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I posted the pictures under photos---lol, took me a minute to figure

that out! I'm such a dork sometimes!

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> I think I may have a " buffalo hump " can someone take a look at a

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> for me and give opinions?

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I just started on isocort a few days ago, just one pellet 3x daily.

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> Hard to tell but it sure looks like a possibility. Are yo on adrenal

> support meds? How much? what kind?

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No, I can't afford it right now. My temps do flucuate more than a

full degree throughout the day though and I tried and failed the

flashlight test.

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> Have you had your cortisol levels tested?

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also had low end of normal sodium and high end of normal potassium

on my blood test.

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Corrine (sorry if misspelled) The Buffalo hump is a symptoms of only one

thing I can think of, LONG term high Cortisol. And ti would be quite

high to cause that. I would be afraid to recommend any steroids for you

until you have actual testing done for cortisol levels as if you take

more it would become worse as well as other high cortisol symptoms

usually related to Cushings Disease. The possibility here is too great

to risk further endangering your health. And I am not one that is afraid

to recommend steroids when I feel people need them.

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>>also had low end of normal sodium and high end of normal potassium

on my blood test. <<

This you can safely treat with Sea salt without endangering yourself. I

would do a Google search for Celtic Sea Salt. You want the gray variety

unprocessed. I would take 1/4 to 1/2 tsp in oj or water twice a day.

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so should I discontinue the isocort until I can get cortisol

tested? Already got the sea salt per your reccomendation :), it's

ugly (cuz it's gray) but it tastes great! Very easy to take in OJ

or tomato juice or just with water.

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> Corrine (sorry if misspelled) The Buffalo hump is a symptoms of

only one

> thing I can think of, LONG term high Cortisol. And ti would be

quite

> high to cause that. I would be afraid to recommend any steroids

for you

> until you have actual testing done for cortisol levels as if you

take

> more it would become worse as well as other high cortisol symptoms

> usually related to Cushings Disease. The possibility here is too

great

> to risk further endangering your health. And I am not one that is

afraid

> to recommend steroids when I feel people need them.

>

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> Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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I had read the high cortisol thing too, and I have some of the

symptoms...like all my weight gain is in my stomach/chest/face, lol my

legs look like they belong on someone half my size! Also the facial

hair (chin and neck, coarse and thick, and I'm blonde), but when I

raised my armour dose by 1/2 grain it felt like it stopped

working...and when I started the isocort I felt great again, in fact

better than when I first started the armour. Still do! For sure I

have chronic stress...and it's chronic stress that I can't just put an

end to, I just need to learn to live with. Still do!

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It is probably OK to continue where you are with the Isocort but DO get

testing done ASAP. And that stress you can't put an end to? It WILL end

your life as you know it if you are becoming Cushingoid from it!

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Hubby has MS...we never know what's going to happen tomorrow...could

be crippled could be fine-could change from relapse/remitting to

chronic progressive resulting in death...that and he has diabetes, and

low thyroid (just found that) and high cholesterol-and I'm raising a

teenager and having my own health problems. Now that's without even

beginning to address financial issues. I really don't sweat the small

stuff, just have lots of big stuff. I'm only 32, and sometime feel

132.

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> It is probably OK to continue where you are with the Isocort but DO

get

> testing done ASAP. And that stress you can't put an end to? It WILL

end

> your life as you know it if you are becoming Cushingoid from it!

>

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http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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Do the best you can for yourself. Find things that make you laugh it is

very therapeutic! take time for YOU. These are things you can do in any

situation. Ask for help if you need it.. welfare is NOT pleasant, but I

have gone there when needed, and it did help. And for anytime you need

someone to just chat with, email me...

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Thank you...laughter definately helps, that's why I have 4 dogs (two

of them basset hounds) they always make me laugh. Since starting

the armour and the isocort life has been much easier to deal with.

Stress has not been as bad either-when you don't do anything but

walk from your bed to your couch the " little things " tend to stack

up! Also, thinking you're crazy because you've been told you have

clinical depression, but anti-deps make you feel just as bad or

worse, being told it's anxiety disorder-and the meds just make you

less stressed about sleeping all day-dx'd with ADD and prescribed

Adderall...which makes you jumpy and stressed, lol...it's such a

relief to have found thyroid, and have to treatment actually make a

difference!! (Oh I left out PCOS diagnosis, endometriosis,

infertility, insulin resistance...the list goes on and on!)

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> Do the best you can for yourself. Find things that make you laugh

it is

> very therapeutic! take time for YOU. These are things you can do

in any

> situation. Ask for help if you need it.. welfare is NOT pleasant,

but I

> have gone there when needed, and it did help. And for anytime you

need

> someone to just chat with, email me...

