Re: It's my one year explant anniversary!!

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I meant non-implanted... gees!

>

>

> Hi Everyone,

> Sorry haven't kept in touch too much lately. But, I just wanted to

write in and let you all know that I am feeling so much better now

than I did a year ago. A couple of months ago I decided I was cured

of my thyroid disorder and didn't realize that I was totally

undermedicating myself... so I became a bit sick. But, finally, my

hair has stopped falling out and I feel much better.

> It does take time. But it's well worth the wait. I think I get

better everyday. My goal is to someday be completely back to my

original non-explanted self, but, after an experience like that I

don't think it is possible.

> Hope you all are doing well.

> Hugs....

> Dawn

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Dawn . . . I've missed you! . . . It's wonderful to

hear you are doing so well! . . .

Thyroid issues seem to be the thing we get stuck with!

Compared with the rest of the stuff, that's minor

though!

Hugs,

Rogene

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Rogene,

I've missed you all too. I had been wrestling around with the whole

thyroid problem and was just too overwhelmed by my health and my

life to check in.

The thyroid thing stinks, but I've finally accepted that this is

something I need to manage and CAN manage.

How are you doing? The last time I checked in you were going for

biopsy. Are you okay?

Hugs,

Dawn

>

> Dawn . . . I've missed you! . . . It's wonderful to

> hear you are doing so well! . . .

>

> Thyroid issues seem to be the thing we get stuck with!

> Compared with the rest of the stuff, that's minor

> though!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

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Oh Rogene,

You are so smart to put that together. It is true but so many

people are not aware of how awful drugs can make them feel.

Especially mentally. I react to everything strangely so I am well

aware of the connection. I was one of those people who actually got

seriously and profoundly depressed on some antidepressants. There

are people out there who dont know that is possible and become

suicidal when they get even more depressed on antidepressants and

think there is no hope instead of realizing it is how they are

reacting to the meds. Many many drugs have a huge list of side

effects. I hope you can help your mom with this knowledge.

I am sorry that you can't continue to take this drug, but if anyone

will get better without standard meds, it will be you. I don't

believe in them much anyway.

I just had a dear friend of mine die from chemo. She had surgery

and they successfully removed her cancer. She was just doing chemo

for the same reason you did radiation--to increase her chances of

not having an reoccurance. She was doing great. Then chemo. On

her 3rd chemo treatment she got really sick and went into organ

failure and died. They told her husband that the chemo weakened her

immune system and she got some virus that spread quickly. Don't

know if that is true--only that she had every chance of recovering

until the chemo took her. It was so sad! It is so very hard to

know what to do. In the end, we have to trust God to lead us down

the right paths and then do what we feel compelled to do.

Hugs,kathy

> > >

> > > Dawn . . . I've missed you! . . . It's wonderful

> > to

> > > hear you are doing so well! . . .

> > >

> > > Thyroid issues seem to be the thing we get stuck

> > with!

> > > Compared with the rest of the stuff, that's minor

> > > though!

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Rogene

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Rogene,

I am so happy to hear you are doing great.... was worried about you. Unfortunately, as you know, sometimes the cure is worse than the illness. That was also the case with my Dad taking interferon... he said he'd rather just die than take that stuff. I'm with you, nutrition and detoxing would be the route I would go also. Hugs,

Dawn

Rogene S & lt;saxony01@... & gt; wrote: Hi Dawn,I'm doing great! . . . The mass was malignant - butsmall . . . Say, Stage 1/2 . . . I had a lumpectomyand Mammosite radiation therapy (they fill the cavitywith a small balloon into which a wire withradioactive seeds is inserted. They gave me a highdose of radiation for ten minutes - then turned meloose for six hours. I did this for five days and wasthrough . . . The entire affair, surgery andradiation, was pain free. No pain, no burns, nofatigue, hair loss, etc.. Basically it was just a hugenuisance.However, the post-surgery drug that I'm supposed totake for years is the drug from Hell! . . . I intendedto take it for three months, regardless. However, Igave up this past week. I'd rather die next week thanlive my life on it for twenty years! It was as hard onmy brain as on my body! Today, I feel

like myself again! . . . I'm going todepend on nutrition, supplements and good living tostay cancer free . . . And, if it does reoccur, I'llknow what I missed (the medicated feeling) made itworth taking the chance.I've just put two and two together though . . . Ithink my mother's health problems (that came onsuddenly after she started taking a similarmedication) are more related to the medication than toaging. She went from not needing any medication andliving on her own to needing numerous medications andbeing in a nursing home within a short time ofstarting the medication! I'm going to call her doctortomorrow. Hugs,Rogene--- Dawn A <daldre@...> wrote:> Rogene,> I've missed you all too. I had been wrestling around> with the whole > thyroid problem and was just too overwhelmed by my> health and my > life to check in. >

> The thyroid thing stinks, but I've finally accepted> that this is > something I need to manage and CAN manage.> > How are you doing? The last time I checked in you> were going for > biopsy. Are you okay?> > Hugs,> Dawn> > > >> > Dawn . . . I've missed you! . . . It's wonderful> to> > hear you are doing so well! . . .> > > > Thyroid issues seem to be the thing we get stuck> with!> > Compared with the rest of the stuff, that's minor> > though!> > > > Hugs,> > > > Rogene> >> > > > >

