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I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except on Saturday

when they send me an email - for those who have been on it, how is the traffic?

Is it growing enough to check in more often?

Thanks

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I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the thread. I

liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until it died out.

It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of practice And to

learn a bit more about the individuals.

A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only ADA members.

And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA Legislative and

Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. Good news

about the association. But I have not done that because it is really for

members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues.

I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented and it served

its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to follow one issue

and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better than the HOD

listserv we had.

I do not think any member should be told things that do not encourage

independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be upset.

One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for us to send

an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made up of

members to help find solutions for problems. The email is

_Issuesmgmt@..._ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@...)

It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have the

alternative one.

Pat

Pat Raimondi MS, RD

The Milestone Group

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Well, I guess I have my answer - I won't bother except to review my weekly

email :-)

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Ortiz, RD

nrord@...

Check these food sayings:

http://lancaster.unl.edu/food/ftsep06.shtml

Re: Community Listserve

It is interesting that when we do hear from the ADA team, it is via a

post or forward to rd-usa@yahoogroups or one of the DPG group lists.

I am enrolled in the Diet Community but I haven't found anything yet

to engage me. I get the once weekly post, which I read but nothing

yet entices me to log in. Does anybody know (care) if passwords

expire? Raphaela

-- In rd-usa , " ne Holden, MS, RD "

wrote:

>

>

>

> Ortiz, R.D. wrote:

> > I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except

on Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on

it, how is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often?

> > Thanks

>

> I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new

posts

> daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using

this

> form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful',

to

> ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs

means

> reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or

> surveys. Success is all in how you define it.....

> - ne

> --

> ne Holden, MS, RD

> " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/

> " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease "

> " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy "

> http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/

>

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As many of you know, I used to be an avid user of the dietetic list serve.

I dropped out a couple of months ago. Too cumbersome and the info by and

large useless. Of course I have never been contacted by the ADA. Shortly

before I dropped out I had a telephone discussion with the woman in charge

(prefer to forget her name). She essentially old me I should not be

independent and think for myself but should be doing for the better of the

group. Her quote: " I should be more like other members " . You can imagine

how well that went over!

Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS, CDN

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Ortiz, R.D.

Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:47 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Re: Community Listserve

Well, I guess I have my answer - I won't bother except to review my weekly

email :-)

Check Nutrition at:

Nutrition.teach-nology.com

Ortiz, RD

nrordadelphia (DOT) <mailto:nrord%40adelphia.net> net

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Re: Community Listserve

It is interesting that when we do hear from the ADA team, it is via a

post or forward to rd-usa@yahoogroups or one of the DPG group lists.

I am enrolled in the Diet Community but I haven't found anything yet

to engage me. I get the once weekly post, which I read but nothing

yet entices me to log in. Does anybody know (care) if passwords

expire? Raphaela

-- In rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> com, " ne

Holden, MS, RD "

wrote:

>

>

>

> Ortiz, R.D. wrote:

> > I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except

on Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on

it, how is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often?

> > Thanks

>

> I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new

posts

> daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using

this

> form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful',

to

> ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs

means

> reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or

> surveys. Success is all in how you define it.....

> - ne

> --

> ne Holden, MS, RD

> " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinso

<http://www.parkinson.org/> n.org/

> " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease "

> " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy "

> http://www.nutritio <http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/>

nucanlivewith.com/

>

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ne,

I've got news for everyone that doubts the definition of success. This

listserve replaced the old one in a very short time, and here we are

communicating freely AND without cesnorship. This is the definition of

success.

It is interesting that the dietetics foodservice listserve is still active

(or inactive? there are very few messages posed there each month) and

still exists on-line. I guarantee it was never, and will not in the future,

be a challenge due to the nature of the participants; go in, as a

question,get out - no opinions, no chatter.

Digna

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>

>

> Ortiz, R.D. wrote:

>> I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except on

>> Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on it, how

>> is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often?

>> Thanks

>

> I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new posts

> daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using this

> form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful', to

> ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs means

> reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or

> surveys. Success is all in how you define it.....

> - ne

> --

> ne Holden, MS, RD

> " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/

> " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease "

> " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy "

> http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/

>

>

>

>

>

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To answer your question - NO!! I think we all share the same opinions,

which we voiced and were unheard, so here we are, we found a perfect

substitute, but better.

