Re: to catherine, confusion about ginko help please !!1

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Dear nne,

You said:

<< I really need some help , I started taking ginko , I also started a

herbal supplement called blood pressure factors by michaels.. It was

reccomended by the healthfood store I frequent.. I am taking the ginko for

the dizziness.. and the bp one for the white coat syndrom and the

boarderline hbp at home.. ( I know I have this because of the trauma that I

have from all the dr.s that I have gone thru since paxil delema and also the

FEAR of bp meds and further side effects) so now I see a monitor and my body

freaks.......... anyhow these bp herbs and nutrients are supposed to help

get it and keep it in the normal range.. We will see.... but I keep looking

up on the internet to see if it is OK to use ginko if there is highblood

pressure.. and it is amazing how many say the OPPOSITE of eachother.. one

says that it is bad and can cause hbp .. and others say it vasodiolates and

can help lower hbp .. I have no Idea what to believe, some also say it can

cause brain bleeds.. ( is that true..??) I truly dont know what to believe

here.. could you please help guide me the right way>>

** You have HBP only when going to see the doctor. The problem is not

your blood pressure. The problem is your level of anxiety when seeing the

doc. You need to address the anxiety not the BP.

Just so people know, as a vasodilator, Ginko is useful in lowering blood

pressure. Don't look for miracles. It will lower it a few points.

Please tell me exactly how you feel when you go to the doctor's office.

Does it begin only when you see the BP cuff or is it the visit itself? Tell

me everything you experience and we will find something to address it.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi catherine, I am going to try to explain it. I hope I am not writing too much but I am praying as I do so hoping I will say the right things to attune you to what is going on and from where..

I am not sure exactally where it started , I know that I did alot of inner child work with therapy after the paxil and discovered that I had had trauma when I was a child with the hospital and dr.s , had tonsils out and believe there were complications and had an outer body experience as a child durring surgury .. this came out durring the many years of inner child work ) we also believe sexual abuse before 2 years old...

.. When I first got the symptoms of the withdrawl of paxil I went to so many dr.s and specialists. I was turned upside down (litterally ) and had so many tests that made me dizzier.. I was also made to do habituation exercises daily and with them never knowing when I would have a vertigo attack that would disable me for the day. I didnt get vertigo every time it usually was one time out of 2 months of the exercises .. but it got to the point that it was pure torture to do them , the fear was so so intense because when it would hit and comeout of the blue the disequalibrium was horrendous and I would litterally shake because of the fear involved . I can only describe it as not knowing where i was in time or space.

To this day I dont roll over in bed , or lay flat . I just have that much fear that has come from this .. ( mind you I used to do yoga positions and exercises that were difficult and be very flexible )

I also Now after paxil , have an incredible fear of drugs and the side effects ( actually have had it before paxil because I was sensitve to meds and even told the dr that RXed the paxil ) So I get scared when I go to the dr. believing they may want to put me on meds and also something about the dr.s office possibly from all the tests I had and fear of them not understanding my sensitivity and maybe because NOT many believe the paxil did any of this and want to put me on other meds.

.. With blood pressure I have been told that there are so many side effects of the blood pressure meds.. and dizziness being one of them . I get worried before i go in the office, I try to breathe and relax and even the dizziness gets worse in the office.

( I dont know if I explained but the dizziness with the rocking feeling also I have alot of intercranial pressure.. pushing and pulling inside my head ) I also get nervous that they will want me to lay flat on the table , I get the feeling that i am falling off the earth when I am laying flat. I pretty much feel like I am never touching the ground. and that the insides of me feet on up are always rocking and pulsing and levitated off the earth.. NOT GROUNDED!!. So just that feeling alone causes anxiety .

add the drs. office and its worse. I USED TO BE SOOOOO GROUNDED>>>> what happened ... the blood pressure, I had it go very high with the mri.. when they gave xanax and it went down. it was 180/100 that day .. then at the dr.s followups after surgury it was 160/100. normally at home it is 130/80 and varys up 5 or so or down as low as 120/78 usually the 130's , but the last 2 days it went to 147/95 at home and that scared me. ( checked it later and was 136/83... Saying all this I realize it is jumping all over the place..

