Re: 382 Hz. for B. garinii (comment on this old post)

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry,

This is interesting, because I just recently spoke with on this very topic.

did tell me, that coilers in Europe, who may have the B. garinii strain,

did in fact respond strongly to 432 Hz. I was surprised, as I was under the

impression that 382 Hz. was the correct frequency for the B. garinii strain.

BTW - B. garinii exhibits symptoms of neuro Lyme, most pronounced. The other

prominent strain of Borrelia responsible for Lyme, B. afzelii, exhibits

dermatoborreliosis (severe Lyme skin disease), and is not prevalent in the U.S.

Borrelia burgdorferi, " sensu stricto " , is the one that exhibits symptoms of Lyme

arthritis, most pronounced. But all the strains can and do, exhibit all the

symptoms mentioned (maybe not severe skin disease, though). This is all

according to Harrod Buhner, in his wonderful book, " Healing Lyme "

(highly recommended for THE BEST scientific info on Lyme anywhere). On pp. 10 -

11, Buhner lists those 3 main strains, plus 9 others, that you may not be aware

of.

I don't know what to say about each strain of Borrelia, having a corresponding

effective frequency. If you are interested, you might want to discuss that with

. All I know is the feedback he has on 432 Hz., from coilers in Europe. It

is effective.

So, what to think? If you are responding to 382 Hz., you could be hitting a

different pathogen. I just don't know.

- Jane

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> >

> > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> >

> >

> > Greetings everyone

> >

> > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency 382Hz?

> >

> > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation software CD.

Does anyone know where I could find it?

> >

> > Many thanks,

> >

> > RW

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of Lyme

then please put an OT: in the subject line.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry,

Thanks for this post. I have found the same thing to be true with the

Mycoplasma frequency. The frequencies recommended by are a place to start,

and obviously resolved his health issues, but we all have different strains of

Lyme, Mycoplasma and other coinfections. I used 690 and it did help, but it did

not resolve all of the Mycoplasma strains that I was infected with and that is

why I started running Mycoplasma sweeps. After several weeks of doing

Mycoplasma sweeps on the F117 the constipation issues that I have had for many

years resolved. I don't know if it hit on Mycoplasma or if it may have

inadvertantly hit on some other pathogen, but it has helped immensely.

> >

> >

> > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> >

> >

> > Greetings everyone

> >

> > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency 382Hz?

> >

> > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation software CD.

Does anyone know where I could find it?

> >

> > Many thanks,

> >

> > RW

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of Lyme

then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> >

> > -------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Jan, I'm interested if you get the same type of herx response from 432 Hz and

382 Hz? My herx response to 382 was distinctively similar to 432, while herxes

to treating other co-infections have been different.

Jane, thanks for this information. Its curious because I would say that my

symptomology is more arthritic, plus some more mild neuro symptoms such as brain

fog, burning sensations. So from Buhner's descriptions, I would say that I have

B. burgdorferi. But maybe I have more than one strain or a less common one. I

think my initial testing showed Bb.

I will need to experiment for a time and see if I continue to have a pattern of

not herxing to 432 Hz (after months of herxes) and strong herxes to 382 Hz.

, your experience with mycoplasma is one reason I thought to do some

experimenting while testing my vials.

Thanks to you all!

Sherry

> > >

> > >

> > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Greetings everyone

> > >

> > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency 382Hz?

> > >

> > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation software

CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > >

> > > Many thanks,

> > >

> > > RW

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of Lyme

then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry,

IMHO if you are experiencing a similar herx on 432 and 382, then depending on

how often you coil, how about rotating and doing 432 one time and 382 the next.

That way you are hitting the two strains keeping one strain from taking over

while you eradicate the other. You obviously will make progress if you continue

to herx on both frequencies.

Doug MacClean stayed on one frequency at a time I am guessing partly because

of convenience, but also to ascertain which frequencies would cause the most

herxing. This option to stay on one frequency until you no longer herx and then

switch to the other, has it's benefits, but also it's down side and I

experienced both.

I just used 432 once a week for 35 minutes and got to a point where I was no

longer herxing on 432 and felt a lot better with no Lyme symptoms and then a

month or so later I had arthritis symptoms take over. I did this and kind of

regret not hitting the Mycoplasma frequency 690 every other day while I was

running lyme 432 once a week. Because the Mycoplasma really took over after the

Lyme was no longer problematic. I think if I could have kept it back by running

690 every other day for a very short amount of time maybe a minute, I might not

have had such a BIG Mycoplasma load when I had eradicated the Lyme. I was

afraid of too strong of a herx because my body is very slow to detox and I also

had to work full time while treating Lyme.

