Re: HELP!!! MANIA!!!!

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In a message dated 10/7/01 9:25:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Zoyavitch@... writes:

> Med-wise, I stopped his Ritalin yesterday and also he didn't have any

> Clonidine for sleep last night (he slept all night without it). The only

> med

> he had yesterday was his Risperdal last night. I didn't give him his

> Zoloft

> either. Could the absence of those meds be what's causing this? Or could

> it

> be the Zoloft that he was started back on almost 2 weeks ago for the

> obsessive stuff? He isn't really obsessive now (has asked about going to

> grandma's as he flew by me but never waited for an answer).

>

>

Oh, I am so sorry that you guys are having such a rogh time of it right now

It sounds like the combination of meds that he takes is similar to what we

use here with . When he does not have his clonodine and risperdal that

he gets at night b/c i forgot or whatever, then the next day, LOOK OUT!!!

I feel so bad for youi right now about the perseverating on things,

gets like this sometimes and its enough to drive one totally batty. And when

gets in a mmod like this, it will go on and on asking for one thing

after another, and yes, I have had days where it would go for 4-6 hours and

to the point where you just cant take it anymore.

As far as meds go, gets risperdal, clonidine, buspar, ritalin, and

Luvox. I really dont like using so many different meds, but for now its a

necessary evil. Have you had any experience with Luvox? We switched to it

from Prozac a while back b/c it it suposed to deal a little more with the OCD

type behaviors a bit more than some of the other SSRI's.

I have tried to eliminate some of the meds in the past, and it always turns

into nightmareish bevavior. Have you ever tried with maybe giving a half

dose of the clonidine to calm things a bit when they start to get really out

of hand? How much does he take of it at night if you dont mind me asking.

takes .1 mg. at bed.

We have tried alot of different meds to finally get to the point where we are

at now, where things are pretty managable for the most part.

This is getting a bit long, but if you want to ask me anything about any of

the meds feel free to write me back on or off the list.

Again I can pretty much understand exactly what your going throgh right now,

I've been there, honestly and I know how bad it can be. You are in my

thoughts and prayers and I hope you can figure something out to make things a

bit easier for all of you.

[Guest guest]

Terry, It is ok not to give ritalin one day but not ok to skip zoloft. I know

this from personal expereience. When I would accidently miss a pill, my ears

would ring and I would go manic.

Hope things get better,

Tina - mom to:

Dorian , Greer and Braeden

" All my life I have been an observer, and I always felt like someone who

watches from the outside. " Temple Grandin

[Guest guest]

Woops, forgot to mention to never skip clonidine either. That is actually a

high blood pressure medication and should never be skipped. If you do not

want him on it any longer, you slowly take him off the drug but never stop

abruptly.

Tina - mom to:

Dorian , Greer and Braeden

" All my life I have been an observer, and I always felt like someone who

watches from the outside. " Temple Grandin

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In a message dated 10/7/2001 11:04:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Tindak@... writes:

> Woops, forgot to mention to never skip clonidine either. That is actually a

> high blood pressure medication and should never be skipped. If you do not

> want him on it any longer, you slowly take him off the drug but never stop

> abruptly.

>

>

>

He was just on the Clonidine for sleep, not routinely and at the dose he was

on he would be ok without weaning according to the pharmacist.

As for the Zoloft, I am confused...I know that taking it can cause mania in

folks that are predisposed to such (bi-polar), you're saying that not taking

it can also cause mania?? How on earth do you know which it is? Could Sam

be manic because he missed a dose yesterday even only being on it 2 weeks?

Or could Sam be manic because after being on it 2 weeks it has caused mania?

I hate all of this....

*****Terry******

Wife to: Ron

Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

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In a message dated 10/7/2001 9:46:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

cindynmb@... writes:

> Oh, I am so sorry that you guys are having such a rogh time of it right now

> It sounds like the combination of meds that he takes is similar to what we

> use here with . When he does not have his clonodine and risperdal

> that

> he gets at night b/c i forgot or whatever, then the next day, LOOK OUT!!!>>

Is he manic the next day or just nasty? Agitated or aggressive? I'm just

curious....