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Hi Dawn, So good to hear from you...thanks for updating us! Can you elaborate on your thyroid meds and what you did (or didn't) do? When you say you became a bit sick, what happened? I've been undermedicating myself for thyroid too....as in not taking any. I am wondering if I need to get back on the meds at this point. I'd be interested in hearing what you went through. I think you can get better also, but I think Rogene has said it best.....we need to walk a fine line and always be vigilant about what we are doing healthwise. It's something we can never take for granted again. PattyDawn A <daldre@...> wrote: Hi Everyone, Sorry haven't kept

in touch too much lately. But, I just wanted to write in and let you all know that I am feeling so much better now than I did a year ago. A couple of months ago I decided I was cured of my thyroid disorder and didn't realize that I was totally undermedicating myself... so I became a bit sick. But, finally, my hair has stopped falling out and I feel much better. It does take time. But it's well worth the wait. I think I get better everyday. My goal is to someday be completely back to my original non-explanted self, but, after an experience like that I don't think it is possible. Hope you all are doing well. Hugs.... Dawn " Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:http://.shutterfly.com/action/

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Hi Patty,

Glad to hear from you too! Well, prior to explant last April I was on a mega dose of armour and cytomel (5grains and 25mcg cytomel). A month and a half after explant I quickly became very hyperthryoid. So, by June/July of last summer I was down to 1grain armour only and no cytomel. I noticed that my hair was falling out alot more but was sure it was from the surgery. I started to gain weight and cognitive function was very bad.... but I thought that maybe it was an adrenal problem because I was terrified of going hyper again and honestly did NOT want to be on huge doses of thyroid meds again. To make a long story short, I finally went to my doctor in December and had a thyroid test done. Well, wouldn't ya know it... my free t3 and free t4 were barely above normal range.... BUT the KICKER was that my TSH was .39 ..... which would indicate HYPERTHYROID! I researched this and found that these results normally occur with pituitary failure aka: central hypothroidism. I immediately doubled my armour to 2grains. Within weeks my hair started growing back. And I felt somewhat better.

Since I still didn't feel completely like myself I had another test done and.... again , my TSH was even lower, but my free t3 and free t4 were still not high enough. So, I then went up to 3 grains and now I feel great again... Everything seems to be working normally again.

The thyroid thing is tricky because most doctors are down right STUPID! I had several doctors tell me I was hyper due to the low TSH when it was completely clear I was hypo due to the low t3 and t4 and also the fact that my blood pressure was 80/47 with a 46 beat per minute heart rate... certainly not hyper!

As you probably know, thyroid meds cannot be dosed according to TSH.... especially if there is a potential pituitary issue going on.

So, here I am, accepting that this is going to be a lifetime battle of some sort.

Have you had any recent tests done?

Hugs..

Dawn

Tricia Trish & lt;glory2glory1401@... & gt; wrote:

Hi Dawn,

So good to hear from you...thanks for updating us!

Can you elaborate on your thyroid meds and what you did (or didn't) do? When you say you became a bit sick, what happened?

I've been undermedicating myself for thyroid too....as in not taking any. I am wondering if I need to get back on the meds at this point.

I'd be interested in hearing what you went through.

I think you can get better also, but I think Rogene has said it best.....we need to walk a fine line and always be vigilant about what we are doing healthwise. It's something we can never take for granted again.

PattyDawn A <daldre@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone, Sorry haven't kept in touch too much lately. But, I just wanted to write in and let you all know that I am feeling so much better now than I did a year ago. A couple of months ago I decided I was cured of my thyroid disorder and didn't realize that I was totally undermedicating myself... so I became a bit sick. But, finally, my hair has stopped falling out and I feel much better. It does take time. But it's well worth the wait. I think I get better everyday. My goal is to someday be completely back to my original non-explanted self, but, after an experience like that I don't think it is possible. Hope you all are doing well. Hugs.... Dawn "

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Hi Dawn, Thanks for sharing what you went through with the thyroid issues. They are very tricky, no doubt about that. I've basically been feeling well enough to ignore my numbers and figured if all is well, don't mess with it! But lately I am struggling with a few issues that I don't like, and since it all seemed to start after I got my root canals, I am wondering if they are the main culprit or if something else is going on. So, back to the drawing board for me. I definitely need some more blood work done. I had some recently when I sent away tests for the Huggins protocol, and found out a few things I didn't like...such as having a cholestrol reading of 267. That's new. And higher cholesterol is typical of thyroid illness. Did you have any problems with cholesterol? I may start up the thyroid

meds again. I have read info that suggests leaving thyroid issues untreated or undertreated can just lead to more serious issues. I don't need that! Thanks again Dawn. You have a great perspective on taking charge of your health. I agree, many doctors can be downright dumb! That's probably why I shy away from them. By the way, do you go in for regular testing? Are you working with a doctor who listens to you and agrees to your dosages? PattyDawn A <daldre@...> wrote: Hi Patty, Glad to hear from you too! Well, prior to explant last April I was on a mega dose of armour and cytomel (5grains and 25mcg cytomel). A month and a half after explant I quickly became very hyperthryoid. So, by June/July of last summer I