Digna

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> It is interesting that when we do hear from the ADA team, it is via a

> post or forward to rd-usa@yahoogroups or one of the DPG group lists.

> I am enrolled in the Diet Community but I haven't found anything yet

> to engage me. I get the once weekly post, which I read but nothing

> yet entices me to log in. Does anybody know (care) if passwords

> expire? Raphaela

>

> -- In rd-usa , " ne Holden, MS, RD "

> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> Ortiz, R.D. wrote:

>> > I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except

> on Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on

> it, how is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often?

>> > Thanks

>>

>> I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new

> posts

>> daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using

> this

>> form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful',

> to

>> ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs

> means

>> reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or

>> surveys. Success is all in how you define it.....

>> - ne

>> --

>> ne Holden, MS, RD

>> " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/

>> " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease "

>> " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy "

>> http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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, You ARE more like other members. You're like us, independent

thinkers, adventurers, entrepeneurs, and a challenge to beurocracies that

try to keep us down.

Digna

Re: Community Listserve

>

> It is interesting that when we do hear from the ADA team, it is via a

> post or forward to rd-usa@yahoogroups or one of the DPG group lists.

> I am enrolled in the Diet Community but I haven't found anything yet

> to engage me. I get the once weekly post, which I read but nothing

> yet entices me to log in. Does anybody know (care) if passwords

> expire? Raphaela

>

> -- In rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> com,

> " ne

> Holden, MS, RD "

> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> Ortiz, R.D. wrote:

>> > I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except

> on Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on

> it, how is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often?

>> > Thanks

>>

>> I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new

> posts

>> daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using

> this

>> form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful',

> to

>> ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs

> means

>> reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or

>> surveys. Success is all in how you define it.....

>> - ne

>> --

>> ne Holden, MS, RD

>> " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinso

> <http://www.parkinson.org/> n.org/

>> " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease "

>> " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy "

>> http://www.nutritio <http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/>

> nucanlivewith.com/

>>

>

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and if you do chatter, other participants tell you shut up. I couldn't believe

it.

Digna Cassens wrote:

ne,

I've got news for everyone that doubts the definition of success. This

listserve replaced the old one in a very short time, and here we are

communicating freely AND without cesnorship. This is the definition of

success.

It is interesting that the dietetics foodservice listserve is still active

(or inactive? there are very few messages posed there each month) and

still exists on-line. I guarantee it was never, and will not in the future,

be a challenge due to the nature of the participants; go in, as a

question,get out - no opinions, no chatter.

Digna

Re: Community Listserve

>

>

> Ortiz, R.D. wrote:

>> I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except on

>> Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on it, how

>> is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often?

>> Thanks

>

> I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new posts

> daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using this

> form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful', to

> ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs means

> reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or

> surveys. Success is all in how you define it.....

> - ne

> --

> ne Holden, MS, RD

> " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/

> " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease "

> " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy "

> http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/

>

>

>

>

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Pat, Thanks for the idea. I think it is a good suggestion to email the

issues managment group, since emailing ADA directly, including the Exec

Director, was not effective. I'm not certain if it's worth the effort, since

we already found another method to voice our opinions and receive advice

from our peer group. I find it beneficial that many non-members can now

participate in this listserve whereas before they could not.

Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

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>I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the thread.

>I

> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until it died

> out.

> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of practice And

> to

> learn a bit more about the individuals.

>

> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only ADA

> members.

> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA Legislative

> and

> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post. Good news

> about the association. But I have not done that because it is really for

> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues.

>

> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented and it

> served

> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to follow one

> issue

> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better than the

> HOD

> listserv we had.

>

> I do not think any member should be told things that do not encourage

> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be upset.

>

> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for us to

> send

> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made up of

> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is

> _Issuesmgmt@..._ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@...)

>

> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have the

> alternative one.

>

> Pat

>

> Pat Raimondi MS, RD

> The Milestone Group

>

>

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I find that kind of harsh, Kathy, as well as very rude. This is a free

speech country, and as such, even chatter is perfectly fine. D

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>

>

> Ortiz, R.D. wrote:

>> I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except on

>> Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on it, how

>> is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often?

