Re: Low-carb diet helps diab. II

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March 28, 1999

I use either stevia (available from health food stores) or sucrolose

(splenda). I swore off all diet things which contain aspartame and now only

drink an ocasional Diet RC which is sweetened with splenda. A really good

book is by Dr. R Bernstein called the diet solution. He is a type I

diabetic who started out as an engineer with a short life span from when he

was originally diagnosed and went back to med school to learn. He developed

a lifestyle which many diabetics find helpful. He is a little more rigid

than Dr. Atkins in his diet as he eliminates most dairy food completely but

the principal is the same. Although I am a type II I found that I learned a

lot from his book. We are luckier than he was as we have so many self

testing tools at our disposal to try and check things out for ourselves. He

had to " build " them for himself when they first started becoming available.

I think you will find his book an interesting place to start.

You may not use much aspartame but it is something which a number of

diabetics seem to have trouble with. I realize this is heresy to state this

but I feel that my figures on my glucometer tell my tale at least.

I have lost weight from 265 down to 190 over the past two years and have

started exercising on a regular basis (I have a treadmil at home) and wish

the pool would change to clorine as their chemicals so I could go back to

water aerobics (this or water walking is a really excellent exercise). I am

alergic to the current type of water treatment. My Dr says a lot of people

are.

I am not saying that this is your answer but I do feel that you need to

research and learn more about this disease and the medications. I am really

glad you joined us and hope that you find help here to support whatever type

of lifestyle changes works for you.

Ann S

Re: Low-carb diet helps diab. II

> >

> >> From: OtterCritter@...

> >>

> >> Tehanne Denham writes:

> >>

> >> << ... glibenclamide is a sulfonylurea. >>

> >>

> >> <growling> I really hate sulfonylureas. I wish all doctors would quit

> >> prescribing them. That is why they have you eating so many

carbohydrates.

> >It

> >> gets weird, Tehanne ... but you are taking a pill that can cause severe

> >> hypos, just like using insulin. So they have you eating carbohydrates

to

> >> make sure you don't go hypo. You end up " feeding the hypos " and often

> >weight

> >> gain is a result. And if you stay on the sulfonylurea, odds are 50-50

that

> >> you will be on insulin within five years.

> >>

> >> It becomes a sort of balancing act ... " Here ... take some of these

> >> sulfonylureas ... okay now, eat some of these carbs to counteract them

....

> >> okay now, take more sulfonylureas to counteract those carbohydrates ...

"

> >It

> >> is possible for many diabetics, especially if they catch it early

enough

> >> that they still have pancreas function, to break that cycle. But if you

> >make

> >> any drastic changes to your diet, I want to warn you, Tehanne, that you

> >have

> >> to be prepared for the free-fall of your blood glucose levels. Your

> >glucose

> >> readings are basically a response to the carbohydrates you have been

told

> >to

> >> eat. So if you do decide to lower your carbohydrate intake, you have to

> >> lower your sulfonylurea intake at the same time or you will, as another

> >> poster said just today, " nosedive. " Some type 2's change diet without

> >> adjusting meds and hypo right away and decide that low-carbing just

isn't

> >> for them - or their doctors tell them not to reduce their pills (not

> >> understanding how dramatic the improvement is). Each one of us must

decide

> >> for ourselves what we will and can do.

> >>

> >> One of our members has decided that vegetarianism is the most important

> >> facet of her diet. She carefully considered matters, and that is her

> >> decision, and we all respect that. Other members have decided that they

> >> adore carbohydrates like pasta and rice and bread and potatoes so much

> >that

> >> they would literally risk death rather than give them up. We all pick

our

> >> own path. But I hope that all type 2's in the group will at least give

> >> dietary changes one or two weeks of effort. The improvement in your

health

> >> can seem miraculous.

> >>

> >> Sudir

> >>

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March 28, 1999

Ann

I am interested in finding out all the information i can..so go right ahead!!

Tehanne

At 05:59 PM 3/28/99 -0600, you wrote:

>

>I might comment that should you try this form of diet change you must be

>self testing to keep up with what is going on with your bg's and to try to

>prevent hypos. That is how I discovered not only is low carbing it my way

>to a more normal life but that I was also alergic to aspartame. Any

>aspartame sends my bg's over the top. So I had to find an alternate type of

>sweeening as well. If you are interested in this I will be happy to discuss

>it with you.