> I feel so bad for youi right now about the perseverating on things,

> gets like this sometimes and its enough to drive one totally batty. And

> when

> gets in a mmod like this, it will go on and on asking for one thing

> after another, and yes, I have had days where it would go for 4-6 hours and

> to the point where you just cant take it anymore.>>

Yanno, unless you've experienced it, you can't imagine how nerve racking it

is. I've described it to people before and even had it described to me about

other autistic kids before Sam was talking and I couldn't understand how it

could be that bad. I remember thinking " so they say the same thing over and

over? At least they talk " . Sam also does this thing where he takes me by

the chin and pulls my face over when he says things over and over to make

sure I am understanding him, I guess.

> As far as meds go, gets risperdal, clonidine, buspar, ritalin, and

> Luvox. I really dont like using so many different meds, but for now its a

> necessary evil. Have you had any experience with Luvox? We switched to

> it

> from Prozac a while back b/c it it supposed to deal a little more with the

> OCD

> type behaviors a bit more than some of the other SSRI's.

We did try Luvox a while back and I thought it worked better for the OCD

stuff, too, but unfortunately it made Sam more agitated and irritable. I had

thought about asking the doc about using 1/2 the dose of Zoloft and 1/2 the

Luvox to see if we could get the good results of both without the bad results

of both. But then he started having the increase in rage attacks and we were

trying different meds to help with that.

> I have tried to eliminate some of the meds in the past, and it always turns

> into nightmareish bevavior. Have you ever tried with maybe giving a half

> dose of the clonidine to calm things a bit when they start to get really

> out

> of hand? How much does he take of it at night if you dont mind me asking.

> takes .1 mg. at bed.

Yes, we've used Clonidine in the past both in tablet form (he had horrible

rebounds when it was time for the next dose, he was worse than before he got

the 1st one) and in patch (the only place we could put it where he wouldn't

reach it was between his should blades and then he would rub his back against

a table to get the patch off). The nighttime dose he got was usually 1/2 of

a .1 mg at bedtime. He didn't get it all the time, tho.

> We have tried alot of different meds to finally get to the point where we

> are

> at now, where things are pretty managable for the most part.

>

> This is getting a bit long, but if you want to ask me anything about any of

> the meds feel free to write me back on or off the list.

>

> Again I can pretty much understand exactly what your going throgh right

> now,

> I've been there, honestly and I know how bad it can be. You are in my

> thoughts and prayers and I hope you can figure something out to make things

> a

>

Thank you so much...I do appreciate it...sharing it here and getting yalls

feedback sure does help...

******Terry******

Wife to: Ron

Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

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In a message dated 10/7/2001 11:08:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

thebyks@... writes:

> I do know that some of these meds, Zoloft in particular, you need to wean

> off of & not just stop. I think Ritalin is the same but I'm not positive.

> If you're out, try calling your pharmacy & asking them for just a couple of

> pills till you can get to your dr. They've done that for us with Matt.

>

> Good luck!

>

>

>

Thanks, Sara...we're not out, I'm just trying to isolate what might be

causing some of Sam's problems. Ritalin should be fine to just stop, it

clears the system pretty quickly from what I understand. I don't know about

the Zoloft...he was on it for several months and we d/c'd it without weaning

and 2 weeks after that is when the obsessive stuff got so much worse. So,

he's been back on it now but only for 2 weeks so I'm thinking it might not

even be at a therapeutic level yet. But, hell, I don't know....and what's

even worse is I know the docs don't either. :<

******Terry******

Wife to: Ron

Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

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In a message dated 10/7/2001 11:34:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

bunnytiner@... writes:

> Terry:

>

> Your problems are very serious and frightening (like mine, but different). I

> wish I had some useful advice to add beyond just sympathy but I do not. So

> sorry...

>

>

Thank you, Salli...and I for you as well. I havent had a chance to catch up

but Ron tells me things have been rough for you also...all I can say is thank

God we have this list...

******Terry******

Wife to: Ron

Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

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In a message dated 10/7/2001 11:41:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

nitetrax@... writes:

> Terry,

> I know nothing about meds, but it seems to me whenever one of our kids is on

> them, their behavior escalates when a med is changed or altered. So hard to

> figure out what's right for them. I wish I had answers for you.

