- Question on TCM and fever and congestion

[Guest guest]

- I saw the discussion on fevers and TCM. My DS has had this

cough for about 6 days now, but it sounds like his chest is congested.

After every bout of coughing, he needs to blow his nose. He also has a

fever- I can't really tell by touching him, and he has been acting

fine, but his temp yesterday was 102. It has gotten better now, but

its still there. This started probably on day 5 of our TCM meds. I

stopped the pills for the first 3 days, but when I talked with the Dr.

he asked me to up the dose and if it didn't get better, he will change

the herbs this week. I don't believe he treats autism in particular,

but I do believe he is good at what he does!

I was wondering if the concept of a detox reaction is part of TCM, or

does a bad reaction mean 'wrong remedy'? I am worried about the

congestion, so I will take him in to get checked today, but I was

wondering if you think I should stick with this remedy and ride this

out, vs. having his remedy changed...? DS is 4 and this is the first

time he has had this kind of congestion- even when he has had a cold

before, its usually milder, and we've just had one sleepless night and

the humidifiers on.

[Guest guest]

My gut instinct is that he has a cold/respiratory infection. Phlegm is not usually produced by herbs unless very particular herbs for that are included. A different sort of " phlegm " may be in his diagnosis and he may have herbs for that in his formula, but I wouldn't expect to see a cough caused by that. The herbs he is on may actually help depending what is in them, that you would need to ask his doc. There is always a first time for a bad cold. Dairy is also something to look at but you probably limit that?

A bad reaction to herbs would be more along the lines of headache, vomiting, digestive issues, possibly rash. However we are purposely purging with some herbs and you may actually try to induce diarrhea or a rash to get heat out. But I'd like to think the patient would be forewarned of that. I personally keep my eye out for headache as a " reaction " or an overall unwellness.

My daughter has had a cough for many weeks now and I have tried just about everything to get rid of it, we are finally seeing success with acupuncture (I only draw out the needles on my kids when vital, lol) and SPS 30 which is a very strong prescription mucolase enzyme. I was being cheap and giving her, in the beginning, what herbs I had in the fridge, even though they weren't right on for her individual case. Goes to show the importance of proper prescribing and the individuality in patient's cases. Learned my lesson, from now on I will just give her the most appropriate herbs from the beginning, lol. Would have ultimately saved money because I wouldn't have bought Elderberry & Zinc, a homeopathic, extra vitamin c, etc etc

- I saw the discussion on fevers and TCM. My DS has had thiscough for about 6 days now, but it sounds like his chest is congested.After every bout of coughing, he needs to blow his nose. He also has a

fever- I can't really tell by touching him, and he has been actingfine, but his temp yesterday was 102. It has gotten better now, butits still there. This started probably on day 5 of our TCM meds. Istopped the pills for the first 3 days, but when I talked with the Dr.

he asked me to up the dose and if it didn't get better, he will changethe herbs this week. I don't believe he treats autism in particular,but I do believe he is good at what he does! I was wondering if the concept of a detox reaction is part of TCM, or

does a bad reaction mean 'wrong remedy'? I am worried about thecongestion, so I will take him in to get checked today, but I waswondering if you think I should stick with this remedy and ride thisout, vs. having his remedy changed...? DS is 4 and this is the first

time he has had this kind of congestion- even when he has had a coldbefore, its usually milder, and we've just had one sleepless night andthe humidifiers on. -- Ormonde, L.Ac.

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks much! I had to give him some Triaminic for 3 nights, in

addition to my ginger-and-honey home remedy, and some pleo remedies.

And now I think I've fed the yeast beast too much honey :-( ( though

the ginger helped a Lot with the congestion. I was a little concerned

because I googled 'water metabolism' (for which we got one of the

pills) and there was all that talk of phlegm- must be the other kind

you speak of!! I need to read up on TCM soon.

Thanks again!

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> > - I saw the discussion on fevers and TCM. My DS has had this

> > cough for about 6 days now, but it sounds like his chest is congested.

> > After every bout of coughing, he needs to blow his nose. He also has a

> > fever- I can't really tell by touching him, and he has been acting

> > fine, but his temp yesterday was 102. It has gotten better now, but

> > its still there. This started probably on day 5 of our TCM meds. I

> > stopped the pills for the first 3 days, but when I talked with the Dr.