>

>Ann S

>

> Re: Low-carb diet helps diab. II

>

>> From: OtterCritter@...

>>

>> Tehanne Denham writes:

>>

>> << ... glibenclamide is a sulfonylurea. >>

>>

>> <growling> I really hate sulfonylureas. I wish all doctors would quit

>> prescribing them. That is why they have you eating so many carbohydrates.

>It

>> gets weird, Tehanne ... but you are taking a pill that can cause severe

>> hypos, just like using insulin. So they have you eating carbohydrates to

>> make sure you don't go hypo. You end up " feeding the hypos " and often

>weight

>> gain is a result. And if you stay on the sulfonylurea, odds are 50-50 that

>> you will be on insulin within five years.

>>

>> It becomes a sort of balancing act ... " Here ... take some of these

>> sulfonylureas ... okay now, eat some of these carbs to counteract them ...

>> okay now, take more sulfonylureas to counteract those carbohydrates ... "

>It

>> is possible for many diabetics, especially if they catch it early enough

>> that they still have pancreas function, to break that cycle. But if you

>make

>> any drastic changes to your diet, I want to warn you, Tehanne, that you

>have

>> to be prepared for the free-fall of your blood glucose levels. Your

>glucose

>> readings are basically a response to the carbohydrates you have been told

>to

>> eat. So if you do decide to lower your carbohydrate intake, you have to

>> lower your sulfonylurea intake at the same time or you will, as another

>> poster said just today, " nosedive. " Some type 2's change diet without

>> adjusting meds and hypo right away and decide that low-carbing just isn't

>> for them - or their doctors tell them not to reduce their pills (not

>> understanding how dramatic the improvement is). Each one of us must decide

>> for ourselves what we will and can do.

>>

>> One of our members has decided that vegetarianism is the most important

>> facet of her diet. She carefully considered matters, and that is her

>> decision, and we all respect that. Other members have decided that they

>> adore carbohydrates like pasta and rice and bread and potatoes so much

>that

>> they would literally risk death rather than give them up. We all pick our

>> own path. But I hope that all type 2's in the group will at least give

>> dietary changes one or two weeks of effort. The improvement in your health

>> can seem miraculous.

>>

>> Sudir

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March 28, 1999

Ann

I agree! I was told by the hospital to take my metformin before my meal (or

with my meal) While the doctors said to take it after a meal as many people

feel nauseas when taking it before. I feel nauseas if I take it after my

meal....so you do what feels right.

Tehanne

At 06:13 PM 3/28/99 -0600, you wrote:

>

>You know I am really grateful, after reading the things I have on these

>lists, that I am alergic to sulpha. This kept them from starting me on the

>sulpha derivatives. I have read many of the things like Susie has and the

>though of what could have happened to me on these drugs was scarry. The way

>they work really doesn't make common sense as to how to treat type II. I

>think that susie explained how this worked for you in her last post. I

>really agree with her you have to try to learn for yourself and then make

>decisions. Doctors do not have all the answers. For example my original

>doctor told me to take metformin morning when I wake up and before I go to

>bed it cause me a lot of stomach upset. I just recently went to a web site

>that susie posted and find that the recommended method of taking metformin

>is with meals starting with breakfast and dinner and the increases include

>adding lunch. I also find that what he told me was the maximum dosage is

>not what is actually stated by the med fact published for this drug. I

>think that with this thing hanging over our heads 24/7 we must learn for

>ourselves.

>

>Ann S

> Re: Low-carb diet helps diab. II

>> >

>> >>

>> >> I am a type II on tablets, Metformin (2 three x day) and Glibenclamide

>(1

>> >> twice daily). I guess everyone is different! I was admitted to

>hospital

>> >> with a bG of 45.5mmol (819), and at the time, extremely dehydrated.

>Upon

>> >> admittance i was immediately put on a saline and potassium drip. I was

>> >put

>> >> on a high carb diet to bring my bG down.

>> >>

>> >> Tehanne

>> >

>> > Tehanne,

>> >

>> >You didn't say if this brought your BG's down in line. After all high

>carbs

>> >is just more and more sugar for your system to handle. I don't care it

>it

>> >is complex or simple, a carb is a carb is sugar sooner or later. Common

>> >sense told me from the beginning that all this rice, pasta, bread and

>fruit

>> >was contrary to what I knew about fueling the body properly.