>

> ((((HUGS))))

> Sissi

>

Thank you, Sissi...it is so shitful....(excuse the language). I appreciate

the support more than you know...

******Terry******

Wife to: Ron

Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

[Guest guest]

I do know that some of these meds, Zoloft in particular, you need to wean

off of & not just stop. I think Ritalin is the same but I'm not positive.

If you're out, try calling your pharmacy & asking them for just a couple of

pills till you can get to your dr. They've done that for us with Matt.

Good luck!

-Sara.

wife to Matt

SAHM to nurslings

Mikey, 9/14/99, autistic spectrum? and

Gabe, born at home 5/17/01, GERD

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In a message dated 10/7/01 12:27:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Zoyavitch@... writes:

> > Oh, I am so sorry that you guys are having such a rogh time of it right

> now

> > It sounds like the combination of meds that he takes is similar to what

> we

> > use here with . When he does not have his clonodine and risperdal

> > that

> > he gets at night b/c i forgot or whatever, then the next day, LOOK OUT!!!>

> >

>

> Is he manic the next day or just nasty? Agitated or aggressive? I'm just

> curious....

Sometimes he is just a litlle bit of all of it, it really depends on how well

i am able to cope with him on that particular day. And let me add that I try

REAL hard to make sure I dont forget to give him what he needs.

>

> > I feel so bad for youi right now about the perseverating on things,

> > gets like this sometimes and its enough to drive one totally batty. And

> > when

> > gets in a mmod like this, it will go on and on asking for one thing

> > after another, and yes, I have had days where it would go for 4-6 hours

> and

> > to the point where you just cant take it anymore.>>

>

> Yanno, unless you've experienced it, you can't imagine how nerve racking it

> is. I've described it to people before and even had it described to me

> about

> other autistic kids before Sam was talking and I couldn't understand how it

> could be that bad. I remember thinking " so they say the same thing over

> and

> over? At least they talk " . Sam also does this thing where he takes me by

> the chin and pulls my face over when he says things over and over to make

> sure I am understanding him, I guess.

>

>

Yes, does almost the same thing. He puts his hands on my cheeks and

then

> will just kepp saying Momma, Momma, Momma.....until he thinks I am listening

> .

I wish there was more I could say to help you with this, I just dont know

what to say though. If you get any good suggestions or ideas on dealing with

this stuff, let me know too, please.

in SC

Mom to 7, HFA

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Terry:

Your problems are very serious and frightening (like mine, but different). I

wish I had some useful advice to add beyond just sympathy but I do not. So

sorry...

Salli

[Guest guest]

Terry,

I know nothing about meds, but it seems to me whenever one of our kids is on

them, their behavior escalates when a med is changed or altered. So hard to

figure out what's right for them. I wish I had answers for you.

((((HUGS))))

Sissi

HELP!!! MANIA!!!!

> Hey yall...I'm sorry to be writing a post when I have hundreds unread and

> many I need to respond to but Sam is in a manic tear and I am at my wit's

> end. This whole deal with Sam the last few weeks has been getting

> progressively worse and this weekend is beyond horrible...

>

> Friday afternoon started with obsessive, perseveration about going to

KMart,

> ToysRUs, his grandma's. It lasted for 4 hours with him repeating that

over

> and over, tears streaming down his face or him repeating it while

hollering,

> screaming and throwing things.

>

> Saturday morning wasn't too bad...obsessing about going to the park but no

> tears or screams so off we go and stay gone all day - the park, Walmart,

his

> grandma's, Burger King - he was alternately in a good mood and obsessive

and

> angry but not out of control. By the time we got home, he had started

to

> be a little manic but was fairly happy and I felt a bit relieved that the

day

> went better.

>

> This morning I woke up to him as manic as the day is long. Happy but

manic.

> Squealing loudly over and over. Laughing, talking rapidly, jumping and

> running around, swinging his arms wildly in circles. He has dumped the

dog's

> food into the water bowl and poured it all over the kitchen...he has

stripped

> off his clothes and run around naked (something he hasn't done in over a

> year)...he has torn down the wallpaper border in the living room, peeling

it

> by the piece and running with it madly through the house. He has a grin

on

> his face from ear to ear and thinks that everything he does is funny...I

just

> now peeled him off of Abbie where he was sitting on her head laughing and

> bouncing up and down.