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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Well over teh TOO many years I ahve had all those diagnosis and MORE

except PECOS. So you sure ain't alone! There for a few years i thought

my best place to be would be a nuthouse as I sure wasnt very sane.

Turns out I was saner than the docs that were " treating " me...

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LOL, I felt like I was headed to the nuthouse myself. Just a couple

of weeks before I found you guys I actually had my husband call an in-

paitent treatment center for depression. Thought since NOTHING was

working it must be a character flaw. Guess I can sell all

these " self-help " books now! :)

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> Well over teh TOO many years I ahve had all those diagnosis and MORE

> except PECOS. So you sure ain't alone! There for a few years i

thought

> my best place to be would be a nuthouse as I sure wasnt very sane.

> Turns out I was saner than the docs that were " treating " me...

>

> --

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> My Ebay Jewelry Store

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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Wanted to run this by you Val, see if it sounds possible, though I

know no one can really say until I get the cortisol testing done,

which hopefully I can do next month. I have symptoms of both low and

high cortisol and had read somewhere about low morning cortisol and

high midnight cortisol causing a specific type of insomnia, Delayed

Sleep Phase Syndrome which totally matched what mine was. My hours

were reversed so that my body wanted to sleep from about 4 am to 12

noon. I would stay up all night to try to correct the problem but

even after being awake all that time still couldn't get to sleep until

3-4am, or I would fall asleep at a normal hour and wake up 12-1am and

be up until after 4.

I found an artical on changing your circadian rhythm for insomnia that

has you push your sleeping schedule forward 3 hours a day every day

until you normalize your schedule, which I did, and it did help. The

armour made a difference too, and the isocort has really helped. Do

you think it's possible that I could be overproducing cortisol at

night and underproducing it during the day--explaining why I have

symptoms for both, and feel so much better now that I'm taking the

isocort? Just a thought.

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> Well over teh TOO many years I ahve had all those diagnosis and MORE

> except PECOS. So you sure ain't alone! There for a few years i

thought

> my best place to be would be a nuthouse as I sure wasnt very sane.

> Turns out I was saner than the docs that were " treating " me...

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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>> Do

you think it's possible that I could be overproducing cortisol at

night and under producing it during the day--explaining why I have

symptoms for both, and feel so much better now that I'm taking the

Isocort? <<

Yes this is very possible. In fact it is one of the stages of adrenal

fatigue cause by weak adrenals. What happens is you need the highest

cortisol in the mornings to get you awake and to fill your energy needs

for the day, so your pituitary puts out alot od ACTH to get that goign,

but with weakened adrenals thye can't put oput enough cortisol, so the

ACTH stays high just whipping your adrenals for more cortiosl, still

they can;t preduce enough, so ACTH stays abnormally hignh into the

evening hourse the the adrenals sputter out all they have which by THEN

is much mre than you need for that time of day, leaving you stressed and

wakeful and poor sleep that night. This cycle continues till the

adrenals completely burn out. Before they burn out if you take cortisol

(HC or Isocort) in the mornings the pituitary senses enough cortisol so

stops production of ACTH then your body can resume a normal rythym of

higher cortisol in the mornings and lower to almost none at night and

you will sleep better. This is why I always tell people to taper from

the highest dose of HC in the mornings to lower throughout the day. that

i your normal cortisol rythym.

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Makes perfect sense! Thank you (again!) BTW...I cleaned my living

room yesterday, all the way, walls, baseboards, ceiling fan,

dusted. Been a long, long time since I was able to do that. I

can't even say how grateful I am to be feeling better, thanks to you

guys.

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> >> Do

> you think it's possible that I could be overproducing cortisol at

> night and under producing it during the day--explaining why I have

> symptoms for both, and feel so much better now that I'm taking the

> Isocort? <<

>

> Yes this is very possible. In fact it is one of the stages of

adrenal

> fatigue cause by weak adrenals. What happens is you need the

highest

> cortisol in the mornings to get you awake and to fill your energy

needs

> for the day, so your pituitary puts out alot od ACTH to get that

goign,

> but with weakened adrenals thye can't put oput enough cortisol, so

the

> ACTH stays high just whipping your adrenals for more cortiosl,

still

> they can;t preduce enough, so ACTH stays abnormally hignh into the

> evening hourse the the adrenals sputter out all they have which

by THEN

> is much mre than you need for that time of day, leaving you

stressed and

> wakeful and poor sleep that night. This cycle continues till the

> adrenals completely burn out. Before they burn out if you take

cortisol

> (HC or Isocort) in the mornings the pituitary senses enough

cortisol so

> stops production of ACTH then your body can resume a normal rythym

of

> higher cortisol in the mornings and lower to almost none at night

and

> you will sleep better. This is why I always tell people to taper

from

> the highest dose of HC in the mornings to lower throughout the

day. that

> i your normal cortisol rythym.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

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