>> Thanks

>

> I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new posts

> daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using this

> form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful', to

> ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs means

> reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or

> surveys. Success is all in how you define it.....

> - ne

> --

> ne Holden, MS, RD

> " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/

> " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease "

> " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy "

> http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/

>

>

>

>

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I agree that our profession loses some ability to lobby and use

strategy to move legislation if we can not be sure communication is

secure between members. To strategize effectively, it is important to

target members who will act and not 'tip off' potential opposition to

the legislative cause. I hope the ADA team will reconsider their

position regarding the great member service the Dietitecs-l

represented, as well as, the communications tool for the ADA team to

reach us card carrying members, nearly instantly.

Best, Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

>

> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the

thread. I

> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until it

died out.

> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of

practice And to

> learn a bit more about the individuals.

>

> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only ADA

members.

> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA

Legislative and

> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post.

Good news

> about the association. But I have not done that because it is

really for

> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues.

>

> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented and

it served

> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to follow

one issue

> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better

than the HOD

> listserv we had.

>

> I do not think any member should be told things that do not

encourage

> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be

upset.

>

> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for us

to send

> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made

up of

> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is

> _Issuesmgmt@..._ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@...)

>

> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have the

> alternative one.

>

> Pat

>

> Pat Raimondi MS, RD

> The Milestone Group

>

>

>

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Thanks so much for that wonderful response - truly gratifying.

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From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Digna Cassens

Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 10:49 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Re: Community Listserve

, You ARE more like other members. You're like us, independent

thinkers, adventurers, entrepeneurs, and a challenge to beurocracies that

try to keep us down.

Digna

Re: Community Listserve

>

> It is interesting that when we do hear from the ADA team, it is via a

> post or forward to rd-usa@yahoogroups or one of the DPG group lists.

> I am enrolled in the Diet Community but I haven't found anything yet

> to engage me. I get the once weekly post, which I read but nothing

> yet entices me to log in. Does anybody know (care) if passwords

> expire? Raphaela

>

> -- In rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> com,

> " ne

> Holden, MS, RD "

> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> Ortiz, R.D. wrote:

>> > I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except

> on Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on

> it, how is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often?

>> > Thanks

>>

>> I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new

> posts

>> daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using

> this

>> form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful',

> to

>> ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs

> means

>> reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or

>> surveys. Success is all in how you define it.....

>> - ne

>> --

>> ne Holden, MS, RD

>> " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinso

> <http://www.parkinso <http://www.parkinson.org/> n.org/> n.org/

>> " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease "

>> " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy "

>> http://www.nutritio <http://www.nutritio

<http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/> nucanlivewith.com/>

> nucanlivewith.com/

>>

>

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Rapahela, Although I agree with you wholeheartedly, I also believe in

reaching out to non-members who may not realize the benfits of joining ADA.

ADA would be better served by allowing some participation, even if limited,

by non-members who are registered, and obviously I would not consider them

the enemy, but part of the choir.

Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

Re: Community Listserve

>I agree that our profession loses some ability to lobby and use

> strategy to move legislation if we can not be sure communication is

> secure between members. To strategize effectively, it is important to

> target members who will act and not 'tip off' potential opposition to

> the legislative cause. I hope the ADA team will reconsider their

> position regarding the great member service the Dietitecs-l

> represented, as well as, the communications tool for the ADA team to

> reach us card carrying members, nearly instantly.

> Best, Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

>

>

>>

>> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the

> thread. I

>> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until it

> died out.

>> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of

> practice And to

>> learn a bit more about the individuals.

>>

>> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only ADA

> members.

>> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA

> Legislative and

>> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post.

> Good news

>> about the association. But I have not done that because it is

> really for

>> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues.

>>

>> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented and

> it served

>> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to follow

> one issue

>> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better

> than the HOD

>> listserv we had.

>>

>> I do not think any member should be told things that do not

> encourage

>> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be

> upset.

>>

>> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for us

> to send

>> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made

> up of

>> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is

>> _Issuesmgmt@..._ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@...)

>>

>> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have the

>> alternative one.

>>

>> Pat

>>

>> Pat Raimondi MS, RD

>> The Milestone Group

>>

>>

>>

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Digna,

You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still

be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the

ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group

expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have

only received their form letter of response. Raphaela

> >>

> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the

> > thread. I

> >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until

it

> > died out.