>

> Med-wise, I stopped his Ritalin yesterday and also he didn't have any

> Clonidine for sleep last night (he slept all night without it). The only

med

> he had yesterday was his Risperdal last night. I didn't give him his

Zoloft

> either. Could the absence of those meds be what's causing this? Or could

it

> be the Zoloft that he was started back on almost 2 weeks ago for the

> obsessive stuff? He isn't really obsessive now (has asked about going to

> grandma's as he flew by me but never waited for an answer).

>

> I won't be able to get his doc until tomorrow at the earliest...is there

> anything I can do in the interim or will this wear itself out, does anyone

> know? I swear I am going to end up in Milledgeville before this is over

> with...Ron and I both are about nuts here. And even sweet little Abbie

told

> me yesterday " I don't like Sam. "

>

> ******Terry******

> Wife to: Ron

> Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Could Sam

> be manic because he missed a dose yesterday even only being on it

> 2 weeks?

Absolutely.

> Or could Sam be manic because after being on it 2 weeks it has

> caused mania?

Regardless, you still need to wean off it. You could give half a dose & see

if he gets better or

worse.

Matt has been taking it for 3 years. I am very familiar with what happens

when you miss a dose. It's a very bad thing.

It messes up the level of seratonin in your brain. In Sam's case his body

may have gone into hyper-production to make up for not getting it. Or he

may be responding " backwards " as with ADD & caffeine.

I would not change more than one med at a time, so you can see what the

effects are clearly & know which med is doing what.

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to hear that Sam is having such a hard time. I am not

familiar with risperadol so I can't offer advice on that one. I do

know that the clonidine should slow him down some so you could dose

him with that. I would NOT give him any more zoloft.

was taking Paxil, which is the same type of med as zoloft and

he was HORRID. He had the most awful time and we are positive it

made his behavior much worse. He was quite manic like in his

behaviors. Even before starting the new meds, just stopping the

paxil was an improvement.

GOOD LUCK. ((((Ron & Terry))))

[Guest guest]

Terry,

I haven't time to read all the responses, but don't just pull the Zoloft.

He needs to wean off it, or switch directly to something similar or he could

experience withdrawal. It's also possible that the Zoloft doesnt' have the

same effect on him if he's been stopped and restarted. This happens with

some meds with autism. I would ask the Dr. to try another SSRI and see if

it will help. In the meantime, I'll pray for strength for you and Ron (and

the other kids!)

Sue

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Terry and Ron,

What a rough time. I'm glad there are others on this list who were able to

give you some advice about the meds. I know that people with bipolar get

manic when put on antidepressants but I have no idea how our kids handle it.

I hope that things get better very soon for you.

Amy H

Kepler 4 ASD and Bethany 5 & 1/2 NT

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Terry, how was the rest of today?

I hope things improved for you. I am totally clueless in the meds dept, so

I won't say anything about it, but geezz...... you and Ron are on a really

mean portion of the roller coaster ride.

Just keep on thinking... it's gotta improve from here.... it's gotta improve

from here.

Grace

HELP!!! MANIA!!!!

> Hey yall...I'm sorry to be writing a post when I have hundreds unread and

> many I need to respond to but Sam is in a manic tear and I am at my wit's

> end. This whole deal with Sam the last few weeks has been getting

> progressively worse and this weekend is beyond horrible...

>

> Friday afternoon started with obsessive, perseveration about going to

KMart,

> ToysRUs, his grandma's. It lasted for 4 hours with him repeating that

over

> and over, tears streaming down his face or him repeating it while

hollering,

> screaming and throwing things.

>

> Saturday morning wasn't too bad...obsessing about going to the park but no

> tears or screams so off we go and stay gone all day - the park, Walmart,

his

> grandma's, Burger King - he was alternately in a good mood and obsessive

and

> angry but not out of control. By the time we got home, he had started

to

> be a little manic but was fairly happy and I felt a bit relieved that the

day

> went better.

