Re: Initiation

[Guest guest]

Hello Bil,

I'm also sad to hear that you're on this list now. Not good being diagnozed with

diabetes! But you can learn to live with it. What it's all about is controlling

that blood sugar (bg) to avoid future complications that can be serious.

Therefore all the talk about diet is really serious for us. We can't just keep

on eating junk food and chocolate unlimited without consequences. My doctor told

me that, if a diabetics is overweight, it is an important thing to try and loose

the overweight, because some of the complications can be caused by that. For

instance, I have some problems with my eyes. My doctor says that if I loose

weight, then these symptoms will probably disappear.

Diabetes is a serious disease because it can lead to those complications, but it

isn't the end of life! You just has to live more healthy from now on. Keep up

the mood and stick to this and other lists on diabetes. They are the primary

source of support as you will soon discover. You are not alone. Send your

questions, worries, advices etc. to the list. Share your experience and listen

to those that have dealt with the disease for many years. Have a great day and

God bless!

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Hi Guy! Sorry to see you on this list, but glad we can be of service! Stay

tuned for more info! Just ask and you shall receive...seek and you shall

find...knock and the door will be opened to you! That's what I hope we can

do here! Read the threads that interest you and you will learn a lot! I

can't begin to describe the value of these lists to me. Write anytime!

*hugs* Toni

Illinois Guy wrote:

> From: areacode618MSW@... (Illinois Guy)

>

> I just found out I'm diabetic this week. I'm scared and confused about

> all of this diet stuff. HELP!

>

> Bil

>

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Bill & Toni,

Thanks for the warm welcome!!!

I'm hearing about the ADA Exchange diet and the Atkins diet and calories

and carbs and sweeteners and urine tests and blood tests and Type I and

Type II and insulin and AAAAAACK!!!!!!

The doc " suggested " a 2200 calorie ADA diet for me. My glucose test was

at 159 for one test and 137 for another so the doc feels I can tame the

diabetic beast with diet and exercise. He doesn't know me very well.

I'm 35, 5'11 " , 250 pounds, and I love food. I cannot cook so most of

what I eat is frozen, canned, or drive thru. I REALLY like biscuits &

gravy and pizza and lasagna and buritos and cheese and chocolate and all

of those things I know I'll have to give up now.

I don't know what I'm going to do.

Bil

There's No Point In Being Grown Up If You Can't Be Childish Sometimes. -

- - The Doctor

[Guest guest]

It doesn't cost much more to go to somewhere and have a cheap steak or

grilled chicken and get rid of the bread. I was like you when I was first

diagnosed and could control with meds and eating my high carb fast foods but

following ADA now three years later I must low carb it to get any control.

Ann S

Re: Initiation

> Bill & Toni,

>

> Thanks for the warm welcome!!!

>

> I'm hearing about the ADA Exchange diet and the Atkins diet and calories

> and carbs and sweeteners and urine tests and blood tests and Type I and

> Type II and insulin and AAAAAACK!!!!!!

>

> The doc " suggested " a 2200 calorie ADA diet for me. My glucose test was

> at 159 for one test and 137 for another so the doc feels I can tame the

> diabetic beast with diet and exercise. He doesn't know me very well.

>

> I'm 35, 5'11 " , 250 pounds, and I love food. I cannot cook so most of

> what I eat is frozen, canned, or drive thru. I REALLY like biscuits &

> gravy and pizza and lasagna and buritos and cheese and chocolate and all

> of those things I know I'll have to give up now.

>

> I don't know what I'm going to do.

>

> Bil

>

> There's No Point In Being Grown Up If You Can't Be Childish Sometimes. -

> - - The Doctor

>

>

[Guest guest]

The Illinois guy writes:

<< I just found out I'm diabetic this week. I'm scared and confused about

all of this diet stuff. HELP! >>

Are you type 1 or type 1? If you are an adult type 2, odds are that you need

to lose weight and exercise more. The main thing I have found which improved

my diabetes so much that I don't need to take medicine is diet. I keep my

carbohydrate intake beneath 100 grams a day (if possible - sometimes I can't

seem to manage it when I'm on the road). What has your doctor told you? Are

you seeing a dietitian? Many dietitians and doctors think type 2 diabetes is

just a " disease " of overeating and indolence, but it's more complicated than

that. The diabetes, in fact, is probably the chcken - not the egg. It

prevents us from turning much of the food we eat into energy; instead, it

converts it to body fat, and we end up becoming obese and feeling too

listless to exercise. And then when we are finally diagnosed (years too

late, in many cases), we are handed a starvation diet and told to exercise a

lot ... when we can barely drag ourselves around already. That was my

experience ... the dietitians lecturing me about cutting back on the

desserts and fats, when I was already eating the standard American low-fat

" healthy diet " of beans, rice, whole-grain breads and pasta, with only a

hint of meat. It was that diet that got me into serious trouble. There are

many books and many web sites that discuss various eating styles and how

they impact your diabetes.

