Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Jill But it would make sense, wouldn't it, if the school system taught the French that was being spoken close to where you live doesn't it??? Even in France they have different dialects of the spoken French. I have a client that is Spanish and her husband was Portuguese. They lived right across the river from each other over there and there was a bridge. So the towns up and down the borders, including their's, incorporated both the Spanish and Portuguese. They even have a name for the language, which I can't recall right now. Gloria ________________________________ We lived in Cajun counry in Louisisna for 7 years before we moved back to Ohio, They taught french in the schools starting in 3rd grade. i'm not sure if it was true French or Cajun French....which are vastly different! LOL!! Our son had just started it when we moved in Sept. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 8:00:08 PM Subject: Re: My story Up here, our kids do still have to learn a second language. Mostly it'll be French and I found it to be a huge waste of time. They only teach Parisian French, particularly out on the west coast here, therefore, we can't understand anyone from Quebec or the rest of our French population further east. I've known of several Quebecers living out here that will not allow their children to go to French Immersion schools because of the French that is taught. In the end, my mother was right!! I should have gone to the High School that was teaching Spanish. It sure would have been a lot more useful. Gloria ____________ _________ _________ __ Good for you about the Apache speaking. I always wanted to learn to speak Norwegian, but it wasn't spoken around me starting about the time I started school, so didn't learn it that way. My mother didn't speak it since before she started school, my dad wasn't in the house much when I was home and awake. I could have gone to St. Olaf College, I think they still teach it there, but was more expensive than Augustana, so that settled that. Now, I can't remember how to spell English words, at least on a keyboard (you are lucky I proof and sometimes spell check these posts or you would have trouble figuring some out) , so can't imagine trying to learn Norwegian. Had to work hard at what I did learn of Spanish. I wish our school kids were required to learn a second language as they are in Europe. Some learn two, start one, usually English, in grade school and a third in highschool. Jan H On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com>wrote: > My mom's dad was named , a long time alcoholic who was half apache > and half Spanish. Her mom was full blooded Spanish, and her Grandma's > sisters were blond hair blue eyes. The blond sisters were allowed to go in > the theatre through the front door, and the dark haired ones were not. This > was in Denver in the 1950's. > > > My father's dad was half Navajo, and half spanish settler. His mom was > mostly Spanish. They were originally from Taos New Mexico. somewhere along > the way they migrated north to Trinidad, Colorado. In the 60's , my dad's > entire family eventually moved north to Colorado Springs and on to Denver. > Then my dad met my mom. I learned to speak Apache in 1995. > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:45:14 AM > Subject: Re: My story > > > two of my granddaughters have Emerson in their family tree, not a direct > descendant. I don't think he would be too proud of his great (lots more > greats) nephew if he were here today. Jan H > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Murch <linda.murch@ yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > My family came over on the May Flower. His name was Digory Priest, he > died > > the first winter but his wife & children survived. > > Later, my Great great ( more greats LOL) grandma was REBECCA NURSE who > was > > hanged as a witch is Salem Mass. > > Then we're related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, I lost the trail after that. > I > > know about Digory because we were in the Mayflower Society, a group of > > descendants. > > I'm German, English French & got ALL the bad genes in my family tree LOL > ! > > Love you all > > tillytitmouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > his > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > his > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > another > > > > > brother > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > ago > > I > > > > went > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > pounds. > > > > > They > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > > shape > > > > > when > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > couple > > > > > more > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > pill > > > > > which I > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > 20 > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but > my > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > > for > > > > > having > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > > yard > > > > but > > > > > is > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps > a > > > > > little. > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > > About > > > 8 > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > anything.. > > > He > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > him > > > > about > > > > > my > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > > plant > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything > to > > > > drink > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > comments, > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Yea...it was pretty cool!                                                                            Love,Jill  We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:47:05 PM Subject: Re: My story  Jill But it would make sense, wouldn't it, if the school system taught the French that was being spoken close to where you live doesn't it??? Even in France they have different dialects of the spoken French. I have a client that is Spanish and her husband was Portuguese. They lived right across the river from each other over there and there was a bridge. So the towns up and down the borders, including their's, incorporated both the Spanish and Portuguese. They even have a name for the language, which I can't recall right now. Gloria ____________ _________ _________ __ We lived in Cajun counry in Louisisna for 7 years before we moved back to Ohio, They taught french in the schools starting in 3rd grade. i'm not sure if it was true French or Cajun French....which are vastly different! LOL!! Our son had just started it when we moved in Sept. Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 8:00:08 PM Subject: Re: My story Up here, our kids do still have to learn a second language. Mostly it'll be French and I found it to be a huge waste of time. They only teach Parisian French, particularly out on the west coast here, therefore, we can't understand anyone from Quebec or the rest of our French population further east. I've known of several Quebecers living out here that will not allow their children to go to French Immersion schools because of the French that is taught. In the end, my mother was right!! I should have gone to the High School that was teaching Spanish. It sure would have been a lot more useful. Gloria ____________ _________ _________ __ Good for you about the Apache speaking. I always wanted to learn to speak Norwegian, but it wasn't spoken around me starting about the time I started school, so didn't learn it that way. My mother didn't speak it since before she started school, my dad wasn't in the house much when I was home and awake. I could have gone to St. Olaf College, I think they still teach it there, but was more expensive than Augustana, so that settled that. Now, I can't remember how to spell English words, at least on a keyboard (you are lucky I proof and sometimes spell check these posts or you would have trouble figuring some out) , so can't imagine trying to learn Norwegian. Had to work hard at what I did learn of Spanish. I wish our school kids were required to learn a second language as they are in Europe. Some learn two, start one, usually English, in grade school and a third in highschool. Jan H On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com>wrote: > My mom's dad was named , a long time alcoholic who was half apache > and half Spanish. Her mom was full blooded Spanish, and her Grandma's > sisters were blond hair blue eyes. The blond sisters were allowed to go in > the theatre through the front door, and the dark haired ones were not. This > was in Denver in the 1950's. > > > My father's dad was half Navajo, and half spanish settler. His mom was > mostly Spanish. They were originally from Taos New Mexico. somewhere along > the way they migrated north to Trinidad, Colorado. In the 60's , my dad's > entire family eventually moved north to Colorado Springs and on to Denver. > Then my dad met my mom. I learned to speak Apache in 1995. > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:45:14 AM > Subject: Re: My story > > > two of my granddaughters have Emerson in their family tree, not a direct > descendant. I don't think he would be too proud of his great (lots more > greats) nephew if he were here today. Jan H > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Murch <linda.murch@ yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > My family came over on the May Flower. His name was Digory Priest, he > died > > the first winter but his wife & children survived. > > Later, my Great great ( more greats LOL) grandma was REBECCA NURSE who > was > > hanged as a witch is Salem Mass. > > Then we're related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, I lost the trail after that. > I > > know about Digory because we were in the Mayflower Society, a group of > > descendants. > > I'm German, English French & got ALL the bad genes in my family tree LOL > ! > > Love you all > > tillytitmouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > his > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > his > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > another > > > > > brother > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > ago > > I > > > > went > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > pounds. > > > > > They > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > > shape > > > > > when > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > couple > > > > > more > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > pill > > > > > which I > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > 20 > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but > my > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > > for > > > > > having > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > > yard > > > > but > > > > > is > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps > a > > > > > little. > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > > About > > > 8 > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > anything.. > > > He > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > him > > > > about > > > > > my > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > > plant > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything > to > > > > drink > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > comments, > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 They teach classic Spanish here and then you cannot understand the Mexican speech. That doesn't make sense. Thanks for this day and for our tomorrows  Love, Lyncia   > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > his > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > his > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > another > > > > > brother > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > ago > > I > > > > went > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > pounds. > > > > > They > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > > shape > > > > > when > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > couple > > > > > more > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > pill > > > > > which I > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > 20 > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but > my > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > > for > > > > > having > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > > yard > > > > but > > > > > is > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps > a > > > > > little. > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > > About > > > 8 > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > anything.. > > > He > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > him > > > > about > > > > > my > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > > plant > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything > to > > > > drink > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > comments, > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 my oldest son was a Spanish linguist in the marines. He said there are so many different dialects and that makes it so hard!                                                                            