Re: uhh...stupid question(s)

July 11, 2006

I have never heard of too much HC making anyone crash. Maybe keeping

them up at night if they take it too late, but not crash. This I believe

is low thyroid. You are probably at that stage where it is enough to

shut down your TSH thus no help from your own thyroid but not enough

replacement to make you feel good. I would hold the HC where it is and

try increasing the thyroid in 1/4 grain increments every 2 weeks. How

much Armour are you on? Not that it matters much as many folks are up to

6-7 grains, and I know of several that are 10-12 grains.

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July 11, 2006

I'm at 2 grains, day 1 + 35mg HC.

But the first stage of adrenal fatigue is actually when the adrenals are

overworking and

making too much cortisol. Can someone at this stage tolerate armour any better

than

someone who's reached the next stage where the adrenals are shutting down?

I was reading somewhere yesterday where too much cortisol can lower temps in the

same

way as too little. Both cases wreck havoc with hypothyroidism. I don't mean to

the extent

of cushings though. I also don't mean a constant state of too much HC only

sometimes on

somdays.

It's just that when I crash I have two very different types of crashes. One

where fatigue

and depression etc., hit hard (typical low thyroid/adrenals), and other times

it's rage that

hits hard, like I'm really out of control, like going into overdrive. And I

can't help but

wonder if it's the rage that is a sign of too much HC in relation to my armour

dose. I used

to think that the rage was a sign of too much armour but that's not too likely

to happen

from 1 day to the next but it could with too much HC. Dose that make sense?

I'm not so sure myself but I was just thinking out loud.

July 11, 2006

I have not heard of too much cortisol causing rages. HC is usually

calming. Now if your adrenals are dumping out too much adrenaline, that

might well cause rage. But that would likely be from too low thyroid and

adrenals too low.Usually in adrenal fatigue when the adrenals run out of

cortisol but ACTH is still high demanding more, adrenaline can be put

out instead.

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July 11, 2006

That happened to me and I had to back off on my amour and raise it 1/8 grain at

a time. I was flip flopping back and forth from hyper to hypo. That sounds

like maybe what you are doing too. Not sure just something to look at. The

hyper symtoms made me absolutely crazy. At the beginning of HC but now on

medrol I had to raise and lower my armour according to the day. Some days I had

to ride the wave of the terrible symtoms of hyper thyroid. Try backing a little

off the armour like 1/8 of a grain. Sounds craxy but it is working for lme.

It is still a slow go but I am getting better.

Re: uhh...stupid question(s)

I'm at 2 grains, day 1 + 35mg HC.

But the first stage of adrenal fatigue is actually when the adrenals are

overworking and

making too much cortisol. Can someone at this stage tolerate armour any better

than

someone who's reached the next stage where the adrenals are shutting down?

I was reading somewhere yesterday where too much cortisol can lower temps in

the same

way as too little. Both cases wreck havoc with hypothyroidism. I don't mean to

the extent

of cushings though. I also don't mean a constant state of too much HC only

sometimes on

somdays.

It's just that when I crash I have two very different types of crashes. One

where fatigue

and depression etc., hit hard (typical low thyroid/adrenals), and other times

it's rage that

hits hard, like I'm really out of control, like going into overdrive. And I

can't help but

wonder if it's the rage that is a sign of too much HC in relation to my armour

dose. I used

to think that the rage was a sign of too much armour but that's not too likely

to happen

from 1 day to the next but it could with too much HC. Dose that make sense?

I'm not so sure myself but I was just thinking out loud.

July 11, 2006

Mostly that makes sense except I have secondary adrenal insuff. - non responsive

ACTH.

Oh well.

July 11, 2006

Mostly that makes sense except I have secondary adrenal insuff. - non responsive

ACTH.

Oh well.

July 11, 2006

That too makes a lot of sense. When I crashed I tried stress dosing, didn't

work so I

backed off (although maybe too much). I didn't recover until eating carbs at

bedtime and

raising my armour again ( although the carb thing might only be luck).

But yeah, it happens often - feel good for a week or 2 and then I crash. I'm

not usually

sure if it's low thyorid returning, in which case I need an armour raise, or too

much armour

(or something)in which case I need to lower my dose. In any case I usually get

it wrong.

I also think I'm confusing cortisol with adrenaline - big difference.

Val really stressed the temp thing for me last week, maybe thats the key.

>

> That happened to me and I had to back off on my amour and raise it 1/8 grain

at a time.

