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I don't know if this will help but a friend of mine's daughter is type

1(actually all four of her children are diabetic) but two are bi polar and

one them has a very hard time controlling what she eats and may feel very

much like you do

Maybe the new drs will help,have you tried low carbing,high protein?

How long have you been diagnosed?

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If being eccentric and hard to accept things are prerequistes to bipolar,I'm

sending the rest of my family for diagnosis:)

You hang in there til you see the new dr and we will go from there. Are you

taking your meds for the bipolar?

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, I've hesitated to reply to your post because I tend not to be the

most diplomatic person in the world...but I'll try. This is very important:

It's not enough to stay away from sugary foods -- the fried shrimp and french

fries are just as bad for you...have you tried low carbing? If you're been

on this list for a while you know a lot of us have had very excellent results

with it. It will be hard at the beginning, you'll experience carb cravings

but things will eventually come into line. I know a lot of folks on this

list have been through this so maybe they can add something.

I've found it helpful to think of the Awful Consequences of not keeping BGs

under control...but I'm not bipolar, I don't know if this would be a

motivator for you.

Good luck! Vicki

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In a message dated 99-07-29 14:55:07 EDT, you write:

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BTW: I forgot to mention before that even though the A1C test is considered a

3 month average...the latest month counts for 50% while the 2 months prior to

that count for the other 50% of the result. >>

Now, that's interesting, ; I didn't know that. Do you know why? Vicki

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In a message dated 7/29/1999 4:11:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

WHIMSY2@... writes:

<<

and, oh, yes, I've often thought if one could get fat from just THINKING

about food we'd all be 4x4! (or worse!) Vicki

>>

I gain 5 pounds just for looking at a food ad!!! LOL

Jim

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Welcome to my world of denial! I know exactly what you mean. Been

there, still there, want to get out of here. One thing I've learned

from monitoring this list is how many health problems seem to come right

back to the diabetes. Sometimes it feels like a never ending circle

where I take care of one problem only to have another " pop " up.

Somewhere, years ago, I heard about a list of factors that make someone

at risk for diabetes.... the four F's which I turned into the 5 F's by

adding one:

1. Family history of diabetes

2. Female

3. Fertile (pre-menopause)

4. Fair skinned

and the one I added, 5. Fat.

Why some of these things would make someone prone to developing diabetes

(like being fair skinned) is a mystery to me. As for me, I fit all 5,

darn it! So, about five years ago I lost 101 pounds in an effort to

avoid diabetes. Of course, or should I say unfortunately, I gained it

all back and, coupled with a big life stressor (at the time), I became a

card carrying diabetic, type II. I'm just now tyring to really get a

grip on it; time to leave denial behind and tame this beast before I

develop serious side effects.

I tell you all this because I know I have an eating disorder (not one of

the fancy ones like anorexia or bulimia) but, none the less, a

disorder. Its VERY hard to change eating patterns! At times, I've

envied smokers who are trying to quit because they can walk away from

their addiction, never having to physically touch a cigarette. But, we

can't do that, can we? We have to eat to stay alive. And, trying to

eat correctly to control the diabetes just adds, for me, more stress

which triggers more eating.

It must be particularly hard for you because of the bi-polar. One of my

closest friends is bi-polar and, when it gets out of control, we have to

basically (no literally) hit him with a 2x4 to get him to recognize that

he's acting " off the wall. " For example, once he gets an idea (or

impression) about something, it can be nearly impossible to break

through his wall to where he can listen, and perhaps, accept another

opinion.

You have my understanding about what you're going through. I don't say

" sympathy " because I'm taking a guess that that's not what you want or

need. Good fortune fighting your denial; writing to this group is a

good step in the right direction. Hope the visit to your doctor will

give you something to hang on to (a ray of hope or new information) that

will help. God bless.

Sorry for being long winded. Your story touched me.

Beth

" N. Duff " wrote:

>

>

>

> i am not sure if any of you will understand this or not - i have decided

> that i am NOT a diabetic - and am in complete denial again - this goes back

> to my being bi-polar - tomorrow i have a blood test done (never had one - a

> bunch of initials) and on Monday am seeing an endocrinoloigist(sp?) -- last

> night we went to dinner and i had fried shrimp - with french fries - am

> really staying away from sweets but its the bread that i crave -- i need

> some help - my sugars are 240 or higher -- i just have it in my mind that i

> am not diabetic and can eat what i what - never mind that i am a woman of

> extreme size - for lunch had 3 sandwiches and am still craving food - last

> night, we had this great dinner with appetizers and salad - the whole nine

> yards - and on the way home, i was wondering what i could eat - i was

> hungry but the hunger was distant -- i think that there is a problem here.