I know in the dr.s office I get panicy sometimes when explaining to the dr.s and almost feel like I may pass out , like I want to run out of there to get relief. Funny , saying this I realize that sometimes when I am really dizzy , I feel like I wish I could run away from the feelings in my body also.. before the paxil and the dizziness, I used to be able to do some self correction cranial sacral unwinding and myofacial release that my body learned somewhere and someother things like tichi that sort of intuitivly comes to me when I let it. I used to do this years ago and rid myself of stress and headaches etc. but now I cant lay or get in the positions that my body used to do to help myself because of the impending doom of the vertigo attacks and the dizziness...If I get in certain positions I feel like I am falling off the planet into a abyss..( I have tried to do it for hours at a time to try to rid the vertigo and it doesnt happen it is just frightful ) and I do get close to that feeling in the dr.s office . Reading this it sounds like I am insane and I know i am not .. thru therapy , we tried to rule out every thing including somaticizing. my therapist that knew me before paxil said that she knows that it had something to do with this. I know this is long .. and I hope it isnt confusing. if it is I would be happy to try to clarify more. I truly appreciate you taking the time to help me with this.. God bless you , nne

Re: to catherine, confusion about ginko help please !!1

Dear nne, You said:<< I really need some help , I started taking ginko , I also started aherbal supplement called blood pressure factors by michaels.. It wasreccomended by the healthfood store I frequent.. I am taking the ginko forthe dizziness.. and the bp one for the white coat syndrom and theboarderline hbp at home.. ( I know I have this because of the trauma that Ihave from all the dr.s that I have gone thru since paxil delema and also theFEAR of bp meds and further side effects) so now I see a monitor and my bodyfreaks.......... anyhow these bp herbs and nutrients are supposed to helpget it and keep it in the normal range.. We will see.... but I keep lookingup on the internet to see if it is OK to use ginko if there is highbloodpressure.. and it is amazing how many say the OPPOSITE of eachother.. onesays that it is bad and can cause hbp .. and others say it vasodiolates andcan help lower hbp .. I have no Idea what to believe, some also say it cancause brain bleeds.. ( is that true..??) I truly dont know what to believehere.. could you please help guide me the right way>> ** You have HBP only when going to see the doctor. The problem is notyour blood pressure. The problem is your level of anxiety when seeing thedoc. You need to address the anxiety not the BP. Just so people know, as a vasodilator, Ginko is useful in lowering bloodpressure. Don't look for miracles. It will lower it a few points. Please tell me exactly how you feel when you go to the doctor's office.Does it begin only when you see the BP cuff or is it the visit itself? Tellme everything you experience and we will find something to address it.Regards,To subscribe to the off-topic list go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/

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i think the bleeding has happened a handful of times. they just want

to scare you away from taking it.

-joe

> Hi , I really need some help , I started taking ginko ,

I also started a herbal supplement called blood pressure factors by

michaels.. It was reccomended by the healthfood store I frequent.. I

am taking the ginko for the dizziness.. and the bp one for the white

coat syndrom and the boarderline hbp at home.. ( I know I have this

because of the trauma that I have from all the dr.s that I have gone

thru since paxil delema and also the FEAR of bp meds and further side

effects) so now I see a monitor and my body freaks.......... anyhow

these bp herbs and nutrients are supposed to help get it and keep it

in the normal range.. We will see.... but I keep looking up on the

internet to see if it is OK to use ginko if there is highblood

pressure.. and it is amazing how many say the OPPOSITE of

eachother.. one says that it is bad and can cause hbp .. and others

say it vasodiolates and can help lower hbp .. I have no Idea what to

believe, some also say it can cause brain bleeds.. ( is that

true..??) I truly dont know what to believe here.. could you please

help guide me the right way.. thanks nne

[Guest guest]

Dear nne,

You said:

<< I am going to try to explain it. I hope I am not writing too much but I

am praying as I do so hoping I will say the right things to attune you to

what is going on and from where..

I am not sure exactally where it started , I know that I did alot of inner

child work with therapy after the paxil and discovered that I had had trauma

when I was a child with the hospital and dr.s , had tonsils out and believe

there were complications and had an outer body experience as a child durring

surgury .. this came out durring the many years of inner child work ) we

also believe sexual abuse before 2 years old...>>

Inner child work--one of the most misguided kinds of therapy to ever

come down the pike. I want everyone to know this. If you are offered the

opportunity to engage in it--don't. Instead, avail yourself to a soul

recovery journey Native American style. There is a book you can read on it

but the website it's at is currently undergoing a facelift. I'll post it

when it's available again.

You said:

<<When I first got the symptoms of the withdrawl of paxil I went to so many

dr.s and specialists. I was turned upside down (litterally ) and had so many

tests that made me dizzier.. I was also made to do habituation exercises

daily and with them never knowing when I would have a vertigo attack that

would disable me for the day. I didnt get vertigo every time it usually was

one time out of 2 months of the exercises .. but it got to the point that it

was pure torture to do them , the fear was so so intense because when it

would hit and comeout of the blue the disequalibrium was horrendous and I

would litterally shake because of the fear involved . I can only describe it

as not knowing where i was in time or space.

