Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 Gill, I will put my oar in the water on this one. WARNING--Disclaimer to follow! This works for me. It may not work for you. I am not professionally qualified to have a medical opinion. Follow the advice of your MD...Never stick beans up your nose....That said..... I am in the US, so I will try to remember to convert the numbers from US to Intl. form here. I am a Type-2 diabetic, who was diagnosed with a fasting BG of 248 mg% or approx. 13.8 mmol. My HbA1C was 8.8. I am taking metformin 850mg bid. I followed the " official " diet prescribed by the American Diabetes Association, the American Dietetic Association, the American Heart Association and others. This is the mainstream current-thought on a proper diet, and the recommendation of my internist. I also had the sense to go and buy a blood glucose meter, against my doc's advice. I carefully measured and recorded my BG six times per day for three weeks, before meals and 2hr. PP, all the while eating the official 60% carbohydrate, 25% protein, and 15% fats, with not more than 5% saturated fats. My blood glucose levels varied more than 150 mg% per day, from 110 to 270 (6.1-15mmol). Looking at my careful records, it became obvious that the largest excursions were due to carb consumption. A bowl of corn flakes and skim milk for breakfast, or a small piece of beef, with a salad, veggie, and baked potato would give me the 150/8.3+ rise. All proper foods under the official diet, but a slow death for me. My average BG was running 180/10.0. I then started doing lots of web-searches and bought a bunch of books on DM. The information I gathered lead me to try a low carbohydrate diet. Good sources are " Diabetes Solution " by Bernstein, and the " Type 2 Diabetes Diet Book " by Calvin Ezrin. Links to more information on these books are as follows: Bernstein: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316093440/o/qid=923011565/sr=2-1/002-159\ 5244-5819049 Ezrin: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565658078/ref=sim_books/002-1595244-5819\ 049 I decided that things couldn't get much worse for me, and that unless I made some changes I was headed for the needle, so I gave it a try. In six weeks of eating about 30gm. CHO/day, my next blood tests indicated: Fasting BG from 248 to 110 HbA1c from 8.8 to 6.3 (<6.5 is " normal " ) Total Cholesterol from 265 to 197 HDL from 24 to 34 LDL from 260 to 170 Triglycerides from 310 to 170 BP from 150/100 to 135/85 Weight from 298 to 277 My own daily BG measurements are in the 105-130 range, with the usual Delta about 20. Kidney functions (BUN/creatinine/microalbumin) are all normal now, as are serum cholesterol numbers, in spite of my high PRO, high FAT diet. I would never go back. I may even titrate my meds down, with my doc's permission. I can't tell you that this will work similarly for you. I only suggest that you question the " common knowledge " you have been told about our disease. Buy some books, surf the web, and make up your own mind. I don't even know if you are a T-1 or T-2, or one of the many variations thereof which I suspect no one has figured out yet. There are many of us who do low-carb. I'm sure others will respond also. Expect to have members of the medical establishment decry this approach. My endo did. I just told him that if he paid very close attention, I would give him three CMEs for his trouble. Good luck, and feel free to e-mail me with questions. Jim Hartmann Gill Minter wrote: > > > Hello fellow listers, > > I wrote a mail asking about a post I read here, where the writer claimed she > does not eat potatoes, rice or pasta and is on a low carb diet with good > control. > > I asked about this, as these food are the main stay of my diet! Ive been > told to eat high carbs! Am I doing it wrong please? If anyone replied to > that mail, apologies but I had to delete 123 mails off my server tonight, so > please forward the mail to me. > > Thank you so much > Gill > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > http://www.onelist.com > Sign up for a new email list today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 This is a matter of YMMV....your mileage may vary. Those foods have always had an adverse effect on my bgs! They have never bothered my brother! He, also, is T2. If you are on high carbs, I would strive for a lot of them to be high in fiber. Those are the best kind, IMHO. Toni Gill Minter wrote: > > > Hello fellow listers, > > I wrote a mail asking about a post I read here, where the writer claimed she > does not eat potatoes, rice or pasta and is on a low carb diet with good > control. > > I asked about this, as these food are the main stay of my diet! Ive been > told to eat high carbs! Am I doing it wrong please? If anyone replied to > that mail, apologies but I had to delete 123 mails off my server tonight, so > please forward the mail to me. > > Thank you so much > Gill > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > http://www.onelist.com > Sign up for a new email list today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 Jim, I did much the same as you with the same results. I have not had a BG over 100 in months. And I did quit my medication. When I brought it to my doctor I was prepared to fire him. But, he bought into it and even explained why it was working. I was dx'ed with a HbA1c of 12 and some damage to my feet. My feet have imporved and I have hope of even more recovery there. To my knowledge, I have no other damage. I feel strongly that if I maintain the diet (6-12-12) I will suffer no further damage. Great post, Jim. Winston Re: Please help > > >Gill, >I will put my oar in the water on this one. WARNING--Disclaimer to follow! >This works for me. It may not work for you. I am not professionally qualified to >have a medical opinion. Follow the advice of your MD...Never stick beans up your >nose....That said..... > >I am in the US, so I will try to remember to convert the numbers from US to >Intl. form here. I am a Type-2 diabetic, who was diagnosed with a fasting BG of >248 mg% or approx. 