> > he asked me to up the dose and if it didn't get better, he will change

> > the herbs this week. I don't believe he treats autism in particular,

> > but I do believe he is good at what he does!

> >

> > I was wondering if the concept of a detox reaction is part of TCM, or

> > does a bad reaction mean 'wrong remedy'? I am worried about the

> > congestion, so I will take him in to get checked today, but I was

> > wondering if you think I should stick with this remedy and ride this

> > out, vs. having his remedy changed...? DS is 4 and this is the first

> > time he has had this kind of congestion- even when he has had a cold

> > before, its usually milder, and we've just had one sleepless night and

> > the humidifiers on.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

>

[Guest guest]

Apparantly yeast can get in the lungs, I don't know much about this as I have been meaning to research it myself for my daughter, I'll let you know if I come across anything.

In TCM there is phlegm and " substantial " phlegm, basically phelgm you can see and can't see, phlegm can make the head heavy, groggy, slow to process, feel like its wrapped very tightly. The other is literal phlegm you see like mucous, snot, etc.

Thanks much! I had to give him some Triaminic for 3 nights, inaddition to my ginger-and-honey home remedy, and some pleo remedies.And now I think I've fed the yeast beast too much honey :-( ( thoughthe ginger helped a Lot with the congestion. I was a little concerned

because I googled 'water metabolism' (for which we got one of thepills) and there was all that talk of phlegm- must be the other kindyou speak of!! I need to read up on TCM soon.Thanks again!> > > - I saw the discussion on fevers and TCM. My DS has had this> > cough for about 6 days now, but it sounds like his chest is congested.

> > After every bout of coughing, he needs to blow his nose. He also has a> > fever- I can't really tell by touching him, and he has been acting> > fine, but his temp yesterday was 102. It has gotten better now, but

> > its still there. This started probably on day 5 of our TCM meds. I> > stopped the pills for the first 3 days, but when I talked with the Dr.> > he asked me to up the dose and if it didn't get better, he will change

> > the herbs this week. I don't believe he treats autism in particular,> > but I do believe he is good at what he does!> >> > I was wondering if the concept of a detox reaction is part of TCM, or

> > does a bad reaction mean 'wrong remedy'? I am worried about the> > congestion, so I will take him in to get checked today, but I was> > wondering if you think I should stick with this remedy and ride this

> > out, vs. having his remedy changed...? DS is 4 and this is the first> > time he has had this kind of congestion- even when he has had a cold> > before, its usually milder, and we've just had one sleepless night and

> > the humidifiers on.> >> > > >> > >

> -- > Ormonde, L.Ac.> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com>

-- Ormonde, L.Ac.

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

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> Apparantly yeast can get in the lungs, I don't know much about this

as I

> have been meaning to research it myself for my daughter, I'll let you

know

> if I come across anything.

>

I had researched this before and found out PAu d' Arco is effective for

lung yeast.

[Guest guest]

Frances did you note what symptoms of lung yeast are - how would you differentiate it from a cold?

(And btw thank you for what you sent me offlist, that is very very helpful, I just haven't had time to sit down and digest it and get back to you, but it is much appreciated!)

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> Apparantly yeast can get in the lungs, I don't know much about this as I> have been meaning to research it myself for my daughter, I'll let you know> if I come across anything.

> I had researched this before and found out PAu d' Arco is effective for lung yeast.

-- Ormonde, L.Ac.

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

and Frances- Thanks for the tip on lung yeast. Are there any

particular symptoms? I do believe DS has systemic yeast, but yeast in

the lungs sounds particularly terrible. I had once tried an

anti-fungal product with PArco, but the smell was too strong, and DS

who is usually pretty good with most things mixed in with his drink,

refused it pretty strongly. Do you have a good source for it? I need

to start an anti-fungal parade soon.

And - I'd appreciate any info from your research!A few weeks ago,

I'd have stepped into it right away, but DS is a mess right now and at

this time, I'm trying to wrap my brain around too many things. One

other thing- DS's TCM dr. gives us pills that also have corn starch in

them. Corn is a milder no-no for us- it used to worsen his eczema when

he wasn't GF, but by itself, did cause behavior issues. I'm seeing

that now, but the issues are similar to his yeasty ones. We have a

yeast flare right now, so not sure which is which. Can I give him

enzymes with the pills?

Thanks!