Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 /Celine Kossart Mr. Edd wrote... >For breakfast try eggs, bacon or sausage or kippers, or an omelet. And /Celine Kossart wrote: << Every day?! Sounds like a recipie for hi cholesterol, heart attack and/or stroke. Am I missing soemthing here? >> See what I mean, kiddies? It's a never-ending struggle to shake people's belief system loose from the fat-phobic stranglehold. First, there is little if any evidence that *eating* cholesterol gives one high cholesterol. It is rather our genetics and perhaps our temperament which cause high cholesterol. But it is primarily the entire Syndrome X type 2 diabetes that causes elevated cholesterol, along with elevated blood pressure, weight gain, fluid retention, etc. And the American Heart Association, after having its researchers survey all recent test results, has determined that the ultra-low-fat diets are not recommended, for diabetics or non-diabetics. Researchers are rethinking their advice. Some recommendations were given, based on good hunches - but those hunches are appearing more and more not to have a scientific foundation. There are only three things to eat: protein, fats and carbohydrates. Lowering fat intake probably means lowering protein intake as well (meat). That means higher carbohydrate intake. But we are diabetics. The hallmark of our disease is that we are not able to process carbohydrates properly. If we make our diabetes worse by eating lots of carbohydrates, the likely outcome is higher cholesterol, higher blood pressure, and a whole panoply (big word for a trucker, eh?) of complications that will eventually kill us prematurely. On the other hand, if we change our eating habits to improve our diabetes, these other numbers tend to normalize within months - along with an enhanced sense of welbeing and weight loss. I know it is difficult to accept what I am saying. It took me a very long time myself to understand what was happening. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 Susie, You have very interesting words to say on the whole Diabetics thing .... the whole thing is new to me as I have just been told I have type 11. Tell me what you ate today/I need help & then some. Breakfast right thru please. I live in North London & I shit scared at the moment. OtterCritter@... wrote: > From: OtterCritter@... > > /Celine Kossart > > Mr. Edd wrote... > > >For breakfast try eggs, bacon or sausage or kippers, or an omelet. > > And /Celine Kossart wrote: > > << Every day?! Sounds like a recipie for hi cholesterol, heart attack > and/or stroke. Am I missing soemthing here? >> > > See what I mean, kiddies? It's a never-ending struggle to shake people's > belief system loose from the fat-phobic stranglehold. First, there is little > if any evidence that *eating* cholesterol gives one high cholesterol. It is > rather our genetics and perhaps our temperament which cause high > cholesterol. But it is primarily the entire Syndrome X type 2 diabetes that > causes elevated cholesterol, along with elevated blood pressure, weight > gain, fluid retention, etc. And the American Heart Association, after having > its researchers survey all recent test results, has determined that the > ultra-low-fat diets are not recommended, for diabetics or non-diabetics. > Researchers are rethinking their advice. Some recommendations were given, > based on good hunches - but those hunches are appearing more and more not to > have a scientific foundation. > > There are only three things to eat: protein, fats and carbohydrates. > Lowering fat intake probably means lowering protein intake as well (meat). > That means higher carbohydrate intake. But we are diabetics. The hallmark of > our disease is that we are not able to process carbohydrates properly. If we > make our diabetes worse by eating lots of carbohydrates, the likely outcome > is higher cholesterol, higher blood pressure, and a whole panoply (big word > for a trucker, eh?) of complications that will eventually kill us > prematurely. On the other hand, if we change our eating habits to improve > our diabetes, these other numbers tend to normalize within months - along > with an enhanced sense of welbeing and weight loss. > > I know it is difficult to accept what I am saying. It took me a very > long time myself to understand what was happening. > > Susie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. > http://www.onelist.com > Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 This is something I knew about myself a long time ago. I had severe low blood sugar problems (what I like to think of as the pre-diabetic sugar curve) I went on atkins in the seventies and stayed on it several years. I felt great and my weight was around 120 lbs and I wore a size 5 after my first baby. I was also very active as