was down to 1grain armour only and no cytomel. I noticed that my hair was falling out alot more but was sure it was from the surgery. I started to gain weight and cognitive function was very bad.... but I thought that maybe it was an adrenal problem because I was terrified of going hyper again and honestly did NOT want to be on huge doses of thyroid meds again. To make a long story short, I finally went to my doctor in December and had a thyroid test done. Well, wouldn't ya know it... my free t3 and free t4 were barely above normal range.... BUT the KICKER was that my TSH was .39 ..... which would indicate HYPERTHYROID! I researched this and found that these results normally occur with pituitary failure aka: central hypothroidism. I immediately doubled my armour to 2grains. Within weeks my hair started growing back. And I felt somewhat better. Since I still didn't feel completely like myself I had another test done and.... again , my TSH was even

lower, but my free t3 and free t4 were still not high enough. So, I then went up to 3 grains and now I feel great again... Everything seems to be working normally again. The thyroid thing is tricky because most doctors are down right STUPID! I had several doctors tell me I was hyper due to the low TSH when it was completely clear I was hypo due to the low t3 and t4 and also the fact that my blood pressure was 80/47 with a 46 beat per minute heart rate... certainly not hyper! As you probably know, thyroid meds cannot be dosed according to TSH.... especially if there is a potential pituitary issue going on. So, here I am, accepting that this is going to be a lifetime battle of some sort. Have you had any recent tests done? Hugs.. Dawn Tricia Trish & lt;glory2glory1401@... & gt; wrote: Hi Dawn, So good to hear from you...thanks for updating us! Can you elaborate on your thyroid meds and what you did (or didn't) do? When you say you became a bit sick, what happened? I've been undermedicating myself for thyroid too....as in not taking any. I am wondering if I need to get back on the meds at this point. I'd be interested in hearing what you went through. I think you can get better also, but I think Rogene has said it best.....we need to walk a fine line and always be vigilant about what we are doing healthwise. It's something we can never take for granted again. Patty

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Patty,

My cholesterol level goes right with my thyroid,

if the thyroid is low, the cholesterol is high,

and vice-versa. Funny thing, the blood pressure

seems to do the same. And my hair loss goes with low thyroid also.

I have had a terrible year with regulating my

thyroid, and right now it seems ok again. But it

was up and down and all over the map for a

year. It is under 1 right now, and my

cholesterol is lower than it has been in years.

Lynda

At 10:01 AM 4/25/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Dawn,

>Thanks for sharing what you went through with

>the thyroid issues. They are very tricky, no doubt about that.

>

>I've basically been feeling well enough to

>ignore my numbers and figured if all is well, don't mess with it!

>

>But lately I am struggling with a few issues

>that I don't like, and since it all seemed to

>start after I got my root canals, I am wondering

>if they are the main culprit or if something

>else is going on. So, back to the drawing board for me.

>

>I definitely need some more blood work done. I

>had some recently when I sent away tests for the

>Huggins protocol, and found out a few things I

>didn't like...such as having a cholestrol

>reading of 267. That's new. And higher

>cholesterol is typical of thyroid illness. Did

>you have any problems with cholesterol?

>

>I may start up the thyroid meds again. I have

>read info that suggests leaving thyroid issues

>untreated or undertreated can just lead to more

>serious issues. I don't need that!

>Thanks again Dawn. You have a great perspective

>on taking charge of your health. I agree, many

>doctors can be downright dumb! That's probably why I shy away from them.

>

>By the way, do you go in for regular

>testing? Are you working with a doctor who

>listens to you and agrees to your dosages?

>Patty

>

>Dawn A <daldre@...> wrote:

>Hi Patty,

>Glad to hear from you too!

>Well, prior to explant last April I was on a

>mega dose of armour and cytomel (5grains and

>25mcg cytomel). A month and a half after explant

>I quickly became very hyperthryoid. So, by

>June/July of last summer I was down to 1grain

>armour only and no cytomel. I noticed that my

>hair was falling out alot more but was sure it

>was from the surgery. I started to gain weight

>and cognitive function was very bad.... but I

>thought that maybe it was an adrenal problem

>because I was terrified of going hyper again and

>honestly did NOT want to be on huge doses of thyroid meds again.

>To make a long story short, I finally went to my

>doctor in December and had a thyroid test done.

>Well, wouldn't ya know it... my free t3 and free

>t4 were barely above normal range.... BUT the

>KICKER was that my TSH was .39 ..... which would

>indicate HYPERTHYROID! I researched this and

>found that these results normally occur with

>pituitary failure aka: central hypothroidism.

>I immediately doubled my armour to 2grains.

>Within weeks my hair started growing back. And I felt somewhat better.

>Since I still didn't feel completely like myself

>I had another test done and.... again , my TSH

>was even lower, but my free t3 and free t4 were

>still not high enough. So, I then went up to 3

>grains and now I feel great again... Everything

>seems to be working normally again.

>The thyroid thing is tricky because most doctors

>are down right STUPID! I had several doctors

>tell me I was hyper due to the low TSH when it

>was completely clear I was hypo due to the low

>t3 and t4 and also the fact that my blood

>pressure was 80/47 with a 46 beat per minute

>heart rate... certainly not hyper!

>As you probably know, thyroid meds cannot be

>dosed according to TSH.... especially if there

>is a potential pituitary issue going on.

>So, here I am, accepting that this is going to

>be a lifetime battle of some sort.

>Have you had any recent tests done?

>Hugs..

>Dawn

> Tricia Trish & lt;glory2glory1401@... & gt; wrote:

>Hi Dawn,

>So good to hear from you...thanks for updating us!