It is interesting because 's observations about Mycoplasma taking over after

Lyme has been knocked back matched mine. I also am in the Bionnic/880 and PE1

group and several of the folks in that group had the same observation that Lyme

in it's last stages of treatment often manifests as Mycoplasma. I have

continued to treat Mycoplasma and not Lyme while I was not Lyme symptomatic. I

don't think it does any good to treat Lyme when you are not symptomatic, but

others may disagree. I don't think the coil can get encysted Lyme, so you have

to be patient and wait for it to come out on it's own. Treating Mycoplasma has

resolved most of my Arthritis.

I am now only Lyme symptomatic for a very short time in the fall and spring and

I am hoping that these flares will eventually quit as 's did, but I also may

have more encysted Lyme due to antibiotics usage for chronic sinusitis and

various herbs that I have taken. So I will just have to take a wait and see

approach to the cysts. My MD wanted to put me on Flagyl to bust the cysts, but

I don't want to add to my Candida load which was brought on by abx.

I got the Ergopathics Rheumatoid Arthritis kit and my MD muscle tested me on all

of the vials in the kit and found a very strong hit on Mycoplasma Arthritis. I

then switched over to 690 and some homeopathics for Mycoplasma. My arthritis is

so much better now, but I am still having lyme flares in fall and spring that

432 seems to knock back pretty quickly. After reading your post on 382, and

Janes information, I am thinking of trying it to see if I herx on it and then

may alternate between the two frequencies to see if it has any added benefit

over just running 432 alone. I am at a place in my treatment that I can afford

to experiment a little, so I will let you know if I herx on 382 during this

flare.

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> > > >

> > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Greetings everyone

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > >

> > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation software

CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks,

> > > >

> > > > RW

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of

Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > > >

> > > > -------------------------------

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I have both B.garinii and BB so herxing is similar.Most of my issues now are of the neurological and while I get pain herxing , much of it tends to be brain fog herxes.I started on the herb tincture of venus fly trap about 10days ago and have had both types of herxing from itjan Re: 382 Hz. for B. garinii (comment on this old post) Posted by: "scdlymie" scdlymie@... scdlymie Date: Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:33 pm ((PDT))Jan, I'm interested if you get the same type of herx response from 432 Hz and 382 Hz? My herx response to 382 was distinctively similar to 432, while herxes to treating other co-infections have been different. Jane, thanks for this information. Its curious because I would say that my symptomology is more arthritic, plus some more mild neuro symptoms such as brain fog, burning sensations. So from Buhner's descriptions, I would say that I have B. burgdorferi. But maybe I have more than one strain or a less common one. I think my

initial testing showed Bb.I will need to experiment for a time and see if I continue to have a pattern of not herxing to 432 Hz (after months of herxes) and strong herxes to 382 Hz., your experience with mycoplasma is one reason I thought to do some experimenting while testing my vials.Thanks to you all!Sherry "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller

[Guest guest]

, the idea of alternating is a good thought. Just today I tried doing both

frequencies on the same day a couple of hours apart. My thought was to be able

to keep the herx schedule together and predictable, so that I can continue to do

a little on the other infections I have. Of course I won't know which I am

reacting to but I can always do them separately at some point, and can also

muscle test it with my vials.

I know it makes more sense to treat one infection at a time, IF you want to

figure out a herx response or whatever. But your comments about mycoplasma

getting the chance to take over is kind of what I have noticed with symptoms and

testing my energy vials. So I've been doing the other co-infections at least a

little bit along with focusing on borrelia during the fall season.

Sherry

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> > > > >

> > > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Greetings everyone

> > > > >

> > > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation

software CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > > RW

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of

Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jan, that's helpful, and sounds similar actually. So I'm going to

proceed with the hypothesis that I have both forms as well. I'm going to keep

experimenting using both frequencies.

Sherry

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>

>

> I have both  B.garinii and BB so herxing is similar.Most of my issues now are

of the neurological  and while I get pain herxing , much of it tends to be brain

fog herxes.I started on  the herb tincture of venus fly trap about 10days ago

and have had both types of herxing from it

> jan

>

>

>  Re: 382 Hz. for B. garinii (comment on this old post)

>     Posted by: " scdlymie "  scdlymie@... scdlymie

>     Date: Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:33 pm ((PDT))

>

> Jan, I'm interested if you get the same type of herx response from 432 Hz and

382 Hz?  My herx response to 382 was distinctively similar to 432, while herxes

to treating other co-infections have been different. 

