Guest guest Posted February 9, 1999 Report Share Posted February 9, 1999 Anee Bear writes: << ... I just got Dr Bernsteins book from Amazon and I am gonna try one more time. Someone here said his was the easiest to understand. I hope it works. Susie, do you do one of the popular low carb diets? ... >> Anee, I hate being on the road like this. It is as if my *real* life (meaning my online life ... hahaha) ceases to exist for days or weeks at a time when I must travel. Anyway, it sure makes me sit up and pay attention when a diabetic reports worse b.g.'s on low-carb than formerly. As another writer posts, for type 1's, it certainly could be a need to adjust insulin types/dosages to account for fewer carbs and more fat/protein. By now, you have probably digest much of Bernstein's excellent book and experimented with eating differently. I hope you have found success, girl. I am a '60s kiddo and never got much into lists, instructions, reports, etc., and my meals change daily, but I think I am eating about 25% carbs, with the carbs I do select the " healthy " ones (mostly tossed salads and greens). I am pretty careful to limit animal fats too. If I leave the vodka alone, I lose 2-3 pounds a week and feel just fine doing the relatively low-carb thing. What I love about the low-carb approach to diabetes is it is basically free treatment ... no pills, frequent doctor's appointments, etc. And so far, I have seen no negative side effects; conversely, I have seen all my diabetes complications vanish. My chest pain has pretty much resolved as well. I hope the Dr. B approach works for you and others. But if there are problems with the low-carb thang for diabetics, your comments are welcome. Susie (just back from SC, GA, FL, AL, MS, LA, TX, AR, MO, TN, KY, IA, IL, WI, IN, OH, WV and VA) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 1999 Report Share Posted February 17, 1999 Becky. There are two schools of thought on the subject of diet. You have been exposed to the conventional thinking by your care givers that as much as 150 carbohydrates a day is acceptable while making adjustments to your blood sugar with drugs. The other school, as depicted by the Atkins and Bernstein diets, recommends that you control your blood sugars by limiting your carbohydrates to from 50mg to 30 mg a day and using less or no drugs. Both have merit and may be applicable to any individual depending on their specific situation. I suggest that you read everything on this list, and everything else that you can get your hands on to make your decision on which route you wish to follow. You are the one, in the end, that will have to manage your diabetes. We are all struggling to fine the truth for our particular situation. To learn more about the extreme diet school of thought you can read Dr. Bernstein's book, Diabetic Solutions. to learn more about the more conservative solutions you can read from the publications of your national diabetic association. Best of luck. Winston Low carb diet > > >I spoke to my family practioner on Monday when I had a physical and to >the diabetes nurse on Tuesday at a diabetes management meeting. Both say >that a very low carb diet is not the way to go. Doctor says I can eat >potatoes and pasta--just with moderation. > >The nurse gave a very informative talk. While I realized that diabetes >made a person suseptible to infections, I hadn't known before that an >infection could raise bg levels. She talked about how even a gum >infection or canker sores could raise levels. > >Also she explained the " dawn phenomenon, " which I have, in which bg >readings are highest in the morning. She checked everyone's bg at the >beginning of the meeting; mine was 147 (high for me). I had her check >mine again at the end of the meeting (45 min. later); it was 124. >Usually I check later in the day and get lower readings. >Becky > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 1999 Report Share Posted April 13, 1999 Toni Fuller said: << ... If I were you I would not even think about low carbing. I don't by any means mean that you should gobble carbs, but you you should definitely *not* go on a diet high in protein. Several doctors have told me that high protein, low carb diets cause liver damage ... >> First, Toni, I understand that this message, intended for Stormy's eyes only, accidentally went public - and I wrote a note to you in private indicating that. Now ... you said high-protein, low-carb diets cause liver damage. I think you meant to say kidney damage. And, in fact, I am not sure there is even proof for that. Dr. Bernstein, often referenced in this group and others, believes it is diabetes rather than protein which damages kidneys. But if you have evidence I'm not aware of that high protein intake causes *liver* damage, please share it. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 1999 Report Share Posted April 14, 1999 How about putting those of you who are Type I in a state of ketoacidosis? I was on the Atkins died 20 years ago and got very ill from it! n ---------- From: OtterCritter@... To: diabetes_intonelist Subject: Re: low carb diet Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 7:51 PM From: OtterCritter@... Toni Fuller said: << ... If I were you I would not even think about low carbing. I don't by any means mean that you should gobble carbs, but you you should definitely *not* go on a diet high in protein. Several doctors have told me that high protein, low carb diets cause liver damage ... >> First, Toni, I understand that this message, intended for Stormy's eyes only, accidentally went public - and I wrote a note to you in private indicating that. Now ... you said high-protein, low-carb diets cause liver damage. I think you meant to say kidney damage. And, in fact, I am not sure there is even proof for that. Dr. Bernstein, often referenced in this group and others, believes it is diabetes rather than protein which damages kidneys. But if you have evidence I'm not aware of that high protein intake causes *liver* damage, please share it. Susie ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking to expand your world? http://www.ONElist.com ONElist has over 115,000 e-mail communities from which to chose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 1999 Report Share Posted April 14, 1999 Kay, There is a huge difference between DKA and benign dietary ketosis. I am on the Atkins diet and have been spilling ketones for weeks straight. My average BGs are running in the 120s. This is dietary ketosis. The ketones are the " ash " of burned fat, either from that luscious 14 oz. porterhouse I had for dinner, or from my ever diminishing spare tire. There is no danger from this, excepting bad breath. DKA is the result of not having enough insulin to utilize the glucose present. The glucose rises and the body burns fat in an attempt to make more. DKA is to be suspected if you are a T-1 and your BG is > 240 mg%. No low carb diet will put you into DKA. Low carbing doesn't cause you to make less insulin, just less glucose. The fact that you got ill from the diet is, I think, another of those YMMV things. We all feel crummy for the first few days as our bodies adjust and we burn off lots of stored glycogen. After that, I always feel great. Susie, as usual, is right. Despite my high protein consumption, my renal functions have all improved since I went back on Atkins. (I quit twice before after a six month " stall " each time.) Since my T-2 dx, I finally came to grips with the fact that this is a diet for life. Best regards, Jim Kay wrote: > > > How about putting those of you who are Type I in a state of ketoacidosis? > I was on the Atkins died 20 years ago and got very ill from it! > > n > > ---------- > From: OtterCritter@... > To: diabetes_intonelist > Subject: Re: low carb diet > Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 7:51 PM > > From: OtterCritter@... > > Toni Fuller said: > > << ... If I were you I would not even think about low carbing. I don't by > any means mean that you should gobble carbs, but you you should definitely > *not* go on a diet high in protein. Several doctors have told me that high > protein, low carb diets cause liver damage ... >> > > First, Toni, I understand that this message, intended for Stormy's eyes > only, accidentally went public - and I wrote a note to you in private > indicating that. Now ... you said high-protein, low-carb diets cause liver > damage. I think you meant to say kidney damage. And, in fact, I am not sure > there is even proof for that. Dr. Bernstein, often referenced in > this group and others, believes it is diabetes rather than protein which > damages kidneys. But if you have evidence I'm not aware of that high > protein > intake causes *liver* damage, please share it. > > Susie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking to expand your world? > http://www.ONElist.com > ONElist has over 115,000 e-mail communities from which to chose! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 1999 Report Share Posted April 14, 1999 n writes: << How about putting those of you who are Type I in a state of ketoacidosis? I was on the Atkins died 20 years ago and got very ill from it! >> n, you were a type 1 20 years ago? Type 1's are generally not obese; in fact, they are normal weight or thin. Why did you go on the Atkins diet then? Type 1's can certainly become dangerously ill by not matching insulin to carbohydrate intake. That includes type 1's who suddenly restrict carbohydrate intake without adjusting their insulin intake. If you were a type 1 20 years ago, are you saying that you went on this dramatic food intake adjustment diet without consulting your doctor? Your brief note is inflammatory and misleading, IMO. Please give us more facts. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 1999 Report Share Posted April 14, 1999 n wrote: << How about putting those of you who are Type I in a state of ketoacidosis? I was on the Atkins died 20 years ago and got very ill from it! >> n, I read another post of yours, and I infer from it that you are actually a type 2, trying to lose weight, and that you were diagnosed maybe 10 years ago. You report that twenty years ago, when you tried a ketogenic diet, you became ill. If you feel ill, you can add back some carbohydrates until you feel better. And, as Mr. Hartmann pointed out, the benign ketosis you and other dieters experience is far different from the potentially fatal diabetic ketoACIDOCIS that type 1's (and some type 2's who are on sulfonylureas) worry about. Being in ketosis just means that our bodies are burning fat ... a desirable goal for those of us with some pounds to shed. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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