>

>Can you elaborate on your thyroid meds and what

>you did (or didn't) do? When you say you became a bit sick, what happened?

>

>I've been undermedicating myself for thyroid

>too....as in not taking any. I am wondering if

>I need to get back on the meds at this point.

>

>I'd be interested in hearing what you went through.

>

>I think you can get better also, but I think

>Rogene has said it best.....we need to walk a

>fine line and always be vigilant about what we

>are doing healthwise. It's something we can never take for granted again.

>Patty

>

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Hi Lynda, So you're bouncing around with thyroid too, huh? What have you been doing? Are you on thyroid meds? What do you take? How about cholesterol products? What are you doing for that? Congratulations on your success in getting your cholesterol lower! Thanks Lynda, I am so thankful for all the sharing we do here! PattyLynda <coss@...> wrote: Patty,My cholesterol level goes right with my thyroid, if the thyroid is low, the cholesterol is high, and vice-versa. Funny thing, the blood pressure seems to do the same. And my hair loss goes with low thyroid also.I have had a terrible year with regulating my thyroid, and right now it seems ok again. But it

was up and down and all over the map for a year. It is under 1 right now, and my cholesterol is lower than it has been in years.Lynda

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Patty,

Yes, my cholesterol levels were ridiculously high which was strange since I had always worked out vigorously and pretty much stuck to a good diet. I had my cholesterol re- checked and it was back to a really normal good number.... after the thyroid treatment. So, I tend to believe also what they say about cholesterol being a symptom of thyroid issues.... and infact years ago, many years ago, prior to the availability of thyroid testing..... High cholesterol levels were how they determined hypothyroidism!

I now do have regular testing ever since becoming sick and not realizing it was the thyroid... it was just so insidious, the symptoms could have been anything... now I know better.

Thankfully, I have an alternative doctor, not an endocrinologist........ he prescribes me what I need based upon my symptoms. The scary part is that I had recently gone to two different endo's and first of all they both said I was hyperthyroid even though I had the low bp and heart rate, was freezing cold, hair falling out, constipation, depressed, cognitive difficulties, etc. They poo pooed my free t3 and free t4 results... saying that they were in the normal range even though they were BARELY in the normal range. One of them told me I looked too good to have a thyroid or adrenal problem. AND, THE BEST was.... they both wanted to take me off of my ARMOUR. They were completely against armour for their own uninformed reasons (actually the synthroid rep probably had them in his pocket) and wanted me on SYNTHROID!!!! UGGGHHH. Hey, it is true synthroid may work for some, but it does not work for me.... I tried the synthroid and boy was I sicker than

ever.... could not even get out of bed.

So, that's why I stick with my alternative guy. He is the only one that I know of in NJ or NY that will help me. Pretty damn sad situation we are stuck with regarding these doctors and their incompetency.

Hugs,

Dawn

Tricia Trish & lt;glory2glory1401@... & gt; wrote:

Hi Dawn,

Thanks for sharing what you went through with the thyroid issues. They are very tricky, no doubt about that.

I've basically been feeling well enough to ignore my numbers and figured if all is well, don't mess with it!

But lately I am struggling with a few issues that I don't like, and since it all seemed to start after I got my root canals, I am wondering if they are the main culprit or if something else is going on. So, back to the drawing board for me.

I definitely need some more blood work done. I had some recently when I sent away tests for the Huggins protocol, and found out a few things I didn't like...such as having a cholestrol reading of 267. That's new. And higher cholesterol is typical of thyroid illness. Did you have any problems with cholesterol?

I may start up the thyroid meds again. I have read info that suggests leaving thyroid issues untreated or undertreated can just lead to more serious issues. I don't need that!

Thanks again Dawn. You have a great perspective on taking charge of your health. I agree, many doctors can be downright dumb! That's probably why I shy away from them.

By the way, do you go in for regular testing? Are you working with a doctor who listens to you and agrees to your dosages?

PattyDawn A <daldre@...> wrote:

Hi Patty, Glad to hear from you too! Well, prior to explant last April I was on a mega dose of armour and cytomel (5grains and 25mcg cytomel). A month and a half after explant I quickly became very hyperthryoid. So, by June/July of last summer I was down to 1grain armour only and no cytomel. I noticed that my hair was falling out alot more but was sure it was from the surgery. I started to gain weight and cognitive function was very bad.... but I thought that maybe it was an adrenal problem because I was terrified of going hyper again and honestly did NOT want to be on huge doses of thyroid meds again. To make a long story short, I finally went to my doctor in December and had a thyroid test done. Well, wouldn't ya know it... my free t3 and free t4 were barely above normal range.... BUT the KICKER was that my TSH was .39 ..... which would indicate HYPERTHYROID! I researched this and found that these results normally occur with pituitary failure aka: central hypothroidism. I immediately doubled my armour to 2grains. Within weeks my hair started growing back. And I felt somewhat better. Since I still didn't feel completely like myself I had another test done and.... again , my TSH was even lower, but my free t3 and free t4 were still not high enough. So, I then went up to 3 grains and now I feel great again... Everything seems to be working normally again. The thyroid thing is tricky because most doctors are down right STUPID! I had several doctors tell me I was hyper due to the low TSH when it was completely clear I was hypo due to the low t3 and t4 and also the fact that my blood pressure was 80/47 with a 46 beat per minute heart rate... certainly not hyper! As you probably know, thyroid meds cannot be dosed according to TSH.... especially if there is a potential pituitary issue going on. So, here I am, accepting that this is going to be a lifetime battle of some sort. Have you had any recent tests done? Hugs.. Dawn Tricia Trish & lt;glory2glory1401@... & gt; wrote:

Hi Dawn,

So good to hear from you...thanks for updating us!