Susie

[Guest guest]

The Illinois guy writes:

<< ... . I cannot cook so most of what I eat is frozen, canned, or drive

thru. I REALLY like biscuits & gravy and pizza and lasagna and buritos and

cheese and chocolate and all of those things I know I'll have to give up now

.... >>

At the grocery stores you can find big bags of salad fixings. Along with

those, buy cucumbers, tomatoes, chick peas, green onions, olives, or

anything else you like in your salads. Buy malt vinegar and use that with a

little oil and seasonings - or use the Good Seasons packaged dressings, but

use more of the water and malt vinegar and less of the oil. Extra-virgin

olive oil is the best, but I find the flavor a bit heavy. There is an oil

called " Smart Balance, " by Smart Beat. It was patented by researchers at

Brandeis University to have a good fatty acid ratio.

There is not much to cooking, if you don't want it to be complicated. You

can nuke most stuff in a microwave or just heat it on the stove or in the

oven. Read the nutrition labels on everything you buy, trying to keep the

carbohydrate level as low as possible. An item that works well is the frozen

Oriental stir-fry vegetables (PictSweet or Green Giant). You can mix these

with strips of beef or chicken (also sold in boxes in the frozen section -

Tyson makes some - or you can cut up your own). Sometimes I do it stir-fry

and sometimes I add water and have it more like a hearty soup.

Use seasonings a lot to jazz up your eating experience. I like Krazy Mixed

Up Salt and cajun seasoning and coumin and dill. Snack items could include

dill pickles, olives, nuts, guacamole. Instead of dipping chips or Doritos,

buy bags of already-prepared frozen veggies ... baby carrots, broccoli,

cauliflower and celery. Broccoli and cauliflower are the two healthiest

veggies for a type 2, with green beans close behind. Celery, of course, is

good. It's nearly all fiber. Eat vegetables rather than breads, rice and

potatoes. Eat lean meat rather than vegetables. I trim off all visible fat

from meat, and I nuke my ham in the microwave, wrapped in paper towels, to

get rid of excess fat. If I cook hamburger, I drain it in a colander a long

time to get rid of extra fat.

Well, this is just one approach, just to give you something to " chew on. "

hahahahaha

Susie

[Guest guest]

Hey, Bil, you're going to do just fine. It's true that most of the foods you

love are bad for your bod but there are so many ways to control diabetes that

you may find that with diet, medication and close monitoring you may be

eventually able to sneak SMALL BITS of your favorite foods back in. This is

what happened to me. I've learned to be happy with one chocolate wafer at the

end of a meal -- it sure is better than none at all!

The first thing to do is see your doctor. I assume you've done this and he

probably put you on some medicatios. If he didn't tell you to get a BG

monitor, get one anyway. Check your BGs frequently, before meals and 2-1/2

hours after eating. Keep close track of what you eat and pretty soon you'll

learn what works for you. And keep reading this list. You'll find lots of

suggestions, support and encouragement.

Vicki

[Guest guest]

> The Illinois guy writes:

>

> << I just found out I'm diabetic this week. I'm scared and confused about

> all of this diet stuff. HELP! >>

Then Susie wrote:

>

> Are you type 1 or type 1?

<snip>

> Susie

Not leaving much room for error, are you? <g>

- Bob N.

[Guest guest]

Not a Texan... just a big ol' country boy.

Please do send me the menus. Any input is good at this point. I

already planned on taking the diet down to 2000 calories myself. I

think he gave me the 2200 cal diet because he has seen me eat in the

hospital cafeteria. :-) I enjoy a good sized meal... too much.

Congrats on the gold award!!! Sounds like the kids (and you) did

great!!!