>

> Jane, thanks for this information.  Its curious because I would say that my

symptomology is more arthritic, plus some more mild neuro symptoms such as brain

fog, burning sensations.  So from Buhner's descriptions, I would say that I have

B. burgdorferi.  But maybe I have more than one strain or a less common one.  I

think my initial testing showed Bb.

>

> I will need to experiment for a time and see if I continue to have a pattern

of not herxing to 432 Hz (after months of herxes) and strong herxes to 382 Hz.

>

> , your experience with mycoplasma is one reason I thought to do some

experimenting while testing my vials.

>

> Thanks to you all!

> Sherry

>

>  

> " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything

> really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and

to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller

>

[Guest guest]

, the idea of alternating is a good thought. Just today I tried doing both

frequencies on the same day a couple of hours apart. My thought was to be able

to keep the herx schedule together and predictable, so that I can continue to do

a little on the other infections I have. Of course I won't know which I am

reacting to but I can always do them separately at some point, and can also

muscle test it with my vials.

I know it makes more sense to treat one infection at a time, IF you want to

figure out a herx response or whatever. But your comments about mycoplasma

getting the chance to take over is kind of what I have noticed with symptoms and

testing my energy vials. So I've been doing the other co-infections at least a

little bit along with focusing on borrelia during the fall season.

Sherry

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Greetings everyone

> > > > >

> > > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation

software CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > > RW

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of

Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > > > >

> > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi again, Sherry (and all),

Just a reminder - the source for 382 Hz., came directly from the CAFL, and is a

" harmonic " of the frequency listed there, 382000 Hz., which is way too high to

run on the coil machine.

According to , harmonics do not work (as I recall - I asked him awhile ago).

Anyone interested can confirm this with him.

You will notice, that frequencies for multiple " phases " and strains of Lyme are

listed on the CAFL, and that 432 Hz. is just one of a load of other frequencies,

and is listed under just 3 out of 15 separate catagories for Lyme.

Have you tried 387 Hz.? I have heard that frequency is effective for anaplasma,

and it's very close to 382 Hz.(it's not, however, listed on the CAFL for

anaplasmosis). Perhaps you are indeed hitting another pathogen, and not another

strain of Lyme, being that 's feedback is that all strains of Lyme respond

to 432 Hz.

You will also notice, that some of the frequencies that are listed as being

effective for Lyme on the CAFL, have proven out to be effectve for some of the

coinfections, and not Lyme, per se. Also notable, the heading, " Lyme eggs " on

the CAFL is not applicable, as we know that cysts to do not respond to rife at

all, and only active spiros can be treated.

Just a thought to consider. It's very difficult to determine exactly what

infections are responding to which frequencies, sometimes. How sorted all

of this out is just plain remarkable, and a testament to a fine mind and a

determined spirit.

- Jane (see CAFL for Lyme, below)

FREQUENCIES FOR LYME FROM CAFL:

Lyme_disease (also known as borreliosis; relapsing fever in humans and animals

caused by parasitic spirochetes from ticks. Also use Babesia if necessary.) -

6870, 6863, 46866, 46851, 34170, 34112, 4200, 2050, 2016, 1520, 1455, 920, 884,

800, 797, 758, 673, 625, 615, 605, 432, 345, 344, 338, 254

Lyme_1 - 864, 495, 485, 490, 495, 500, 505, 625, 610, 615, 620, 625, 630, 690,

790, 785, 790, 795

Lyme_2 (use 625 for 10 min, 615 for 5 min) - 10000, 6870, 6863, 4200, 2720,

2050, 2016, 1520, 1455, 943, 920, 885, 884, 880, 864, 800, 797, 795, 790, 785,

758, 732, 727, 699, 690, 688, 673, 664, 673, 660, 644, 630, 625, 620, 615, 610,

605, 597, 534, 533, 525, 510, 505, 495, 485, 490, 500, 484, 432, 345, 344, 338,

306, 254, 230, 3

Lyme_3 – 27735768, 1380882.58, 68750.10, 3422.87

Lyme_4 (use 2016 and 625 for 10 min, others for 5 min) - 2050, 1520, 615, 2016,

625

Lyme_5 (use 920 for 10 min) - 920

Lyme_6 (borrelia afzellii) - 387500

Lyme_7 (borrelia burgdorferi) - 380000

Lyme_8 (borrelia garinii) - 382000

Lyme_hatchlings_eggs - 640, 8554, 203, 412, 414, 589, 667, 840, 1000, 1072,

1087, 1105

Lyme_JB - 27735768

Lyme_secondary (254*) - 254, 525, 597, 644, 885, 699

Lyme_tertiary - 306, 432, 484, 610, 625, 690, 864, 2016, 790

Lyme_TR_A (Program A, run every other day) – 6675, 4879, 2899, 2720, 2016, 1800,

1600, 1550, 1519, 1455, 1433, 885, 880, 863, 828, 802, 786, 776

Lyme_TR_B (Program B, run every other day) – 765, 758, 749, 726, 672, 604, 600,

581, 464, 451, 432, 345, 250, 144, 62

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> > > >

> > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Greetings everyone

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > >

> > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation software

CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks,

> > > >

> > > > RW

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of

Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > > >

> > > > -------------------------------

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane,

Your point about this being a different pathogen altogether is well taken. I

have been having the most success lately with sweeps. Unfortunately, you can't

sweep on a coil machine. That is why, I think having a device that can do

sweeps and a coil is the most effective, if you are not sure what infections you

are dealing with.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Greetings everyone

> > > > >

> > > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation

software CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > > RW

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of

Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > > > >

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> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jane for this further information. I too respect 's perspective, he

also impresses me as being open to new information.

This is quite curious, I wonder how 382 Hz was calculated as a harmonic? Do you

know who initially tried it? Since Jan has a similar experience with it, that

makes at least two of us.

I realize that this frequency could be for something else entirely. However, at

this point, my sense is that I am hitting a borrelia strain. There are several

reasons.

First, the herx is distinctively like the herx for 432 hz, while no other

frequency I've tried for bart, erlichia, babesia, CPN, and some others have

produced this same set of symptoms. At the same time, there is a slight

difference to the herx in terms of timing, it hits at 6-8 hours instead of 2

days, and has somewhat more pain than fatigue/fog compared to 432 Hz herxes.

I've now treated twice with the same effect.

Second, 382 Hz energy tested as a strong positive for my borrelia vial which

contains a number of strains, then produced a very strong positive on the coil.

Third, after treating with it, I stopped testing positive for the borrelia vial

temporarily, which had not always been the case when testing after treating with

432 hz. At some point, I should work through the full list of fx for lyme on

CAFL with my testing vial and see what comes up. My energy vial contains:

" Borrelias burgdoferi, garinii, azfeli, and lonestarii: both their cyst and

regular forms plus all 40 US subspecies of Borrelia burgdoferi. "

Actually I have used 387 Hz quite a bit, its what I used to treat C Diff. I

responded to it, but not like a borrelia herx. As I recall, it was more slight

cramping while using this on my gut, and maybe some fatigue/fog. But it was

never an intense response. So I don't think the effectiveness of 382 HZ is

related to it being near 387 Hz, at least for me. It did seem to clear the C

Diff although I haven't done a lab test for confirmation.

Sherry

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Greetings everyone

> > > > >

> > > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation

software CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > > RW

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of

Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > > > >

> > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry,

In answer to your question about the harmonic of 382 Hz. and how it was

calculated - it was derived by dividing the frequency listed on the CAFL for B.

garinii, 382000 Hz., by 1000. That's it. Please note that the frequency listed

on the CAFL for B. burgdorferi is 380000 (I know of no one in any rife group

who's used that one for B. burgdorferi, or the harmonic of it, 380 Hz., with

success).

Just as a reminder - the CAFL is electroherbalism's own compiled list of

frequencies, along with their other list, the NCFL. For anyone who has not seen

the webpage on the electroherbalism site, which explains the history of those

two lists (and others), here is the link:

http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/IntrotoFr\

equenciesandAnecdotes.htm

Understanding how those frequencis were compiled, etc., is relevant for all

rifers.

What I will say, is that I introduced this info, because it is factual, only.

Your personal experience overrides any " data " , because it is a message from your

own body in response to treatment, and that's the bottom line, all " data "

notwithstanding.

This " data " we have about 382 Hz. may or may not be relevant anyway, as it's

very difficult to know the truth about this frequency. The feedback we have is

spotty, at best. has feedback from coilers in Europe who've used 432 Hz.

for Borrelia. That does not necessarily mean that they are addressing the B.

garinii strain with 432 Hz. It could mean that those coilers have the B.

burgdorferi strain, as well as the B.garninii strain, or it could even mean

something else entirely.

It is impossible to know for sure what's really going on, without a scientific

study, or at the very least, utilizing the scientific method to examine a larger

sample of coiler's experiences.

