Guest guest Posted June 14, 1999 Report Share Posted June 14, 1999 The American Diabetes Association, like the American Cancer Association, is seen as just a big corporation that is only interested in its own longevity and fund-raising. Very little of their income goes to research. There are people in important positions at the ADA that don't seem to understand the nature of the disease. Case in point: I went to http://www.mymenus.com and clicked on DIABETES to see what they recommended for diabetic menus, and more than one item had carbohydrate estimates of 35-45 grams/serving. I wrote their webmaster and he was perplexed, saying he had gotten the recipes from the ADA itself. And a friend of mine contacted the editor at the ADA magazine " Diabetes Care " and questioned him about the many high-carb recipes contained in their magazine every month, and he said he had spoken with the dietitian who puts them together and she couldn't explain it. Now, isn't that odd? The ADA contradicts itself on its web site too. If you go to the articles written for public consumption, there is a different slant than if you go to the research section, aimed at doctors and specialists in the field. And if you go to their announcement mailed out to all institutions housing diabetics, you get a different message. That message is to hold carbohydrate intake at 200 grams daily for those on insulin, and to carefully serve the same number of carbs for each breakfast, each lunch, and each dinner. The ADA tries to sidestep the whole issue by telling patients to work it out with their doctors and dietitians, but many doctors in the US are clueless about diabetes, and most dietitians in this country still push the Food Pyramid, which is loaded with grains and other high-carb items. There are many patients who get very little medical care, for financial reasons, and they don't seem to know what to eat. Many diabetics do not test themselves at all, and they just keep eating what they always did - but they worry more now. And for them it is generally a slow or fast decline into worse health and blood test results and accumulating complications. I just got done chewing out JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association) and three web sites for publishing a study that talks about how treating diabetes with diet alone is such an abysmal failure, without mentioning one word that those poor subjects were fed a HIGH-carbohydrate diet before and during the study. (I really had to do some digging to uncover that essential fact!) Many Americans are tied to jobs they despise, just to keep their medical insurance. I just had two simple blood tests run and my bill was $333. There is incredible gouging in this country. People literally cannot afford to be sick over here. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 1999 Report Share Posted June 14, 1999 > I just got done chewing out JAMA (Journal of the American Medical > Association) and three web sites for publishing a study that talks about how > treating diabetes with diet alone is such an abysmal failure, without > mentioning one word that those poor subjects were fed a HIGH-carbohydrate > diet before and during the study. (I really had to do some digging to > uncover that essential fact!) Susie, you are such a wonderful advocate for what diabetics really need - have you ever thought of doing it professionally? I started reading Protein Power over the weekend. I haven't gotten to the actual diet part yet, because the first part is all about the biology of eating low carb and it just makes so much sense to me. I'm still not 100% that I can live the rest of my life on such a low-carb diet, but I am completely convinced that the lowering of carbs I have done so far has really made an impact. Case in point: as of Sunday, I am competely medication FREE. Up until last September or so I was on 2000mg of Glucophage and 45mg of Glipizide. Granted, I have lost a lot of weight (112.5 pounds and still counting). I have also learned to get active, and I know that's done loads for me. But I'm also absolutely positive that lowering my carb intake has benefitted me greatly as well. The last two days I have of course been taking even more readings than normal, to make sure I'm managing okay without meds (it's a scary thought, believe me!). I've been eating moderately low-carb, and my readings are averaging around 5.0. :-) If I can quickly crow a bit more, here are two photos that show how far I've come: Before - taken New Year's Eve, 1997: http://www.greenend.org.uk/~dawnsue/before.jpg Now ( " During " !) - taken May 29, 1999: http://www.greenend.org.uk/~dawnsue/dawn1.jpg > Many Americans are tied to jobs they despise, just to keep their medical > insurance. I just had two simple blood tests run and my bill was $333. There > is incredible gouging in this country. People literally cannot afford to be > sick over here. Unfortunately that's so true. I once let my medications lapse for several months because I just couldn't afford to buy them and ended up in the hospital as a result. Luckily for me I was in England when I got sick, so I didn't have the hospital bill on top of it all!! I got around the problem by moving to England last year; unfortunately that's not an option for us all. ;-) Cheers, Dawn .....you've got to search for the hero inside yourself..........M People ------------------------------------------------------------------------ dawnsue@... - www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~dawnsue/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 1999 Report Share Posted June 14, 1999 Sisie and all