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Susie, there simply can't be another explanaition. The books may say something,

I experience another. It's like the carb questions. Many professional don't

agree with the experiences of diabetics. I'm 100% sure that there are such

side-effects of tablets as metformin. I have had diabetes years before it was

discovered, but this started exactly from the day I started with these tablets.

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> Norgaard wrote:

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> << I've experienced a change shortly after I started treatment with

> metformin in january 1999. >>

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> , the pills themselves would not cause erectile dysfunction. Get your

> HbA1c numbers for us - please. It is the diabetes that is the culprit here.

> We can all compare notes. I have a lot of info to help us from other groups

> I have been in.

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Norgaard writes:

<< this started exactly from the day I started with these tablets. >>

It's certainly possible, . I just have never heard it mentioned. Have

you read all the medication information about it at http://www.rxlist.com?

But there is the phenomenon of performance anxiety as well. It is human

nature to change a routine (in this case, beginning a new medication),

experience some other symptom, and assume it's the new pill that is the

cause. Tension and worry that you will continue to experience problems can

actually cause continuing problems too.

, did I miss your post about your HbA1c reading? I still haven't seen

it.

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, I have read hundreds of post on the news groups over the years about

ED (Erection Deficiency) and diabetes. Many now believe that is not the

pill that causes the ED but the lower BGs caused by the pill. Many swear

that a glass of juice on the bedside table works wonders.

It is worth a try.

Winston

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> > Norgaard wrote:

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> > << I've experienced a change shortly after I started treatment with

> > metformin in january 1999. >>

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> > , the pills themselves would not cause erectile dysfunction. Get

your

> > HbA1c numbers for us - please. It is the diabetes that is the culprit

here.

> > We can all compare notes. I have a lot of info to help us from other

groups

> > I have been in.

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> > Susie

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Thank you for your response Winston. As a diab. II I heard so often that it's

only diab I's that has the problem with low bg. But since I started the tratment

with the tablets I've often felt dizzy and almost every time, when I then

measure the bg it is low. So it may be the tablets that are causing both the

dizzines and etc.. - Thank you! We learn a lot on this list.

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> , I have read hundreds of post on the news groups over the years about

> ED (Erection Deficiency) and diabetes. Many now believe that is not the

> pill that causes the ED but the lower BGs caused by the pill. Many swear

> that a glass of juice on the bedside table works wonders.

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> It is worth a try.

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In a message dated 8/6/1999 9:26:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dorcutt@...

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<< Lemme see if I got this right: if I stick with eating right, and do

regular exercise, I'll have all the great sex I want??? And, about that

carrot.... naw, forget that one.

-- >>

I'll never have great sex. I'm married.

Jim

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Norgaard writes:

<< ... But since I started the tratment with the tablets I've often felt

dizzy and almost every time, when I then measure the bg it is low. >>

, you are on Metformin?

Susie

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To Norgaard -- I also meant to inquire if you are able to check your

blood pressure regularly. Low blood pressure can cause erectile dysfunction,

for the obvious reason.

Susie

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> <<< I'm 100% sure that there are such side-effects of tablets as metformin. I

have had diabetes years before it was discovered, but this started exactly from

the day I started with these tablets.>>>

It is also a side-effect of certain blood pressure meds...like Vasotec.

I remember a warning from my doctor years ago when I first started taking this.

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Norgaard wrote:

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> Yes, I've experienced a change shortly after I started treatment with

metformin in january 1999. As my bg has been well regulated 99% of the time

since then, I stongly feel that this feeling of partly of partly impotence must

come from these tablets. Therefore I think that regulating the bg with diet

instead of tablets (in my instance metformin - I don't know what impact other

types of tablets have) can be a solution to the problem.

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I think you'll find that as your bg continues to be under control, that

any impotence problems should lessen. I've been on metformin (2200mg)

for a long time, and have never been affected by the medication, which

is to say, I've never had the problem. In fact, this is the first I've

seen someone report that they feel there is a problem in that " area "

related to taking metformin.

Anyway, from what I've read, you're doing much better! Congratulations

on getting that toe problem under control also. That was a long time

problem for you. Now, don't forget to pass on the results of that HbA1c

test that you had done.

Dave

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> > Norgaard writes:

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> > << Tablets themselves can also cause total or partial impotence ... >>

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> > , I always thought high glucose was the culprit. Can you tell us more

> > about this?

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OtterCritter wrote:

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> Jim writes:

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> << This is true. But who thinks it's disgusting to see Bob Dole talking

> about

> it on TV commercials? >>

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> I am thrilled that Bob Dole has taken such a brave stand. But Jim? I never

> quit ... I never give in ... and you don't either. " Just okay " is not good

> enough for me. I go for excellence! I don't want any of us in this wonderful

> group to be denied life's full pleasures (and NO - that does NOT mean you

> can eat CARBS ... hahahaha).

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> We don't necessarily have to resign ourselves to our present condition. I am

> *amazed* at my improvement in quality of life. Diabetes seems like a lot of

> sticks ... beat us into behaving ... I am offering the " carrot " of great sex

> if y'all will just stick with eating right and regular exercise.