Bil

There's No Point In Being Grown Up If You Can't Be Childish Sometimes. -

- - The Doctor

[Guest guest]

Granger wrote:

>

>

>

> Bil,

>

> Didn't mean to make my diet sound artificially bleak... with that salad

business.. I

> have a little microwave Swanson breakfast of eggs, potato & sausage, lunch is

a big

> salad (lettuce, egg, bacon bits, onions, green pepper, radishes, celery,

tomato &

> cucumber) and meat (usually chicken in soup), dinner is a hamburger, steak or

chicken

> breast with green beans, or beets or a baked potato (about once a week). I

snack on

> sugar free chocolate Jello pudding (which I'd probably eat even if I wasn't

type 2),

> sugar free Jello, No sugar added Klondike bars (which I KNOW I'd eat even

if...), and

> the ever present almonds..

You know, my diet had been pretty bland, diabetes being what it is.. and

I saw someone mention these Klondike bars a while ago. I never would

have thought of them, but I saw them in the market and got them.. GREAT

STUFF!

I enjoy the same pudding and jello each night, with a tad of Cool Whip

of course. I also tried the Edy's sugar free ice cream. Not bad at all.

I guess there's hope.

>

> I did between 5-7 finger stick BG tests a day to help get a bead on my meals..

I

> record weight, AM & PM blood pressure (from a little Omron self tester), pulse

and all

> BG readings on an Excel spreadsheet..and take that to the doctor when I go.. I

cut me

> back from 5-7 sticks a day to 5 a week based on a good range of readings.

>

> I don't miss the high test Pepsi's as much as I thought I would. I've had

about a

> third of one, 'bout a month ago and it just tasted to sugary.. The only diet

drink I

> like is sugar free Vernor's ginger ale but I drink 2 quarts of Luzianne

caffeine free

> ice tea a day.

Do you sweeten the ice tea? Haven't seen Luzianne around here.

--

Dave -- April 5, 1999

t2 8/98 Glucophage

A hunch is creativity trying to tell you something.

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[Guest guest]

> <<<, No sugar added Klondike bars (which I KNOW I'd eat even if...), and

> > the ever present almonds..>>>

>

> <<You know, my diet had been pretty bland, diabetes being what it is.. and

> I saw someone mention these Klondike bars a while ago. I never would

> have thought of them, but I saw them in the market and got them.. GREAT

> STUFF!

> I enjoy the same pudding and jello each night, with a tad of Cool Whip

> of course. I also tried the Edy's sugar free ice cream. Not bad at all.

> I guess there's hope.>>

Yep, the Klondike bars are habit forming..

>

>

> >

> ><<< The only diet drink I like is sugar free Vernor's ginger ale but I drink

2 quarts of

> Luzianne caffeine free

> > ice tea a day.>>>

>

> <<Do you sweeten the ice tea? Haven't seen Luzianne around here.>>

Dave,

No, I just add a little Real Lemon juice...

[Guest guest]

& Judy Granger wrote:

>

>

>

> > <<<, No sugar added Klondike bars (which I KNOW I'd eat even if...), and

> > > the ever present almonds..>>>

> >

> > <<You know, my diet had been pretty bland, diabetes being what it is.. and

> > I saw someone mention these Klondike bars a while ago. I never would

> > have thought of them, but I saw them in the market and got them.. GREAT

> > STUFF!

> > I enjoy the same pudding and jello each night, with a tad of Cool Whip

> > of course. I also tried the Edy's sugar free ice cream. Not bad at all.

> > I guess there's hope.>>

>

> Yep, the Klondike bars are habit forming..

>

> >

> >

> > >

> > ><<< The only diet drink I like is sugar free Vernor's ginger ale but I

drink 2 quarts of

> > Luzianne caffeine free

> > > ice tea a day.>>>

> >

> > <<Do you sweeten the ice tea? Haven't seen Luzianne around here.>>

>

> Dave,

>

> No, I just add a little Real Lemon juice...

Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for that tea. I picked up some almonds

also; both plain, and a can of Blue Diamond Smokehouse almonds..

Question.. How does one not eat more than the 3 tbs alloted serving

size/

Dave

[Guest guest]

Dave Orcutt writes:

<< ... Klondike bars ... I saw them in the market and got them.. GREAT

STUFF! I enjoy the same pudding and jello each night, with a tad of Cool

Whip of course. I also tried the Edy's sugar free ice cream ... Do you

sweeten the ice tea?