> >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of

> > practice And to

> >> learn a bit more about the individuals.

> >>

> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only

ADA

> > members.

> >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA

> > Legislative and

> >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post.

> > Good news

> >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is

> > really for

> >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues.

> >>

> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented

and

> > it served

> >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to

follow

> > one issue

> >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better

> > than the HOD

> >> listserv we had.

> >>

> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not

> > encourage

> >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be

> > upset.

> >>

> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for

us

> > to send

> >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made

> > up of

> >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is

> >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@)

> >>

> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have

the

> >> alternative one.

> >>

> >> Pat

> >>

> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD

> >> The Milestone Group

> >>

> >>

> >>

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I don't think they'll listen, and got tired of receiving the form letters bc

they'd started to make me mad. I wonder if we launched another letter

writing campaign if they'd listen this time? I doubt it, but letters take

llittle time to write and email.

Digna

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> Digna,

> You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still

> be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the

> ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group

> expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have

> only received their form letter of response. Raphaela

>

>

>> >>

>> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the

>> > thread. I

>> >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until

> it

>> > died out.

>> >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of

>> > practice And to

>> >> learn a bit more about the individuals.

>> >>

>> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only

> ADA

>> > members.

>> >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA

>> > Legislative and

>> >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post.

>> > Good news

>> >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is

>> > really for

>> >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues.

>> >>

>> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented

> and

>> > it served

>> >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to

> follow

>> > one issue

>> >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better

>> > than the HOD

>> >> listserv we had.

>> >>

>> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not

>> > encourage

>> >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be

>> > upset.

>> >>

>> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for

> us

>> > to send

>> >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made

>> > up of

>> >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is

>> >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@)

>> >>

>> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have

> the

>> >> alternative one.

>> >>

>> >> Pat

>> >>

>> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD

>> >> The Milestone Group

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

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I haven't accessed the community listserv the first time. I don't have time,

it's too cumbersome and doesn't meet my needs. The dietetics-l listserv was

great. I won't join ADA next year.

r_rozansk wrote: I agree that our profession loses

some ability to lobby and use

strategy to move legislation if we can not be sure communication is

secure between members. To strategize effectively, it is important to

target members who will act and not 'tip off' potential opposition to

the legislative cause. I hope the ADA team will reconsider their

position regarding the great member service the Dietitecs-l

represented, as well as, the communications tool for the ADA team to

reach us card carrying members, nearly instantly.

Best, Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

>

> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the

thread. I

> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until it

died out.

> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of

practice And to

> learn a bit more about the individuals.

>

> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only ADA

members.

> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA

Legislative and

> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post.

Good news

> about the association. But I have not done that because it is

really for

> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues.

>

> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented and

it served

> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to follow

one issue

> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better

than the HOD

> listserv we had.

>

> I do not think any member should be told things that do not

encourage

> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be

upset.

>

> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for us

to send

> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made

up of

> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is

> _Issuesmgmt@..._ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@...)

>

> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have the

> alternative one.

>

> Pat

>

> Pat Raimondi MS, RD

> The Milestone Group

>

>

>

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I agreed that individualization was needed so I actually took the time and

effort to call to discuss the situation. I was told that the couple of

thousand dietitians who used the list serve regularly were irrelevant.

Those of us who found the list serve of great value needed to join with the

needs, as assessed by the ADA, of all the members. It is only the benefit

of the mass that is important. I was told that I should adjust my needs to

that of the whole.

And so I am here on rd-usa.

Mazarin

_____

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Digna Cassens

Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:30 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Re: Community Listserve

I don't think they'll listen, and got tired of receiving the form letters bc

they'd started to make me mad. I wonder if we launched another letter

writing campaign if they'd listen this time? I doubt it, but letters take

llittle time to write and email.

Digna

Re: Community Listserve

> Digna,

> You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still

> be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the

> ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group

> expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have

> only received their form letter of response. Raphaela

>

>

>> >>

>> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the

>> > thread. I

>> >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until

> it

>> > died out.

>> >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of

>> > practice And to

>> >> learn a bit more about the individuals.

>> >>

>> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only

> ADA

>> > members.