>> >

>> >I along with ottercritter truly believe that a high carbohydrate diet is

>a

>> >real downer for most type II's. I was originally diagnosed three years

>ago

>> >with BG's over 390. The doctor put me on 1000 mg metformin split morning

>> >and night, I have tested since them on a regular basis. I originally

>tried

>> >to follow the ADA diet put forth by the dietician I was sent to. After

>two

>> >years this past December my doctor was so displeased with my tests he

>> >increased my metformin to what he said was max (2000 mg) and still my

>bg's

>> >were out of control. I joined these lists just after Christmas and

>became

>> >interested in Susi (ottercritter) and others claims about low carb being

>the

>> >way to go. I was diagnosed low blood sugar about 20 years ago and put on

>> >atkins diet after having day sleep attacks. I stayed on it for several

>> >years and controlled my weight and felt really good. When I got married

>he

>> >was a meat and potatoes and no weight gain person and I started gaining

>> >weight. Three kids and 150 lbs later I am where I am now.

>> >

>> >With what I had read on the lists from the low carb people I talked to my

>> >doctor about it and he said try it and we will watch what happens. Lo

>and

>> >behold, my bg's came in line and my weight started down. I am now on

>1500

>> >mg metformin and run a usual bg of about 115. The only drawback I see is

>> >that when I fall off the diet my bg's go way up immediately and it takes

>me

>> >two days to bring them back in line.

>> >

>> >I realize that this is in contrary to what ADA says but what works for me

>> >and so many others can't be all wrong.

>> >

>> >Ann S

>> >

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Ann

Thank you for the information. i will have a look today for Dr Bernstein's

book.

Tehanne

At 06:23 PM 3/28/99 -0600, you wrote:

>

>I use either stevia (available from health food stores) or sucrolose

>(splenda). I swore off all diet things which contain aspartame and now only

>drink an ocasional Diet RC which is sweetened with splenda. A really good

>book is by Dr. R Bernstein called the diet solution. He is a type I

>diabetic who started out as an engineer with a short life span from when he

>was originally diagnosed and went back to med school to learn. He developed

>a lifestyle which many diabetics find helpful. He is a little more rigid

>than Dr. Atkins in his diet as he eliminates most dairy food completely but

>the principal is the same. Although I am a type II I found that I learned a

>lot from his book. We are luckier than he was as we have so many self

>testing tools at our disposal to try and check things out for ourselves. He

>had to " build " them for himself when they first started becoming available.

>I think you will find his book an interesting place to start.

>

>You may not use much aspartame but it is something which a number of

>diabetics seem to have trouble with. I realize this is heresy to state this

>but I feel that my figures on my glucometer tell my tale at least.

>

>I have lost weight from 265 down to 190 over the past two years and have

>started exercising on a regular basis (I have a treadmil at home) and wish

>the pool would change to clorine as their chemicals so I could go back to

>water aerobics (this or water walking is a really excellent exercise). I am

>alergic to the current type of water treatment. My Dr says a lot of people

>are.

>

>I am not saying that this is your answer but I do feel that you need to

>research and learn more about this disease and the medications. I am really

>glad you joined us and hope that you find help here to support whatever type

>of lifestyle changes works for you.

>

>Ann S

> Re: Low-carb diet helps diab. II

>> >

>> >> From: OtterCritter@...

>> >>

>> >> Tehanne Denham writes:

>> >>

>> >> << ... glibenclamide is a sulfonylurea. >>

>> >>

>> >> <growling> I really hate sulfonylureas. I wish all doctors would quit

>> >> prescribing them. That is why they have you eating so many

>carbohydrates.

>> >It

>> >> gets weird, Tehanne ... but you are taking a pill that can cause severe

>> >> hypos, just like using insulin. So they have you eating carbohydrates

>to

>> >> make sure you don't go hypo. You end up " feeding the hypos " and often

>> >weight

>> >> gain is a result. And if you stay on the sulfonylurea, odds are 50-50

>that

>> >> you will be on insulin within five years.