Love,Jill  We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 12:12:07 AM Subject: Re: My story  They teach classic Spanish here and then you cannot understand the Mexican speech. That doesn't make sense. Thanks for this day and for our tomorrows  Love, Lyncia   > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > his > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > his > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > another > > > > > brother > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > ago > > I > > > > went > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > pounds. > > > > > They > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > > shape > > > > > when > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > couple > > > > > more > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > pill > > > > > which I > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > 20 > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but > my > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > > for > > > > > having > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > > yard > > > > but > > > > > is > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps > a > > > > > little. > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > > About > > > 8 > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > anything.. > > > He > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > him > > > > about > > > > > my > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > > plant > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything > to > > > > drink > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > comments, > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Yes cominf from Texas then living in Florida......Many Thanks for this day and for our tomorrows  Love, Lyncia   > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > his > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > his > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > another > > > > > brother > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > ago > > I > > > > went > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > pounds. > > > > > They > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > > shape > > > > > when > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > couple > > > > > more > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > pill > > > > > which I > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > 20 > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but > my > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > > for > > > > > having > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > > yard > > > > but > > > > > is > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps > a > > > > > little. > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > > About > > > 8 > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > anything.. > > > He > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > him > > > > about > > > > > my > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > > plant > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything > to > > > > drink > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > comments, > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 And if you make a mistake on the dialect, it can be embarrassing. I was at a Spanish Club party at the home of our Spanish teacher, and all the Spanish speaking exchange students in town had been invited. We were making pop corn and some one translated " old maid " meaning unpopped kernel into Spanish. Another student was irate because in his dialect that was a cuss word. Jan H On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Jill wrote: > my oldest son was a Spanish linguist in the marines. He said there are so > many different dialects and that makes it so hard! > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take > our breath away. > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: livercirrhosissupport > Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 12:12:07 AM > Subject: Re: My story > > > They teach classic Spanish here and then you cannot understand the Mexican > speech. That doesn't make sense. > > Thanks for this day and for our tomorrows > > Love, Lyncia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > > his > > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > > his > > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > > another > > > > > > brother > > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > > ago > > > I > > > > > went > > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > > pounds. > > > > > > They > > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty > bad > > > > shape > > > > > > when > > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > > couple > > > > > > more > > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > > pill > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day > but > > my > > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape > except > > > for > > > > > > having > > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow > the > > > yard > > > > > but > > > > > > is > > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that > helps > > a > > > > > > little. > > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in > a > > > > couple > > > > > > of > > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > > > About > > > > 8 > > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > > anything.. > > > > He > > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > > him > > > > > about > > > > > > my > > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when > my > > > > plant > > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had > anything > > to > > > > > drink > > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > > comments, > > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Oh my gosh..I'd say too funny, but maybe it wasn't funny at the time! How confusing!                                                                            Love,Jill  We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 1:02:15 AM Subject: Re: My story  And if you make a mistake on the dialect, it can be embarrassing. I was at a Spanish Club party at the home of our Spanish teacher, and all the Spanish speaking exchange students in town had been invited. We were making pop corn and some one translated " old maid " meaning unpopped kernel into Spanish. Another student was irate because in his dialect that was a cuss word. Jan H On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com>wrote: > my oldest son was a Spanish linguist in the marines. He said there are so > many different dialects and that makes it so hard! > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take > our breath away. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Lyncia <lmlangdonyahoo (DOT) com> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 12:12:07 AM > Subject: Re: My story > > > They teach classic Spanish here and then you cannot understand the Mexican > speech. That doesn't make sense. > > Thanks for this day and for our tomorrows > > Love, Lyncia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > > his > > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > > his > > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > > another > > > > > > brother > > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > > ago > > > I > > > > > went > > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > > pounds. > > > > > > They > > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty > bad > > > > shape > > > > > > when > > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > > couple > > > > > > more > > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > > pill > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day > but > > my > > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape > except > > > for > > > > > > having > > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow > the > > > yard > > > > > but > > > > > > is > > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that > helps > > a > > > > > > little. > > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in > a > > > > couple > > > > > > of > > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > > > About > > > > 8 > > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > > anything.. > > > > He > > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > > him > > > > > about > > > > > > my > > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when > my > > > > plant > > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had > anything > > to > > > > > drink > > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > > comments, > > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Surprising!! The Spanish client went to Mexico with her son and never mentioned if she had difficulty with the Mexican dialect. Gloria ________________________________ They teach classic Spanish here and then you cannot understand the Mexican speech. That doesn't make sense. Thanks for this day and for our tomorrows Love, Lyncia > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > his > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > his > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > another > > > > > brother > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > ago > > I > > > > went > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > pounds. > > > > > They > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > > shape > > > > > when > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > couple > > > > > more > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > pill > > > > > which I > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > 20 > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but > my > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > > for > > > > > having > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > > yard > > > > but > > > > > is > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps > a > > > > > little. > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > > About > > > 8 > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > anything.. > > > He > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > him > > > > about > > > > > my > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > > plant > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything > to > > > > drink > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > comments, > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 If you have ancestry of any of the five civilized tribes whom were removed from thier homlands by to Oklahoma, well, the families' names were all written down. This is why there are so many anglo looking Cherokees and Creeks, and Chocktaws and Chickasaw and Seminole who are " legal Indians " .. Many native people cannot trace any lineage for a variety of reasons, but my ex wife wrote to the Cherokee tribe in Okalahoma, and requested citizenshipn in the tribe based on her Grandma's blood. The tribe accepted her and my daughter in to the tribe. My daughter used her federal Indian card to get her drivers licence! She went to Fort , a largly Indian college down in Durango for free tuition, and said " dad, I dont feel indian, and these people are REAL indians! I told her " dont worry, hun you are a real indian too. Lyncia, here is the website to the Cherokee nation. It starts here. Love, Bobby http://www.cherokee.org/ long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 6:03:26 PM Subject: Re: My story Bobby I envy you about your knowledge of your family. I have always wanted to know more about the Indian side and was discouraged. Thanks for this day and for our tomorrows Love, Lyncia > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in his > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in his > > > > fifties. > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have another > > > > brother > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months ago > I > > > went > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > pounds. > > > > They > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > shape > > > > when > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > couple > > > > more > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > pill > > > > which I > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > 20 > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but my > > > > ammonia > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > for > > > > having > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > yard > > > but > > > > is > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps a > > > > little. > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > couple > > > > of > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > About > > 8 > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > anything.. > > He > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told him > > > about > > > > my > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > plant > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything to > > > drink > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > comments, > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > web address: > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Bobby I know a few First Nations people here, that their ancestry is very apparent; but, if they can't get the names of their grandparents they are SOL for status. Yet, I know a lot of those blond, blue-eyed Metis especially. My husband has not really had much interest in his own native background (just because he wasn't looking for a free ride); but, a number of his sibs etc. have done some searching. I know his son was doing a search too, if only to help the grandson obtain a free education. Personally, I am opposed to that!! Hubby's native background is something like 1/16th, so why would his grandson, who would be a lot lower down the totem pole be able to qualify for free post secondary?? That's not what the Education Fund was set up to do at all and it's like taking advantage. I have also said - if it did indeed become possible for my grandson, then why shouldn't my son qualify as a step-son??? There is unfortunately, one certain thing on my side!! The only way I could have any native blood, is if a buck or two rowed their canoe across the Atlantic and got mixed up with my family. However, I trust that those prejudiced days are long gone and the no matter what tribe anyone is from in all of North America - someone hopefully is still teaching the old ways and the old language. Gloria ________________________________ If you have ancestry of any of the five civilized tribes whom were removed from thier homlands by to Oklahoma, well, the families' names were all written down. This is why there are so many anglo looking Cherokees and Creeks, and Chocktaws and Chickasaw and Seminole who are " legal Indians " .. Many native people cannot trace any lineage for a variety of reasons, but my ex wife wrote to the Cherokee tribe in Okalahoma, and requested citizenshipn in the tribe based on her Grandma's blood. The tribe accepted her and my daughter in to the tribe. My daughter used her federal Indian card to get her drivers licence! She went to Fort , a largly Indian college down in Durango for free tuition, and said " dad, I dont feel indian, and these people are REAL indians! I told her " dont worry, hun you are a real indian too. Lyncia, here is the website to the Cherokee nation. It starts here. Love, Bobby http://www.cherokee .org/ long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Lyncia <lmlangdonyahoo (DOT) com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 6:03:26 PM Subject: Re: My story Bobby I envy you about your knowledge of your family. I have always wanted to know more about the Indian side and was discouraged. Thanks for this day and for our tomorrows Love, Lyncia > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in his > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in his > > > > fifties. > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have another > > > > brother > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months ago > I > > > went > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > pounds. > > > > They > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > shape > > > > when > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > couple > > > > more > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > pill > > > > which I > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > 20 > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but my > > > > ammonia > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > for > > > > having > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > yard > > > but > > > > is > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps a > > > > little. > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > couple > > > > of > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > About > > 8 > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > anything.. > > He > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told him > > > about > > > > my > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > plant > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything to > > > drink > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > comments, > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > web address: > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 It might suprise you to know that the Indians on both sides of my family tree were from the Mackenzie river basin in Canada. http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~anth4206/206/module_08pr.