To this day I dont roll over in bed , or lay flat . I just have that much

fear that has come from this .. ( mind you I used to do yoga positions and

exercises that were difficult and be very flexible )>>

** I would like to send you a remedy I've had some success with for

what you're describing here. Please write to me privately with your

address.

You said:

<< I also Now after paxil , have an incredible fear of drugs and the side

effects ( actually have had it before paxil because I was sensitve to meds

and even told the dr that RXed the paxil ) So I get scared when I go to the

dr. believing they may want to put me on meds and also something about the

dr.s office possibly from all the tests I had and fear of them not

understanding my sensitivity and maybe because NOT many believe the paxil

did any of this and want to put me on other meds.>>

** They can " want " anything they want. This does not mean you need to

do it. If a physician becomes angry with you over this it is time to get a

new physician who has some boundaries.

You said:

<<. With blood pressure I have been told that there are so many side effects

of the blood pressure meds.. and dizziness being one of them . I get worried

before i go in the office, I try to breathe and relax and even the

dizziness gets worse in the office.

( I dont know if I explained but the dizziness with the rocking feeling

also I have alot of intercranial pressure.. pushing and pulling inside my

head ) I also get nervous that they will want me to lay flat on the table ,

I get the feeling that i am falling off the earth when I am laying flat. I

pretty much feel like I am never touching the ground. and that the insides

of me feet on up are always rocking and pulsing and levitated off the

earth.. NOT GROUNDED!!. So just that feeling alone causes anxiety .

add the drs. office and its worse. I USED TO BE SOOOOO GROUNDED>>>> what

happened ... the blood pressure, I had it go very high with the mri.. when

they gave xanax and it went down. it was 180/100 that day .. then at the

dr.s followups after surgury it was 160/100. normally at home it is 130/80

and varys up 5 or so or down as low as 120/78 usually the 130's , but the

last 2 days it went to 147/95 at home and that scared me. ( checked it later

and was 136/83... Saying all this I realize it is jumping all over the

place..>>

** The origin of this is still the anxiety and the fact that your body

is under stress. I would much rather address the root of the problem than

treat a symptom. This doesn't correct anything. What do you think?

I think it's important to also say that it takes BP much higher than

ytou've mentioned, and for longer periods of time for a person to have a

stroke.

You said:

<< I know in the dr.s office I get panicy sometimes when explaining to the

dr.s and almost feel like I may pass out , like I want to run out of there

to get relief. Funny , saying this I realize that sometimes when I am

really dizzy , I feel like I wish I could run away from the feelings in my

body also.. before the paxil and the dizziness, I used to be able to do

some self correction cranial sacral unwinding and myofacial release that my

body learned somewhere and someother things like tichi that sort of

intuitivly comes to me when I let it. I used to do this years ago and rid

myself of stress and headaches etc. but now I cant lay or get in the

positions that my body used to do to help myself because of the impending

doom of the vertigo attacks and the dizziness...If I get in certain

positions I feel like I am falling off the planet into a abyss..( I have

tried to do it for hours at a time to try to rid the vertigo and it doesnt

happen it is just frightful ) and I do get close to that feeling in the dr.s

office . Reading this it sounds like I am insane and I know i am not ..

thru therapy , we tried to rule out every thing including somaticizing. my

therapist that knew me before paxil said that she knows that it had

something to do with this. I know this is long .. and I hope it

isnt confusing. if it is I would be happy to try to clarify more.>>

** I'd like to try a homeopathic remedy for the vertigo and a flower

essence (probably not Bach, though) for the anxiety that is driving up the

BP. How do you feel about this? Pleae let me know.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

HI catherine ,, I absolutley agree with you that I need to help the root of the problem , Just have tried so many things in the 6 years.. I am in agreement . and want to try the remedies that you feel are correct.....

..( and I am not presently going to any dr.s that are telling me to do things I dont agree with . just in the last years looking for a cure for the vertigo , I have been to about 14 dr.s and all different alternative practitioners also )

I also want you to know I did go to a shaman and we did soul retrievel also . ( but I hate to say it did remind me of the inner child work , very similar , maybe in the way I understood .. because in the inner child work it was all me doing it . I sat and meditated and went inside and talked to myself and let the inner me at varying levels journal and tell a story in order to heal ) Actually when I was done with the sould retrievel I spoke to a friend that really belives in it and I said .. it seems so similar to what I do and have done on my own for so many years......