I was flip flopping back and forth from hyper to hypo. That sounds like maybe

what you

are doing too. Not sure just something to look at. The hyper symtoms made me

absolutely crazy. At the beginning of HC but now on medrol I had to raise and

lower my

armour according to the day. Some days I had to ride the wave of the terrible

symtoms of

hyper thyroid. Try backing a little off the armour like 1/8 of a grain. Sounds

craxy but it

is working for lme. It is still a slow go but I am getting better.

July 14, 2006

What is medrol? How did you know that HC wasn't enough?

I ate some homemade pizza last night. Half way through the pizza I was getting

even

more fatigued then I already was. Went straight to bed. Started getting sooo

hot and

thirsty. Felt real ill but don't exactly remember symptoms but maybe like i was

going to

pass out. Terrified i would need to go to hospital again. Moring temps (3

hours after

waking) has been around 97.7 yet 4 days ago I was at 98.6. Strange but when I

woke this

morning I wasn't really sure if last night was real or a dream. In any case,

I'm not doing so

good. Flank pain is back again.

Good news though. My daughter has a new friend and her mommy just happens to be

a

doc on baby leave. She wanted to hear my story ( I didn't push it, she did)

anyway, next

time i saw her she gave me some help.

She checked around and asked some other docs. Apparently me endo is very good

but a

visit twice a year is not enough (dah!!) so she gave me the name of a good

internist/

homeopath (not sure if that's the same in English).

Problem is my endo does all kinds of tests and then I go back to my GP and she

doesn't

have a clue when things go wrong. But this internist can fill in the gaps where

my endo

leaves off. Plus my endo is big on blood values but this internist goes beyond.

I hope it works because this can't go on much longer.

> >

> > That happened to me and I had to back off on my amour and raise it 1/8

grain at a

time.

> I was flip flopping back and forth from hyper to hypo. That sounds like

maybe what

you

> are doing too. Not sure just something to look at. The hyper symtoms made me

> absolutely crazy. At the beginning of HC but now on medrol I had to raise

and lower

my

> armour according to the day. Some days I had to ride the wave of the

terrible symtoms

of

> hyper thyroid. Try backing a little off the armour like 1/8 of a grain.

Sounds craxy but

it

> is working for lme. It is still a slow go but I am getting better.

>

July 14, 2006

I get really tired when I'm eating as well. All the time, halfway through

my meal I start yawning and get overwhelmingly tired. I have no idea why.

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Re: uhh...stupid question(s)

> What is medrol? How did you know that HC wasn't enough?

>

> I ate some homemade pizza last night. Half way through the pizza I was

getting even

> more fatigued then I already was. Went straight to bed. Started getting

sooo hot and

> thirsty. Felt real ill but don't exactly remember symptoms but maybe like

i was going to

> pass out. Terrified i would need to go to hospital again. Moring temps

(3 hours after

> waking) has been around 97.7 yet 4 days ago I was at 98.6. Strange but

when I woke this

> morning I wasn't really sure if last night was real or a dream. In any

case, I'm not doing so

> good. Flank pain is back again.

>

> Good news though. My daughter has a new friend and her mommy just happens

to be a

> doc on baby leave. She wanted to hear my story ( I didn't push it, she

did) anyway, next

> time i saw her she gave me some help.

>

> She checked around and asked some other docs. Apparently me endo is very

good but a

> visit twice a year is not enough (dah!!) so she gave me the name of a

good internist/

> homeopath (not sure if that's the same in English).

>

> Problem is my endo does all kinds of tests and then I go back to my GP and

she doesn't

> have a clue when things go wrong. But this internist can fill in the gaps

where my endo

> leaves off. Plus my endo is big on blood values but this internist goes

beyond.

>

> I hope it works because this can't go on much longer.

>

> > >

> > > That happened to me and I had to back off on my amour and raise it

1/8 grain at a

> time.

> > I was flip flopping back and forth from hyper to hypo. That sounds

like maybe what

> you

> > are doing too. Not sure just something to look at. The hyper symtoms

made me

> > absolutely crazy. At the beginning of HC but now on medrol I had to

raise and lower

> my

> > armour according to the day. Some days I had to ride the wave of the

terrible symtoms

> of

> > hyper thyroid. Try backing a little off the armour like 1/8 of a

grain. Sounds craxy but

> it

> > is working for lme. It is still a slow go but I am getting better.