>

> This morning I woke up to him as manic as the day is long. Happy but

manic.

> Squealing loudly over and over. Laughing, talking rapidly, jumping and

> running around, swinging his arms wildly in circles. He has dumped the

dog's

> food into the water bowl and poured it all over the kitchen...he has

stripped

> off his clothes and run around naked (something he hasn't done in over a

> year)...he has torn down the wallpaper border in the living room, peeling

it

> by the piece and running with it madly through the house. He has a grin

on

> his face from ear to ear and thinks that everything he does is funny...I

just

> now peeled him off of Abbie where he was sitting on her head laughing and

> bouncing up and down.

>

> Med-wise, I stopped his Ritalin yesterday and also he didn't have any

> Clonidine for sleep last night (he slept all night without it). The only

med

> he had yesterday was his Risperdal last night. I didn't give him his

Zoloft

> either. Could the absence of those meds be what's causing this? Or could

it

> be the Zoloft that he was started back on almost 2 weeks ago for the

> obsessive stuff? He isn't really obsessive now (has asked about going to

> grandma's as he flew by me but never waited for an answer).

>

> I won't be able to get his doc until tomorrow at the earliest...is there

> anything I can do in the interim or will this wear itself out, does anyone

> know? I swear I am going to end up in Milledgeville before this is over

> with...Ron and I both are about nuts here. And even sweet little Abbie

told

> me yesterday " I don't like Sam. "

>

> ******Terry******

> Wife to: Ron

> Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 10/7/2001 3:13:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

cindynmb@... writes:

> I wish there was more I could say to help you with this, I just dont know

> what to say though. If you get any good suggestions or ideas on dealing

> with

> this stuff, let me know too, please.

>

> in SC

>

I most definitely will!

******Terry******

Wife to: Ron

Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/7/2001 1:03:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

thebyks@... writes:

> I would not change more than one med at a time, so you can see what the

> effects are clearly & know which med is doing what.

>

>

You're right and I did know to do that, I don't know why I didn't except that

I was just so anxious for him to feel better. And for whatever reasons, he

does seem to today. He had a great day at school and is now (at our normal

meltdown/raging time) sitting in a chair (my child??) watching a PowerPuff

girls video...

Terry - with fingers & toes crossed

Wife to: Ron

Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/7/2001 5:26:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

smgaska@... writes:

> . It's also possible that the Zoloft doesnt' have the

> same effect on him if he's been stopped and restarted. This happens with

> some meds with autism. I would ask the Dr. to try another SSRI and see if

> it will help. In the meantime, I'll pray for strength for you and Ron (and

> the other kids!)

>

>

I'm afraid that may be what's happened with the Zoloft though to tell the

truth, I don't think it ever did work that great. When he was on Prozac we

had such a WOW effect, we never got that with the Zoloft....

******Terry******

Wife to: Ron

Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/7/2001 9:28:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ajhelmuth@... writes:

> Terry and Ron,

> What a rough time. I'm glad there are others on this list who were able to

> give you some advice about the meds. I know that people with bipolar get

> manic when put on antidepressants but I have no idea how our kids handle

> it.

> I hope that things get better very soon for you.

>

> Amy H

>

Thank you so much!

******Terry******

Wife to: Ron

Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

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In a message dated 10/7/2001 3:47:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

reynoldspm@... writes:

> I'm sorry to hear that Sam is having such a hard time. I am not

> familiar with risperadol so I can't offer advice on that one. I do

> know that the clonidine should slow him down some so you could dose

> him with that. I would NOT give him any more zoloft.>>

The Clonidine does slow him down some but he has such horrible rebound from

it. I'm leaving it off for now unless things get drastic.

> was taking Paxil, which is the same type of med as zoloft and

> he was HORRID. He had the most awful time and we are positive it

> made his behavior much worse. He was quite manic like in his

> behaviors. Even before starting the new meds, just stopping the

> paxil was an improvement.