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie_River love,Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 5:48:20 PM Subject: Re: My story Bobby Well one thing we have to know for sure - you have to have the longest ancestry line in North America, of us all here so far!! Gloria ____________ _________ _________ __ My mom's dad was named , a long time alcoholic who was half apache and half Spanish. Her mom was full blooded Spanish, and her Grandma's sisters were blond hair blue eyes. The blond sisters were allowed to go in the theatre through the front door, and the dark haired ones were not. This was in Denver in the 1950's. My father's dad was half Navajo, and half spanish settler. His mom was mostly Spanish. They were originally from Taos New Mexico. somewhere along the way they migrated north to Trinidad, Colorado. In the 60's , my dad's entire family eventually moved north to Colorado Springs and on to Denver. Then my dad met my mom. I learned to speak Apache in 1995. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:45:14 AM Subject: Re: My story two of my granddaughters have Emerson in their family tree, not a direct descendant. I don't think he would be too proud of his great (lots more greats) nephew if he were here today. Jan H On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Murch <linda.murch@ yahoo.com> wrote: > My family came over on the May Flower. His name was Digory Priest, he died > the first winter but his wife & children survived. > Later, my Great great ( more greats LOL) grandma was REBECCA NURSE who was > hanged as a witch is Salem Mass. > Then we're related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, I lost the trail after that. I > know about Digory because we were in the Mayflower Society, a group of > descendants. > I'm German, English French & got ALL the bad genes in my family tree LOL ! > Love you all > tillytitmouse > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in his > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in his > > > > fifties. > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have another > > > > brother > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months ago > I > > > went > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > pounds. > > > > They > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > shape > > > > when > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > couple > > > > more > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > pill > > > > which I > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > 20 > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but my > > > > ammonia > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > for > > > > having > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > yard > > > but > > > > is > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps a > > > > little. > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > couple > > > > of > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > About > > 8 > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > anything.. > > He > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told him > > > about > > > > my > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > plant > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything to > > > drink > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > comments, > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > web address: > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 This is so interesting Bobby! I can say when my ancestors came here...but yours were already here....Watch or I'll get on my soapbox about how absolutely horrid we treated the native Americans. I love hearing about ypur heritage. Thanks!                                                                            Love,Jill  We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 6:13:38 PM Subject: Re: My story  No no not at all. The southern Athapaskan people (Apache, Navajo) are nearly indistinguishable from the people they now live in proximity to. They adapt completely to thier surroundings. A Mescalero would dress like a southern Cheyenne, a Jicarilla ( my lineage) would dress like a Pawnee or Lakota, a Navajo would dress like a Colorado river Indian, such as Maricopa or Pima. The Jicarilla people look just like plains Indians from the mocassins to thier bead work. The thng that still links us to Canada is the language. Athapaskan is still spoken up there and down here.The Athapaskans of the Southwest can actually understand some words used by Indians of British Columbia, the Sekani, Beaver, r, Slave and Chippewyan. love, Bobby (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 2:34:08 PM Subject: Re: My story So, is your family history leaning more toward Inuit (Eskimo) than Native?? Have you ever been to the basin?? That would be a different type of living wouldn't it? A dear friend that just passed away this year worked for several years between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktut. His wife would make the whole family's parkas.... Gloria It might suprise you to know that the Indians on both sides of my family tree were from the Mackenzie river basin in Canada. http://www.ic. arizona.edu/ ~anth4206/ 206/module_ 08pr.htm http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mackenzie_ River love,Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 5:48:20 PM Subject: Re: My story Bobby Well one thing we have to know for sure - you have to have the longest ancestry line in North America, of us all here so far!! Gloria ____________ _________ _________ __ My mom's dad was named , a long time alcoholic who was half apache and half Spanish. Her mom was full blooded Spanish, and her Grandma's sisters were blond hair blue eyes. The blond sisters were allowed to go in the theatre through the front door, and the dark haired ones were not. This was in Denver in the 1950's. My father's dad was half Navajo, and half spanish settler. His mom was mostly Spanish. They were originally from Taos New Mexico. somewhere along the way they migrated north to Trinidad, Colorado. In the 60's , my dad's entire family eventually moved north to Colorado Springs and on to Denver. Then my dad met my mom. I learned to speak Apache in 1995. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:45:14 AM Subject: Re: My story two of my granddaughters have Emerson in their family tree, not a direct descendant. I don't think he would be too proud of his great (lots more greats) nephew if he were here today. Jan H On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Murch <linda.murch@ yahoo.com> wrote: > My family came over on the May Flower. His name was Digory Priest, he died > the first winter but his wife & children survived. > Later, my Great great ( more greats LOL) grandma was REBECCA NURSE who was > hanged as a witch is Salem Mass. > Then we're related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, I lost the trail after that. I > know about Digory because we were in the Mayflower Society, a group of > descendants. > I'm German, English French & got ALL the bad genes in my family tree LOL ! > Love you all > tillytitmouse > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in his > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in his > > > > fifties. > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have another > > > > brother > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months ago > I > > > went > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > pounds. > > > > They > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > shape > > > > when > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > couple > > > > more > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > pill > > > > which I > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > 20 > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but my > > > > ammonia > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > for > > > > having > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > yard > > > but > > > > is > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps a > > > > little. > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > couple > > > > of > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > About > > 8 > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > anything.. > > He > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told him > > > about > > > > my > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > plant > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything to > > > drink > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > comments, > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > web address: > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Bobby - I read that article, very interesting. Made me wonder about some things. Maybe about 50 years ago or so, they started talking about the theory that American Indians were actually Asians, that they had crossed the land bridge between Asia and what is now Alaska. And then some groups migrated across Canada and the US and down into South America. Most of the reaction from the Indians that I heard at the time was negative. They claimed they had always been where they were, except for those who had been moved by the white man which included most Indians in the east. Yet, that article talks about the migration for the Apache and Navajo tribes from Canada to Arizona and New Mexico. I would be interested in hearing your reaction to what I have written. How do you and other Indians you know feel about the theory? Jan H > This is so interesting Bobby! I can say when my ancestors came here...but > yours were already here....Watch or I'll get on my soapbox about how > absolutely horrid we treated the native Americans. I love hearing about ypur > heritage. Thanks! > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take > our breath away. > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: livercirrhosissupport > Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 6:13:38 PM > Subject: Re: My story > > > No no not at all. The southern Athapaskan people (Apache, Navajo) are > nearly indistinguishable from the people they now live in proximity to. They > adapt completely to thier surroundings. A Mescalero would dress like a > southern Cheyenne, a Jicarilla ( my lineage) would dress like a Pawnee or > Lakota, a Navajo would dress like a Colorado river Indian, such as Maricopa > or Pima. The Jicarilla people look just like plains Indians from the > mocassins to thier bead work. The thng that still links us to Canada is the > language. Athapaskan is still spoken up there and down here.The Athapaskans > of the Southwest can > actually understand some words used by Indians of British Columbia, the > Sekani, Beaver, r, Slave and Chippewyan. > > love, Bobby > > (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) > long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 2:34:08 PM > Subject: Re: My story > > So, is your family history leaning more toward Inuit (Eskimo) than Native?? > Have you ever been to the basin?? That would be a different type of living > wouldn't it? A dear friend that just passed away this year worked for > several years between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktut. His wife would make the whole > family's parkas.... > > Gloria > > It might suprise you to know that the Indians on both sides of my family > tree were from the Mackenzie river basin in Canada. > > http://www.ic. arizona.edu/ ~anth4206/ 206/module_ 08pr.htm > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mackenzie_ River > > love,Bobby > > long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 5:48:20 PM > Subject: Re: My story > > Bobby > > Well one thing we have to know for sure - you have to have the longest > ancestry line in North America, of us all here so far!! > > Gloria > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > My mom's dad was named , a long time alcoholic who was half apache > and half Spanish. Her mom was full blooded Spanish, and her Grandma's > sisters were blond hair blue eyes. The blond sisters were allowed to go in > the theatre through the front door, and the dark haired ones were not. This > was in Denver in the 1950's. > > My father's dad was half Navajo, and half spanish settler. His mom was > mostly Spanish. They were originally from Taos New Mexico. somewhere along > the way they migrated north to Trinidad, Colorado. In the 60's , my dad's > entire family eventually moved north to Colorado Springs and on to Denver. > Then my dad met my mom. I learned to speak Apache in 1995. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:45:14 AM > Subject: Re: My story > > two of my granddaughters have Emerson in their family tree, not a direct > descendant. I don't think he would be too proud of his great (lots more > greats) nephew if he were here today. Jan H > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Murch <linda.murch@ yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > My family came over on the May Flower. His name was Digory Priest, he > died > > the first winter but his wife & children survived. > > Later, my Great great ( more greats LOL) grandma was REBECCA NURSE who > was > > hanged as a witch is Salem Mass. > > Then we're related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, I lost the trail after that. I > > know about Digory because we were in the Mayflower Society, a group of > > descendants. > > I'm German, English French & got ALL the bad genes in my family tree LOL > ! > > Love you all > > tillytitmouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > his > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > his > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > another > > > > > brother > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > ago > > I > > > > went > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > pounds. > > > > > They > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > > shape > > > > > when > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > couple > > > > > more > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > pill > > > > > which I > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > 20 > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but > my > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > > for > > > > > having > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > > yard > > > > but > > > > > is > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps > a > > > > > little. > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > > About > > > 8 > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > anything.. > > > He > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > him > > > > about > > > > > my > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > > plant > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything > to > > > > drink > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > comments, > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 It is all a fascinating research subject!! I can usually tell the difference especially say between our Coast Salish and the people of Manitoba, Saskatchewan etc. I believe that there is quite a difference between even our Coast Salish and the Haida's from further up the coast on mainly the Queen Charlotte Islands that are just under Alaska. Gloria ________________________________ No no not at all. The southern Athapaskan people (Apache, Navajo) are nearly indistinguishable from the people they now live in proximity to. They adapt completely to thier surroundings. A Mescalero would dress like a southern Cheyenne, a Jicarilla ( my lineage) would dress like a Pawnee or Lakota, a Navajo would dress like a Colorado river Indian, such as Maricopa or Pima. The Jicarilla people look just like plains Indians from the mocassins to thier bead work. The thng that still links us to Canada is the language. Athapaskan is still spoken up there and down here.The Athapaskans of the Southwest can actually understand some words used by Indians of British Columbia, the Sekani, Beaver, r, Slave and Chippewyan. love, Bobby (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 2:34:08 PM Subject: Re: My story So, is your family history leaning more toward Inuit (Eskimo) than Native?? Have you ever been to the basin?? That would be a different type of living wouldn't it? A dear friend that just passed away this year worked for several years between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktut. His wife would make the whole family's parkas.... Gloria It might suprise you to know that the Indians on both sides of my family tree were from the Mackenzie river basin in Canada. http://www.ic. arizona.edu/ ~anth4206/ 206/module_ 08pr.htm http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mackenzie_ River love,Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 5:48:20 PM Subject: Re: My story Bobby Well one thing we have to know for sure - you have to have the longest ancestry line in North America, of us all here so far!! Gloria ____________ _________ _________ __ My mom's dad was named , a long time alcoholic who was half apache and half Spanish. Her mom was full blooded Spanish, and her Grandma's sisters were blond hair blue eyes. The blond sisters were allowed to go in the theatre through the front door, and the dark haired ones were not. This was in Denver in the 1950's. My father's dad was half Navajo, and half spanish settler. His mom was mostly Spanish. They were originally from Taos New Mexico. somewhere along the way they migrated north to Trinidad, Colorado. In the 60's , my dad's entire family eventually moved north to Colorado Springs and on to Denver. Then my dad met my mom. I learned to speak Apache in 1995. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:45:14 AM Subject: Re: My story two of my granddaughters have Emerson in their family tree, not a direct descendant. I don't think he would be too proud of his great (lots more greats) nephew if he were here today. Jan H On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Murch <linda.murch@ yahoo.com> wrote: > My family came over on the May Flower. His name was Digory Priest, he died > the first winter but his wife & children survived. > Later, my Great great ( more greats LOL) grandma was REBECCA NURSE who was > hanged as a witch is Salem Mass. > Then we're related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, I lost the trail after that. I > know about Digory because we were in the Mayflower Society, a group of > descendants. > I'm German, English French & got ALL the bad genes in my family tree LOL ! > Love you all > tillytitmouse > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in his > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in his > > > > fifties. > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have another > > > > brother > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months ago > I > > > went > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > pounds. > > > > They > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > shape > > > > when > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > couple > > > > more > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > pill > > > > which I > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > 20 > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but my > > > > ammonia > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > for > > > > having > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > yard > > > but > > > > is > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps a > > > > little. > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > couple > > > > of > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > About > > 8 > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > anything.. > > He > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told him > > > about > > > > my > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > plant > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything to > > > drink > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > comments, > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > web address: > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 You know the questions I had about that theory??? Why was it that they had to come up with a theory like that and not just accept that the Native People have always been here? What about the peoples of Central and South America as well? They have a very similar look to our Natives. Finally though, are those theorists suggesting something like that because of the biblical belief of how man was created?? Gloria ________________________________ Bobby - I read that article, very interesting. Made me wonder about some things. Maybe about 50 years ago or so, they started talking about the theory that American Indians were actually Asians, that they had crossed the land bridge between Asia and what is now Alaska. And then some groups migrated across Canada and the US and down into South America. Most of the reaction from the Indians that I heard at the time was negative. They claimed they had always been where they were, except for those who had been moved by the white man which included most Indians in the east. Yet, that article talks about the migration for the Apache and Navajo tribes from Canada to Arizona and New Mexico. I would be interested in hearing your reaction to what I have written. How do you and other Indians you know feel about the theory? Jan H On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> wrote: > This is so interesting Bobby! I can say when my ancestors came here...but > yours were already here....Watch or I'll get on my soapbox about how > absolutely horrid we treated the native Americans. I love hearing about ypur > heritage. Thanks! > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take > our breath away. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 6:13:38 PM > Subject: Re: My story > > > No no not at all. The southern Athapaskan people (Apache, Navajo) are > nearly indistinguishable from the people they now live in proximity to. They > adapt completely to thier surroundings. A Mescalero would dress like a > southern Cheyenne, a Jicarilla ( my lineage) would dress like a Pawnee or > Lakota, a Navajo would dress like a Colorado river Indian, such as Maricopa > or Pima. The Jicarilla people look just like plains Indians from the > mocassins to thier bead work. The thng that still links us to Canada is the > language. Athapaskan is still spoken up there and down here.The Athapaskans > of the Southwest can > actually understand some words used by Indians of British Columbia, the > Sekani, Beaver, r, Slave and Chippewyan. > > love, Bobby > > (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) > long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 2:34:08 PM > Subject: Re: My story > > So, is your family history leaning more toward Inuit (Eskimo) than Native?? > Have you ever been to the basin?? That would be a different type of living > wouldn't it? A dear friend that just passed away this year worked for > several years between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktut. His wife would make the whole > family's parkas.... > > Gloria > > It might suprise you to know that the Indians on both sides of my family > tree were from the Mackenzie river basin in Canada. > > http://www.ic. arizona.edu/ ~anth4206/ 206/module_ 08pr.htm > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mackenzie_ River > > love,Bobby > > long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 5:48:20 PM > Subject: Re: My story > > Bobby > > Well one thing we have to know for sure - you have to have the longest > ancestry line in North America, of us all here so far!! > > Gloria > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > My mom's dad was named , a long time alcoholic who was half apache > and half Spanish. Her mom was full blooded Spanish, and her Grandma's > sisters were blond hair blue eyes. The blond sisters were allowed to go in > the theatre through the front door, and the dark haired ones were not. This > was in Denver in the 1950's. > > My father's dad was half Navajo, and half spanish settler. His mom was > mostly Spanish. They were originally from Taos New Mexico. somewhere along > the way they migrated north to Trinidad, Colorado. In the 60's , my dad's > entire family eventually moved north to Colorado Springs and on to Denver. > Then my dad met my mom. I learned to speak Apache in 1995. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:45:14 AM > Subject: Re: My story > > two of my granddaughters have Emerson in their family tree, not a direct > descendant. I don't think he would be too proud of his great (lots more > greats) nephew if he were here today. Jan H > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Murch <linda.murch@ yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > My family came over on the May Flower. His name was Digory Priest, he > died > > the first winter but his wife & children survived. > > Later, my Great great ( more greats LOL) grandma was REBECCA NURSE who > was > > hanged as a witch is Salem Mass. > > Then we're related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, I lost the trail after that. I > > know about Digory because we were in the Mayflower Society, a group of > > descendants. > > I'm German, English French & got ALL the bad genes in my family tree LOL > ! > > Love you all > > tillytitmouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > his > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > his > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > another > > > > > brother > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > ago > > I > > > > went > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > pounds. > > > > > They > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > > shape > > > > > when > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > couple > > > > > more > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > pill > > > > > which I > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > 20 > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but > my > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > > for > > > > > having > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > > yard > > > > but > > > > > is > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps > a > > > > > little. > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > > About > > > 8 > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > anything.. > > > He > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > him > > > > about > > > > > my > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > > plant > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything > to > > > > drink > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > comments, > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I don't remember if it was based on the biblical belief that man started in one place and after the jews were driven out of Israel they scattered to all the earth. But it would fit in with that. I was married to a Bohunk and I was surprised by the similarity of some of the foods to the ones I grew up with in my Norwegian community. And they have traced all languages to no more than three roots all coming out of Western Asia. It makes you think. There is no reason they couldn't have migrated into South America too. Jan H > You know the questions I had about that theory??? > > Why was it that they had to come up with a theory like that and not just > accept that the Native People have always been here? What about the peoples > of Central and South America as well? They have a very similar look to our > Natives. > > Finally though, are those theorists suggesting something like that because > of the biblical belief of how man was created?? > > Gloria > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Bobby - I read that article, very interesting. Made me wonder about some > things. Maybe about 50 years ago or so, they started talking about the > theory that American Indians were actually Asians, that they had crossed > the > land bridge between Asia and what is now Alaska. And then some groups > migrated across Canada and the US and down into South America. Most of > the > reaction from the Indians that I heard at the time was negative. They > claimed they had always been where they were, except for those who had been > moved by the white man which included most Indians in the east. Yet, that > article talks about the migration for the Apache and Navajo tribes from > Canada to Arizona and New Mexico. I would be interested in hearing your > reaction to what I have written. How do you and other Indians you know > feel > about the theory? Jan H > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > This is so interesting Bobby! I can say when my ancestors came here...but > > yours were already here....Watch or I'll get on my soapbox about how > > absolutely horrid we treated the native Americans. I love hearing about > ypur > > heritage. Thanks! > > > > > > Love,Jill > > > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take > > our breath away. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 6:13:38 PM > > Subject: Re: My story > > > > > > No no not at all. The southern Athapaskan people (Apache, Navajo) are > > nearly indistinguishable from the people they now live in proximity to. > They > > adapt completely to thier surroundings. A Mescalero would dress like a > > southern Cheyenne, a Jicarilla ( my lineage) would dress like a Pawnee or > > Lakota, a Navajo would dress like a Colorado river Indian, such as > Maricopa > > or Pima. The Jicarilla people look just like plains Indians from the > > mocassins to thier bead work. The thng that still links us to Canada is > the > > language. Athapaskan is still spoken up there and down here.The > Athapaskans > > of the Southwest can > > actually understand some words used by Indians of British Columbia, the > > Sekani, Beaver, r, Slave and Chippewyan. > > > > love, Bobby > > > > (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) > > long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 2:34:08 PM > > Subject: Re: My story > > > > So, is your family history leaning more toward Inuit (Eskimo) than > Native?? > > Have you ever been to the basin?? That would be a different type of > living > > wouldn't it? A dear friend that just passed away this year worked for > > several years between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktut. His wife would make the > whole > > family's parkas.... > > > > Gloria > > > > It might suprise you to know that the Indians on both sides of my family > > tree were from the Mackenzie river basin in Canada. > > > > http://www.ic. arizona.edu/ ~anth4206/ 206/module_ 08pr.htm > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mackenzie_ River > > > > love,Bobby > > > > long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 5:48:20 PM > > Subject: Re: My story > > > > Bobby > > > > Well one thing we have to know for sure - you have to have the longest > > ancestry line in North America, of us all here so far!! > > > > Gloria > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > My mom's dad was named , a long time alcoholic who was half apache > > and half Spanish. Her mom was full blooded Spanish, and her Grandma's > > sisters were blond hair blue eyes. The blond sisters were allowed to go > in > > the theatre through the front door, and the dark haired ones were not. > This > > was in Denver in the 1950's. > > > > My father's dad was half Navajo, and half spanish settler. His mom was > > mostly Spanish. They were originally from Taos New Mexico. somewhere > along > > the way they migrated north to Trinidad, Colorado. In the 60's , my dad's > > entire family eventually moved north to Colorado Springs and on to > Denver. > > Then my dad met my mom. I learned to speak Apache in 1995. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:45:14 AM > > Subject: Re: My story > > > > two of my granddaughters have Emerson in their family tree, not a direct > > descendant. I don't think he would be too proud of his great (lots more > > greats) nephew if he were here today. Jan H > > > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Murch <linda.murch@ yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > > > My family came over on the May Flower. His name was Digory Priest, he > > died > > > the first winter but his wife & children survived. > > > Later, my Great great ( more greats LOL) grandma was REBECCA NURSE who > > was > > > hanged as a witch is Salem Mass. > > > Then we're related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, I lost the trail after that. > I > > > know about Digory because we were in the Mayflower Society, a group of > > > descendants. > > > I'm German, English French & got ALL the bad genes in my family tree > LOL > > ! > > > Love you all > > > tillytitmouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > > his > > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > > his > > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > > another > > > > > > brother > > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > > ago > > > I > > > > > went > > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > > pounds. > > > > > > They > > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty > bad > > > > shape > > > > > > when > > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > > couple > > > > > > more > > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > > pill > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day > but > > my > > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape > except > > > for > > > > > > having > > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow > the > > > yard > > > > > but > > > > > > is > > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that > helps > > a > > > > > > little. > > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in > a > > > > couple > > > > > > of > > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > > > About > > > > 8 > > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > > anything.. > > > > He > > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > > him > > > > > about > > > > > > my > > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when > my > > > > plant > > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had > anything > > to > > > > > drink > > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > > comments, > > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Jill, I lived with a lot of confusing feelings. To know that my ancestors (Spanish against natives) so brutalized each other is a sobering thought. The Spanish settlers of New Mexico were given no quarter by the Apache and Navajo, and even the Apache and Navajo made an art form of warring with each other. If you go to a modern pow wow, and eaves drop, you will still get a good feeling for the animosity that still exists to this day. I was asked to teach different Indian children from several local tribes the skill of bow and arrow making, and thier parents looked at me like I was from Mars. I found out later it was because the Northern Arapaho and Pawnee, Sioux, and others were attacked by the eastern Apache often only one hundred fifty years ago. They still harbor a lot of grudge, and it is no joke. I felt like thier anger was directed right at me and boy was that a mix of strange feelings, including a strange sense of pride. In fact, among all of the Indians I have met at traditional events such as pow wows, there is far far more distrust between the tribes and nations than I would have ever thought. It felt kind of like when we visited Fort Union ruins in New Mexico. To think that they had gone to the trouble of building this huge fort- boy , they must have been really scared. I know I would have been. The women went insane because of the oppresive heat and bugs and constant threat of Indian attack. One of my favorite stories is of a raid against the Kiowa east of Springer New Mexico just before the turn of the century- The Jicarillas crept in after dusk after walking hundreds of miles on foot, and stole every horse, leaving their mocassins tied to their lances (spears) stuck in the ground. What an insult that must have been! As if to say " you rode, we walked, now we ride, you walk! " I try to think of the entire experience of history as a whole instead of pieces and parts. The best thing I think we all can do is teach our heritage to our young, be them Norwegian, French or Apache or whatever. We are all related anyway. Love, Bobby (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 7:23:09 PM Subject: Re: My story This is so interesting Bobby! I can say when my ancestors came here...but yours were already here....Watch or I'll get on my soapbox about how absolutely horrid we treated the native Americans. I love hearing about ypur heritage. Thanks! Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 6:13:38 PM Subject: Re: My story No no not at all. The southern Athapaskan people (Apache, Navajo) are nearly indistinguishable from the people they now live in proximity to. They adapt completely to thier surroundings. A Mescalero would dress like a southern Cheyenne, a Jicarilla ( my lineage) would dress like a Pawnee or Lakota, a Navajo would dress like a Colorado river Indian, such as Maricopa or Pima. The Jicarilla people look just like plains Indians from the mocassins to thier bead work. The thng that still links us to Canada is the language. Athapaskan is still spoken up there and down here.The Athapaskans of the Southwest can actually understand some words used by Indians of British Columbia, the Sekani, Beaver, r, Slave and Chippewyan. love, Bobby (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 2:34:08 PM Subject: Re: My story So, is your family history leaning more toward Inuit (Eskimo) than Native?? Have you ever been to the basin?? That would be a different type of living wouldn't it? A dear friend that just passed away this year worked for several years between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktut. His wife would make the whole family's parkas.... Gloria It might suprise you to know that the Indians on both sides of my family tree were from the Mackenzie river basin in Canada. http://www.ic. arizona.edu/ ~anth4206/ 206/module_ 08pr.htm http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mackenzie_ River love,Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 5:48:20 PM Subject: Re: My story Bobby Well one thing we have to know for sure - you have to have the longest ancestry line in North America, of us all here so far!! Gloria ____________ _________ _________ __ My mom's dad was named , a long time alcoholic who was half apache and half Spanish. Her mom was full blooded Spanish, and her Grandma's sisters were blond hair blue eyes. The blond sisters were allowed to go in the theatre through the front door, and the dark haired ones were not. This was in Denver in the 1950's. My father's dad was half Navajo, and half spanish settler. His mom was mostly Spanish. They were originally from Taos New Mexico. somewhere along the way they migrated north to Trinidad, Colorado. In the 60's , my dad's entire family eventually moved north to Colorado Springs and on to Denver. Then my dad met my mom. I learned to speak Apache in 1995. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:45:14 AM Subject: Re: My story two of my granddaughters have Emerson in their family tree, not a direct descendant. I don't think he would be too proud of his great (lots more greats) nephew if he were here today. Jan H On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Murch <linda.murch@ yahoo.com> wrote: > My family came over on the May Flower. His name was Digory Priest, he died > the first winter but his wife & children survived. > Later, my Great great ( more greats LOL) grandma was REBECCA NURSE who was > hanged as a witch is Salem Mass. > Then we're related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, I lost the trail after that. I > know about Digory because we were in the Mayflower Society, a group of > descendants. > I'm German, English French & got ALL the bad genes in my family tree LOL ! > Love you all > tillytitmouse > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in his > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in his > > > > fifties. > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have another > > > > brother > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months ago > I > > > went > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > pounds. > > > > They > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > shape > > > > when > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > couple > > > > more > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > pill > > > > which I > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > 20 > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but my > > > > ammonia > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > for > > > > having > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > yard > > > but > > > > is > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps a > > > > little. > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > couple > > > > of > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > About > > 8 > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > anything.. > > He > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told him > > > about > > > > my > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > plant > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything to > > > drink > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > comments, > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > web address: > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I think that it is silly to hang on to a belief which is emotional and not rational. It make a lot more sense to me that American Indians came here from Asia, you can see it in the features. To deny it is an emotional response brought on by intense and harmful adoration. Other Indians I know believe in the Asian land bridge throry. Another thing- Ancient horses once roamed here according to fossil evidence. But prior to European contact, there were no modern horses, and Indians were amazed at the " magic dog " which turned all life upside down from then on. Besides , we just saw on History channel last night that at one time all the continents were joined. And none of us here were alive at that time so we will never know for sure. All we can do is guess. Everyone needs to see " District 9 " . It is a really good movie. We bought it for Christmas. Amazing. love, Bobby (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 7:51:10 PM Subject: Re: My story Bobby - I read that article, very interesting. Made me wonder about some things. Maybe about 50 years ago or so, they started talking about the theory that American Indians were actually Asians, that they had crossed the land bridge between Asia and what is now Alaska. And then some groups migrated across Canada and the US and down into South America. Most of the reaction from the Indians that I heard at the time was negative. They claimed they had always been where they were, except for those who had been moved by the white man which included most Indians in the east. Yet, that article talks about the migration for the Apache and Navajo tribes from Canada to Arizona and New Mexico. I would be interested in hearing your reaction to what I have written. How do you and other Indians you know feel about the theory? Jan H On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> wrote: > This is so interesting Bobby! I can say when my ancestors came here...but > yours were already here....Watch or I'll get on my soapbox about how > absolutely horrid we treated the native Americans. I love hearing about ypur > heritage. Thanks! > > > Love,Jill > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take > our breath away. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 6:13:38 PM > Subject: Re: My story > > > No no not at all. The southern Athapaskan people (Apache, Navajo) are > nearly indistinguishable from the people they now live in proximity to. They > adapt completely to thier surroundings. A Mescalero would dress like a > southern Cheyenne, a Jicarilla ( my lineage) would dress like a Pawnee or > Lakota, a Navajo would dress like a Colorado river Indian, such as Maricopa > or Pima. The Jicarilla people look just like plains Indians from the > mocassins to thier bead work. The thng that still links us to Canada is the > language. Athapaskan is still spoken up there and down here.The Athapaskans > of the Southwest can > actually understand some words used by Indians of British Columbia, the > Sekani, Beaver, r, Slave and Chippewyan. > > love, Bobby > > (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) > long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 2:34:08 PM > Subject: Re: My story > > So, is your family history leaning more toward Inuit (Eskimo) than Native?? > Have you ever been to the basin?? That would be a different type of living > wouldn't it? A dear friend that just passed away this year worked for > several years between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktut. His wife would make the whole > family's parkas.... > > Gloria > > It might suprise you to know that the Indians on both sides of my family > tree were from the Mackenzie river basin in Canada. > > http://www.ic. arizona.edu/ ~anth4206/ 206/module_ 08pr.htm > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mackenzie_ River > > love,Bobby > > long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 5:48:20 PM > Subject: Re: My story > > Bobby > > Well one thing we have to know for sure - you have to have the longest > ancestry line in North America, of us all here so far!! > > Gloria > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > My mom's dad was named , a long time alcoholic who was half apache > and half Spanish. Her mom was full blooded Spanish, and her Grandma's > sisters were blond hair blue eyes. The blond sisters were allowed to go in > the theatre through the front door, and the dark haired ones were not. This > was in Denver in the 1950's. > > My father's dad was half Navajo, and half spanish settler. His mom was > mostly Spanish. They were originally from Taos New Mexico. somewhere along > the way they migrated north to Trinidad, Colorado. In the 60's , my dad's > entire family eventually moved north to Colorado Springs and on to Denver. > Then my dad met my mom. I learned to speak Apache in 1995. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:45:14 AM > Subject: Re: My story > > two of my granddaughters have Emerson in their family tree, not a direct > descendant. I don't think he would be too proud of his great (lots more > greats) nephew if he were here today. Jan H > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Murch <linda.murch@ yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > My family came over on the May Flower. His name was Digory Priest, he > died > > the first winter but his wife & children survived. > > Later, my Great great ( more greats LOL) grandma was REBECCA NURSE who > was > > hanged as a witch is Salem Mass. > > Then we're related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, I lost the trail after that. I > > know about Digory because we were in the Mayflower Society, a group of > > descendants. > > I'm German, English French & got ALL the bad genes in my family tree LOL > ! > > Love you all > > tillytitmouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > his > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > his > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > another > > > > > brother > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > ago > > I > > > > went > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > pounds. > > > > > They > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > > shape > > > > > when > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > couple > > > > > more > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > pill > > > > > which I > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > 20 > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but > my > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > > for > > > > > having > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > > yard > > > > but > > > > > is > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps > a > > > > > little. > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > > About > > > 8 > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > anything.. > > > He > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > him > > > > about > > > > > my > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > > plant > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything > to > > > > drink > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > comments, > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Springer and around Springer is where our family came from.....Grandparents buried there. Thanks for this day and for our tomorrows  Love, Lyncia   > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in his > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in his > > > > fifties. > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have another > > > > brother > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months ago > I > > > went > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > pounds. > > > > They > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > shape > > > > when > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > couple > > > > more > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > pill > > > > which I > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > 20 > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but my > > > > ammonia > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > for > > > > having > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > yard > > > but > > > > is > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps a > > > > little. > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > couple > > > > of > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > About > > 8 > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > anything.. > > He > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told him > > > about > > > > my > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > plant > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything to > > > drink > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > comments, > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > web address: > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 This ancestor history thread has been so interesting and enlighenting! You're right,Bobby....no matter where we came from, it is so importamnt to teach our children and grandchildren about our past...good or bad! We've gone to Pow Wows ...They are always interesting. Once they had Ed dance with them because it was a dance honoring veterns and law enforcement( it was right after 9/11) ...and once I was given a gift of cloth at one. Even tho we're not Indian, they were always very gracious to us and made us feel welcome.  For those who have never been to a Pow Wow., you should! The outfits are amazingly beautiful, the artwork is incredible,you will learn how to throw a spear,drum and other things. .. Go visit one!                                                                           Love,Jill  We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ________________________________ To: livercirrhosissupport Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 2:36:31 AM Subject: Re: My story  Springer and around Springer is where our family came from.....Grandparen ts buried there. Thanks for this day and for our tomorrows  Love, Lyncia   > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in his > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in his > > > > fifties. > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have another > > > > brother > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months ago > I > > > went > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > pounds. > > > > They > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > shape > > > > when > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > couple > > > > more > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > pill > > > > which I > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > 20 > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but my > > > > ammonia > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > for > > > > having > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > yard > > > but > > > > is > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps a > > > > little. > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > couple > > > > of > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > About > > 8 > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > anything.. > > He > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told him > > > about > > > > my > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > plant > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything to > > > drink > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > comments, > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > web address: > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 As a teenage, my son presenting his rebellion at even going to school! It's awful when you know that you have a bright child but they would rather stand in the smoke pit at school, than attend a class. So finally I gave him an ultimatum. Either attend the little Baptist School in the area or get a job and start paying to live here. Well, he choose the Christian School and was there about 2-1/2 yrs. There was a time, the the students were challenging the minister about the two beliefs. I can only imagine that my son was heavy into that challenge and it was absolutely awesome to see him coming in from school and directly to the computer to research these theories. Now, this was a kid that had no Christian training whatsoever prior to this and so was only taught the evolution. After a few weeks, he was telling me that he thought he might have a theory of his own and that was, when it says that God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th. How could we little humans possibly know how long a day is in God's terms??? Then the minister invited another minister up for a visit from the states. Prior to going into his ministry, he had been a geologist. As he said - there is absolutely no doubt about the fossils from ancient times etc., especially proving the age of the dinosaurs. But, he says - whose to say how long a day is in God's time??? Gloria ________________________________ I don't remember if it was based on the biblical belief that man started in one place and after the jews were driven out of Israel they scattered to all the earth. But it would fit in with that. I was married to a Bohunk and I was surprised by the similarity of some of the foods to the ones I grew up with in my Norwegian community. And they have traced all languages to no more than three roots all coming out of Western Asia. It makes you think. There is no reason they couldn't have migrated into South America too. Jan H On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> wrote: > You know the questions I had about that theory??? > > Why was it that they had to come up with a theory like that and not just > accept that the Native People have always been here? What about the peoples > of Central and South America as well? They have a very similar look to our > Natives. > > Finally though, are those theorists suggesting something like that because > of the biblical belief of how man was created?? > > Gloria > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Bobby - I read that article, very interesting. Made me wonder about some > things. Maybe about 50 years ago or so, they started talking about the > theory that American Indians were actually Asians, that they had crossed > the > land bridge between Asia and what is now Alaska. And then some groups > migrated across Canada and the US and down into South America. Most of > the > reaction from the Indians that I heard at the time was negative. They > claimed they had always been where they were, except for those who had been > moved by the white man which included most Indians in the east. Yet, that > article talks about the migration for the Apache and Navajo tribes from > Canada to Arizona and New Mexico. I would be interested in hearing your > reaction to what I have written. How do you and other Indians you know > feel > about the theory? Jan H > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > This is so interesting Bobby! I can say when my ancestors came here...but > > yours were already here....Watch or I'll get on my soapbox about how > > absolutely horrid we treated the native Americans. I love hearing about > ypur > > heritage. Thanks! > > > > > > Love,Jill > > > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take > > our breath away. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 6:13:38 PM > > Subject: Re: My story > > > > > > No no not at all. The southern Athapaskan people (Apache, Navajo) are > > nearly indistinguishable from the people they now live in proximity to. > They > > adapt completely to thier surroundings. A Mescalero would dress like a > > southern Cheyenne, a Jicarilla ( my lineage) would dress like a Pawnee or > > Lakota, a Navajo would dress like a Colorado river Indian, such as > Maricopa > > or Pima. The Jicarilla people look just like plains Indians from the > > mocassins to thier bead work. The thng that still links us to Canada is > the > > language. Athapaskan is still spoken up there and down here.The > Athapaskans > > of the Southwest can > > actually understand some words used by Indians of British Columbia, the > > Sekani, Beaver, r, Slave and Chippewyan. > > > > love, Bobby > > > > (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) > > long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 2:34:08 PM > > Subject: Re: My story > > > > So, is your family history leaning more toward Inuit (Eskimo) than > Native?? > > Have you ever been to the basin?? That would be a different type of > living > > wouldn't it? A dear friend that just passed away this year worked for > > several years between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktut. His wife would make the > whole > > family's parkas.... > > > > Gloria > > > > It might suprise you to know that the Indians on both sides of my family > > tree were from the Mackenzie river basin in Canada. > > > > http://www.ic. arizona.edu/ ~anth4206/ 206/module_ 08pr.htm > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mackenzie_ River > > > > love,Bobby > > > > long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 5:48:20 PM > > Subject: Re: My story > > > > Bobby > > > > Well one thing we have to know for sure - you have to have the longest > > ancestry line in North America, of us all here so far!! > > > > Gloria > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > My mom's dad was named , a long time alcoholic who was half apache > > and half Spanish. Her mom was full blooded Spanish, and her Grandma's > > sisters were blond hair blue eyes. The blond sisters were allowed to go > in > > the theatre through the front door, and the dark haired ones were not. > This > > was in Denver in the 1950's. > > > > My father's dad was half Navajo, and half spanish settler. His mom was > > mostly Spanish. They were originally from Taos New Mexico. somewhere > along > > the way they migrated north to Trinidad, Colorado. In the 60's , my dad's > > entire family eventually moved north to Colorado Springs and on to > Denver. > > Then my dad met my mom. I learned to speak Apache in 1995. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:45:14 AM > > Subject: Re: My story > > > > two of my granddaughters have Emerson in their family tree, not a direct > > descendant. I don't think he would be too proud of his great (lots more > > greats) nephew if he were here today. Jan H > > > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Murch <linda.murch@ yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > > > My family came over on the May Flower. His name was Digory Priest, he > > died > > > the first winter but his wife & children survived. > > > Later, my Great great ( more greats LOL) grandma was REBECCA NURSE who > > was > > > hanged as a witch is Salem Mass. > > > Then we're related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, I lost the trail after that. > I > > > know about Digory because we were in the Mayflower Society, a group of > > > descendants. > > > I'm German, English French & got ALL the bad genes in my family tree > LOL > > ! > > > Love you all > > > tillytitmouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > > his > > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > > his > > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > > another > > > > > > brother > > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > > ago > > > I > > > > > went > > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > > pounds. > > > > > > They > > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty > bad > > > > shape > > > > > > when > > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > > couple > > > > > > more > > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > > pill > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day > but > > my > > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape > except > > > for > > > > > > having > > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow > the > > > yard > > > > > but > > > > > > is > > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that > helps > > a > > > > > > little. > > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in > a > > > > couple > > > > > > of > > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > > > About > > > > 8 > > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > > anything.. > > > > He > > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > > him > > > > > about > > > > > > my > > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when > my > > > > plant > > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had > anything > > to > > > > > drink > > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > > comments, > > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Well said, Bobby!!! Like is say - peel back the skin and we all look the same underneath!! In the end, isn't it really silly to hold on to any kind of prejudice to any other peoples for deeds that none of us today, had anything to do with?? You think we Canadians would repeat the mistake of giving the French one whole province of it's own today. Nope, instead we say, if they want to separate that badly, just make sure you take the eastern provinces with you. Hey, a fella in Las Vegas was telling us sometime ago. Both Canada and the US divided their countries wrong!! It should have been north and south, not east and west. Because in both cases, the west can't get along with the east and it's like we are entirely different people. Learn from history - lest history repeats itself over and over. Gloria ________________________________ Jill, I lived with a lot of confusing feelings. To know that my ancestors (Spanish against natives) so brutalized each other is a sobering thought. The Spanish settlers of New Mexico were given no quarter by the Apache and Navajo, and even the Apache and Navajo made an art form of warring with each other. If you go to a modern pow wow, and eaves drop, you will still get a good feeling for the animosity that still exists to this day. I was asked to teach different Indian children from several local tribes the skill of bow and arrow making, and thier parents looked at me like I was from Mars. I found out later it was because the Northern Arapaho and Pawnee, Sioux, and others were attacked by the eastern Apache often only one hundred fifty years ago. They still harbor a lot of grudge, and it is no joke. I felt like thier anger was directed right at me and boy was that a mix of strange feelings, including a strange sense of pride. In fact, among all of the Indians I have met at traditional events such as pow wows, there is far far more distrust between the tribes and nations than I would have ever thought. It felt kind of like when we visited Fort Union ruins in New Mexico. To think that they had gone to the trouble of building this huge fort- boy , they must have been really scared. I know I would have been. The women went insane because of the oppresive heat and bugs and constant threat of Indian attack. One of my favorite stories is of a raid against the Kiowa east of Springer New Mexico just before the turn of the century- The Jicarillas crept in after dusk after walking hundreds of miles on foot, and stole every horse, leaving their mocassins tied to their lances (spears) stuck in the ground. What an insult that must have been! As if to say " you rode, we walked, now we ride, you walk! " I try to think of the entire experience of history as a whole instead of pieces and parts. The best thing I think we all can do is teach our heritage to our young, be them Norwegian, French or Apache or whatever. We are all related anyway. Love, Bobby (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 7:23:09 PM Subject: Re: My story This is so interesting Bobby! I can say when my ancestors came here...but yours were already here....Watch or I'll get on my soapbox about how absolutely horrid we treated the native Americans. I love hearing about ypur heritage. Thanks! Love,Jill We don't remember days, we remember moments. Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 6:13:38 PM Subject: Re: My story No no not at all. The southern Athapaskan people (Apache, Navajo) are nearly indistinguishable from the people they now live in proximity to. They adapt completely to thier surroundings. A Mescalero would dress like a southern Cheyenne, a Jicarilla ( my lineage) would dress like a Pawnee or Lakota, a Navajo would dress like a Colorado river Indian, such as Maricopa or Pima. The Jicarilla people look just like plains Indians from the mocassins to thier bead work. The thng that still links us to Canada is the language. Athapaskan is still spoken up there and down here.The Athapaskans of the Southwest can actually understand some words used by Indians of British Columbia, the Sekani, Beaver, r, Slave and Chippewyan. love, Bobby (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 2:34:08 PM Subject: Re: My story So, is your family history leaning more toward Inuit (Eskimo) than Native?? Have you ever been to the basin?? That would be a different type of living wouldn't it? A dear friend that just passed away this year worked for several years between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktut. His wife would make the whole family's parkas.... Gloria It might suprise you to know that the Indians on both sides of my family tree were from the Mackenzie river basin in Canada. http://www.ic. arizona.edu/ ~anth4206/ 206/module_ 08pr.htm http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mackenzie_ River love,Bobby long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 5:48:20 PM Subject: Re: My story Bobby Well one thing we have to know for sure - you have to have the longest ancestry line in North America, of us all here so far!! Gloria ____________ _________ _________ __ My mom's dad was named , a long time alcoholic who was half apache and half Spanish. Her mom was full blooded Spanish, and her Grandma's sisters were blond hair blue eyes. The blond sisters were allowed to go in the theatre through the front door, and the dark haired ones were not. This was in Denver in the 1950's. My father's dad was half Navajo, and half spanish settler. His mom was mostly Spanish. They were originally from Taos New Mexico. somewhere along the way they migrated north to Trinidad, Colorado. In the 60's , my dad's entire family eventually moved north to Colorado Springs and on to Denver. Then my dad met my mom. I learned to speak Apache in 1995. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:45:14 AM Subject: Re: My story two of my granddaughters have Emerson in their family tree, not a direct descendant. I don't think he would be too proud of his great (lots more greats) nephew if he were here today. Jan H On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Murch <linda.murch@ yahoo.com> wrote: > My family came over on the May Flower. His name was Digory Priest, he died > the first winter but his wife & children survived. > Later, my Great great ( more greats LOL) grandma was REBECCA NURSE who was > hanged as a witch is Salem Mass. > Then we're related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, I lost the trail after that. I > know about Digory because we were in the Mayflower Society, a group of > descendants. > I'm German, English French & got ALL the bad genes in my family tree LOL ! > Love you all > tillytitmouse > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in his > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in his > > > > fifties. > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have another > > > > brother > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months ago > I > > > went > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > pounds. > > > > They > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty bad > > shape > > > > when > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > couple > > > > more > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > pill > > > > which I > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > 20 > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day but my > > > > ammonia > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape except > for > > > > having > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow the > yard > > > but > > > > is > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that helps a > > > > little. > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in a > > couple > > > > of > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not. > About > > 8 > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > anything.. > > He > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told him > > > about > > > > my > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when my > > plant > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had anything to > > > drink > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > comments, > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > web address: > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Gloria - everybody will probably shake their heads at me, but I don't believe in dinasaurs. I don't believe the world has been here as long as the scientists say. The age of old things is determined by carbon dating. Carbon dating depends on what is called 1/2 life. Figure out how long it takes something to deteriorate and from there you can determine when it started. But the whole theory is based on a falacy, so everything " learned " from it is wrong. Now, I am sure most of you won't agree with me, but that is okay. But if you study a lot of scientific findings in the last decades, they are finding that what they built their science on in the first place is not right, so they have to start over. As for evolution: My daughter went to a Christian school, transferred to a public school near the end of 9th grade. Evolution is defined as a theory, but it is taught as fact in the public schools. She had studied creationism in the Christian school, and as soon as she transferred she got in the middle of a study of evolution. It really bothered her. So, I had her go through her text and find every reference to theory and point it out in class. Since she was simply using the text book, there was nothing they could do about it. Jan H > As a teenage, my son presenting his rebellion at even going to school! > It's awful when you know that you have a bright child but they would rather > stand in the smoke pit at school, than attend a class. > > So finally I gave him an ultimatum. Either attend the little Baptist > School in the area or get a job and start paying to live here. Well, he > choose the Christian School and was there about 2-1/2 yrs. > > There was a time, the the students were challenging the minister about the > two beliefs. I can only imagine that my son was heavy into that challenge > and it was absolutely awesome to see him coming in from school and directly > to the computer to research these theories. Now, this was a kid that had no > Christian training whatsoever prior