> >

July 14, 2006

Medrol is an longer acting than cortef. It stays in your system longer. It

helps me get throught the day whereas the cortef shelf life was not long acting

enough. I would start feeling really bad around 3 every afternoon. and had to

stress dose on the cortef everyday. From reading the stop the thyroid madness I

found out about the medrol. I am doing better but not where I want to be. I

had gottin my armour up to high before gettin my adrenals dealt with. So I had

to back track and drop the amour to tolerate the medrol.

Re: uhh...stupid question(s)

> What is medrol? How did you know that HC wasn't enough?

>

> I ate some homemade pizza last night. Half way through the pizza I was

getting even

> more fatigued then I already was. Went straight to bed. Started getting

sooo hot and

> thirsty. Felt real ill but don't exactly remember symptoms but maybe like

i was going to

> pass out. Terrified i would need to go to hospital again. Moring temps

(3 hours after

> waking) has been around 97.7 yet 4 days ago I was at 98.6. Strange but

when I woke this

> morning I wasn't really sure if last night was real or a dream. In any

case, I'm not doing so

> good. Flank pain is back again.

>

> Good news though. My daughter has a new friend and her mommy just happens

to be a

> doc on baby leave. She wanted to hear my story ( I didn't push it, she

did) anyway, next

> time i saw her she gave me some help.

>

> She checked around and asked some other docs. Apparently me endo is very

good but a

> visit twice a year is not enough (dah!!) so she gave me the name of a

good internist/

> homeopath (not sure if that's the same in English).

>

> Problem is my endo does all kinds of tests and then I go back to my GP and

she doesn't

> have a clue when things go wrong. But this internist can fill in the gaps

where my endo

> leaves off. Plus my endo is big on blood values but this internist goes

beyond.

>

> I hope it works because this can't go on much longer.

>

> > >

> > > That happened to me and I had to back off on my amour and raise it

1/8 grain at a

> time.

> > I was flip flopping back and forth from hyper to hypo. That sounds

like maybe what

> you

> > are doing too. Not sure just something to look at. The hyper symtoms

made me

> > absolutely crazy. At the beginning of HC but now on medrol I had to

raise and lower

> my

> > armour according to the day. Some days I had to ride the wave of the

terrible symtoms

> of

> > hyper thyroid. Try backing a little off the armour like 1/8 of a

grain. Sounds craxy but

> it

> > is working for lme. It is still a slow go but I am getting better.

> >

July 14, 2006

In a message dated 7/14/2006 10:24:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mives@... writes:

>

> I get really tired when I'm eating as well. All the time, halfway through

> my meal I start yawning and get overwhelmingly tired. I have no idea why.

>

,

This can be a classic symptom of food sensitivities. I remember once

reading the story of a man who found that if he ate pork -- even a

very small quantity -- he would konk out immediately. His friends at

work thought that he was crazy, that it was all in this head, so they

sneaked a little pork into his food one day and in the middle of the

meal, he put his head down on the table and fell asleep. After that

they were convinced.

Maybe you should take a look at what common food/s or food group

you're ingesting at each meal (since you say it's all the time) and

try eliminating and then reintroducing it/them as a test.

Hollis

July 15, 2006

Unfortunately, allergies and sensitivities are NOT the same thing.

Allergies raise histamine levels. Sensitivities do a number of other

things, but don't touch histamine. The standard allergy tests will

not find food sensitivities. For instance, celiac is a serious

sensitivity to gluten, but a standard allergy test often will be

negative for wheat, rye or barley, the foods that contain gluten.

You might want to keep a diary for a few weeks - note the things you

are eating and the reactions you have. If the same thing keeps

popping up - " every time I have a salad for lunch, I get sleepy in

the afternoon " then you might try each ingredient or the dressing

(and the different ingredients in the dressing) and see which one is

the culprit.

Debbie

>

> I had a food allergy testing done, and it was remarkably non-

reactive. I'm

> not allergic to any foods at all.

>

July 17, 2006

Just a note on keeping a food journal (I'm trying to do the same

thing). There are some obvious foods that I eat and have a reaction

to right away (like an hr or so later), but some might not show up

until the next day or so. I've read in a couple books now that this

delayed reaction is because the food stays in your system (antigen

form) for 72 hours. I've also read where it's good to put your food

on a five day rotation plan because if you eat the same food over and

over the body becomes overloaded with that particular food and starts

to make antibodies against it. This is the number one reason for food

allergies according to the book Hormones, Health and Happiness.

-Connie

> >

> > I had a food allergy testing done, and it was remarkably non-

> reactive. I'm

> > not allergic to any foods at all.

> >

>

July 17, 2006

Regarding food allergy testing...anyone ever have Igg testing done? if so what

do you think?

Michigan

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