>> >>

>> >> It becomes a sort of balancing act ... " Here ... take some of these

>> >> sulfonylureas ... okay now, eat some of these carbs to counteract them

>...

>> >> okay now, take more sulfonylureas to counteract those carbohydrates ...

> "

>> >It

>> >> is possible for many diabetics, especially if they catch it early

>enough

>> >> that they still have pancreas function, to break that cycle. But if you

>> >make

>> >> any drastic changes to your diet, I want to warn you, Tehanne, that you

>> >have

>> >> to be prepared for the free-fall of your blood glucose levels. Your

>> >glucose

>> >> readings are basically a response to the carbohydrates you have been

>told

>> >to

>> >> eat. So if you do decide to lower your carbohydrate intake, you have to

>> >> lower your sulfonylurea intake at the same time or you will, as another

>> >> poster said just today, " nosedive. " Some type 2's change diet without

>> >> adjusting meds and hypo right away and decide that low-carbing just

>isn't

>> >> for them - or their doctors tell them not to reduce their pills (not

>> >> understanding how dramatic the improvement is). Each one of us must

>decide

>> >> for ourselves what we will and can do.

>> >>

>> >> One of our members has decided that vegetarianism is the most important

>> >> facet of her diet. She carefully considered matters, and that is her

>> >> decision, and we all respect that. Other members have decided that they

>> >> adore carbohydrates like pasta and rice and bread and potatoes so much

>> >that

>> >> they would literally risk death rather than give them up. We all pick

>our

>> >> own path. But I hope that all type 2's in the group will at least give

>> >> dietary changes one or two weeks of effort. The improvement in your

>health

>> >> can seem miraculous.

>> >>

>> >> Sudir

>> >>

>>

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March 28, 1999

Tehanne Denham writes:

<< Thank you for the information. i will have a look today for Dr

Bernstein's book. >>

I too feel that " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution " is a great reference for

both type 1's and type 2'. Even though I'm not stoic enough to reduce my

carbohydrate intake to the level he recommends, I still feel he offers the

most exquisitely insightful commentary on all the aspects of diabetes of any

author. I also like several other books, especially " Protein Power' by the

Drs. Eades. Other books which describe lower-carbohydrate eating (nearly all

available in paperback, from local booksellers or online) are " Entering the

Zone " and " Mastering the Zone' by Dr. Barry Sears, " Dr. Atkins' New Diet

Revolution " by Dr. Atkins, " The Carbohydrate Addicts' Diet " by the

Hellers, " NeanderThin " by Ray Audette, and " Sugar Busters " by 3 New Orleans

physicians and another author. Each book recommends a slightly different

approach, but the basic concept is similar. A few of these authors have

released even newer volumes I have not yet seen. Dr. Sears and the Sugar

Busters doctors are more lenient about carbohydrate intake; Dr. Atkins' diet

is the most strict (other than Dr. Bernstein) re carb intake of the

non-diabetic books.

The typical American eats 300 grams of carbohydrates a day. I try to keep my

intake beneath 100 grams. The various authors recommend a program ranging

from 30 grams to over 100 grams a day. Whatever program we adopt, it must be

something we can live with every day, because this is not a " diet " but a way

of life, for the rest of our lives. Because if we don't stick with it, our

diabetes will return.

For nearly every diabetes complication reported, the answer comes back:

" Normalize your blood glucose levels. " That is Job Number One.

Susie

March 28, 1999

>I keep trying to remember that " YMMV, "

I am about to parade my ignorance world wide; what is 'YMMV " ?

March 29, 1999

tehanne,

hello how are you. i am insulin dependant am at the opposite

end of the scale. i lost 25 kgs in an attempt to control.

noticed your entry on the aussie list that i have created.

regards andrew

March 29, 1999

tehanne,

sometimes i wonder about the high carb diet. I had similiar situation

and followed high carb initially but have found that with weight loss i am

better off with low carb.

in discussion with other suffers i have found that if u have high readings

it is better to have lower carbs as they seem to reduce the bgs levels.

however carb intake is still needed. i try to have rice crackers with salsa

as a snack at morning and afternoon tea.

regards andrew

March 29, 1999

Your Milage May Very. In other words each case of DM is different.