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> Susie

Lemme see if I got this right: if I stick with eating right, and do

regular exercise, I'll have all the great sex I want??? And, about that

carrot.... naw, forget that one.

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Dave -- August 7, 1999

dorcutt@...

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I don't have a solution but I admire the problem.

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Yes, Susie, I'm on metformin. The tablets are called Orabet (but that's perhaps

the Danish trademark).

Regarding blood pressure It's a little bit to high, wherefore I am being treated

for that as well now. But

it's only because I suffers from diabetes. Otherwise I don't think that they

would have ordained those other tablets.

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> Norgaard writes:

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> << ... But since I started the tratment with the tablets I've often felt

> dizzy and almost every time, when I then measure the bg it is low. >>

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> , you are on Metformin?

>

> Susie

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That's interesting. I'm also taking blood pressure meds. However it's just

recently I started taking them.

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> > <<< I'm 100% sure that there are such side-effects of tablets as metformin.

I have had diabetes years before it was discovered, but this started exactly

from the day I started with these tablets.>>>

>

> It is also a side-effect of certain blood pressure meds...like Vasotec.

>

> I remember a warning from my doctor years ago when I first started taking

this.

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> In a message dated 8/6/1999 9:26:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dorcutt@...

> writes:

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> << Lemme see if I got this right: if I stick with eating right, and do

> regular exercise, I'll have all the great sex I want??? And, about that

> carrot.... naw, forget that one.

>

> -- >>

>

> I'll never have great sex. I'm married.

>

> Jim

Why Reverend... ;) Pshaw.. I am also, but my memories will never fail

me.

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, it's interesting that the metformin makes you feel dizzy and low ...

Everything I've read says there's very little risk of this with metformin;

however sulfonureas are well known to cause hypos. Just goes to prove --

YMMV! Vicki

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In a message dated 99-08-06 09:26:10 EDT, you write:

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Lemme see if I got this right: if I stick with eating right, and do

regular exercise, I'll have all the great sex I want??? And, about that

carrot.... naw, forget that one.

>>

:-) Vicki

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Hi Vicky,

I don't think my system is working as it should. Something is certainly out of

balance, but that's the case with all of us, more or less. I don't know the

reason for these low bg's. They may be related to something else. But I don't

think so much about it. I think that if a person wants to be sick, and in

his/her thoughts are thinking about illness all the time, then illness will

come? - I would certainly like to know the reason to this. But again, I don't

think that much about it - just try to get something good out of every day. I

know that it's not normal that people on metformin get low bg's. I've read that.

It's difficult to find out what's causing the problem. Have a nice day :)

Take care

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> , it's interesting that the metformin makes you feel dizzy and low ...

> Everything I've read says there's very little risk of this with metformin;

> however sulfonureas are well known to cause hypos. Just goes to prove --

> YMMV! Vicki

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Norgaard wrote:

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> Hi Vicky,

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> I don't think my system is working as it should. Something is certainly out of

balance, but that's the case with all of us, more or less. I don't know the

reason for these low bg's. They may be related to something else. But I don't

think so much about it.. I think that if a person wants to be sick, and in

his/her thoughts are thinking about illness all the time, then illness will

come? - I would certainly like to know the reason to this. But again, I don't

think that much about it - just try to get something good out of every day. I

know that it's not normal that people on metformin get low bg's. I've read that.

It's difficult to find out what's causing the problem. Have a nice day :)

>

> Take care

>

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I've been on 2200mg metformin for over a year now. It's not, as a rule,

supposed to give you lows, but other factors can be involved which will

cause it. I've had 3 verifiable lows (which were'nt really all that low)

and I think I know what caused them. They were 61, 64, and 67. Not on

the same day either. I believe it was because I didn't pay attention to

eating and was doing some heavy manual labor (not my style) tarring our

new foundation and digging holes for cement pilings. I was possibly not

getting enough liquid either. Since I've made sure to eat and drink when

I should I have not had any lows. I even went two days without eating

since (liquid only) for a test, and only got down in the 80's, so it

probably was the liquid that I was lacking that caused it. Of course,

our bodies are all different. I have an occasional beer, and that has

not caused any problems either.

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> > From: WHIMSY2@...

> >

> > , it's interesting that the metformin makes you feel dizzy and low ...

> > Everything I've read says there's very little risk of this with metformin;

> > however sulfonureas are well known to cause hypos. Just goes to prove --

> > YMMV! Vicki

>

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metformin made my liver test be high.

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>From: WHIMSY2@...

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>, it's interesting that the metformin makes you feel dizzy and low ...

>Everything I've read says there's very little risk of this with metformin;

>however sulfonureas are well known to cause hypos. Just goes to prove --

>YMMV! Vicki

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RevJSutter@... wrote:

> << Lemme see if I got this right: if I stick with eating right, and do

> regular exercise, I'll have all the great sex I want??? And, about that

> carrot.... naw, forget that one. -- >>

>

> I'll never have great sex. I'm married.

Do they rule each other out? Or is this because I've only been married

for 1½ years??

Sune

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