's view about harmonics not being a viable method for reducing down higher

frequencies for use with the coil machine, could or could not acutally be the

case. In all truth, 's feedback and personal experience is limited. A

scientific study of good numbers of coilers would be necessary to prove this

out, one way or another. So, it's really all conjecture, at this stage.

If 382 Hz. is working for you, that's great! Go for it, and keep going with it,

as far as you feel you need to. Finding an effective frequency is almost like

striking gold, so I'd say that you are quite lucky. In any event, you are

killing something, whether it's B. garinii, or another pathogen, and that's a

good thing.

Best,

Jane

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Greetings everyone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation

software CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RW

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment

of Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi, Jane.

Yes, that was my conclusion when I searched online, that the only frequency on

a published list was 382 KHz.

So yes, it is more of a question mark. I didn't realize when I experimented how

very much of an experiment it was!

Sherry

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Greetings everyone

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation

software CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Many thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RW

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment

of Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Here's some further ideas. I happened to reread this site today by a

practitioner using energy testing to determine frequencies.

http://www.lymeprotocol.com/advanced.html

Scrolling down that page, I noticed one of the frequencies is very close to 382

Hz, it is 380.53 Hz which is for " borrelia cyst, dermal layer. " That is close

enough that the coil might be hitting it as I recall said something like it

would be effective for at least a range of 1 hz either way. I've been running

the 4 minutes over my liver, so I would think I am hitting more than cysts just

in that area but who knows.

Of course so far we don't think rife will kill cysts, so this is quite

interesting. A poster on another forum has speculated that when he treated his

wife with DNA frequencies, one of them caused Bb to move out of cyst form. It

is an interesting guess.

There is a long list of various Bb frequencies on this site, so I wondered if

you might be able to use that to test yourself, . You have several

machines so have the capacity to run higher frequencies as well.

I'm now curious enough that I might test myself with the frequency generator

using this list of frequencies, even if I can't run those exact numbers with the

coil.

A lot of the stuff she says here is over my head and certainly beyond the basic

muscle testing I am doing. Still it is fascinating to read.

Sherry

> >

> >

> > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> >

> >

> > Greetings everyone

> >

> > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency 382Hz?

> >

> > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation software CD.

Does anyone know where I could find it?

> >

> > Many thanks,

> >

> > RW

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of Lyme

then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> >

> > -------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

An addendum, I still test strongly for 382 Hz, but tested negative for 380.53

from that website.

Sherry

> > >

> > >

> > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Greetings everyone

> > >

> > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency 382Hz?

> > >

> > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation software

CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > >

> > > Many thanks,

> > >

> > > RW

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of Lyme

then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry,

Thanks for the info. I have used a couple of frequencies from this site. It

was the only place besides Char Boehm's DNA frequencies that listed Mycoplasma

Hominis. My Homeopath/MD energetically tested me and said that I had a raging

Mycoplasma Hominis infection, which might explain why I didn't totally eradicate

Mycoplasma using 690. I have run the Mycoplasma Hominis frequency and did find

quite a bit of improvement, between the frequency listed on the site and the

Mycoplasma sweep that comes on the F117. I did buy Char Boehms Lyme and

Mycoplasma Hominis frequencies. They were $10.00 for each set, so I figured I

would give them a shot. I have heard mixed reviews on them, but

who is respected in the Rife community believes that they work. I haven't had a

chance to test them out much, but will give them a shot and let you know if I

respond.

> > >

> > >

> > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Greetings everyone

> > >

> > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency 382Hz?

> > >

> > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation software

CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > >

> > > Many thanks,

> > >

> > > RW

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of Lyme

then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'll be interested in what happens, .

Since I got curious, I took my vials and tested through the long list of

frequencies on that site. Compared to testing I've done on CAFL working through

lists of numbers, I had a very high percentage of positives to these. 3/3 babs,

11/15 mycoplasma, 15/23 bartonella, and all but maybe 6-8 of the borrelia.

I only got about 50% on the " universal sample " list.

Sherry

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Greetings everyone

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > >

> > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation software

CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks,

> > > >

> > > > RW

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of

Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > > >

> > > > -------------------------------

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I want to mention something about harmonics. I'm not an expert in this area but

this is what I understand.

You cannot derive a harmonic by dividing the fundamental frequency. Harmonics

are always multiplications of the fundamental frequency - usually 2x or 3x, or

some other multiple of a prime number.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic

There is not a good reason to say that 382 Hz is a harmonic of 382000 Hz. The

idea about dividing 382000 Hz by 1000 (which is a 10 to the third power) seems

to be influenced by the fact that we use 10-based number system - this type of

division is convenient but does not result in a harmonic of the fundamental

frequency.

