only > ADA >> > members. >> >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA >> > Legislative and >> >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. >> > Good news >> >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is >> > really for >> >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues. >> >> >> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented > and >> > it served >> >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to > follow >> > one issue >> >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better >> > than the HOD >> >> listserv we had. >> >> >> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not >> > encourage >> >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be >> > upset. >> >> >> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for > us >> > to send >> >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made >> > up of >> >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is >> >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@) >> >> >> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have > the >> >> alternative one. >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD >> >> The Milestone Group >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 I love your humor and logic. It's all so clear - they are always right!!! p.s. Thank goodness we can laugh about it. _____ From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Digna Cassens Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 11:22 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Re: Community Listserve OK, , now that makes perfect sense to me. Let's see ... - 1984 - of course, it all started there, don't you think? - Farhenheit 451, well, our books have not been burned yet, and we haven't been labotomized, at least, not most of us, I believe, - Carl Marx, he had the right idea, did'nt he? if it worked for him is should work for us too, - Lenin, he's a good one to mention also, - Mao Zedong is another great one that someone in ADA must have read, and applied to the beurocracy, - Castro? well, he's still around, but aging rapidly, so why not blame him too for some of this craziness? Look at how prosperous Cuba has become in the last 45 years Oh, and let's not forget that although the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the largest political party, it does pride itself on being very exclusive since only 5% of the chinese population belong to it, yet, everyone in the country has to follow the rules and laws imposed on them for the good of the majority. That must be the way to do it. Now I understand the philosophy. What I can't understand for the life of me is why and how an organization can survive IN THIS COUNTRY! with that same communistic, dictatorial attitude and philosphy. We must all be crazy, because surely, it cannot be them, they're infallible. Digna Re: Community Listserve > >> Digna, >> You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still >> be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the >> ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group >> expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have >> only received their form letter of response. Raphaela >> >> >>> >> >>> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the >>> > thread. I >>> >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until >> it >>> > died out. >>> >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of >>> > practice And to >>> >> learn a bit more about the individuals. >>> >> >>> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only >> ADA >>> > members. >>> >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA >>> > Legislative and >>> >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. >>> > Good news >>> >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is >>> > really for >>> >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues. >>> >> >>> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented >> and >>> > it served >>> >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to >> follow >>> > one issue >>> >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better >>> > than the HOD >>> >> listserv we had. >>> >> >>> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not >>> > encourage >>> >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be >>> > upset. >>> >> >>> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for >> us >>> > to send >>> >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made >>> > up of >>> >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is >>> >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@) >>> >> >>> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have >> the >>> >> alternative one. >>> >> >>> >> Pat >>> >> >>> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD >>> >> The Milestone Group >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 I was referring to a response I received from the foodservice list serve. I think Jan P and I were " chattering " about the lack of traffice. And multiple post were made about our conversation asking us to stop. I really felt like saying something more colorful than use the delete button. {grin} . Digna Cassens wrote: I find that kind of harsh, Kathy, as well as very rude. This is a free speech country, and as such, even chatter is perfectly fine. D Re: Community Listserve > > > Ortiz, R.D. wrote: >> I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except on >> Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on it, how >> is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often? >> Thanks > > I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new posts > daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using this > form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful', to > ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs means > reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or > surveys. Success is all in how you define it..... > - ne > -- > ne Holden, MS, RD > " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/ > " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease " > " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy " > http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Interesting. I have only been to the " community " a handful of times. I just don't feel like going through all of the trouble to log into another site, etc etc etc. I feel the same about DPG sites where the emails don't come directly to me. I find it hard to believe that 2000 people are one the community...but maybe they are like those of us who don't go to the site. Collier, RD Shore Memorial Hospital 9507 Hospital Avenue PO Box 17 Nassawadox, VA 23413 fax To eat is a necessity, but to eat intelligently is an art. -LaRoche foucauld Re: Community Listserve Collier wrote: > I just wonder how many of us were on the listserv before it changed, and how many are on the new one? I wonder if they will consider this. Hmmm... > At one time, ADA stated there were around 12K on dietetics-l; however, before it went to Community, they stated there were only 2000. I've really wondered about that. There are close to 2000 on the Community now, and around 600 on rd-usa. Maybe we could start " recruiting " from the various state and DPG lists! - ne -- ne Holden, MS, RD " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinso <http://www.parkinson.org/> n.org/ " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease " " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy " http://www.nutritio <http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/> nucanlivewith.com/ This e-mail and any attachments may be confidential or legally privileged. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, immediately destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies. You are prohibited from retaining, distributing, or disclosing any information contained herein. Please inform us of the erroneous delivery by return e-mail. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Thank you for your cooperation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Has anyone " advertised " on the Community listserve re: this listserve? Check Nutrition at: Nutrition.teach-nology.com Ortiz, RD nrord@... Check these food sayings: http://lancaster.unl.edu/food/ftsep06.shtml Re: Community Listserve Collier wrote: > I just wonder how many of us were on the listserv before it changed, and how many are on the new one? I wonder if they will consider this. Hmmm... > At one time, ADA stated there were around 12K on dietetics-l; however, before it went to Community, they stated there were only 2000. I've really wondered about that. There are close to 2000 on the Community now, and around 600 on rd-usa. Maybe we could start " recruiting " from the various state and DPG lists! - ne -- ne Holden, MS, RD " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/ " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease " " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy " http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 I wonder if it would be allowed. Collier, RD Shore Memorial Hospital 9507 Hospital Avenue PO Box 17 Nassawadox, VA 23413 fax To eat is a necessity, but to eat intelligently is an art. -LaRoche foucauld Re: Community Listserve Has anyone " advertised " on the Community listserve re: this listserve? Check Nutrition at: Nutrition.teach-nology.com Ortiz, RD nrordadelphia (DOT) <mailto:nrord%40adelphia.net> net Check these food sayings: http://lancaster. <http://lancaster.unl.edu/food/ftsep06.shtml> unl.edu/food/ftsep06.shtml Re: Community Listserve Collier wrote: > I just wonder how many of us were on the listserv before it changed, and how many are on the new one? I wonder if they will consider this. Hmmm... > At one time, ADA stated there were around 12K on dietetics-l; however, before it went to Community, they stated there were only 2000. I've really wondered about that. There are close to 2000 on the Community now, and around 600 on rd-usa. Maybe we could start " recruiting " from the various state and DPG lists! - ne -- ne Holden, MS, RD " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinso <http://www.parkinson.org/> n.org/ " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease " " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy " http://www.nutritio <http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/> nucanlivewith.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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