RE: Before I forget...need advice

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How about implementing a little chart that hangs in the bathroom with PECS

of the whole process. I did that for when he was learning and for

about a year afterward too. I had a picture of the door being shut, then the

toilet with lid up, then pull pants up, then wash hands, dry hands...that

worked pretty well but I did have to put an actual picture of going to the

bathroom for one of the steps...

kandie

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I don't remember exactly how it was worded, but potty training was

part of Chris's IEP at one time. I think if I was going to put

something in writing I would want them to give her the least

assistance she needs to be successful....But I don't really have a

good way to say that. Remind her to go, remind her of all the steps

if necessary, but not necessarily be in the stall with her if she

doesn't need that.

That's a tough one Penny. I don't know how I would want to word

that. Hmmm. Think I'd rather talk to them.

Good luck.

[Guest guest]

I was thinking that this would make me uncofortable too, but then Kep's

aides help him everyday! I think it was the thought of a daughter.

Terrible that the world works that way, but I would be more concerned. I'm

not sure how you should word it, but I agree with , that maybe the

least assistance is the best.

Of course, if you are extremely uncomfortable with it, then go with your gut

and just keep working with her at home. You know best.

Amy H

Kepler 4 ASD and Bethany 6 NT

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[Guest guest]

> How about implementing a little chart that hangs in the bathroom with PECS

> of the whole process. I did that for when he was learning and for

> about a year afterward too. I had a picture of the door being shut, then the

> toilet with lid up, then pull pants up, then wash hands, dry hands...that

> worked pretty well but I did have to put an actual picture of going to the

> bathroom for one of the steps...

We had this, too! Of course, we forgot one for 'flush', so that's a battle

we're still fighting a year later...

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

Penny, I'm not entirely clear on what 'leaves the door wide open' means...does

it mean it leaves it open for anyone to go in with her, or does it mean that it

leaves it open for them to just continue doing for her?

Either way, my suggestion is to update the IEP with specifics including the

NAMES of the people allowed in the washroom with her when she's undressed, as

well as an alternate in the case that the aide is away sick, and specifically

what she should be impelled to do on her own with no physical prompting. MAke

sure that these are part of your 'written permission'.

I know you said you're worried about wording it...I would make it extremely

explicit. After all, if people are going to be with your naked daughter, you

MUST have control over the situation.

I hope you do decide to sign, though. She's at an age now where the other kids

are totally going to notice if she has an accident at school, and if she decided

to hold onto her pee all day she'd be in agony...

Good luck, whatever you decide!

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

Penny, I think I would specify that IF Jacqui NEEDS help in the restroom,

there are to be two people there. If she doesn't need help they are simply

to gently encourage her to go. Just write down exactly what youy want them

to do. It protects everyone involved.

JMO, having no practical experience here!

-Sara.

wife to Matt

SAHM to nurslings

Mikey, 9/14/99, Autism, and

Gabe, born at home 5/17/01, GERD

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[Guest guest]

Penny,

If the concern is about her being abused, I don't see it as leaving the door

wide open. After all, you're written permission is for them to assist her

in the toileting, not to touch her inappropriately.

Sue

Before I forget...need advice

> Does it ever end? No, it does not. So forgive me if I have to write

> these things down before I forget.

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> Question:

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> One of the aides at school has been helping Jacqui with attempting to

> use the bathroom. We agreed that she would keep doing this as well

> as the OT (both female).

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> In Jacqui's communication book on Friday, it stated that they would

> like my permission in writing to continue doing this (I'm assuming

> for the obvious reasons that another person is present while jacqui's

> pants/short and undies are down).

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> I'm not sure I want to give written permission for this. I'm

> wondering if I should just keep working with Jacqui and have them

> just " suggest " that she use the bathroom but not actually accompany

> her. I trust them, but I think it leaves the door wide open, so to

> speak. Would any of you do this? And how would you word it?

>

> Thanks...I know...one more thing...

> Penny

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the notes on the potty issue!

Jacqui is fully capable of using the bathroom by herself. She is

fully potty trained. When she has accidents, they are uncontrolled.

The problem lies in her using any other toilet besides the ones at

home. She needs to be convinced that it is safe. And,well, no one

will convince her of THAT until she's ready.

So, the assistance she needs, really is just convincing. Going thru

the motions until she feels comfortable going.

I wrote a letter tonite to the school explaining exactly what we want

and what permissions will be given to whom and how they are to go

about it. That should make all of us feel more comfortable.

Penny - Mom to Jacqui, who when we left our house in NH, to move to

Nevada, pee'd in our OLD house before we left and didn't use a

bathroom again until 15 hours later when we arrived at our Hotel in

NV.

ugh.