The technique of dividing a high fundamental frequency so that you have a

frequency that is lower than the 2000 Hz range of the Coil Machine *is* useful.

Probably a new term needs to be invented to describe this; something like a

*reverse harmonic* or a *lower order harmonic* or a *harmonic factor*.

To derive a reverse harmonic for 382000 Hz so that it is in the audio frequency

range you could divide by a power of 2 or a power of 3.

Some powers of 2.

2^10 = 1024

2^9 = 512

2^8 = 256

Some powers of 3.

3^6 = 729

3^5 = 243

Some example reverse harmonic frequencies of 382000.

382000 / 1024 = 373.0

382000 / 512 = 746.1

382000 / 256 = 1492.2

382000 / 729 = 524.0

382000 / 243 = 1572.0

Here is another example. Roy Rife's frequency for syphilis (Treponema pallidum a

spirochete similar to Borellia) is 900000 Hz.

http://www.royalrife.com/mor.jpg

900000 / (2^11) = 90000 / 2048 = 439.5 Hz

The frequency 439.5 Hz reminds me of 432 Hz that people actually use against

Borrelia burgdorferi, but it is not close enough to be considered equivalent.

It is much closer to 440 Hz which is used in many many conditions according to

the reverse CAFL list.

http://www.drloyd.com/reverse_cafl.html

I have no doubt that frequency 382 Hz will be effective for some people because

the nearby frequencies 380, 381, 383, and 385 Hz all appear multiple times in

the CAFL list associated with many conditions. But frequency 382 Hz does not

appear in the CAFL list. It is not clear that 382 Hz can be associated with

Borrelia garinii.

380 Hz

Abdominal_inflammation

ALS_2 (Potential causative viruses)

Bone_trauma

sackie_General

Enterovirus_General

Mucous_membrane_inflammation_general

Parasites_roundworms_comp

Parasites_strongyloides_secondary

Pharyngitis

Sore_throat_comp

381 Hz

Trichophyton_nagel

Biliary_cirrhosis

Candida

Cirrhosis_biliary

382 Hz - Does not appear in the CAFL list.

383 Hz

Herpes_general

Cancer_tertiary

384 Hz

sackie_B1

Fibromyalgia_TR

Geotrichum_candidum (fungus)

Kieferosteitis (a type of bone inflammation)

>

> Hi Sherry,

>

> In answer to your question about the harmonic of 382 Hz. and how it was

calculated - it was derived by dividing the frequency listed on the CAFL for B.

garinii, 382000 Hz., by 1000. That's it. Please note that the frequency listed

on the CAFL for B. burgdorferi is 380000 (I know of no one in any rife group

who's used that one for B. burgdorferi, or the harmonic of it, 380 Hz., with

success).

>

> Just as a reminder - the CAFL is electroherbalism's own compiled list of

frequencies, along with their other list, the NCFL. For anyone who has not seen

the webpage on the electroherbalism site, which explains the history of those

two lists (and others), here is the link:

>

>

http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/IntrotoFr\

equenciesandAnecdotes.htm

>

> Understanding how those frequencis were compiled, etc., is relevant for all

rifers.

>

> What I will say, is that I introduced this info, because it is factual, only.

Your personal experience overrides any " data " , because it is a message from your

own body in response to treatment, and that's the bottom line, all " data "

notwithstanding.

>

> This " data " we have about 382 Hz. may or may not be relevant anyway, as it's

very difficult to know the truth about this frequency. The feedback we have is

spotty, at best. has feedback from coilers in Europe who've used 432 Hz.

for Borrelia. That does not necessarily mean that they are addressing the B.

garinii strain with 432 Hz. It could mean that those coilers have the B.

burgdorferi strain, as well as the B.garninii strain, or it could even mean

something else entirely.

>

> It is impossible to know for sure what's really going on, without a scientific

study, or at the very least, utilizing the scientific method to examine a larger

sample of coiler's experiences.

>

> 's view about harmonics not being a viable method for reducing down higher

frequencies for use with the coil machine, could or could not acutally be the

case. In all truth, 's feedback and personal experience is limited. A

scientific study of good numbers of coilers would be necessary to prove this

out, one way or another. So, it's really all conjecture, at this stage.

>

> If 382 Hz. is working for you, that's great! Go for it, and keep going with

it, as far as you feel you need to. Finding an effective frequency is almost

like striking gold, so I'd say that you are quite lucky. In any event, you are

killing something, whether it's B. garinii, or another pathogen, and that's a

good thing.