of you other list members. I have nearly forgot you these days. Has been so busy putting up some webpages on the web. Trying to see whether all these offers really can generate a steady income. If any of you list members has good experience with an online business/income opportunity then please send me some details on it to my private mail: norgaard@.... Thanks to all of you to your replies regarding my toe infection. - Well, doctor has said that he hesitate operating because I have diabetes. He said that I would risk loosing my toe. Then he ordained dicilling again though I clearly told him that it had absolutely no effect the 4th time I used it - and it neither has now. So I guess they has to operate in a week or two. Susie - this Hcb1?? - they don't tell us about what they get out of the blood tests. In general doctors and nurses are very kind and helpfull, but we are only 150.000 diabetics in Denmark, so we have nearly no specialists - and thats often a problem. Well, I'll think I'll continue my travel on the net in my search after the gold at the end of that rainbow. - I'm not an opportunity seeker at all, but has 5 kids to feed. I found a table with carb and fat content in popcorn and was very surprised that all of them - except a micro owen popcorn had nearly 70-80 carbs per 100 g - the micro owen one had much more fat - now what's best. I'll send the table to the list soon. Best regards norgaard@... ************************************************************* Web-page translation to meet the growing Scandinavian market: http://www.latetstitbooks.addr.com/index2.html ************************************************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 1999 Report Share Posted June 14, 1999 Dawn Sue wrote: << ... Granted, I have lost a lot of weight (112.5 pounds and still counting). >> <eyeballs popping out ... rolling on floor ... picking them up and putting in pocket ... > Wow - what an impressive feat, Dawn Sue! I couldn't get your web pages to load on my browser by clicking on the hyperlink. But I clicked on the hyperlink at the bottom of your post and got to your picture that way. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 1999 Report Share Posted June 14, 1999 carb levels ... what are the the low carb foods please >?? Norgaard wrote: > > > Thank you Susie, I'll ask my doctor if such a test would be possible. > > > Re: American Diabetes Association? > > > > > > > Norgaard writes: > > > > << ... I found a table with carb and fat content in popcorn and was very > > surprised that all of them - except a micro owen popcorn had nearly 70-80 > > carbs per 100 g - the micro owen one had much more fat - now what's best. > > I'll send the table to the list soon. >> > > > > If you are worried about the fat, you can buy an " air-blower " popcorn maker. > > But of course, the fat/butter is what makes it sooo yummy ... right? ) > > > > Corn is really carby, so I guess popcorn would be as well. And it's one of > > those foods that, like potato chips, you can't eat just one handful. > > > > , I really do feel that surgery on your toe is preferable to letting > > this infection linger *any* longer. I will be relieved when it is over and > > you can report it healing - at long last. > > > > Okay, , can you phone your doctor and get your latest HbA1c (hemoglobin > > A1c) test results? Those would tell us a LOT about your glucose averages. > > And if your doctor hasn't done one, can you request that one be done as soon > > as possible? > > > > Susie > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Campaign 2000 is here! > > http://www.onelist.com > > Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Last chance to earn $5000 for your charity of choice! > http://www.onelist.com > Deadline for " GROW TO GIVE " is June 19. See homepage for details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 1999 Report Share Posted June 14, 1999 Cheers ... you ok ? Norgaard wrote: > > > I don't know, but when I, for instance, buy bread, I usually don't buy bread that contains more than about 60 per 100g. The best is about 40-60 per 100g. White bread from the baker contains about 70-80 per 100g. > > > > Re: American Diabetes Association? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Norgaard writes: > > > > > > > > << ... I found a table with carb and fat content in popcorn and was very > > > > surprised that all of them - except a micro owen popcorn had nearly 70-80 > > > > carbs per 100 g - the micro owen one had much more fat - now what's best. > > > > I'll send the table to the list soon. >> > > > > > > > > If you are worried about the fat, you can buy an " air-blower " popcorn maker. > > > > But of course, the fat/butter is what makes it sooo yummy ... right? ) > > > > > > > > Corn is really carby, so I guess popcorn would be as well. And it's one of > > > > those foods that, like potato chips, you can't eat just one handful. > > > > > > > > , I really do feel that surgery on your toe is preferable to letting > > > > this infection linger *any* longer. I will be relieved when it is over and > > > > you can report it healing - at long last. > > > > > > > > Okay, , can you phone your doctor and get your latest HbA1c (hemoglobin > > > > A1c) test results? Those would tell us a LOT about your glucose averages. > > > > And if your doctor hasn't done one, can you request that one be done as soon > > > > as possible? > > > > > > > > Susie > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Campaign 2000 is here! > > > > http://www.onelist.com > > > > Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Last chance to earn $5000 for your charity of choice! > > > http://www.onelist.com > > > Deadline for " GROW TO GIVE " is June 19. See homepage for details. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ONElist members are using Shared Files in great ways! > > http://www.onelist.com > > Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get involved. Share your thoughts! > http://www.onelist.com > Join the ONElist Weekly Survey. Go to homepage for details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 1999 Report Share Posted June 14, 1999 cheers susie ... r u the trucker ?? OtterCritter wrote: > > > Kirby asks about low-carb foods. > > In the US, bread has anywhere from 13 to about 50 grams per slice. > Highly-processed grains such as bread and pasta are a special problem for > diabetics to handle. > > If you are in the US, check the nutritional labels for total carbohydrate > content. Some low-carb or no-carb foods would be meat, cheese, olives, > guacamole, nuts, leafy vegetables, broccoli, cauliflower, green beans. A few > beans and peas are moderate-carb. There are canned mixed beans and field > peas that, when you subtract the fiber grams from the carb grams, are only > about 9 grams per serving. Sugar-free Jello. Dannon lite and TCBY Fat Free > Fantasies yogurt used to be pretty low-carb, but they both replaced some of > their aspartame with sugar, so we had to give them up. The main component of > my diet is endless salads, adding in celery, carrots, cucumbers, tomatoes, > chick peas, hard-boiled eggs, lean meat, and seasonings. > > There are software programs to help you find the carb content. Eg, > http://www.siestasoftware.com > > And you can go to this web site and click on any of the food groups in the > lower right, then in the next window, click on SORT BY ... Carbohydrate. > That gives you many meal suggestions: http://www.mymenus.com > > Or buy a book such as Corinne Netzer's " Complete Book of Food Counts " . > > Or do a web search using a good search engine such as > http://www.altavista.com > and type in quotation marks: " low carb " or " low carbohydrate " There are > many, many sites to help you. And we can share with you some of our > bookmarked sites if you still thirst for information. > > Susie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Got an opinion? > http://www.onelist.com > Make it count! Sign up for the ONElist Weekly Survey now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 1999 Report Share Posted June 14, 1999 Dave Kirby writes: << cheers susie ... r u the trucker ?? >> Yes I am Dave. And the distances I travel would boggle your mind. My co-driver and I leave North Carolina and are in Los Angeles two days later .... That involves driving virtually nonstop at speeds of 60-80 mph. I was dazzled by the wonderful condition of your roads on my trips to Britain. Then I realized you have no " big rigs. " What I drive is 70 feet long, 13-1/2 feet tall, 8-1/2 feet wide, and generally weighs 75,000 - 80,000 pounds. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 1999 Report Share Posted June 15, 1999 Thank you - I feel really fine now - except for the toe. As regards to carbs, I'm afraid that I can not be of so much help - you maybe remember I was first diagnosed in jan.99. But I know that Susie has send some info to you and hope that it's sufficient. If I find some interesting info on carbs I,ll send it. Re: American Diabetes Association? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Norgaard writes: > > > > > > > > > > << ... I found a table with carb and fat content in popcorn and was very > > > > > surprised that all of them - except a micro owen popcorn had nearly 70-80 > > > > > carbs per 100 g - the micro owen one had much more fat - now what's best. > > > > > I'll send the table to the list soon. >> > > > > > > > > > > If you are worried about the fat, you can buy an " air-blower " popcorn maker. > > > > > But of course, the fat/butter is what makes it sooo yummy ... right? ) > > > > > > > > > > Corn is really carby, so I guess popcorn would be as well. And it's one of > > > > > those foods that, like potato chips, you can't eat just one handful. > > > > > > > > > > , I really do feel that surgery on your toe is preferable to letting > > > > > this infection linger *any* longer. I will be relieved when it is over and > > > > > you can report it healing - at long last. > > > > > > > > > > Okay, , can you phone your doctor and get your latest HbA1c (hemoglobin > > > > > A1c) test results? Those would tell us a LOT about your glucose averages. > > > > > And if your doctor hasn't done one, can you request that one be done as soon > > > > > as possible? > > > > > > > > > > Susie > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 1999 Report Share Posted June 15, 1999 small baby then ? hahaha OtterCritter wrote: > > > Dave Kirby writes: > > << cheers susie ... r u the trucker ?? >> > > Yes I am Dave. And the distances I travel would boggle your mind. My > co-driver and I leave North Carolina and are in Los Angeles two days later > ... That involves driving virtually nonstop at speeds of 60-80 mph. I was > dazzled by the wonderful condition of your roads on my trips to Britain. > Then I realized you have no " big rigs. " What I drive is 70 feet long, 13-1/2 > feet tall, 8-1/2 feet wide, and generally weighs 75,000 - 80,000 pounds. > > Susie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist: where real people with real interests get connected. > http://www.onelist.com > Join a new list today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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