Re: Low-carb diet helps diab. II

>

>>I keep trying to remember that " YMMV, "

>

>I am about to parade my ignorance world wide; what is 'YMMV " ?

>

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>

March 29, 1999

Ann S.

I am learning that is true for me also. I have been watching the carbs.

and my bg is starting to come down. I still have times when it bottoms out

and I don't know why. Neither does my dr. Oh well I guess I have to get

use to it. Being a Type 2 it seems I will learn new things everyday that

will help.

Stormy

Re: Low-carb diet helps diab. II

>

> Re: Low-carb diet helps diab. II

>

>>

>> I am a type II on tablets, Metformin (2 three x day) and Glibenclamide (1

>> twice daily). I guess everyone is different! I was admitted to hospital

>> with a bG of 45.5mmol (819), and at the time, extremely dehydrated. Upon

>> admittance i was immediately put on a saline and potassium drip. I was

>put

>> on a high carb diet to bring my bG down.

>>

>> Tehanne

>

> Tehanne,

>

>You didn't say if this brought your BG's down in line. After all high

carbs

>is just more and more sugar for your system to handle. I don't care it it

>is complex or simple, a carb is a carb is sugar sooner or later. Common

>sense told me from the beginning that all this rice, pasta, bread and fruit

>was contrary to what I knew about fueling the body properly.

>

>I along with ottercritter truly believe that a high carbohydrate diet is a

>real downer for most type II's. I was originally diagnosed three years ago

>with BG's over 390. The doctor put me on 1000 mg metformin split morning

>and night, I have tested since them on a regular basis. I originally tried

>to follow the ADA diet put forth by the dietician I was sent to. After two

>years this past December my doctor was so displeased with my tests he

>increased my metformin to what he said was max (2000 mg) and still my bg's

>were out of control. I joined these lists just after Christmas and became

>interested in Susi (ottercritter) and others claims about low carb being

the

>way to go. I was diagnosed low blood sugar about 20 years ago and put on

>atkins diet after having day sleep attacks. I stayed on it for several

>years and controlled my weight and felt really good. When I got married he

>was a meat and potatoes and no weight gain person and I started gaining

>weight. Three kids and 150 lbs later I am where I am now.

>

>With what I had read on the lists from the low carb people I talked to my

>doctor about it and he said try it and we will watch what happens. Lo and

>behold, my bg's came in line and my weight started down. I am now on 1500

>mg metformin and run a usual bg of about 115. The only drawback I see is

>that when I fall off the diet my bg's go way up immediately and it takes me

>two days to bring them back in line.

>

>I realize that this is in contrary to what ADA says but what works for me

>and so many others can't be all wrong.

>

>Ann S

>

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March 29, 1999

Stormy, what meds does he have you on? I am really glad now that I have

learned a lot about this dratted disease that I was alergic to sulpha so had

to go straight to metformin.

The sulpha derivatives can cause hypos and I am not really confortable with

their use in type II given their mechanics in the body.

I never have hypos on metformin.

Ann S

Re: Low-carb diet helps diab. II

> >

> >>

> >> I am a type II on tablets, Metformin (2 three x day) and Glibenclamide

(1

> >> twice daily). I guess everyone is different! I was admitted to

hospital

> >> with a bG of 45.5mmol (819), and at the time, extremely dehydrated.

Upon

> >> admittance i was immediately put on a saline and potassium drip. I was

> >put

> >> on a high carb diet to bring my bG down.

> >>

> >> Tehanne

> >

> > Tehanne,

> >

> >You didn't say if this brought your BG's down in line. After all high

> carbs

> >is just more and more sugar for your system to handle. I don't care it

it

> >is complex or simple, a carb is a carb is sugar sooner or later. Common

> >sense told me from the beginning that all this rice, pasta, bread and

fruit

> >was contrary to what I knew about fueling the body properly.

> >

> >I along with ottercritter truly believe that a high carbohydrate diet is

a

> >real downer for most type II's. I was originally diagnosed three years

ago

> >with BG's over 390. The doctor put me on 1000 mg metformin split morning

> >and night, I have tested since them on a regular basis. I originally

tried

> >to follow the ADA diet put forth by the dietician I was sent to. After

two

> >years this past December my doctor was so displeased with my tests he

> >increased my metformin to what he said was max (2000 mg) and still my

bg's

> >were out of control. I joined these lists just after Christmas and

became

> >interested in Susi (ottercritter) and others claims about low carb being

> the

> >way to go. I was diagnosed low blood sugar about 20 years ago and put on

> >atkins diet after having day sleep attacks. I stayed on it for several

> >years and controlled my weight and felt really good. When I got married

he

> >was a meat and potatoes and no weight gain person and I started gaining

> >weight. Three kids and 150 lbs later I am where I am now.