>> >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA

>> > Legislative and

>> >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post.

>> > Good news

>> >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is

>> > really for

>> >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues.

>> >>

>> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented

> and

>> > it served

>> >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to

> follow

>> > one issue

>> >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better

>> > than the HOD

>> >> listserv we had.

>> >>

>> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not

>> > encourage

>> >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be

>> > upset.

>> >>

>> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for

> us

>> > to send

>> >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made

>> > up of

>> >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is

>> >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@)

>> >>

>> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have

> the

>> >> alternative one.

>> >>

>> >> Pat

>> >>

>> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD

>> >> The Milestone Group

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

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OK, , now that makes perfect sense to me. Let's see ...

- 1984 - of course, it all started there, don't you think?

- Farhenheit 451, well, our books have not been burned yet, and we haven't

been labotomized, at least, not most of us, I believe,

- Carl Marx, he had the right idea, did'nt he? if it worked for him is

should work for us too,

- Lenin, he's a good one to mention also,

- Mao Zedong is another great one that someone in ADA must have read, and

applied to the beurocracy,

- Castro? well, he's still around, but aging rapidly, so why not blame him

too for some of this craziness? Look at how prosperous Cuba has become in

the last 45 years

Oh, and let's not forget that although the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is

the largest political party, it does pride itself on being very exclusive

since only 5% of the chinese population belong to it, yet, everyone in the

country has to follow the rules and laws imposed on them for the good of the

majority. That must be the way to do it. Now I understand the philosophy.

What I can't understand for the life of me is why and how an organization

can survive IN THIS COUNTRY! with that same communistic, dictatorial

attitude and philosphy. We must all be crazy, because surely, it cannot be

them, they're infallible.

Digna

Re: Community Listserve

>

>> Digna,

>> You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still

>> be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the

>> ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group

>> expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have

>> only received their form letter of response. Raphaela

>>

>>

>>> >>

>>> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the

>>> > thread. I

>>> >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until

>> it

>>> > died out.

>>> >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of

>>> > practice And to

>>> >> learn a bit more about the individuals.

>>> >>

>>> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only

>> ADA

>>> > members.

>>> >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA

>>> > Legislative and

>>> >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post.

>>> > Good news

>>> >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is

>>> > really for

>>> >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues.

>>> >>

>>> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented

>> and

>>> > it served

>>> >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to

>> follow

>>> > one issue

>>> >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better

>>> > than the HOD

>>> >> listserv we had.

>>> >>

>>> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not

>>> > encourage

>>> >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be

>>> > upset.

>>> >>

>>> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for

>> us

>>> > to send

>>> >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made

>>> > up of

>>> >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is

>>> >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@)

>>> >>

>>> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have

>> the

>>> >> alternative one.

>>> >>

>>> >> Pat

>>> >>

>>> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD

>>> >> The Milestone Group

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >>

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So typical of ADA.

Re: Community Listserve

> Digna,

> You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still

> be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the

> ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group

> expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have

> only received their form letter of response. Raphaela

>

>

>> >>

>> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the

>> > thread. I

>> >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until

> it

>> > died out.

>> >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of

>> > practice And to

>> >> learn a bit more about the individuals.

>> >>

>> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only

> ADA

>> > members.

>> >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA

>> > Legislative and

>> >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post.

>> > Good news

>> >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is

>> > really for

>> >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues.

>> >>

>> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented

> and

>> > it served

>> >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to

> follow

>> > one issue

>> >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better

>> > than the HOD

>> >> listserv we had.

>> >>

>> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not

>> > encourage

>> >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be

>> > upset.

>> >>

>> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for

> us

>> > to send

>> >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made

>> > up of

>> >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is

>> >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@)

>> >>

>> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have

> the

>> >> alternative one.

>> >>

>> >> Pat

>> >>

>> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD

>> >> The Milestone Group

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

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I have stopped trying to defend the ADA a long time ago. I'm glad we have

rd-usa. I find the information valuble and feel all of you are friends and

colleages.

Merav Levi- wrote:

So typical of ADA.

Re: Community Listserve

> Digna,

> You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still

> be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the

> ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group

> expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have

> only received their form letter of response. Raphaela

>

>

>> >>

>> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the

>> > thread. I

>> >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until

> it

>> > died out.