Can you elaborate on your thyroid meds and what you did (or didn't) do? When you say you became a bit sick, what happened?

I've been undermedicating myself for thyroid too....as in not taking any. I am wondering if I need to get back on the meds at this point.

I'd be interested in hearing what you went through.

I think you can get better also, but I think Rogene has said it best.....we need to walk a fine line and always be vigilant about what we are doing healthwise. It's something we can never take for granted again.

Patty

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Hi Patty,

Yes, I take 100 mcg or Synthroid daily.

I take 20 mg. of Policosanol daily for cholesterol, but probably

would not need it if the thyroid stayed where it belonged. I will

feel it out this next year.

I wish I had tried the Armour Thyroid many years ago, but my

Naturopath did not think it was the right thing to do.

I am so glad this format has been so kind and gentle lately, it has

been wonderful. And the women who are sharing are so kind to each other.

You are always appreciated.

Lynda

At 10:33 AM 4/25/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Lynda,

>So you're bouncing around with thyroid too, huh?

>

>What have you been doing? Are you on thyroid meds? What do you take?

>

>How about cholesterol products? What are you doing for

>that? Congratulations on your success in getting your cholesterol lower!

>

>Thanks Lynda, I am so thankful for all the sharing we do here!

>Patty

>

>Lynda <coss@...> wrote:

>Patty,

>

>My cholesterol level goes right with my thyroid,

>if the thyroid is low, the cholesterol is high,

>and vice-versa. Funny thing, the blood pressure

>seems to do the same. And my hair loss goes with low thyroid also.

>

>I have had a terrible year with regulating my

>thyroid, and right now it seems ok again. But it

>was up and down and all over the map for a

>year. It is under 1 right now, and my

>cholesterol is lower than it has been in years.

>

>Lynda

>

>

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>decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

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Kathy, That is really, really sad about your friend. It breaks my heart to hear of losses like that....so avoidable it seems if we just had hindsight to work with. I've heard so many times where people have said that the treatment for cancer was more toxic than the cancer itself. It's such a difficult choice, but from what I've heard, I think I've got my mind made up should I ever have the misfortune to have cancer. No drugs, and lots and lots of faith. I'm sorry for your loss. You've been through alot lately. I hope you are feeling much better! How are you doing on your healing decisions? Have you made any decisions on what to do next? Any dental decisions? I am going to try some glyconutrients again. If I have another bad response to them, at least I can let my

family use them. It sounds like they help so many people. I'll be making my own with the recipes that were posted. I've already ordered some of the products...arabinogalactan powder, shiitake mushroom powder, bovine cartilage, kelp, etc. I already had some of the ingredients, so I just ordered the rest. I'll try the two recipes, and see what happens. I've scheduled my root canal extraction for May 1st. I'm ready! I can't wait to be done with this chapter. Oh, and surprise, surprise. I took 1 grain of Armour thyroid this morning and my period started....finally! I've gone 66 days without a period, and found that so strange that it started just when I added the thyroid! Wonder if there is any connection???? I've never gone that long before without getting my period, except when I was pregnant. Ugh. Changes. Blah! Patty mikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote: Oh Rogene,You are so smart to put that together. It is true but so many people are not aware of how awful drugs can make them feel. Especially mentally. I react to everything strangely so I am well aware of the connection. I was one of those people who actually got seriously and profoundly depressed on some antidepressants. There are people out there who dont know that is possible and become suicidal when they get even more depressed on antidepressants and think there is no hope instead of realizing it is how they are reacting to the meds. Many many drugs have a huge list of side effects. I hope you can help your mom with this knowledge.I am sorry that you can't

continue to take this drug, but if anyone will get better without standard meds, it will be you. I don't believe in them much anyway. I just had a dear friend of mine die from chemo. She had surgery and they successfully removed her cancer. She was just doing chemo for the same reason you did radiation--to increase her chances of not having an reoccurance. She was doing great. Then chemo. On her 3rd chemo treatment she got really sick and went into organ failure and died. They told her husband that the chemo weakened her immune system and she got some virus that spread quickly. Don't know if that is true--only that she had every chance of recovering until the chemo took her. It was so sad! It is so very hard to know what to do. In the end, we have to trust God to lead us down the right paths and then do what we feel compelled to do.

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So are you Lynda! PattyLynda <coss@...> wrote: Hi Patty,Yes, I take 100 mcg or Synthroid daily.I take 20 mg. of Policosanol daily for cholesterol, but probably would not need it if the thyroid stayed where it belonged. I will feel it out this next year.I wish I had tried the Armour Thyroid many years ago, but my Naturopath did not think it was the right thing to do.I am so glad this format has been so kind and gentle lately, it has been wonderful. And the women who are sharing are so kind to each other.You are always appreciated.LyndaAt 10:33 AM 4/25/2006, you wrote:>Hi Lynda,>So you're bouncing around with thyroid too, huh?>>What have you been doing? Are you on thyroid meds? What do you

take?>>How about cholesterol products? What are you doing for >that? Congratulations on your success in getting your cholesterol lower!>>Thanks Lynda, I am so thankful for all the sharing we do here!>Patty

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Ooooh, that surely proves your thyroid was low, Patty.