>

> I wrote because i wonder if anyone else has ever felt like this - maybe it

> is all a mental state with me --

> nancy

>

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hi beth -= thanks so much for your letter - it has helped me so very much

to know that someone else understands - in fact, i have even forwarded your

letter (hope it is ok) to my husband - he is very worried about me - and i

don't think that he understands sometimes when i get an idea in my head -

talk about a 2 x 4!! Eatting is the way that i cope with stress - am

constantly thinking of that next meal - that next snack - when i found out

that my mother and father were dying ( 3 and a half yrs apart) i would

stuff myself all the time - i even sat eatting at their death beds - how

awful - looking back on it - a friend of theirs has a haagen das ice cream

store and she would bring sorbet for them to eat - guess who ate it - they

didn't want it - and i would eat it straight out of the carton -

i am talking too much - thanks for writing and for the help - i know that i

am not alone but am skating on very thin ice here - also admitting to being

bipolar is tough -

nancy

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> <<<i am not sure if any of you will understand this or not - i have decided

> that i am NOT a diabetic - and am in complete denial again...>>>

<<<...my sugars are 240 or higher -- i just have it in my mind that i am not

diabetic...>>>

,

I know EXACTLY what you're saying. I've done it twice.. felt like the diagnosis

was extreme and that, in my case, maybe I was diabetic at 232 pounds but at 195

I'm normal... Hey, I've got a 5.7 A1C, that's normal for a normal person...

BUT, I still couldn't explain the " unusual " bg reading of 150-170...

I really had myself convinced...

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> <<< ... and I eat more carbohydrates than some of the " low-carbers " eat. But,

> for me, this works. I find that if I keep my total carbohydrate intake beneath

> 100 grams...>>>

Susie,

It seems that intake of carbs makes me want more carbs but intake of protein

doesn't make me want more..

Have you ever noticed anything like that.??

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this is hard - i am having the A1C tomorrow - and will see what it is -

what exactly does that tell the docs? Can you explain it to me? thanks so

much

nancy

At 12:26 PM 7/29/99 -0600, you wrote:

>

>

> > <<<i am not sure if any of you will understand this or not - i have decided

> > that i am NOT a diabetic - and am in complete denial again...>>>

>

><<<...my sugars are 240 or higher -- i just have it in my mind that i am not

>diabetic...>>>

>

>,

>

>I know EXACTLY what you're saying. I've done it twice.. felt like the

>diagnosis

>was extreme and that, in my case, maybe I was diabetic at 232 pounds but

>at 195

>I'm normal... Hey, I've got a 5.7 A1C, that's normal for a normal person...

>BUT, I still couldn't explain the " unusual " bg reading of 150-170...

>

>I really had myself convinced...

>

>

>

>

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Okay ya'll are going to think I know everybody but I'm oldish so I've met

alot of people in my life.

I knew someone that was in a pschy. hospital and told she would never leave

an institution guess what folks she was hypo,they did shock treatments and

everything you can imagine,today she is married and has a normal life with

children,so I would give low carbing a chance

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> <<<this is hard - i am having the A1C tomorrow - and will see what it is -

what

> exactly does that tell the docs? Can you explain it to me? thanks so much>>>

Hi ,

Susie can probably escribe it better but a bg meter gives you a snapshot of your

bg

at the time the blood is drawn (by your home meter), but the A1C test gives you

a

prior 3 month average of your bg.

This removes the inaccuracies of home bg meters and the vagarities of not

testing

at high or low bg times.

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so this sort of is an average of your blood sugars for the past three

months? This should be pretty accurate right? How often are these tests

supposed to be done?

nancy

At 12:36 PM 7/29/99 -0600, you wrote:

>

>

> > <<<this is hard - i am having the A1C tomorrow - and will see what it

> is - what

> > exactly does that tell the docs? Can you explain it to me? thanks so

> much>>>

>

>Hi ,

>

>Susie can probably escribe it better but a bg meter gives you a snapshot

>of your bg

>at the time the blood is drawn (by your home meter), but the A1C test

>gives you a

>prior 3 month average of your bg.

>

>This removes the inaccuracies of home bg meters and the vagarities of not

>testing

>at high or low bg times.

>

>

>

>

>

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> <<<so this sort of is an average of your blood sugars for the past three

> months?>>>

Exactly.

> <<<This should be pretty accurate right? How often are these tests

> supposed to be done?>>>

Good question. My first one was done 5 months after I was diagnosed...and at a

point when we wanted confirmation that my numbers really were ok.

It is recommended that the test be given at least twice a year to people not

on insulin and 4 times a year to people on insulin.

BTW: I forgot to mention before that even though the A1C test is considered a

3 month average...the latest month counts for 50% while the 2 months prior to

that count for the other 50% of the result.