>> >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of

>> > practice And to

>> >> learn a bit more about the individuals.

>> >>

>> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only

> ADA

>> > members.

>> >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA

>> > Legislative and

>> >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post.

>> > Good news

>> >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is

>> > really for

>> >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues.

>> >>

>> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented

> and

>> > it served

>> >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to

> follow

>> > one issue

>> >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better

>> > than the HOD

>> >> listserv we had.

>> >>

>> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not

>> > encourage

>> >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be

>> > upset.

>> >>

>> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for

> us

>> > to send

>> >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made

>> > up of

>> >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is

>> >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@)

>> >>

>> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have

> the

>> >> alternative one.

>> >>

>> >> Pat

>> >>

>> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD

>> >> The Milestone Group

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

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I love your humor and logic. It's all so clear - they are always right!!!

p.s. Thank goodness we can laugh about it.

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From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Digna Cassens

Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 11:22 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Re: Community Listserve

OK, , now that makes perfect sense to me. Let's see ...

- 1984 - of course, it all started there, don't you think?

- Farhenheit 451, well, our books have not been burned yet, and we haven't

been labotomized, at least, not most of us, I believe,

- Carl Marx, he had the right idea, did'nt he? if it worked for him is

should work for us too,

- Lenin, he's a good one to mention also,

- Mao Zedong is another great one that someone in ADA must have read, and

applied to the beurocracy,

- Castro? well, he's still around, but aging rapidly, so why not blame him

too for some of this craziness? Look at how prosperous Cuba has become in

the last 45 years

Oh, and let's not forget that although the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is

the largest political party, it does pride itself on being very exclusive

since only 5% of the chinese population belong to it, yet, everyone in the

country has to follow the rules and laws imposed on them for the good of the

majority. That must be the way to do it. Now I understand the philosophy.

What I can't understand for the life of me is why and how an organization

can survive IN THIS COUNTRY! with that same communistic, dictatorial

attitude and philosphy. We must all be crazy, because surely, it cannot be

them, they're infallible.

Digna

Re: Community Listserve

>

>> Digna,

>> You are so correct. The members only Dietetics-l is/was/should still

>> be one of the most compelling reasons to be an ADA member. So sad the

>> ADA team did not see that. I did send a note to the management group

>> expressing my desire to see the Dietetics-l reinstated. So far I have

>> only received their form letter of response. Raphaela

>>

>>

>>> >>

>>> >> I too find that is a bit cumbersome and that I lost track of the

>>> > thread. I

>>> >> liked the old format where we would respond to a subject until

>> it

>>> > died out.

>>> >> It also gave us a chance to hear from all different areas of

>>> > practice And to

>>> >> learn a bit more about the individuals.

>>> >>

>>> >> A draw back to our new listserv is I am not sure if it is only

>> ADA

>>> > members.

>>> >> And the reason question that is because as Chair of the ADA

>>> > Legislative and

>>> >> Public Policy Committee, there are things I would love to post.

>>> > Good news

>>> >> about the association. But I have not done that because it is

>>> > really for

>>> >> members, and these things are happening are a result of our dues.

>>> >>

>>> >> I was in the House of Delegates when it was it was implemented

>> and

>>> > it served

>>> >> its purpose there but the need was different. We needed to

>> follow

>>> > one issue

>>> >> and everyone's comments. I did not find it though to be better

>>> > than the HOD

>>> >> listserv we had.

>>> >>

>>> >> I do not think any member should be told things that do not

>>> > encourage

>>> >> independent thinking. This is not acceptable and one should be

>>> > upset.

>>> >>

>>> >> One way to maybe have another hearing on the old listserv is for

>> us

>>> > to send

>>> >> an email to the Issue Management team. Issues Management is made

>>> > up of

>>> >> members to help find solutions for problems. The email is

>>> >> _Issuesmgmt@_ (mailto:Issuesmgmt@)

>>> >>

>>> >> It would be worth a try. Otherwise I too am glad that we have

>> the

>>> >> alternative one.