How about hair loss? Fatigue? etc.???

Lynda

At 05:06 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:

>Kathy,

>That is really, really sad about your

>friend. It breaks my heart to hear of losses

>like that....so avoidable it seems if we just had hindsight to work with.

>

>I've heard so many times where people have said

>that the treatment for cancer was more toxic

>than the cancer itself. It's such a difficult

>choice, but from what I've heard, I think I've

>got my mind made up should I ever have

>the misfortune to have cancer. No drugs, and lots and lots of faith.

>

>I'm sorry for your loss. You've been through

>alot lately. I hope you are feeling much better!

>

>How are you doing on your healing

>decisions? Have you made any decisions on what

>to do next? Any dental decisions?

>

>I am going to try some glyconutrients again. If

>I have another bad response to them, at least I

>can let my family use them. It sounds like they

>help so many people. I'll be making my own with

>the recipes that were posted. I've already

>ordered some of the products...arabinogalactan

>powder, shiitake mushroom powder, bovine

>cartilage, kelp, etc. I already had some of the

>ingredients, so I just ordered the rest. I'll

>try the two recipes, and see what happens.

>

>I've scheduled my root canal extraction for May

>1st. I'm ready! I can't wait to be done with this chapter.

>

>Oh, and surprise, surprise. I took 1 grain of

>Armour thyroid this morning and my period

>started....finally! I've gone 66 days without a

>period, and found that so strange that it

>started just when I added the thyroid! Wonder

>if there is any connection???? I've never gone

>that long before without getting my period,

>except when I was pregnant. Ugh. Changes. Blah!

>Patty

>

>

>

>mikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>Oh Rogene,

>You are so smart to put that together. It is true but so many

>people are not aware of how awful drugs can make them feel.

>Especially mentally. I react to everything strangely so I am well

>aware of the connection. I was one of those people who actually got

>seriously and profoundly depressed on some antidepressants. There

>are people out there who dont know that is possible and become

>suicidal when they get even more depressed on antidepressants and

>think there is no hope instead of realizing it is how they are

>reacting to the meds. Many many drugs have a huge list of side

>effects. I hope you can help your mom with this knowledge.

>I am sorry that you can't continue to take this drug, but if anyone

>will get better without standard meds, it will be you. I don't

>believe in them much anyway.

>I just had a dear friend of mine die from chemo. She had surgery

>and they successfully removed her cancer. She was just doing chemo

>for the same reason you did radiation--to increase her chances of

>not having an reoccurance. She was doing great. Then chemo. On

>her 3rd chemo treatment she got really sick and went into organ

>failure and died. They told her husband that the chemo weakened her

>immune system and she got some virus that spread quickly. Don't

>know if that is true--only that she had every chance of recovering

>until the chemo took her. It was so sad! It is so very hard to

>know what to do. In the end, we have to trust God to lead us down

>the right paths and then do what we feel compelled to do.

>Hugs,kathy

>

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Not much hair loss or fatigue, but oh, brain fog....whew! I hate that! Thanks for the confirmation about the thyroid Lynda. I've been just thinking things were going along okay, but I guess not! Guess I better get back on those meds for sure. PattyLynda <coss@...> wrote: Ooooh, that surely proves your thyroid was low, Patty.How about hair loss? Fatigue? etc.???LyndaAt 05:06 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:>Kathy,>That is really, really sad about your >friend. It breaks my heart to hear of losses >like that....so avoidable it seems if we just had hindsight to work with.>>I've heard so many times where people have said >that the treatment for cancer was more toxic >than

the cancer itself. It's such a difficult >choice, but from what I've heard, I think I've >got my mind made up should I ever have >the misfortune to have cancer. No drugs, and lots and lots of faith.>>I'm sorry for your loss. You've been through >alot lately. I hope you are feeling much better!>>How are you doing on your healing >decisions? Have you made any decisions on what >to do next? Any dental decisions?>>I am going to try some glyconutrients again. If >I have another bad response to them, at least I >can let my family use them. It sounds like they >help so many people. I'll be making my own with >the recipes that were posted. I've already >ordered some of the products...arabinogalactan >powder, shiitake mushroom powder, bovine >cartilage, kelp, etc. I already had

some of the >ingredients, so I just ordered the rest. I'll >try the two recipes, and see what happens.>>I've scheduled my root canal extraction for May >1st. I'm ready! I can't wait to be done with this chapter.>>Oh, and surprise, surprise. I took 1 grain of >Armour thyroid this morning and my period >started....finally! I've gone 66 days without a >period, and found that so strange that it >started just when I added the thyroid! Wonder >if there is any connection???? I've never gone >that long before without getting my period, >except when I was pregnant. Ugh. Changes. Blah!>Patty>>>>mikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote:>>>>Oh Rogene,>You are so smart to put that together. It is true but so many>people are not aware of how awful drugs can