Dave -- April 5, 1999

t2 8/98 Glucophage >>

Dave, I think that sweet tooth may get you into trouble. The problem we

find is that even if we are using artificial sweetener, the constant sweet

taste seems to set up a craving. Many diabetics struggle with temptation

until they eventually wean themselves from sweet-tasting foods. Once you do,

putting something really sweet in your mouth is like fingernails on the

blackboard. (Notice how most pets won't eat sweets? The taste is

unpleasant!) I find the astringent-sweetness of artificial sweeteners is

the sweetest I can tolerate. Fresca is a nice soda because it is so citrus-y

and " unsweet. "

What's the carb count on the Klondike bars and the ice cream? I never

found an ice cream that was in acceptable range. The closest was the

" Guilt-Free " artificially-sweetened, fat-free ice cream. But eating that

necessitated reserving a front-row seat in the bathroom ... Criminy! They

could sell that stuff as Ex-Lax!

Susie

[Guest guest]

> <<<Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for that tea. I picked up some almonds

> also; both plain, and a can of Blue Diamond Smokehouse almonds..

> Question.. How does one not eat more than the 3 tbs alloted serving

> size/>>>

Dave,

Well, first you've got to stay away from those Blue Diamond babies... They're

the " fun "

almonds...extra salt and nearly impossible to set down..

AND, they're REAL expensive..

I get the 5 pound bag at Costco... less expensive than even Wal-Mart...

[Guest guest]

> <<< Dave, I think that sweet tooth may get you into trouble. The problem we

>

> find is that even if we are using artificial sweetener, the constant sweet

> taste seems to set up a craving. Many diabetics struggle with temptation

> until they eventually wean themselves from sweet-tasting foods. Once you do,

> putting something really sweet in your mouth is like fingernails on the

> blackboard. (Notice how most pets won't eat sweets? The taste is

> unpleasant!) I find the astringent-sweetness of artificial sweeteners is

> the sweetest I can tolerate. Fresca is a nice soda because it is so citrus-y

> and " unsweet. "

>

> What's the carb count on the Klondike bars and the ice cream? I never

> found an ice cream that was in acceptable range. The closest was the

> " Guilt-Free " artificially-sweetened, fat-free ice cream. But eating that

> necessitated reserving a front-row seat in the bathroom ... Criminy! They

> could sell that stuff as Ex-Lax!>>>

>

Susie,

I don't have the carb count handy but there's no artificial sweetener in the

Klondike bars... They're just " no sugar added " .

BTW: I have 6 Persian cats that demand a plate of whipped cream every evening.

[Guest guest]

Granger writes:

<< Well, first you've got to stay away from those Blue Diamond babies...

They're the " fun "

almonds...extra salt and nearly impossible to set down.. AND, they're REAL

expensive.. I get the 5 pound bag at Costco... less expensive than even

Wal-Mart... >>

Good advice, ! And I buy my nuts in the shell. The time and work

involved in cracking them slows down the munching. And they are free of

salt, sugar, etc. But when I'm on the road, I buy them already shelled.

Susie

[Guest guest]

, you sound like my kind of guy. I have five persians one is sixteen

years old and one (her daughter) is 14. BTW, the carb count does matter,

quite often sugarless items are full of extra carbs, salt and other things

which are not good for you. I make my own icecream with one of those

countertop ice cream freezers. You can get one for about $40.00.

Ann S

Re: Initiation

>

>

> > <<< Dave, I think that sweet tooth may get you into trouble. The

problem we

> >

> > find is that even if we are using artificial sweetener, the constant

sweet

> > taste seems to set up a craving. Many diabetics struggle with temptation

> > until they eventually wean themselves from sweet-tasting foods. Once you

do,

> > putting something really sweet in your mouth is like fingernails on the

> > blackboard. (Notice how most pets won't eat sweets? The taste is

> > unpleasant!) I find the astringent-sweetness of artificial sweeteners

is

> > the sweetest I can tolerate. Fresca is a nice soda because it is so

citrus-y

> > and " unsweet. "

> >

> > What's the carb count on the Klondike bars and the ice cream? I

never

> > found an ice cream that was in acceptable range. The closest was the

> > " Guilt-Free " artificially-sweetened, fat-free ice cream. But eating that

> > necessitated reserving a front-row seat in the bathroom ... Criminy!

They

> > could sell that stuff as Ex-Lax!>>>

> >

>

> Susie,

>

> I don't have the carb count handy but there's no artificial sweetener in

the

> Klondike bars... They're just " no sugar added " .

>

> BTW: I have 6 Persian cats that demand a plate of whipped cream every

evening.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Granger writes:

<< I don't have the carb count handy but there's no artificial sweetener in

the Klondike bars... They're just " no sugar added " .