>

> Best,

> Jane

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry,

I just talked with Levy and he said that he had a conversation with Doug

MacClean about using the coil and frequencies to kill Lyme. He said that Doug

said it took nearly a minute to kill a spirochete and if you run a frequency for

less then a minute, you may stun it, but it won't die. That is interesting

because that means that some of the preprogrammed sweeps will not work on Lyme

if that is true.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Greetings everyone

> > > > >

> > > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation

software CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > > RW

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of

Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > > > >

> > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Right. I also tried the 2.71828183 on the CAFL to convert and there isn't

anything near 382 Hz. At this point, while I still think I am hitting something

that is borrelia, I'm not assuming it is garinii.

Sherry

> >

> > Hi Sherry,

> >

> > In answer to your question about the harmonic of 382 Hz. and how it was

calculated - it was derived by dividing the frequency listed on the CAFL for B.

garinii, 382000 Hz., by 1000. That's it. Please note that the frequency listed

on the CAFL for B. burgdorferi is 380000 (I know of no one in any rife group

who's used that one for B. burgdorferi, or the harmonic of it, 380 Hz., with

success).

> >

> > Just as a reminder - the CAFL is electroherbalism's own compiled list of

frequencies, along with their other list, the NCFL. For anyone who has not seen

the webpage on the electroherbalism site, which explains the history of those

two lists (and others), here is the link:

> >

> >

http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/IntrotoFr\

equenciesandAnecdotes.htm

> >

> > Understanding how those frequencis were compiled, etc., is relevant for all

rifers.

> >

> > What I will say, is that I introduced this info, because it is factual,

only. Your personal experience overrides any " data " , because it is a message

from your own body in response to treatment, and that's the bottom line, all

" data " notwithstanding.

> >

> > This " data " we have about 382 Hz. may or may not be relevant anyway, as it's

very difficult to know the truth about this frequency. The feedback we have is

spotty, at best. has feedback from coilers in Europe who've used 432 Hz.

for Borrelia. That does not necessarily mean that they are addressing the B.

garinii strain with 432 Hz. It could mean that those coilers have the B.

burgdorferi strain, as well as the B.garninii strain, or it could even mean

something else entirely.

> >

> > It is impossible to know for sure what's really going on, without a

scientific study, or at the very least, utilizing the scientific method to

examine a larger sample of coiler's experiences.

> >

> > 's view about harmonics not being a viable method for reducing down

higher frequencies for use with the coil machine, could or could not acutally be

the case. In all truth, 's feedback and personal experience is limited. A

scientific study of good numbers of coilers would be necessary to prove this

out, one way or another. So, it's really all conjecture, at this stage.

> >

> > If 382 Hz. is working for you, that's great! Go for it, and keep going with

it, as far as you feel you need to. Finding an effective frequency is almost

like striking gold, so I'd say that you are quite lucky. In any event, you are

killing something, whether it's B. garinii, or another pathogen, and that's a

good thing.

> >

> > Best,

> > Jane

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm. Adding having to rife through body tissues, Jane's 3 minutes per body

part makes even more sense.

Sherry

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Greetings everyone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation

software CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RW

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment

of Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes, yes! I've been saying this for a long time. Doug MacLean's protocol for

treating wtih the coil machine, is where I got that 3 minute info, originally,

thanks to 's generous upload of his document (quite awhile ago). Thank you,

! You can find it in the group files.

Working up to 3 MINUTES per body part, is recommended by Doug MacLean. You can

add to that treatment time later on, if you feel you need to. I still do my

abdomen over my liver for 5 minutes. All other body parts are treated for 3

minutes in my personal schedule. This takes a quite some time to complete, each

week. I found it to be very effective.

What I also found to be effective, and necessary, is to cover every inch of the

entire body surface with the coil, for total coverage. That way, one is not

missing any hidden colonies of Bb. You may or may not currently have symptoms in

a body part, but you may have colonies there nonetheless, and herx in that area

only when you coil it, directly. This happened to me, repeatedly.

If anyone is interested in downloading Doug MacLean's coiling document from the

group files, please be apprised that the effective frequencies Doug lists are

somewhat misleading. Some work only in vitro (like 612 Hz.), and some are

effective for the coinfections. When Doug was treating over 20 years ago, he was

not aware of the coinfections, etc. I mention this to avoid confusion regarding

Doug's list of effective frequencies. has sorted this out, and we now have

more clear info regarding effective frequencies for Lyme and co's.