13.8 mmol. My HbA1C was 8.8. I am taking metformin 850mg bid. > >I followed the " official " diet prescribed by the American Diabetes Association, >the American Dietetic Association, the American Heart Association and others. >This is the mainstream current-thought on a proper diet, and the recommendation >of my internist. > >I also had the sense to go and buy a blood glucose meter, against my doc's >advice. I carefully measured and recorded my BG six times per day for three >weeks, before meals and 2hr. PP, all the while eating the official 60% >carbohydrate, 25% protein, and 15% fats, with not more than 5% saturated fats. >My blood glucose levels varied more than 150 mg% per day, from 110 to 270 >(6.1-15mmol). > >Looking at my careful records, it became obvious that the largest excursions >were due to carb consumption. A bowl of corn flakes and skim milk for >breakfast, or a small piece of beef, with a salad, veggie, and baked potato >would give me the 150/8.3+ rise. All proper foods under the official diet, but a >slow death for me. My average BG was running 180/10.0. > >I then started doing lots of web-searches and bought a bunch of books on DM. The >information I gathered lead me to try a low carbohydrate diet. Good sources are > " Diabetes Solution " by Bernstein, and the " Type 2 Diabetes Diet Book " by >Calvin Ezrin. Links to more information on these books are as follows: >Bernstein: >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316093440/o/qid=923011565/sr=2-1/00 2-1595244-5819049 > >Ezrin: >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565658078/ref=sim_books/002-1595244 -5819049 > >I decided that things couldn't get much worse for me, and that unless I made >some changes I was headed for the needle, so I gave it a try. In six weeks of >eating about 30gm. CHO/day, my next blood tests indicated: > >Fasting BG from 248 to 110 >HbA1c from 8.8 to 6.3 (<6.5 is " normal " ) >Total Cholesterol from 265 to 197 >HDL from 24 to 34 >LDL from 260 to 170 >Triglycerides from 310 to 170 >BP from 150/100 to 135/85 >Weight from 298 to 277 > >My own daily BG measurements are in the 105-130 range, with the usual Delta >about 20. Kidney functions (BUN/creatinine/microalbumin) are all normal now, as >are serum cholesterol numbers, in spite of my high PRO, high FAT diet. I would >never go back. I may even titrate my meds down, with my doc's permission. > >I can't tell you that this will work similarly for you. I only suggest that you >question the " common knowledge " you have been told about our disease. Buy some >books, surf the web, and make up your own mind. I don't even know if you are a >T-1 or T-2, or one of the many variations thereof which I suspect no one has >figured out yet. There are many of us who do low-carb. I'm sure others will >respond also. Expect to have members of the medical establishment decry this >approach. My endo did. I just told him that if he paid very close attention, I >would give him three CMEs for his trouble. > >Good luck, and feel free to e-mail me with questions. > >Jim Hartmann > > >Gill Minter wrote: > >> >> >> Hello fellow listers, >> >> I wrote a mail asking about a post I read here, where the writer claimed she >> does not eat potatoes, rice or pasta and is on a low carb diet with good >> control. >> >> I asked about this, as these food are the main stay of my diet! Ive been >> told to eat high carbs! Am I doing it wrong please? If anyone replied to >> that mail, apologies but I had to delete 123 mails off my server tonight, so >> please forward the mail to me. >> >> Thank you so much >> Gill >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> New hobbies? New curiosities? 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Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 Gill, Carbohydrates, or carbs come in two types: simple carbohydrates and complex carbohydrates. Sugar, in various forms, is a simple carbohydrate. Complex carbohydrates are basically green vegetables. The complex carbohydrates break down much slower in the body, therefore, they keep the blood sugar count low and even. The simple carbohydrates raise the blood sugar count rapidly. Most anything made from flour (starch) such as breads, cakes, gravies, pasta, for example, chemically change to sugars (simple carbohydrates) during the digestion process. You also have to look for simple carbohydrates in things like catsup and fruits. This explanation may not satisfy a dietician or a biologist, but I think it will do for a working bloke. So instead of a dinner of meat, potatoes and vegetables you eat meat and two green vegetables. For breakfast try eggs, bacon or sausage or kippers, or an omelet. For lunch instead of a ham and cheese sandwich, try eating the cheese rolled up in the ham. I am sure others here will also have good advice for you. Suggestion: Eat the way you normally do and measure your blood sugar 1 1/2 to 2 hours after each meal. Then try the meals, or variations of them, as described above and also measure your blood sugar 1 1/2 to 2 hours after each meal - you will see a difference. Be well. Mr. Edd Please help > > >Hello fellow listers, > >I wrote a mail asking about a post I read here, where the writer claimed she >does not eat potatoes, rice or pasta and is on a low carb diet with good >control. > >I asked about this, as