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Shana,

I've been on Klonopin for 22 years and am now up to 8 mg. My anxiety is still

above the FDA daily requirement. Part of why this past week was so hard is I

went from 8mg to 6mg for 6 days and then I said, screw this. I'm taking up

herion. Kurt Cobain lived in Seattle and he was a Celebrety and they are always

right. ;o) Just kidding. But I did go back up to the 8mg. I used Valarian

in my early 20's and it does work, but smells like toe jam. I didn't know that

it was a derivative of valium. So is it non benzo? I will have to find a

pyschiatrist here soon and will talk with them abou it.

Have a great one.

Greg.

slarsen988@... wrote:

Kerrie, I've also suffered from panic attacks (heart pounding, cold

sweat, can't breathe, sweaty palms, terror and thinking I was about to die, etc.

-- really fun, isn't it?)

Anyhow, just wanted to pass along two natural remedies that were really

effective for me. The first was recommended by a dr. I saw about it when I was

in my 20's, when I was having attacks almost daily. She suggested I started

taking Evening Primrose Oil capsules everyday (in addition to eating healthier

and cutting down on caffeine.) I did all these things and the attacks just

stopped completely.

20 years later, I started having them again -- not every day, but sometimes --

and now I keep a supply of Valerian capsules on hand. It's available at any

drugstore or health food store and is the natural source of Valium, but much

milder and non-addictive. Anytime I feel too stressed, or like I'm going to have

an attack, I take a few capsules and it just doesn't happen. The times I do have

a sudden attack, I take a few and it stops.

Anyhow, just wanted to pass these on -- if you're interested, check 'em out!

Shana

Re: Isolation.

To: WTOAdultChildren1

> Greg,

> A big resouding " Oh yeah! "

>

> Not sure many KOs wouldn't have these feelings. Its part of the

> legacy of shame they give us. Part of what I've been trying this

> week

> to remember is a saying I heard once- 'the mind and heart can't

> hold

> two opposing thoughts/emotions. If you don't like the one going

> on,

> change the record. " And so everytime these bad feelings or

> thoughts

> would come up, I'd just say to myself- 'don't want to feel em

> right

> now. Don't want to think about it right now.' and it will help

> for a

> little bit, but then they'd come back and I'd have to crowd them

> out

> again.

>

> I think isolation brings it on, but then I'd be crazy to say

> being in

> relationships don't bring it on too. Its not about others. Its

> about

> self and self esteem and so that internal dialogu has to be

> questioned and put to pasture. It take a lot of work though.

> That's

> what's helping me right now flitter between true panic attacks

> and a

> mild case of anxiety I've battled for the past few weeks. Its

> not as

> bad as it use to be and no where near needing medication like I

> think

> I probably could've used in the past, but its enough to get my

> attention. I really think I want to cut out caffiene again here

> soon

> just b/c it taxes the adrenal glands and I do a good enough job

> of

> that myself (anxiety attacks come from andrenal glands too- a

> lot of

> people are misdiagnosed as depressed when they are coming off an

> anxiety high and feel miserable- nutrition helps even though I'd

> be

> an idiot to say that's the main staple of the mental health diet).

>

> Anyway, that's just what I've been doing.

>

> Kerrie

>

>

> >

> > Hey Everyone,

> >

> > I need some help with dealing with isolation. This, by far,

> is

> my biggest problem and feeds others. And now that I am in a new

> city, Seattle, I am soo mad at myself for still isolating. The

> bizarre thing is that once I get out there, I am pretty OK and

> have

> fun. There is something going on deep, deep down in my

> subconscious

> that is my mother's and father's voice, but especially my

> mother's.

> >

> > When I am out and before I have contact with people, I feel

> so

> inferior to everyone else, feel like nobody would like me, feel

> that

> I am strange = horrible and mean and dirty (all of which is not

> true), and I think the worse fear is that I am like my parents

> (which

> I also know is not true). It's like I have this message that

> permeates my being that says, " Nobody will ever like you, you

> little

> freak. "

> >

> > Have any of you gone through this to one degree or another?

> If

> so, how did you get yourself through it? I am so angry and sick

> and

> tired of this paralyzing fear of being rejected.

> >

> > Greg.

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-

> Phone

> call rates.

> >

> >

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" She suggested I started taking Evening Primrose Oil capsules everyday (in

addition to eating healthier and cutting down on caffeine.) I did all these

things and the attacks just stopped completely.

20 years later, I started having them again -- not every day, but sometimes --

and now I keep a supply of Valerian capsules on hand. It's available at any

drugstore or health food store and is the natural source of Valium, but much

milder and non-addictive. Anytime I feel too stressed, or like I'm going to have

an attack, I take a few capsules and it just doesn't happen. The times I do have

a sudden attack, I take a few and it stops.

Anyhow, just wanted to pass these on -- if you're interested, check 'em out!

Shana "

………………………..What is the difference between Evening Primrose Oil and Valerian?

Does you age determine what you need to take? Or?? This sounds like something

I need to look into. Thank you for the suggestion. mg

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