Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 I would love to tell them, " if it's sooooo safe... you take it. " susan Re: 's latest Dr.'s appt. snipped: You have a perfect right to say that in today's climate you do not trust the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA to report the full information on any drug. Tell him had you taken this stance several months ago you wouldn't be sitting in his office today. It doesn't matter whether he is insulted, angry, humiliated or just plain old confused--it's not his body, it's not his life. It's yours and you have to protect it. Hang in there, my friend. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 , I tried to get to sit down and reply, but he wasn't in the mood to try to " do the computer thing " , asked me to respond for him. Your advise did not surprise any of us, well actually it did in a way, the dangers of this particular drug went behind what we expected. This Doc truly wants to help with his suffering and senses that, so it bothers that he'd want to give him something so extremely dangerous. I told him that he just doesn't know any better, drugs are all he knows. Then I gave him the example of President Washington...when the medical experts of his day attempted to save him by " bleeding " him, they truly, truly believed they were helping him..and when the doctors removed the bullet from Lincoln's brain and proceeded to " dig around in his grey matter " , they too, (as I've heard anyway) believed they were saving his life. Only much later did everyone figure out these were not good ideas, and actually contributed to their deaths. He wanted to tell the doc that he was taking it(even though he wasn't going to), so as not to hurt his feelings. I told him no, that wasn't fair to the doctor or to himself. The words you gave him to say are absolutely perfect and totally true. He agreed. We're suppose to call him in a few days and let him know how the Geodon is working out. Hope he takes 's decison well, I think he will cause he knows how freaked out is about taking any drugs. Thanks again for all your help . Cheryl and > Dear , > > > Your Mom said: > > > << saw the psychiatrist this afternoon. All went pretty well > except the man is determined to put him on drugs. told him > clearly (again) that he wanted to get off of all anti-psychotic, anti- > depressants, etc. etc. and then......IF...he's still crazy (his words > not mine), then he'd be willing to try some new meds. Well, the Doc > told him it's unnecessary for him to suffer with the paranoia and > also more recently a feeling of being small and insignificant in a > very large world, this always leads into fear. Anyway, the Dr. said > he could give him something to help with the paranoia while he's > weaning off the paxil. It's called Geodon 40 mg. Gave him the > freebies in a box and told him to take one before he goes to > bed...suppose to target his paranoia and make it go away. > asked loads of questions, like what this would do to his > brain chemistry, how hard is it to get off of, what type of side > effects are associated with it and things like that, naturally he had > terrific answers for all...But..I was proud of to question and > to ask..That shows some " growth " from within. He never would have > done that in years past. > Anyway..he had me drop him off at a friends house, and the last > thing he said was.. " Ask about this medicine. If she says I > shouldn't take it, I won't. " Guess he needs to hear it from you > because his dad and I have already told him we didn't think it was a > good idea. > He'll wait to hear from you. Thanks ...we appreciate you > so much!>> > > > > ** Geodon is in the big leagues. It is an antipsychotic that > manipulates so many neurotransmitters it's a wonder people can find their > hands after taking it. If you were to consider an SSRI an 8 on a scale of > ten as far as the harm it is capable of doing, Geodon would weigh in at 15 > on that scale. > > > The doctor who so casually handed over samples is apparently unconcerned > with the capacity of this drug to prolong the QT/QTc interval. Compared to > several other antipsychotic drugs Geodon has the most potential to do this. > > > Prolongation of the QTc interval has the ability to cause torsade de > pointes-type cardiac arrhythmia, a potentially fatal polymorphic ventricular > tachycardia, and sudden death moreso than any other antipsychotic. It is > common knowledge amongst psychiatrists (or I thought it was) that other > drugs should be tried first because of this risk. > > > You may want to take a look at this: > > > http://www.startthehealing.com/warninglist.html > > > > The bottom line is there is no safe psychotropic drug. The least harmful > are the benzodiazepines but they are also one of the most addictive. ALL of > these drugs cause structural changes in the brain. This is a politically > correct tern for brain damage. > > > You have a perfect right to say that in today's climate you do not trust > the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA to report the full information on > any drug. Tell him had you taken this stance several months ago you > wouldn't be sitting in his office today. It doesn't matter whether he is > insulted, angry, humiliated or just plain old confused--it's not his body, > it's not his life. It's yours and you have to protect it. > > > Hang in there, my friend. > > Regards, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 This is good to know. Do you have any advice for people here on how to approach this so maybe thry won't get turned down the first time? Thanks! 90% of all applicants for SSD get turned down automatically. About 75% get turned down in the second go-round. In my husband's case, they declared him disabled without more than one application and without a hearing but then his dx was Traumatic Brain Injury. The definition of being disabled is "the illness has to last more than one year or end in death." Lovely, eh? In my case, I not only had physical limitations (the use of only one arm because I was only 3 weeks out of surgery at the time of the hearing) and the Fed's vocational expert was at the hearing with a 12" thick book that lists every job classification in America. There were jobs that I could supposedly do with just one arm, so they decided that I wasn't disabled based on my physical limitations. I was disabled, howeve,r based on my mental state which was 10 months post Paxil and I could still barely function, couldn't drive, couldn't really care for myself, and was still traumatized from the Paxil experience, so they gave me disability based on a PTSD dx. The hearing took 4 hours. It was hell. And the whole process took two years, plus another year after that for me to get benefits. It's a hurry up and wait kind of deal. "Blind Reason" a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 I could still barely function, couldn't drive, couldn't really care for myself, and was still traumatized from the Paxil experience, so they gave me disability based on a PTSD dx I forgot to add that it was the psychologist I went to who gave me that dx and he was the one who filled out the functional reports that stated I could NOT function. They had also sent me to one of the Fed's doctors, but it was MY doctor whose report they relied on when making the final decision as he was my treating doctor. "Blind Reason" a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Gosh, after reading everyones' experience I must say, I dread the whole process! We've just gotten started. His application was mailed out only 4 weeks ago...I guess we've got a long haul ahead of us! Ya might know they make it difficult. 's been unable to work due to his adverse reaction to the paxil poison for almost one year. I believe it'll be a year this month...at least that's when I first took him to the doctor about all the things that were happening to him. Thanks to everyone for the advise and information, I will save these posts for future reference. His son's mother called last night and asked him to go with her to take their little boy trick-or-treating. It was so difficult for him to go. New " situations " make him really, really nervous and paranoid. He finally decided to go. I'm glad he did. It meant alot to his son. It's odd how something so simple and easy can be so blown out of proportion in his mind? And stranger yet...he KNOWS it's no big deal...but somehow his mind fills him with unrational fear. I wish he'd use the flower essences at times like this but he says he'd rather not. I think he doesn't trust what's in them. At least his paranoia and fears are better now, a few months back he wouldn't have left the back porch..so...we are making progress!! Have a really good day everyone! Cheryl > In a message dated 10/31/04 4:02:31 PM Mountain Standard Time, > glitterari@a... writes: > > > > I could still barely function, couldn't drive, couldn't really care for > > myself, and was still traumatized from the Paxil experience, so they gave me > > disability based on a PTSD dx > > I forgot to add that it was the psychologist I went to who gave me that dx > and he was the one who filled out the functional reports that stated I could NOT > function. They had also sent me to one of the Fed's doctors, but it was MY > doctor whose report they relied on when making the final decision as he was my > treating doctor. > > " Blind Reason " > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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