BTW: I have 6 Persian cats that demand a plate of whipped cream every

evening. >>

Cats are certainly fond of dairy products. You are feeding them naturally

made whipped cream - without the sweeteners? Here is the nutritional info

for Klondike bars:

Reduced Fat/No Sugar Added Fat-Free Big

Ice Cream Bar (4 oz.) Bear Sandwich (4 oz.)

Calories 190 130

Total Fat 10 0

Saturated Fat 7 0

Carbohydrates 19 25

Sugars 6 10

The " no sugar added " bar still has 19 grams of carbohydrates, plus 10 grams

of fat (including 7 grams sat. fat). And the fat-free sandwich (naturally)

has even more carbohydrates - 25 grams.

Susie

[Guest guest]

> <<<

>

> , you sound like my kind of guy. I have five persians one is sixteen

> years old and one (her daughter) is 14. BTW, the carb count does matter,

> quite often sugarless items are full of extra carbs, salt and other things

> which are not good for you. I make my own icecream with one of those

> countertop ice cream freezers. You can get one for about $40.00.>>>

Hi Ann,

Yes, I've got one of the ice cream freezers but haven't used it in a couple

years... Better ice cream but lotsa work compared to walking to the freezer and

zipping out a Klondike bar.

Just found their web page.. The no sugar added Klondike's are: 19 carbs and 190

calories for a 4 oz bar.

I too have a mother daughter cat combination. The daughter was hiding under the

bed one day when my wife was gathering up the herd for a grooming session. She

couldn't get the cat from under the bed so she stuck an ironing board under to

scare the daughter out...well, the daughter saw the ironing board and let out a

single scream which brought the mother running from another room...only to find

my wife apparently attacking her kid with the ironing board... Things were a

little tense for a monent.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> OtterCritter@... wrote:

>

> <<<Cats are certainly fond of dairy products. You are feeding them naturally

> made whipped cream - without the sweeteners? Here is the nutritional info

> for Klondike bars:

>

> Reduced Fat/No Sugar Added Fat-Free Big

> Ice Cream Bar (4 oz.) Bear Sandwich (4 oz.)

>

> Calories 190 130

> Total Fat 10 0

> Saturated Fat 7 0

> Carbohydrates 19 25

> Sugars 6 10

>

> The " no sugar added " bar still has 19 grams of carbohydrates, plus 10 grams

> of fat (including 7 grams sat. fat). And the fat-free sandwich (naturally)

> has even more carbohydrates - 25 grams.>?>>

Susie,

Yes, I normally avoid products that have more than 15 carbs per serving but my

dietitian said it's pretty important to avoid the mental attitude that I'm

depriving myself... I've found the Klondike's (which she suggested) fit the

bill.

[Guest guest]

Yes they do do that don't they. All mine are related back to the old girl.

4 white and 1 black and 3 domestic shorthairs. All non producing now.

Those carbs can get you in trouble.

My counter top icecream freezer is one that you put the tub in the freezer.

It make about 1 1/2 qts of icecream. I really enjoy it as it takes no salt,

no ice and is ready if you start it just as you sit down for dinner just

about when you are ready for desert.

I have an excellent low carb recipe if you are so inclined I will send it.

Ann S

Re: Initiation

>

>

> > <<<

> >

> > , you sound like my kind of guy. I have five persians one is

sixteen

> > years old and one (her daughter) is 14. BTW, the carb count does

matter,

> > quite often sugarless items are full of extra carbs, salt and other

things

> > which are not good for you. I make my own icecream with one of those

> > countertop ice cream freezers. You can get one for about $40.00.>>>

>

> Hi Ann,

>

> Yes, I've got one of the ice cream freezers but haven't used it in a

couple

> years... Better ice cream but lotsa work compared to walking to the

freezer and

> zipping out a Klondike bar.

>

> Just found their web page.. The no sugar added Klondike's are: 19 carbs

and 190

> calories for a 4 oz bar.

>

> I too have a mother daughter cat combination. The daughter was hiding

under the

> bed one day when my wife was gathering up the herd for a grooming session.

She

> couldn't get the cat from under the bed so she stuck an ironing board

under to

> scare the daughter out...well, the daughter saw the ironing board and let

out a

> single scream which brought the mother running from another room...only to

find

> my wife apparently attacking her kid with the ironing board... Things were

a

> little tense for a monent.

>

>

>

>

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Ann Stagner wrote:

> <<<Yes they do do that don't they. All mine are related back to the old girl.

>

> 4 white and 1 black and 3 domestic shorthairs. All non producing now.

>

> Those carbs can get you in trouble.