I would love to try your remedies that you reccomend .. please tell me your address , or I will look for it..back in my files..... and send you my address.. I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR helping me.. God bless , nne

Re: to catherine, confusion about ginko help please !!1

Dear nne, You said:<< I am going to try to explain it. I hope I am not writing too much but Iam praying as I do so hoping I will say the right things to attune you towhat is going on and from where..I am not sure exactally where it started , I know that I did alot of innerchild work with therapy after the paxil and discovered that I had had traumawhen I was a child with the hospital and dr.s , had tonsils out and believethere were complications and had an outer body experience as a child durringsurgury .. this came out durring the many years of inner child work ) wealso believe sexual abuse before 2 years old...>> Inner child work--one of the most misguided kinds of therapy to evercome down the pike. I want everyone to know this. If you are offered theopportunity to engage in it--don't. Instead, avail yourself to a soulrecovery journey Native American style. There is a book you can read on itbut the website it's at is currently undergoing a facelift. I'll post itwhen it's available again. You said:<<When I first got the symptoms of the withdrawl of paxil I went to so manydr.s and specialists. I was turned upside down (litterally ) and had so manytests that made me dizzier.. I was also made to do habituation exercisesdaily and with them never knowing when I would have a vertigo attack thatwould disable me for the day. I didnt get vertigo every time it usually wasone time out of 2 months of the exercises .. but it got to the point that itwas pure torture to do them , the fear was so so intense because when itwould hit and comeout of the blue the disequalibrium was horrendous and Iwould litterally shake because of the fear involved . I can only describe itas not knowing where i was in time or space.To this day I dont roll over in bed , or lay flat . I just have that muchfear that has come from this .. ( mind you I used to do yoga positions andexercises that were difficult and be very flexible )>> ** I would like to send you a remedy I've had some success with forwhat you're describing here. Please write to me privately with youraddress. You said:<< I also Now after paxil , have an incredible fear of drugs and the sideeffects ( actually have had it before paxil because I was sensitve to medsand even told the dr that RXed the paxil ) So I get scared when I go to thedr. believing they may want to put me on meds and also something about thedr.s office possibly from all the tests I had and fear of them notunderstanding my sensitivity and maybe because NOT many believe the paxildid any of this and want to put me on other meds.>> ** They can "want" anything they want. This does not mean you need todo it. If a physician becomes angry with you over this it is time to get anew physician who has some boundaries. You said:<<. With blood pressure I have been told that there are so many side effectsof the blood pressure meds.. and dizziness being one of them . I get worriedbefore i go in the office, I try to breathe and relax and even thedizziness gets worse in the office.( I dont know if I explained but the dizziness with the rocking feelingalso I have alot of intercranial pressure.. pushing and pulling inside myhead ) I also get nervous that they will want me to lay flat on the table ,I get the feeling that i am falling off the earth when I am laying flat. Ipretty much feel like I am never touching the ground. and that the insidesof me feet on up are always rocking and pulsing and levitated off theearth.. NOT GROUNDED!!. So just that feeling alone causes anxiety . add the drs. office and its worse. I USED TO BE SOOOOO GROUNDED>>>> whathappened ... the blood pressure, I had it go very high with the mri.. whenthey gave xanax and it went down. it was 180/100 that day .. then at thedr.s followups after surgury it was 160/100. normally at home it is 130/80and varys up 5 or so or down as low as 120/78 usually the 130's , but thelast 2 days it went to 147/95 at home and that scared me. ( checked it laterand was 136/83... Saying all this I realize it is jumping all over theplace..>> ** The origin of this is still the anxiety and the fact that your bodyis under stress. I would much rather address the root of the problem thantreat a symptom. This doesn't correct anything. What do you think? I think it's important to also say that it takes BP much higher thanytou've mentioned, and for longer periods of time for a person to have astroke. You said:<< I know in the dr.s office I get panicy sometimes when explaining to thedr.s and almost feel like I may pass out , like I want to run out of thereto get relief. Funny , saying this I realize that sometimes when I amreally dizzy , I feel like I wish I could run away from the feelings in mybody also.. before the paxil and the dizziness, I used to be able to dosome self correction cranial sacral unwinding and myofacial release that mybody learned somewhere and someother things like tichi that sort ofintuitivly comes to me when I let it. I used to do this years ago and ridmyself of stress and headaches etc. but now I cant lay or get in thepositions that my body used to do to help myself because of the impendingdoom of the vertigo attacks and the dizziness...If I get in certainpositions I feel like I am falling off the planet into a abyss..( I havetried to do it for hours at a time to try to rid the vertigo and it doesnthappen it is just frightful ) and I do get close to that feeling in the dr.soffice . Reading this it sounds like I am insane and I know i am not ..thru therapy , we tried to rule out every thing including somaticizing. mytherapist that knew me before paxil said that she knows that it hadsomething to do with this. I know this is long .. and I hope itisnt confusing. if it is I would be happy to try to clarify more.>> ** I'd like to try a homeopathic remedy for the vertigo and a floweressence (probably not Bach, though) for the anxiety that is driving up theBP. How do you feel about this? Pleae let me know.Regards,To subscribe to the off-topic list go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/