> >

> >With what I had read on the lists from the low carb people I talked to my

> >doctor about it and he said try it and we will watch what happens. Lo

and

> >behold, my bg's came in line and my weight started down. I am now on

1500

> >mg metformin and run a usual bg of about 115. The only drawback I see is

> >that when I fall off the diet my bg's go way up immediately and it takes

me

> >two days to bring them back in line.

> >

> >I realize that this is in contrary to what ADA says but what works for me

> >and so many others can't be all wrong.

> >

> >Ann S

> >

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March 29, 1999

In a message dated 99-03-28 18:29:39 EST, you write:

<< Type 1's seem to be able to get away with eating

more of them, because the insulin they inject actually WORKS. >>

The more I read the surer I am -- I'm apparently a VERY late type 1 (I'm 61).

Since starting insulin a month ago (matching insulin to carbs) my control has

been MUCH better -- and I can actually eat some carbs that I thought I'd said

goodby to forever!

:-)

Vicki

March 29, 1999

Ann, please be aware that " sulfa drugs " that you're allergic to are NOT the

same as sulfonureas! tho like others here, I believe you shouldn't use

sulfonureas except as last resort -- they destroy whatever beta cells you may

have left and then it's insulin time. Which isn't (I'm finding out) the worst

thing -- but what if they discover a way to clone beta cells down the road?

And you didn't have any left to clone? Vicki

March 29, 1999

I am on Rezulin 400mg 2x a day Amaryl 4mg in the mornings.

Stormy

Re: Low-carb diet helps diab. II

>

>Stormy, what meds does he have you on? I am really glad now that I have

>learned a lot about this dratted disease that I was alergic to sulpha so

had

>to go straight to metformin.

>

>The sulpha derivatives can cause hypos and I am not really confortable with

>their use in type II given their mechanics in the body.

>I never have hypos on metformin.

>

>Ann S

> Re: Low-carb diet helps diab. II

>> >

>> >>

>> >> I am a type II on tablets, Metformin (2 three x day) and Glibenclamide

>(1

>> >> twice daily). I guess everyone is different! I was admitted to

>hospital

>> >> with a bG of 45.5mmol (819), and at the time, extremely dehydrated.

>Upon

>> >> admittance i was immediately put on a saline and potassium drip. I

was

>> >put

>> >> on a high carb diet to bring my bG down.

>> >>

>> >> Tehanne

>> >

>> > Tehanne,

>> >

>> >You didn't say if this brought your BG's down in line. After all high

>> carbs

>> >is just more and more sugar for your system to handle. I don't care it

>it

>> >is complex or simple, a carb is a carb is sugar sooner or later.

Common

>> >sense told me from the beginning that all this rice, pasta, bread and

>fruit

>> >was contrary to what I knew about fueling the body properly.

>> >

>> >I along with ottercritter truly believe that a high carbohydrate diet is

>a

>> >real downer for most type II's. I was originally diagnosed three years

>ago

>> >with BG's over 390. The doctor put me on 1000 mg metformin split

morning

>> >and night, I have tested since them on a regular basis. I originally

>tried

>> >to follow the ADA diet put forth by the dietician I was sent to. After

>two

>> >years this past December my doctor was so displeased with my tests he

>> >increased my metformin to what he said was max (2000 mg) and still my

>bg's

>> >were out of control. I joined these lists just after Christmas and

>became

>> >interested in Susi (ottercritter) and others claims about low carb being

>> the

>> >way to go. I was diagnosed low blood sugar about 20 years ago and put

on

>> >atkins diet after having day sleep attacks. I stayed on it for several

>> >years and controlled my weight and felt really good. When I got married

>he

>> >was a meat and potatoes and no weight gain person and I started gaining

>> >weight. Three kids and 150 lbs later I am where I am now.