>

> My counter top icecream freezer is one that you put the tub in the freezer.

> It make about 1 1/2 qts of icecream. I really enjoy it as it takes no salt,

> no ice and is ready if you start it just as you sit down for dinner just

> about when you are ready for desert.

>

> I have an excellent low carb recipe if you are so inclined I will send it.>>>

Ann,

Yes, please send the recipe... I've one of those " load up the mix, salt, ice,

run the machine which sounds like a washing machine for an hour, then find a way

to dump the super-cooled ice down the drain without dumping it all over the

floor.. Sounds like you've got a neat machine.

I've thought about getting one...but that was in my " pre-BG measuring life " ..

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Here goes ....are you ready for a treat? BTW you can find those type of

freezers at Target, Service Merchandise and Dillards or dept stores of that

type. And as someone who used to raise jersey cows and dairy goats and made

gallons of the load up the ice, salt etc icecream when there were three kids

and a significant other at home. I far prefer this method.

4 egg yolks (whisk until light)

2 cups whipping cream

2 cups half and half

1 tsp vanilla

dash of salt

Artificial Sweetener to taste

I prefer splenda as it simply tastes better. I get it out of Canada and can

give you an addy if you wish. You can cook with this and it doesn't change

with the heat.

Scald the milk and half and half in top of dbl boiler and cool. wisk in egg

yolks and cook slowly stirring constantly until it thickens. Add salt and

vanilla ( I like to scrape the vanilla bean into my mixture as I love

vanilla) Cool in refrigerator until ready to use. Pour into freezer and

let it go. BTW you can half the cream and half and half and you have a

really delicious custard.

Ann S

Re: Initiation

>

>

>

>

> Ann Stagner wrote:

>

> > <<<Yes they do do that don't they. All mine are related back to the old

girl.

> >

> > 4 white and 1 black and 3 domestic shorthairs. All non producing now.

> >

> > Those carbs can get you in trouble.

> >

> > My counter top icecream freezer is one that you put the tub in the

freezer.

> > It make about 1 1/2 qts of icecream. I really enjoy it as it takes no

salt,

> > no ice and is ready if you start it just as you sit down for dinner just

> > about when you are ready for desert.

> >

> > I have an excellent low carb recipe if you are so inclined I will send

it.>>>

>

> Ann,

>

> Yes, please send the recipe... I've one of those " load up the mix, salt,

ice,

> run the machine which sounds like a washing machine for an hour, then find

a way

> to dump the super-cooled ice down the drain without dumping it all over

the

> floor.. Sounds like you've got a neat machine.

>

> I've thought about getting one...but that was in my " pre-BG measuring

life " ..

>

> Thanks,

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Granger writes:

<< ... I've one of those " load up the mix, salt, ice, run the machine which

sounds like a washing machine for an hour, then find a way to dump the

super-cooled ice down the drain without dumping it all over the

floor.. Sounds like you've got a neat machine ... >>

I have one like Ann S. They are also great for making slushy drinkies.

Susie )

[Guest guest]

I've never heard of klondike bars. Can someone me tell where to get them and if

you can buy them in Canada.(I'm In Newfoundland)

Gail

OtterCritter@... wrote:

> From: OtterCritter@...

>

> Dave Orcutt writes:

>

> << ... Klondike bars ... I saw them in the market and got them.. GREAT

> STUFF! I enjoy the same pudding and jello each night, with a tad of Cool

> Whip of course. I also tried the Edy's sugar free ice cream ... Do you

> sweeten the ice tea?

>

> Dave -- April 5, 1999

> t2 8/98 Glucophage >>

>

> Dave, I think that sweet tooth may get you into trouble. The problem we

> find is that even if we are using artificial sweetener, the constant sweet

> taste seems to set up a craving. Many diabetics struggle with temptation

> until they eventually wean themselves from sweet-tasting foods. Once you do,

> putting something really sweet in your mouth is like fingernails on the

> blackboard. (Notice how most pets won't eat sweets? The taste is

> unpleasant!) I find the astringent-sweetness of artificial sweeteners is

> the sweetest I can tolerate. Fresca is a nice soda because it is so citrus-y

> and " unsweet. "

>

> What's the carb count on the Klondike bars and the ice cream? I never

> found an ice cream that was in acceptable range. The closest was the

> " Guilt-Free " artificially-sweetened, fat-free ice cream. But eating that

> necessitated reserving a front-row seat in the bathroom ... Criminy! They

> could sell that stuff as Ex-Lax!

>

> Susie

>

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