these food are the main stay of my diet! Ive been >told to eat high carbs! Am I doing it wrong please? If anyone replied to >that mail, apologies but I had to delete 123 mails off my server tonight, so >please forward the mail to me. > >Thank you so much >Gill > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? >http://www.onelist.com >Sign up for a new email list today > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 Gill, Those foods WERE the mainstay of my diet until 3 months ago... Now I still eat them (in moderation) but am very careful to offset them with green beans or beets... Gill Minter wrote: > > > Hello fellow listers, > > I wrote a mail asking about a post I read here, where the writer claimed she > does not eat potatoes, rice or pasta and is on a low carb diet with good > control. > > I asked about this, as these food are the main stay of my diet! Ive been > told to eat high carbs! Am I doing it wrong please? If anyone replied to > that mail, apologies but I had to delete 123 mails off my server tonight, so > please forward the mail to me. > > Thank you so much > Gill > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > http://www.onelist.com > Sign up for a new email list today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 To ALL: I have a problem. I am nearing the end of the life of my kidneys due to diabetes. I was just starting to get a grip on starting a a low carb diet when the National Kidney Foundation sent me a disk to help me with food selection and diet. I read the following: " ......eat less protein, fewer dairy products, no nuts and eat MORE carbohydrates..... " The paper also talked about sodium, potassium, and phosphorus. ALL of which are important in a diet. Question: What do I do? Follow the diabetes way of doing things (low-carb) or doing it the way to slow kidney failure by using a high carb diet? I don't believe any one in this group has answered that. In fact I don't remember it coming up on amy of my list or boards. Is it possible that I am different since I have kidney failure? Any help is appreciated. AND God's Speed. ***Robin*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 Gill writes: << ... I wrote a mail asking about a post I read here, where the writer claimed she does not eat potatoes, rice or pasta and is on a low carb diet with good control. I asked about this, as these food are the main stay of my diet! Ive beentold to eat high carbs! Am I doing it wrong please? >> Yes Gill. Those foods you are eating are the very things that worsen your diabetes. I am very glad for you that you found this group. You will improve your diabetes so much with dietary changes in the near future that you will be amazed! Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 Granger writes: << Those foods WERE the mainstay of my diet until 3 months ago... Now I still eat them (in moderation) but am very careful to offset them with green beans or beets... >> <THUD> Beets? They are WAY high in carbohydrates, if my memory is still functioning. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 Susie, There are about 26 grams of carbs in the 15 ounce cans I use... that's a little over 3 servings..or about 8 carbs a serving. OtterCritter@... wrote: > From: OtterCritter@... > > Granger writes: > > << Those foods WERE the mainstay of my diet until 3 months ago... Now I > still eat them (in moderation) but am very careful to offset them with green > beans or beets... >> > > <THUD> Beets? They are WAY high in carbohydrates, if my memory is still > functioning. > > Susie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. > http://www.onelist.com > Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 Yes why do you think they make sugar from sugar beets. Ann S Toot HOOOOOOO From that big built to you Susie Re: Please help > From: OtterCritter@... > > Granger writes: > > << Those foods WERE the mainstay of my diet until 3 months ago... Now I > still eat them (in moderation) but am very careful to offset them with green > beans or beets... >> > > <THUD> Beets? They are WAY high in carbohydrates, if my memory is still > functioning. > > Susie > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. > http://www.onelist.com > Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 1999 Report Share Posted April 9, 1999 Hey, Cyndi, glad to hear that I'm not the only one who you can't tell from body what my BGs are....I was beginning to think I was the only one. So how many times a day do you test? Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 1999 Report Share Posted April 9, 1999 In a message dated 99-04-09 21:56:29 EDT, you write: << between 4-8 times a day. I am playing around with the low carb diet now and also going to look at some different insulin after reading what Susie wrote about the NPH and Humalog mix. >> Hi, Cyndi, I poke about 6-8 x a day. Especially now since I've just started using insulin. I use Humalog, lispro immediately before meals. Works just fine when Ie at at home but it's a little tricky when I eat out, guessing the carbs. . ate out tonight and really misjudged ...it's 235 at bedtime. Owell... Basically tho I do lowcarb and it really does work. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 1999 Report Share Posted April 9, 1999 Hi Vicki, between 4-8 times a day. I am playing around with the low carb diet now and also going to look at some different insulin after reading what Susie wrote about the NPH and Humalog mix. I don't think you are ever alone in this disease. There is always someone out there who is experiencing the same things! Glad you are here! Cyndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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