make them feel.>Especially mentally. I react to everything strangely so I am well>aware of the connection. I was one of those people who actually got>seriously and profoundly depressed on some antidepressants. There>are people out there who dont know that is possible and become>suicidal when they get even more depressed on antidepressants and>think there is no hope instead of realizing it is how they are>reacting to the meds. Many many drugs have a huge list of side>effects. I hope you can help your mom with this knowledge.>I am sorry that you can't continue to take this drug, but if anyone>will get better without standard meds, it will be you. I don't>believe in them much anyway.>I just had a dear friend of mine die from chemo. She had surgery>and they successfully removed her cancer. She was just doing chemo>for the same reason

you did radiation--to increase her chances of>not having an reoccurance. She was doing great. Then chemo. On>her 3rd chemo treatment she got really sick and went into organ>failure and died. They told her husband that the chemo weakened her>immune system and she got some virus that spread quickly. Don't>know if that is true--only that she had every chance of recovering>until the chemo took her. It was so sad! It is so very hard to>know what to do. In the end, we have to trust God to lead us down>the right paths and then do what we feel compelled to do.>Hugs,kathy>>>Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make ><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http://us.rd./evt=39663/*http://voice.>PC-to-Phone >Calls using Messenger with Voice.>>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the >place of advice given by licensed health care >professionals. Consult your physician or >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.>>"Do not let either the medical authorities or >the politicians mislead you. Find out what the >facts are, and make your own decisions about how >to live a happy life and how to work for a >better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel >Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)>>See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.com/action/>>

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Ok, I did not have much brain fog, but gained 10

pounds in 1 month, and have lost hair. And the

fatigue was not as bad as when I first had

problems, but was starting to kick in.

I do hate to be on medication. I guess many of us just fight it and fight it.

Lynda

At 06:15 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:

>Not much hair loss or fatigue, but oh, brain fog....whew! I hate that!

>

>Thanks for the confirmation about the thyroid

>Lynda. I've been just thinking things were

>going along okay, but I guess not! Guess I

>better get back on those meds for sure.

>Patty

>

>Lynda <coss@...> wrote:

>Ooooh, that surely proves your thyroid was low, Patty.

>

>How about hair loss? Fatigue? etc.???

>

>Lynda

>

>

>

>At 05:06 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:

> >Kathy,

> >That is really, really sad about your

> >friend. It breaks my heart to hear of losses

> >like that....so avoidable it seems if we just had hindsight to work with.

> >

> >I've heard so many times where people have said

> >that the treatment for cancer was more toxic

> >than the cancer itself. It's such a difficult

> >choice, but from what I've heard, I think I've

> >got my mind made up should I ever have

> >the misfortune to have cancer. No drugs, and lots and lots of faith.

> >

> >I'm sorry for your loss. You've been through

> >alot lately. I hope you are feeling much better!

> >

> >How are you doing on your healing

> >decisions? Have you made any decisions on what

> >to do next? Any dental decisions?

> >

> >I am going to try some glyconutrients again. If

> >I have another bad response to them, at least I

> >can let my family use them. It sounds like they

> >help so many people. I'll be making my own with

> >the recipes that were posted. I've already

> >ordered some of the products...arabinogalactan

> >powder, shiitake mushroom powder, bovine

> >cartilage, kelp, etc. I already had some of the

> >ingredients, so I just ordered the rest. I'll

> >try the two recipes, and see what happens.

> >

> >I've scheduled my root canal extraction for May

> >1st. I'm ready! I can't wait to be done with this chapter.

> >

> >Oh, and surprise, surprise. I took 1 grain of

> >Armour thyroid this morning and my period

> >started....finally! I've gone 66 days without a

> >period, and found that so strange that it

> >started just when I added the thyroid! Wonder

> >if there is any connection???? I've never gone

> >that long before without getting my period,

> >except when I was pregnant. Ugh. Changes. Blah!

> >Patty

> >

> >

> >

> >mikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >Oh Rogene,

> >You are so smart to put that together. It is true but so many

> >people are not aware of how awful drugs can make them feel.

> >Especially mentally. I react to everything strangely so I am well

> >aware of the connection. I was one of those people who actually got

> >seriously and profoundly depressed on some antidepressants. There

> >are people out there who dont know that is possible and become

> >suicidal when they get even more depressed on antidepressants and

> >think there is no hope instead of realizing it is how they are

> >reacting to the meds. Many many drugs have a huge list of side

> >effects. I hope you can help your mom with this knowledge.

> >I am sorry that you can't continue to take this drug, but if anyone

> >will get better without standard meds, it will be you. I don't

> >believe in them much anyway.

> >I just had a dear friend of mine die from chemo. She had surgery

> >and they successfully removed her cancer. She was just doing chemo

> >for the same reason you did radiation--to increase her chances of

> >not having an reoccurance. She was doing great. Then chemo. On

> >her 3rd chemo treatment she got really sick and went into organ

> >failure and died. They told her husband that the chemo weakened her

> >immune system and she got some virus that spread quickly. Don't

> >know if that is true--only that she had every chance of recovering

> >until the chemo took her. It was so sad! It is so very hard to

> >know what to do. In the end, we have to trust God to lead us down

> >the right paths and then do what we feel compelled to do.

> >Hugs,kathy

> >

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--- Hi, Dawn...I'm with you on the incompetency. It bothers me that

so few doctors will be accountable for their errors. On the

cholesterol issue, mine is high...my diet o.k. and thyroid o.k. I

read an article re: rats injected with silicone...cholesterol went

through the roof! Interesting, eh?