>> >

>> >With what I had read on the lists from the low carb people I talked to

my

>> >doctor about it and he said try it and we will watch what happens. Lo

>and

>> >behold, my bg's came in line and my weight started down. I am now on

>1500

>> >mg metformin and run a usual bg of about 115. The only drawback I see

is

>> >that when I fall off the diet my bg's go way up immediately and it takes

>me

>> >two days to bring them back in line.

>> >

>> >I realize that this is in contrary to what ADA says but what works for

me

>> >and so many others can't be all wrong.

>> >

>> >Ann S

>> >

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March 29, 1999

Hello! Yes..I am on many lists..I want to know as much as possible.!

Tehanne

At 09:14 PM 3/29/99 +1000, you wrote:

>

>tehanne,

>hello how are you. i am insulin dependant am at the opposite

>end of the scale. i lost 25 kgs in an attempt to control.

>noticed your entry on the aussie list that i have created.

>regards andrew

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March 29, 1999

Be sure and keep up with your testing for liver functions on rezulin.

Ann S

Re: Low-carb diet helps diab. II

> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >> I am a type II on tablets, Metformin (2 three x day) and

Glibenclamide

> >(1

> >> >> twice daily). I guess everyone is different! I was admitted to

> >hospital

> >> >> with a bG of 45.5mmol (819), and at the time, extremely dehydrated.

> >Upon

> >> >> admittance i was immediately put on a saline and potassium drip. I

> was

> >> >put

> >> >> on a high carb diet to bring my bG down.

> >> >>

> >> >> Tehanne

> >> >

> >> > Tehanne,

> >> >

> >> >You didn't say if this brought your BG's down in line. After all high

> >> carbs

> >> >is just more and more sugar for your system to handle. I don't care

it

> >it

> >> >is complex or simple, a carb is a carb is sugar sooner or later.

> Common

> >> >sense told me from the beginning that all this rice, pasta, bread and

> >fruit

> >> >was contrary to what I knew about fueling the body properly.

> >> >

> >> >I along with ottercritter truly believe that a high carbohydrate diet

is

> >a

> >> >real downer for most type II's. I was originally diagnosed three

years

> >ago

> >> >with BG's over 390. The doctor put me on 1000 mg metformin split

> morning

> >> >and night, I have tested since them on a regular basis. I originally

> >tried

> >> >to follow the ADA diet put forth by the dietician I was sent to.

After

> >two

> >> >years this past December my doctor was so displeased with my tests he

> >> >increased my metformin to what he said was max (2000 mg) and still my

> >bg's

> >> >were out of control. I joined these lists just after Christmas and

> >became

> >> >interested in Susi (ottercritter) and others claims about low carb

being

> >> the

> >> >way to go. I was diagnosed low blood sugar about 20 years ago and put

> on

> >> >atkins diet after having day sleep attacks. I stayed on it for

several

> >> >years and controlled my weight and felt really good. When I got

married

> >he

> >> >was a meat and potatoes and no weight gain person and I started

gaining

> >> >weight. Three kids and 150 lbs later I am where I am now.

> >> >

> >> >With what I had read on the lists from the low carb people I talked to

> my

> >> >doctor about it and he said try it and we will watch what happens. Lo

> >and

> >> >behold, my bg's came in line and my weight started down. I am now on

> >1500

> >> >mg metformin and run a usual bg of about 115. The only drawback I see

> is

> >> >that when I fall off the diet my bg's go way up immediately and it

takes

> >me

> >> >two days to bring them back in line.

> >> >

> >> >I realize that this is in contrary to what ADA says but what works for

> me

> >> >and so many others can't be all wrong.

> >> >

> >> >Ann S

> >> >

> >>

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True but if you will read the PDR on them it will recommend that people

alergic to sulpha NOT take them.

Ann S

Re: Low-carb diet helps diab. II

> From: WHIMSY2@...

>

> Ann, please be aware that " sulfa drugs " that you're allergic to are NOT

the

> same as sulfonureas! tho like others here, I believe you shouldn't use

> sulfonureas except as last resort -- they destroy whatever beta cells you

may

> have left and then it's insulin time. Which isn't (I'm finding out) the

worst

> thing -- but what if they discover a way to clone beta cells down the

road?

> And you didn't have any left to clone? Vicki

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