>

> GOOD LUCK. ((((Ron & Terry))))

>

>

I'm not giving the Zoloft, either. I hope I'm doing the right thing...it's

so hard to know. I try to just rely on my gut on these things but I tend to

doubt myself so easily sometimes. My thinking at this point is that the

Ritalin was making the obsessions worse - 3 days without it and they are

better. He is still saying the usual " Sam goes to KMart " kind of thing but

is satisfied quicker with an " OK " . The doc had added the Ritalin at the same

time he stopped the Zoloft and though Sam's counselor thinks the obsession

got worse because the Zoloft was stopped, I don't. The Zoloft never seemed

to work that well with the obsessions anyway. Plus, I think it's what made

him manic yesterday....he has been much better today, the teacher reported a

" great day " something she doesn't say lightly about Sam, LOL!

Just hoping I'm on the right track...can't talk to the doc til tomorrow as

today is a holiday...thanks for your response!

******Terry******

Wife to: Ron

Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

[Guest guest]

(((((Terrry))))) Wow poor you!

I am sending my good vibes!your way....I can't give much advice on meds

cause Ben isn't on any! I hope you have a better day!

Wife to

Mom to Ben (aka Godzilla)

On call milk machine to Abby(aka stinkerbell)

" Some days you are the Bug, some days you are the Windshield "

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Terry,

We got the WOW effect with Paxil and Ritalin. I think that right now, with

we're going to have to either add something more for anxiety or up

the dose though. It could be a hormonal thing with him being 11 1/2 now,

too.

Sue

Re: HELP!!! MANIA!!!!

> In a message dated 10/7/2001 5:26:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> smgaska@... writes:

>

>

> > . It's also possible that the Zoloft doesnt' have the

> > same effect on him if he's been stopped and restarted. This happens

with

> > some meds with autism. I would ask the Dr. to try another SSRI and see

if

> > it will help. In the meantime, I'll pray for strength for you and Ron

(and

> > the other kids!)

> >

> >

>

> I'm afraid that may be what's happened with the Zoloft though to tell the

> truth, I don't think it ever did work that great. When he was on Prozac

we

> had such a WOW effect, we never got that with the Zoloft....

>

> ******Terry******

> Wife to: Ron

> Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I don't know if this will help at all but I always have my boys

medications made into liquids. Complex compounds actually. That way

it is easy for me to give in some drink and easy to give very small

amounts. I just wondered how you were giving Sam a medication in pill

form.

Jacquie H

> In a message dated 10/7/2001 3:47:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> reynoldspm@e... writes:

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> > I'm sorry to hear that Sam is having such a hard time. I am not

> > familiar with risperadol so I can't offer advice on that one. I

do

> > know that the clonidine should slow him down some so you could

dose

> > him with that. I would NOT give him any more zoloft.>>

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> The Clonidine does slow him down some but he has such horrible

rebound from

> it. I'm leaving it off for now unless things get drastic.

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> > was taking Paxil, which is the same type of med as zoloft

and

> > he was HORRID. He had the most awful time and we are positive it

> > made his behavior much worse. He was quite manic like in his

> > behaviors. Even before starting the new meds, just stopping the

> > paxil was an improvement.

> >

> > GOOD LUCK. ((((Ron & Terry))))

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> I'm not giving the Zoloft, either. I hope I'm doing the right

thing...it's

> so hard to know. I try to just rely on my gut on these things but

I tend to

> doubt myself so easily sometimes. My thinking at this point is

that the

> Ritalin was making the obsessions worse - 3 days without it and

they are

> better. He is still saying the usual " Sam goes to KMart " kind of

thing but

> is satisfied quicker with an " OK " . The doc had added the Ritalin

at the same

> time he stopped the Zoloft and though Sam's counselor thinks the

obsession

> got worse because the Zoloft was stopped, I don't. The Zoloft

never seemed

> to work that well with the obsessions anyway. Plus, I think it's

what made

> him manic yesterday....he has been much better today, the teacher

reported a

> " great day " something she doesn't say lightly about Sam, LOL!

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> Just hoping I'm on the right track...can't talk to the doc til

tomorrow as

> today is a holiday...thanks for your response!

>

> ******Terry******

> Wife to: Ron

> Mom to: Alec 10, NVLD - Sam 4, Autism - Abbie 3, PDD-NOS

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