God bless you,

Sunny

In , Dawn A <daldre@...> wrote:

>

>

> Patty,

> Yes, my cholesterol levels were ridiculously high which was strange

since I had always worked out vigorously and pretty much stuck to a

good diet. I had my cholesterol re- checked and it was back to a

really normal good number.... after the thyroid treatment. So, I tend

to believe also what they say about cholesterol being a symptom of

thyroid issues.... and infact years ago, many years ago, prior to the

availability of thyroid testing..... High cholesterol levels were how

they determined hypothyroidism!

> I now do have regular testing ever since becoming sick and not

realizing it was the thyroid... it was just so insidious, the

symptoms could have been anything... now I know better.

> Thankfully, I have an alternative doctor, not an

endocrinologist........ he prescribes me what I need based upon my

symptoms. The scary part is that I had recently gone to two different

endo's and first of all they both said I was hyperthyroid even though

I had the low bp and heart rate, was freezing cold, hair falling out,

constipation, depressed, cognitive difficulties, etc. They poo pooed

my free t3 and free t4 results... saying that they were in the normal

range even though they were BARELY in the normal range. One of them

told me I looked too good to have a thyroid or adrenal problem. AND,

THE BEST was.... they both wanted to take me off of my ARMOUR. They

were completely against armour for their own uninformed reasons

(actually the synthroid rep probably had them in his pocket) and

wanted me on SYNTHROID!!!! UGGGHHH. Hey, it is true synthroid may

work for some, but it does not work for me.... I tried the synthroid

and boy was I sicker than ever.... could not even get

> out of bed.

> So, that's why I stick with my alternative guy. He is the only one

that I know of in NJ or NY that will help me. Pretty damn sad

situation we are stuck with regarding these doctors and their

incompetency.

> Hugs,

> Dawn

> Tricia Trish glory2glory1401@... wrote: Hi Dawn,

> Thanks for sharing what you went through with the thyroid issues.

They are very tricky, no doubt about that.

>

> I've basically been feeling well enough to ignore my numbers and

figured if all is well, don't mess with it!

>

> But lately I am struggling with a few issues that I don't like, and

since it all seemed to start after I got my root canals, I am

wondering if they are the main culprit or if something else is going

on. So, back to the drawing board for me.

>

> I definitely need some more blood work done. I had some recently

when I sent away tests for the Huggins protocol, and found out a few

things I didn't like...such as having a cholestrol reading of 267.

That's new. And higher cholesterol is typical of thyroid illness.

Did you have any problems with cholesterol?

>

> I may start up the thyroid meds again. I have read info that

suggests leaving thyroid issues untreated or undertreated can just

lead to more serious issues. I don't need that!

> Thanks again Dawn. You have a great perspective on taking charge

of your health. I agree, many doctors can be downright dumb! That's

probably why I shy away from them.

>

> By the way, do you go in for regular testing? Are you working

with a doctor who listens to you and agrees to your dosages?

> Patty

>

> Dawn A <daldre@...> wrote:

> Hi Patty, Glad to hear from you too! Well, prior to explant last

April I was on a mega dose of armour and cytomel (5grains and 25mcg

cytomel). A month and a half after explant I quickly became very

hyperthryoid. So, by June/July of last summer I was down to 1grain

armour only and no cytomel. I noticed that my hair was falling out

alot more but was sure it was from the surgery. I started to gain

weight and cognitive function was very bad.... but I thought that

maybe it was an adrenal problem because I was terrified of going

hyper again and honestly did NOT want to be on huge doses of thyroid

meds again. To make a long story short, I finally went to my doctor

in December and had a thyroid test done. Well, wouldn't ya know it...

my free t3 and free t4 were barely above normal range.... BUT the

KICKER was that my TSH was .39 ..... which would indicate

HYPERTHYROID! I researched this and found that these results normally

occur with pituitary failure aka: central hypothroidism. I

> immediately doubled my armour to 2grains. Within weeks my hair

started growing back. And I felt somewhat better. Since I still

didn't feel completely like myself I had another test done and....

again , my TSH was even lower, but my free t3 and free t4 were still

not high enough. So, I then went up to 3 grains and now I feel great

again... Everything seems to be working normally again. The thyroid

thing is tricky because most doctors are down right STUPID! I had

several doctors tell me I was hyper due to the low TSH when it was

completely clear I was hypo due to the low t3 and t4 and also the

fact that my blood pressure was 80/47 with a 46 beat per minute heart

rate... certainly not hyper! As you probably know, thyroid meds

cannot be dosed according to TSH.... especially if there is a

potential pituitary issue going on. So, here I am, accepting that

this is going to be a lifetime battle of some sort. Have you had any

recent tests done? Hugs.. Dawn Tricia Trish

> glory2glory1401@... wrote: Hi Dawn,

> So good to hear from you...thanks for updating us!

>

> Can you elaborate on your thyroid meds and what you did (or didn't)

do? When you say you became a bit sick, what happened?

>

> I've been undermedicating myself for thyroid too....as in not

taking any. I am wondering if I need to get back on the meds at this

point.

>

> I'd be interested in hearing what you went through.

>

> I think you can get better also, but I think Rogene has said it

best.....we need to walk a fine line and always be vigilant about

what we are doing healthwise. It's something we can never take for

granted again.

> Patty

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