- Jane

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Greetings everyone

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation

software CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Many thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RW

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment

of Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

directly FROM THE CAFL see 382000 marked with * for lyme garinii.This is why we use 382 with the coil Lyme_and_Rocky_Mtn_Spotted_Fever_v - 7989, 1590, 239, 846, 422, 417, 1455, 39975, 40439, 884, 797, 758, 693, 673, 577, 4870, 4880, 578, 128, 579Lyme_disease (also known as borreliosis; relapsing fever in humans and animals caused by parasitic spirochetes from ticks. Also use Babesia if necessary.) - 6870, 6863, 46866, 46851, 34170, 34112, 4200, 2050, 2016, 1520, 1455, 920, 884, 800, 797, 758, 673, 625, 615, 605,

432, 345, 344, 338, 254Lyme_1 - 864, 495, 485, 490, 495, 500, 505, 625, 610, 615, 620, 625, 630, 690, 790, 785, 790, 795Lyme_2 (use 625 for 10 min, 615 for 5 min) - 10000, 6870, 6863, 4200, 2720, 2050, 2016, 1520, 1455, 943, 920, 885, 884, 880, 864, 800, 797, 795, 790, 785, 758, 732, 727, 699, 690, 688, 673, 664, 673, 660, 644, 630, 625, 620, 615, 610, 605, 597, 534, 533, 525, 510, 505, 495, 485, 490, 500, 484, 432, 345, 344, 338, 306, 254, 230, 3Lyme_3 – 27735768, 1380882.58, 68750.10, 3422.87Lyme_4 (use 2016 and 625 for 10 min, others for 5 min) - 2050, 1520, 615, 2016, 625Lyme_5 (use 920 for 10 min) - 920Lyme_6 (borrelia afzellii) - 387500Lyme_7 (borrelia burgdorferi) - 380000*Lyme_8 (borrelia garinii) - 382000Lyme_hatchlings_eggs - 640, 8554, 203, 412, 414, 589, 667, 840, 1000, 1072, 1087, 1105Lyme_JB - 27735768Lyme_secondary (254*) - 254, 525, 597, 644, 885, 699Lyme_tertiary - 306, 432, 484, 610,

625, 690, 864, 2016, 790Lyme_TR_A (Program A, run every other day) – 6675, 4879, 2899, 2720, 2016, 1800, 1600, 1550, 1519, 1455, 1433, 885, 880, 863, 828, 802, 786, 776Lyme_TR_B (Program B, run every other day) – 765, 758, 749, 726, 672, 604, 600, 581, 464, 451, 432, 345, 250, 144, 62"Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller

[Guest guest]

HI,

Does this mean that people unable to Coil above " 8 secs-30 secs " because of

their strong herxes, are not gaining anything on 382 with the lyme? Are their

herxes from stunning the Lyme thus releasing " other " potential toxins into the

bodies such as metals or possibly other unknown bacteria or viruses that they

may have? Newbie-learning, much thanks, Jodie

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Greetings everyone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation

software CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RW

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment

of Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Jodie,

Whether you are reaching Lyme or another pathogen with 382 Hz., if you are

herxing strongly, you are killing something, so it's advisable to keep going

with it.

A strong herx is indicative of a larger bacterial load. I don't agree with the

idea that a certain amount of coiling time is necessary to kill as opposed to

stun, etc. There is much evidence surrounding advancement in treatment,

beginning with just a few seconds and building upon that treatment time bit by

bit, that is contrary to that theory.

The idea is, that as one reduces the bacterial load, it takes longer and longer

to reach the pathogens that remain, as they are fewer and farther between, and

not as densely concentrated (perhaps, biofilms, aside). We don't really know how

the coil affects biofilms, but it would appear to penetrate them.

So, at first you herx strongly, on say, a treatment time of 8 seconds. As you

continue to coil, you will not herx at 8 seconds, at a certain point, and you

will have to increase treatment time to get a response. This would seem to

indicate that you have reduced your bacterial load, so please be reassured that

you are gaining ground in treatment. This must be done as tolerated by the

individual's abiltiy to detox the dieoff. One cannot kill more than the body can

detox, with the aid of detoxing agents, or toxins will accumulate in the body,

making one feel much worse.

- Jane

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: surveysthiswayplease <surveysthiswayplease@>

> > > > > > > Subject: Capacitor switches for 382

> > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > > > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:46 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Greetings everyone

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does anyone know what capacitor switches to activate for frequency

382Hz?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have a second hand coil machine with no frequency calculation

software CD. Does anyone know where I could find it?

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> > > > > > > Many thanks,

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> > > > > > > RW

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