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Granger writes:

<< It seems that intake of carbs makes me want more carbs but intake of

protein

doesn't make me want more..

Have you ever noticed anything like that.?? >>

Absolutely, ! Many insulin-dependent type 2's have described our

relationship with carbohydrates as an allergy/addiction. I gradually built

up a " tolerance " for carbohydrates, but now that I have broken that cycle, I

become quite ill if I overindulge in what is, for me, a sort of poison.

Susie

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Granger writes:

<< BTW: I forgot to mention before that even though the A1C test is

considered a

3 month average...the latest month counts for 50% while the 2 months prior

to

that count for the other 50% of the result. >>

<pinning a gold star on ... > , you are doing a great job! You

really know your stuff!

Susie :o)

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> <<<pinning a gold star on ... > , you are doing a great job! You

> really know your stuff!>>>

Hi Susie,

Thanks, normally I don't get much into details but our lives are at stake on

this stuff...

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You're more than welcome and, please, feel free to forward my email to

your husband. I know just from dealing with my friend, its very

difficult for someone who isn't bi-polar to understand someone who is!

Its put a strain on our friendship, from time-to-time, and it must be

even more difficult for a married couple. Would it be possible for your

husband to talk to your doctor about it and/or get him a book about

bi-polar? You've probably done this already, though....

As for eating... time to put the image of eating at your parent's death

beds out of your mind and forgive yourself!!!! When we think back,

we've all done things that make us cringe -- what's the saying... " its

human to err " ? Its a little like being a child; we forgive children

all the time for " transgressions " because we know that little ones don't

know any better and need to be taught. I think the same concept applies

to adults -- for example, if you didn't know you were bi-polar (or

addicted to food), then how can you get mad at your behavior? It takes

time to learn this stuff and even more time to practice new behavior

enough for it to become second nature.

Personally, my favorite emotion is food. You're not alone. If you have

to look back, use it as a learning exercise, not an opportunity to beat

yourself up!

Keep the faith. Beth

" N. Duff " wrote:

>

>

>

> hi beth -= thanks so much for your letter - it has helped me so very much

> to know that someone else understands - in fact, i have even forwarded your

> letter (hope it is ok) to my husband - he is very worried about me - and i

> don't think that he understands sometimes when i get an idea in my head -

> talk about a 2 x 4!! Eatting is the way that i cope with stress - am

> constantly thinking of that next meal - that next snack - when i found out

> that my mother and father were dying ( 3 and a half yrs apart) i would

> stuff myself all the time - i even sat eatting at their death beds - how

> awful - looking back on it - a friend of theirs has a haagen das ice cream

> store and she would bring sorbet for them to eat - guess who ate it - they

> didn't want it - and i would eat it straight out of the carton -

>

> i am talking too much - thanks for writing and for the help - i know that i

> am not alone but am skating on very thin ice here - also admitting to being

> bipolar is tough -

>

> nancy

>

> ---------------------------

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<< You hang in there til you see the new dr and we will go from there. Are

you

taking your meds for the bipolar? >>

I also want to add that a psych. wrote in my file that I was possibly

manic-depressive. Doctors really have little understanding of diabetes! Once

I got my glucose in good control, my emotional swings vanished.

Susie

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> BTW: I forgot to mention before that even though the A1C test is considered a

> 3 month average...the latest month counts for 50% while the 2 months prior to

> that count for the other 50% of the result.

>

>

>

Ugh! I just had an A1C last week during my yearly physical. I remember

telling the doctor that the month before I come to see him is when I

seem to self-destruct when it comes to food! Talk about shooting

yourself in the foot!

Once again, I learn something here. Thanks.

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> <<<Now, that's interesting, ; I didn't know that. Do you know why?>>>

Yes, but I don't know if I can explain it..

Red blood cells live 2-3 months. They are continuously being born while other

are

dying.. These cells get marked by the amount of bg at the time they're born.. If

you sample enough of these cells you'll get a very accurate reading...but since

cells don't have a definite life expectancy you'll find the typical ratio

being...

yep, 50% are a month old or younger and 50% are 2-3 months old.

(I just reread this and I don't know if this makes it any clearer but...?

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In a message dated 99-07-29 16:34:38 EDT, you write:

<<

Red blood cells live 2-3 months. They are continuously being born while

other are

dying.. These cells get marked by the amount of bg at the time they're

born.. If

you sample enough of these cells you'll get a very accurate reading...but

since

cells don't have a definite life expectancy you'll find the typical ratio

being...

yep, 50% are a month old or younger and 50% are 2-3 months old.

(I just reread this and I don't know if this makes it any clearer but...?

>>

Yes, that makes it clear just fine! Thanks, Vicki

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