>>> >>

>>> >> Pat

>>> >>

>>> >> Pat Raimondi MS, RD

>>> >> The Milestone Group

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >>

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I was referring to a response I received from the foodservice list serve. I

think Jan P and I were " chattering " about the lack of traffice. And multiple

post were made about our conversation asking us to stop. I really felt like

saying something more colorful than use the delete button. {grin} .

Digna Cassens wrote:

I find that kind of harsh, Kathy, as well as very rude. This is a free

speech country, and as such, even chatter is perfectly fine. D

Re: Community Listserve

>

>

> Ortiz, R.D. wrote:

>> I haven't really checked on the community listserve (ADA) except on

>> Saturday when they send me an email - for those who have been on it, how

>> is the traffic? Is it growing enough to check in more often?

>> Thanks

>

> I had subsribed to receive the daily notifiation. Averages 1-3 new posts

> daily. Today there were 4 -- bonanza. ADA stated that HOD was using this

> form and it was 'very successful.' Suspect that " very successful', to

> ADA, means little/no usage; reduced communication among RDs/DTRs means

> reduced ability to network, organize protests, post petitions or

> surveys. Success is all in how you define it.....

> - ne

> --

> ne Holden, MS, RD

> " Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/

> " Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease "

> " Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy "

> http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/

>

>

>

>

>

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Interesting.

I have only been to the " community " a handful of times. I just don't feel like

going through all of the trouble to log into another site, etc etc etc. I feel

the same about DPG sites where the emails don't come directly to me.

I find it hard to believe that 2000 people are one the community...but maybe

they are like those of us who don't go to the site.

Collier, RD

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To eat is a necessity, but to eat intelligently is an art. -LaRoche foucauld

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Collier wrote:

> I just wonder how many of us were on the listserv before it changed, and how

many are on the new one? I wonder if they will consider this. Hmmm...

>

At one time, ADA stated there were around 12K on dietetics-l; however,

before it went to Community, they stated there were only 2000. I've

really wondered about that.

There are close to 2000 on the Community now, and around 600 on rd-usa.

Maybe we could start " recruiting " from the various state and DPG lists!

- ne

--

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Has anyone " advertised " on the Community listserve re: this listserve?

Check Nutrition at:

Nutrition.teach-nology.com

Ortiz, RD

nrord@...

Check these food sayings:

http://lancaster.unl.edu/food/ftsep06.shtml

Re: Community Listserve

Collier wrote:

> I just wonder how many of us were on the listserv before it changed, and how

many are on the new one? I wonder if they will consider this. Hmmm...

>

At one time, ADA stated there were around 12K on dietetics-l; however,

before it went to Community, they stated there were only 2000. I've

really wondered about that.

There are close to 2000 on the Community now, and around 600 on rd-usa.

Maybe we could start " recruiting " from the various state and DPG lists!

- ne

--

ne Holden, MS, RD

" Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinson.org/

" Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease "

" Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy "

http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/

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I wonder if it would be allowed.

Collier, RD

Shore Memorial Hospital

9507 Hospital Avenue

PO Box 17

Nassawadox, VA 23413

fax

To eat is a necessity, but to eat intelligently is an art. -LaRoche foucauld

Re: Community Listserve

Has anyone " advertised " on the Community listserve re: this listserve?

Check Nutrition at:

Nutrition.teach-nology.com

Ortiz, RD

nrordadelphia (DOT) <mailto:nrord%40adelphia.net> net

Check these food sayings:

http://lancaster. <http://lancaster.unl.edu/food/ftsep06.shtml>

unl.edu/food/ftsep06.shtml

Re: Community Listserve

Collier wrote:

> I just wonder how many of us were on the listserv before it changed, and how

many are on the new one? I wonder if they will consider this. Hmmm...

>

At one time, ADA stated there were around 12K on dietetics-l; however,

before it went to Community, they stated there were only 2000. I've

really wondered about that.

There are close to 2000 on the Community now, and around 600 on rd-usa.

Maybe we could start " recruiting " from the various state and DPG lists!

- ne

--

ne Holden, MS, RD

" Ask the Parkinson Dietitian " http://www.parkinso <http://www.parkinson.org/>

n.org/

" Eat well, stay well with Parkinson's disease "

" Parkinson's disease: Guidelines for Medical Nutrition Therapy "

http://www.nutritio <http://www.nutritionucanlivewith.com/> nucanlivewith.com/

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