to this and so was only taught the > evolution. After a few weeks, he was telling me that he thought he might > have a theory of his own and that was, when it says that God created the > heavens and the earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th. How could we little > humans possibly know how long a day is in God's terms??? > > Then the minister invited another minister up for a visit from the states. > Prior to going into his ministry, he had been a geologist. As he said - > there is absolutely no doubt about the fossils from ancient times etc., > especially proving the age of the dinosaurs. But, he says - whose to say > how long a day is in God's time??? > > Gloria > > > > > ________________________________ > > > I don't remember if it was based on the biblical belief that man started > in > one place and after the jews were driven out of Israel they scattered to > all > the earth. But it would fit in with that. I was married to a Bohunk and I > was surprised by the similarity of some of the foods to the ones I grew up > with in my Norwegian community. And they have traced all languages to no > more than three roots all coming out of Western Asia. It makes you think. > > There is no reason they couldn't have migrated into South America too. Jan > H > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> wrote: > > > You know the questions I had about that theory??? > > > > Why was it that they had to come up with a theory like that and not just > > accept that the Native People have always been here? What about the > peoples > > of Central and South America as well? They have a very similar look to > our > > Natives. > > > > Finally though, are those theorists suggesting something like that > because > > of the biblical belief of how man was created?? > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Bobby - I read that article, very interesting. Made me wonder about some > > things. Maybe about 50 years ago or so, they started talking about the > > theory that American Indians were actually Asians, that they had crossed > > the > > land bridge between Asia and what is now Alaska. And then some groups > > migrated across Canada and the US and down into South America. Most of > > the > > reaction from the Indians that I heard at the time was negative. They > > claimed they had always been where they were, except for those who had > been > > moved by the white man which included most Indians in the east. Yet, > that > > article talks about the migration for the Apache and Navajo tribes from > > Canada to Arizona and New Mexico. I would be interested in hearing your > > reaction to what I have written. How do you and other Indians you know > > feel > > about the theory? Jan H > > > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jill <jillkstewart@ yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > > > This is so interesting Bobby! I can say when my ancestors came > here...but > > > yours were already here....Watch or I'll get on my soapbox about how > > > absolutely horrid we treated the native Americans. I love hearing about > > ypur > > > heritage. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > Love,Jill > > > > > > We don't remember days, we remember moments. > > > Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that > take > > > our breath away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com> > > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 6:13:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: My story > > > > > > > > > No no not at all. The southern Athapaskan people (Apache, Navajo) are > > > nearly indistinguishable from the people they now live in proximity to. > > They > > > adapt completely to thier surroundings. A Mescalero would dress like a > > > southern Cheyenne, a Jicarilla ( my lineage) would dress like a Pawnee > or > > > Lakota, a Navajo would dress like a Colorado river Indian, such as > > Maricopa > > > or Pima. The Jicarilla people look just like plains Indians from the > > > mocassins to thier bead work. The thng that still links us to Canada is > > the > > > language. Athapaskan is still spoken up there and down here.The > > Athapaskans > > > of the Southwest can > > > actually understand some words used by Indians of British Columbia, the > > > Sekani, Beaver, r, Slave and Chippewyan. > > > > > > love, Bobby > > > > > > (saadn'leelt- da ya day- n'zho) > > > long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> > > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 2:34:08 PM > > > Subject: Re: My story > > > > > > So, is your family history leaning more toward Inuit (Eskimo) than > > Native?? > > > Have you ever been to the basin?? That would be a different type of > > living > > > wouldn't it? A dear friend that just passed away this year worked for > > > several years between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktut. His wife would make the > > whole > > > family's parkas.... > > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > It might suprise you to know that the Indians on both sides of my > family > > > tree were from the Mackenzie river basin in Canada. > > > > > > http://www.ic. arizona.edu/ ~anth4206/ 206/module_ 08pr.htm > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mackenzie_ River > > > > > > love,Bobby > > > > > > long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Gloria <gadamscanyahoo (DOT) ca> > > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 5:48:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: My story > > > > > > Bobby > > > > > > Well one thing we have to know for sure - you have to have the longest > > > ancestry line in North America, of us all here so far!! > > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > My mom's dad was named , a long time alcoholic who was half > apache > > > and half Spanish. Her mom was full blooded Spanish, and her Grandma's > > > sisters were blond hair blue eyes. The blond sisters were allowed to go > > in > > > the theatre through the front door, and the dark haired ones were not. > > This > > > was in Denver in the 1950's. > > > > > > My father's dad was half Navajo, and half spanish settler. His mom was > > > mostly Spanish. They were originally from Taos New Mexico. somewhere > > along > > > the way they migrated north to Trinidad, Colorado. In the 60's , my > dad's > > > entire family eventually moved north to Colorado Springs and on to > > Denver. > > > Then my dad met my mom. I learned to speak Apache in 1995. > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Jan Holman <janholmangmail (DOT) com> > > > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:45:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: My story > > > > > > two of my granddaughters have Emerson in their family tree, not a > direct > > > descendant. I don't think he would be too proud of his great (lots more > > > greats) nephew if he were here today. Jan H > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Murch <linda.murch@ yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My family came over on the May Flower. His name was Digory Priest, he > > > died > > > > the first winter but his wife & children survived. > > > > Later, my Great great ( more greats LOL) grandma was REBECCA NURSE > who > > > was > > > > hanged as a witch is Salem Mass. > > > > Then we're related to Ralph Waldo Emerson, I lost the trail after > that. > > I > > > > know about Digory because we were in the Mayflower Society, a group > of > > > > descendants. > > > > I'm German, English French & got ALL the bad genes in my family tree > > LOL > > > ! > > > > Love you all > > > > tillytitmouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was > in > > > his > > > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was > in > > > his > > > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > > > another > > > > > > > brother > > > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 > months > > > ago > > > > I > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost > 40 > > > > > pounds. > > > > > > > They > > > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty > > bad > > > > > shape > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for > a > > > > couple > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a > thyroid > > > > pill > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day > > but > > > my > > > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape > > except > > > > for > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow > > the > > > > yard > > > > > > but > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that > > helps > > > a > > > > > > > little. > > > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is > in > > a > > > > > couple > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or > not. > > > > About > > > > > 8 > > > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > > > anything.. > > > > > He > > > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I > told > > > him > > > > > > about > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job > when > > my > > > > > plant > > > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had > > anything > > > to > > > > > > drink > > > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, > hints, > > > > > > comments, > > > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 AMEN !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was in > > his > > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was in > > his > > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > > another > > > > > > brother > > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 months > > ago > > > I > > > > > went > > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost 40 > > > > pounds. > > > > > > They > > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty > bad > > > > shape > > > > > > when > > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for a > > > couple > > > > > > more > > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a thyroid > > > pill > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day > but > > my > > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape > except > > > for > > > > > > having > > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow > the > > > yard > > > > > but > > > > > > is > > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that > helps > > a > > > > > > little. > > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is in > a > > > > couple > > > > > > of > > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or not.. > > > About > > > > 8 > > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > > anything.. > > > > He > > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I told > > him > > > > > about > > > > > > my > > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job when > my > > > > plant > > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had > anything > > to > > > > > drink > > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, hints, > > > > > comments, > > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 We, and definitely I am included in that we, seem to be spending a lot of time and posts on off topic stuff. I am by no means saying we should stop because the culture stuff is very interesting to me, and obviously to others. But, if there is someone out there wondering why we are doing this on a liver support group and not discussing liver related topics, it is because questions haven't been asked which require us to dwell on that. So, if you do have a question related to the purpose of this group, please ask it. We are a family here, and we discuss a lot of things some related, and some not. But, while we are a family, we are similar to a family which was adopted into other families and we have become reunited, so we are trying to get to know each other. We have quite a mix here and everybody has something to offer to make us one. Jan H On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Jackie Ellermann wrote: > AMEN !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had 3 brothers die of liver disease. The youngest was > in > > > his > > > > > > > > thirties. The next youngest was in his forties. The next was > in > > > his > > > > > > > fifties. > > > > > > > > The first 2 were cirrhosis and the other was cancer. I have > > > another > > > > > > > brother > > > > > > > > who is 58 and has no symptoms yet. I am 61. Two years 6 > months > > > ago > > > > I > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > into the hospital for 45 days. I was out of my mind and lost > 40 > > > > > pounds. > > > > > > > They > > > > > > > > said my electolyes were out of balance.I was still in pretty > > bad > > > > > shape > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > they let me out. I was only able to eat and dress myself for > a > > > > couple > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > months. My PC doctor had me on 2 pills for memory and a > thyroid > > > > pill > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > am still on. About 18 months ago he put me on the hated > > > > > > Kristulose.Three > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > mg packages a day. We tried cutting back to 2 packages a day > > but > > > my > > > > > > > ammonia > > > > > > > > would go back up over a hundred. I am in fairly good shape > > except > > > > for > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > to go to the bathroom alot and I get tired. I am able to mow > > the > > > > yard > > > > > > but > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > about all I am able to do. I also take a sleeping pill that > > helps > > > a > > > > > > > little. > > > > > > > > I am seeing my PC doc only every 4 months. The next time is > in > > a > > > > > couple > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > weeks. I do not remember if I was told I had cirrhosis or > not.. > > > > About > > > > > 8 > > > > > > > > months ago my gastr doc did a liver scan and could not see > > > > anything.. > > > > > He > > > > > > > > decided to do this after I went in for a colonscopy and I > told > > > him > > > > > > about > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > other problems MY PC had nothing to do with it. > > > > > > > > I was a heavy drinker for 25 years and then I lost my job > when > > my > > > > > plant > > > > > > > > shut down and I sat home and drank more. I have not had > > anything > > > to > > > > > > drink > > > > > > > > since July 07. > > > > > > > > I do not know how alarmed I should be. Any suggestions, > hints, > > > > > > comments, > > > > > > > > or opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com > > > > > > > > web address: > > > > > > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/livercirrhosi ssupport/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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