I was an avid dancer and went out when ever I could. Then I married, a meat and bread and potatoes type guy who ate and ate and never gained an ounce. I was the meat and vegies and salad. But I love potatoes and I love fresh bread and I am a VERY GOOD Cook and loved gormet cooking. As I love to cook I also love to eat and in trying to feed him what he wanted I found the lbs going on and going on. Then two more kids later and 150 lbs later I am tired of being FAT and I start swimming and water aerobics and loose down to 175 lbs over two years. I am so proud of myself and felling really good and bang guess what I am diabetic. ADA Diet and 35 lbs later I got on these lists and guess what? Throw away the ADA diet and all its carbs, dust off that original copy of Atkins and His First cookbook and get started (Bernsteins book started my this direction) and now I am at 192 this morning. Sunday morning I blew it and ate 3 Cadbury Eggs and spent a whole day sick as a dog. Today I am making cheesecake with splenda and back low carbing it. I am determined to weigh in at 135 again. I do exercise just not like I used to when I was younger. But I am slowly working up the stamina. I have said this before nothing works like success. Oh yes BG's had to keep them under 200 on ADA averaging 120 on low carb. Ann S Re: Digest Number 87 > From: OtterCritter@... > > /Celine Kossart > > Mr. Edd wrote... > > >For breakfast try eggs, bacon or sausage or kippers, or an omelet. > > And /Celine Kossart wrote: > > << Every day?! Sounds like a recipie for hi cholesterol, heart attack > and/or stroke. Am I missing soemthing here? >> > > See what I mean, kiddies? It's a never-ending struggle to shake people's > belief system loose from the fat-phobic stranglehold. First, there is little > if any evidence that *eating* cholesterol gives one high cholesterol. It is > rather our genetics and perhaps our temperament which cause high > cholesterol. But it is primarily the entire Syndrome X type 2 diabetes that > causes elevated cholesterol, along with elevated blood pressure, weight > gain, fluid retention, etc. And the American Heart Association, after having > its researchers survey all recent test results, has determined that the > ultra-low-fat diets are not recommended, for diabetics or non-diabetics. > Researchers are rethinking their advice. Some recommendations were given, > based on good hunches - but those hunches are appearing more and more not to > have a scientific foundation. > > There are only three things to eat: protein, fats and carbohydrates. > Lowering fat intake probably means lowering protein intake as well (meat). > That means higher carbohydrate intake. But we are diabetics. The hallmark of > our disease is that we are not able to process carbohydrates properly. If we > make our diabetes worse by eating lots of carbohydrates, the likely outcome > is higher cholesterol, higher blood pressure, and a whole panoply (big word > for a trucker, eh?) of complications that will eventually kill us > prematurely. On the other hand, if we change our eating habits to improve > our diabetes, these other numbers tend to normalize within months - along > with an enhanced sense of welbeing and weight loss. > > I know it is difficult to accept what I am saying. It took me a very > long time myself to understand what was happening. > > Susie > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. > http://www.onelist.com > Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 In a message dated 99-04-05 17:30:15 EDT, you write: << do you happen to know the publisher of Dr Bernstein Diabetes Solution >> You can get it on the web from amazon.com. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 Thanks a lot .... a really great help or what ! ..... nice one ... I live in London ... do you happen to know the publisher of Dr Bernstein Diabetes Solution ??? Your the best ... & a great help ! Dave xx OtterCritter@... wrote: > From: OtterCritter@... > > Kirby writes: > > << You have very interesting words to say on the whole Diabetics thing .... > the whole thing is new to me as I have just been told I have type 11. Tell > me what you ate today/I need help & then some. Breakfast right thru please > ... >> > > I think buying at least of several paperbacks out would be helpful to you so > that you can do your own study and form your own conclusions. There are many > booksellers online, as well as your local book store. Here are some titles > that deal with lowering carbohydrate intake: " Protein Power " by the Drs. > Eades; " Entering the Zone " and " Mastering the Zone " by Dr. Barry Sears; " Dr. > Atkins' New Diet Revolution " ; " Sugar Busters " (4 authors, including 3 New > Orleans physicians); " NeanderThin " by Ray Audette. There are many more - and > there are more books out by the above authors. Also, you can do a web search > using the term " low carb " or " low carbohydrate " . Amazon.com and & > Noble are the very large booksellers online, but there are many more. My > favorite book for dealing with all aspects of both type 1 and type 2 > diabetes is " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution. " I can't stick to his > extremely low-carbohydrate way of eating, but value his insights very much. > He has been type 1 for 50 years, and has managed through diet to reverse > many severe longterm diabetes complications. > > Relax, kiddo! This disease is not so bad after all - as long as you don't > shrug it off. It is very possible to ignore this disease and let it do its > damage. But if we stay on top of it, through only modest changes in > lifestyle - really, we can live pretty normal and active and healthy lives. > > Susie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? > http://www.onelist.com > Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 Dave Kirby writes: << ... I live in London ... do you happen to know the publisher of Dr Bernstein Diabetes Solution ??? >> Dr. K. Bernstein. His book is available through Amazon, & Noble, and many other outlets. I heard it is even out in paperback now. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 , Read Dr. Atkins and then see if you are not missing something. Mr. Edd Take good care of the kid in you. Re: Digest Number 87 > > >Mr. Edd wrote... > >>For breakfast try eggs, bacon or sausage or kippers, or an omelet. > >Every day?! Sounds like a recipie for hi cholesterol, heart attack and/or >stroke. Am I missing soemthing here? > > > >-In The Rapid Exchange of Information, Grammar, Spelling & Proper Sentence >Structure Are Low On My Priority List.- PK > >PAUL KOSSART Peru, IL USA >NMRA, LDSIG, OPSIG, BRHS, TP & W-HS >LaSalle & Bureau County Model R.R. Club >Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Model R.R. (HO-1969) > " Serving Agriculture & Industry In The Illiniwek River Valley Since 1904. " > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Come check out our brand new web site! >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: Making the Internet intimate > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 1999 Report Share Posted April 6, 1999 the publisher is Little Brown. You could probably order the book over the net at amazon.com or barnsand noble.com Mr. Edd Re: Digest Number 87 > > >Thanks a lot .... a really great help or what ! ..... nice one ... I live in >London ... do you happen to know the publisher of Dr Bernstein Diabetes Solution >??? > >Your the best ... & a great help ! > >Dave xx > >OtterCritter@... wrote: > >> From: OtterCritter@... >> >> Kirby writes: >> >> << You have very interesting words to say on the whole Diabetics thing ..... >> the whole thing is new to me as I have just been told I have type 11. Tell >> me what you ate today/I need help & then some. Breakfast right thru please >> ... >> >> >> I think buying at least of several paperbacks out would be helpful to you so >> that you can do your own study and form your own conclusions. There are many >> booksellers online, as well as your local book store. Here are some titles >> that deal with lowering carbohydrate intake: " Protein Power " by the Drs. >> Eades; " Entering the Zone " and " Mastering the Zone " by Dr. Barry Sears; " Dr. >> Atkins' New Diet Revolution " ; " Sugar Busters " (4 authors, including 3 New >> Orleans physicians); " NeanderThin " by Ray Audette. There are many more - and >> there are more books out by the above authors. Also, you can do a web search >> using the term " low carb " or " low carbohydrate " . Amazon.com and & >> Noble are the very large booksellers online, but there are many more. My >> favorite book for dealing with all aspects of both type 1 and type 2 >> diabetes is " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution. " I can't stick to his >> extremely low-carbohydrate way of eating, but value his insights very much. >> He has been type 1 for 50 years, and has managed through diet to reverse >> many severe longterm diabetes complications. >> >> Relax, kiddo! This disease is not so bad after all - as long as you don't >> shrug it off. It is very possible to ignore this disease and let it do its >> damage. But if we stay on top of it, through only modest changes in >> lifestyle - really, we can live pretty normal and active and healthy lives. >> >> Susie >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? >> http://www.onelist.com >> Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site! >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: ing connections and information exchange > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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