Guest guest Posted March 4, 1999 Report Share Posted March 4, 1999 Maybe he went low during the night and the liver dumped glucose. He could try setting the alarm for around 2 AM (or some other time) and checking. Maybe having a snack, such as an apple or a sandwich before going to bed will help. confused > > >Can someone explain this to us? My husband checked his BG last night before >he went to bed at around 8 p.m. It was 169 which is really low for him. This >morning when he woke up around 7 a.m. and checked it (after not eating at >all) it was 198. Now, shouldn't it have gone down or at least stayed the >same? >Thanks, >Deb & Geoff > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >We are proud as punch of our new web site! >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 1999 Report Share Posted March 4, 1999 A slice of cheese before bed seems to hold my BG down over night. Winston confused > > >> >> >>Can someone explain this to us? My husband checked his BG last night before >>he went to bed at around 8 p.m. It was 169 which is really low for him. >This >>morning when he woke up around 7 a.m. and checked it (after not eating at >>all) it was 198. Now, shouldn't it have gone down or at least stayed the >>same? >>Thanks, >>Deb & Geoff >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>We are proud as punch of our new web site! >>http://www.onelist.com >>Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >We have a new web site! >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 1999 Report Share Posted March 6, 1999 Deb writes: << ... My husband checked his BG last night before he went to bed at around 8 p.m. It was 169 which is really low for him. This morning when he woke up around 7 a.m. and checked it (after not eating at all) it was 198. Now, shouldn't it have gone down or at least stayed the same? >> It could be the " rooster effect. " At dawn a rooster ruffles his feathers and begins crowing. Our body reacts to circadian rhythms by increasing heart rate and blood pressure, circulation, and maybe increasing glucose levels to prepare us to meet the day. It could be increasing in anticipation of a high-carb breakfast. (You can dampen that response by lowering carb intake.) It could be the rebound effect, in which his b.g.'s drop too low during the night, so his liver kicks in and compensates ... but it over-compensates most of the time. This could be happening if he is on a sulfonylurea, which can overstimulate the pancreas to put out insulin. It could even be testing error. Testing and good recordkeeping will probably reveal the cause soon. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 1999 Report Share Posted March 6, 1999 Winston writes: << A slice of cheese before bed seems to hold my BG down over night. >> Cheese is high in fat and has the ability to mute your body's glycemic response to carbohydrates. What I would picture it doing if you are a type 1 (or a type 2 on sulfonylureas) is keep your glucose from spiking as much from a high-carb meal ... but it would also tend to prevent hypos during the night. If you are saying that you eat the cheese and get up four hours later to test and your reading is lower than it would be if you had not eaten it, then that sounds like the dampening effect fat intake has on our diabetic bodies' response to eating carbohydrates. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 Hi, group, I'm now taking small doses of insulin matching to carbs at meals and doing pretty good. I'm also taking 2 NPH at bedtime plus an 8 oz. glass of 1% milk. This lowered my fasting BGs to between 120 and 130, which is okay and when I tried reducing the milk from 8 oz. to 6 oz. the AM BGs came down to the mid 120s. When I cut milk down to 2/3 of a cup, the AM BG was 119. Sort of afraid to cut down more. Also, if bedtime BG is below 120 I have a cookie with the milk to hold me til dawn effect kicks in. By the way, for my meals I'm using a Humalog pen (disposable), which I find very handy except that it doesn't do half units so I end up compensating by adjusting my carbs, usually upwards. And I notice Bernstein says don't use the pen for this very reason. However, I've just learnedthat B-D makes a reusable minipen that measures in half units and uses insulin cartridges. The Humalog now comes in cartridges too, so I'm going to switch to that when I use up my Humalog pen. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 It lowers my morning reading to about the same as my bed time reading. I think that cheese is a slow acting carb (the one carb in a slice) and it fools the liver a little into not producing the dawn effect. I started doing it when I read about it on one of the list or a news group. I use it to flatten that small morning spike. Currently I am not on drugs. Winston Re: confused >From: OtterCritter@... > >Winston writes: > ><< A slice of cheese before bed seems to hold my BG down over night. >> > >Cheese is high in fat and has the ability to mute your body's glycemic >response to carbohydrates. What I would picture it doing if you are a type 1 >(or a type 2 on sulfonylureas) is keep your glucose from spiking as much >from a high-carb meal ... but it would also tend to prevent hypos during the >night. If you are saying that you eat the cheese and get up four hours later >to test and your reading is lower than it would be if you had not eaten it, >then that sounds like the dampening effect fat intake has on our diabetic >bodies' response to eating carbohydrates. > >Susie > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? >http://www.onelist.com >Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 Winston writes: << ... . I think that cheese is a slow acting carb (the one carb in a slice) and it fools the liver a little into not producing the dawn effect. I started doing it when I read about it on one of the list or a news group. I use it to flatten that small morning spike ... >> An example: one ounce of American cheese is 94 calories, 5.6 grams protein, 2.4 grams of carbs, 6.6 grams of fat (including 4.4 grams of saturated fat). Carbohydrates do not impact morning readings, other than that of one persists in eating too many, the readings - and the disease - will worsen. Research indicates that all carbs act too fast to matter overnight. (Even " slow-acting " carbs are gone in four hours.) The only before-bed foods that impact your morning readings would be protein or fat. Protein raises your b.g.'s slowly, and fat slows down the reaction to carbs. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 writes: << ... this morning I ... tested. It was 133 which I know is still high but better than the 193 when taken at the doctor a week ago ... >> What a huge improvement already! {S highfive} Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 , There are two caps for the Microlet lancer that comes with the Elite. The one that causes deeper sticks has 5 little dots on the top, the other has 3... and the harder you press the device to your skin the deeper the puncture... Heller wrote: > > > Dear Susie, > > Thank you so much for you letter. I still do not know what I am doing > but this morning I went to Wal-mart and got a Glucometer (? spelling) > and tested. It was 133 which I know is still high but better than the > 193 when taken at the doctor a week ago. Of course, I had blood all over > the table and think I have damaged my fingers for eternity.(lol)I > appreciate your letter and encouragement. Thank you for the bittersweet > welcome. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > We are proud as punch of our new web site! > http://www.onelist.com > Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 what is BG ? ... I have just been dx'd with type 11 ......... help ! OtterCritter@... wrote: > From: OtterCritter@... > > writes: > > << ... this morning I ... tested. It was 133 which I know is still high but > better than the 193 when taken at the doctor a week ago ... >> > > What a huge improvement already! > > {S highfive} > > Susie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Have you visited our new web site? > http://www.onelist.com > Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 Kirby inquires: << what is BG ? ... I have just been dx'd with type 11 ......... help ! >> BG or b.g. is blood glucose readings. What is confusing, , is that those of us in the US use American numbers, which must be converted to metric to be meaningful to you. Susie (feeling lame because I forgot the conversion formula ... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 Thanks for that Susie .... take it easy OtterCritter@... wrote: > From: OtterCritter@... > > Kirby inquires: > > << what is BG ? ... I have just been dx'd with type 11 ......... help ! >> > > BG or b.g. is blood glucose readings. What is confusing, , is that > those of us in the US use American numbers, which must be converted to > metric to be meaningful to you. > > Susie (feeling lame because I forgot the conversion formula ... ) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? > http://www.onelist.com > Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 > > I have not met with the nutritionist yet and my doctor so >far has told me to do an exchange diet. I am playing the insurance game right now because they have to contact me before I meet with anyone about diet. I am furious because almost two weeks have passed and I have not heard from them but believe me, I am calling today. It's a good thing you're calling them back. My insurance company was pretty much on the stick about making the arrangements, but it was still a month before the CDE/nutritionist could get me in. Good Luck Robin G. The untrue never is; The true never isn't. Krishna Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 Susie, I believe the magic number is 18. Us yanks multiply them funny euro-readings by 18, and our European cousins divide our high numbers by 18 to get one of them funny low readings. Therefore a teriffic reading of 100 would convert to 5.5. Mr. Edd Take good care of the kid in you. Re: Confused >From: OtterCritter@... > > Kirby inquires: > ><< what is BG ? ... I have just been dx'd with type 11 ......... help ! >> > >BG or b.g. is blood glucose readings. What is confusing, , is that >those of us in the US use American numbers, which must be converted to >metric to be meaningful to you. > >Susie (feeling lame because I forgot the conversion formula ... ) > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? >http://www.onelist.com >Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 1999 Report Share Posted April 8, 1999 susie, The comment you make is from your own perspective which is fine, however you assume that your diet and comments in regard to same are the only relevant ones, from my perspective if there has been a lot of indulge in takeaways and high fat diets than accumulation does ocurr. In my situation and i stress my situation a move to a lower fat diet, longer acting carbos, insulin twice a day and exercise i have found that I have lost 25kgs and my readings are right down from 30s to 6-7. Exercise has played a big part as I am also in a stressful position with finanical control in excess of 100 million with one company growing from zero. So I stress the situation is mine and I have explained the situation as I have experienced. The weight loss was certaily assisted with nutropathic help with a cleansing of the internal functions which have made me regular which is important. The weight I am now is ideal in regard to the body fat ratio for my build. Previously I ws in excess of 100kgs and am now around 80kgs at 6ft 1 inch. My eating pattern has changed in that I tend to have carbos in the morning preferable porridge with fruit and eat approximately every two hours during the day. Exercise at night not heavy tends to use any excess sugar and I snack before I sleep. this has resulted in no levels too low as I can gauge my levels perceptively thru body feeling. My levels increase in the morning but gradually peter out depending on carbos intake. At this stage for my situation this approach appears to be working with some days too high but the three monthly assessment being ok. Every persons body can can effected differently my diabetes and it is only by experimenting that you can become familiar with your own body needs. I certainly found the natropathic approach to internal bodily functions helpful hence I made the comment accordingly. Not to impose my view but to express an approach which i have found helpful. If you dont find it helpful then fine. I make no reference to any perception in regard to medical perceptions in regard to body fat build up re meat in stomach etc. only that with regular motions exercise not strenous and insulin I have found it helpful. One thing I do find is that when carbos intake are high then I hav difficulty staying awake and need some sleep. This was explained as the blood moving to the stomach area and making sleep necessary, so I had to reduce the amount of carbo accordingly. regards andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 1999 Report Share Posted April 8, 1999 Any tell me about the carb counter ... Dave, A carb counter is just a book that tells you the carbohydrates in all the foods you eat. I bought one at Wal-Mart and it is a brand name carb counter. From what I am reading and learning, you should keep your daily carb count to a minimum. I received Dr. Bernstein's book " Diabetes Solution " and his program really restricts carbs. You can get it through Amazon.com. I am sure they ship internationally. They are a great resource. I hope this information helps you. I love your accent. (lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 1999 Report Share Posted April 8, 1999 odered today thanks a milloin .... keep the info coming ..... I love my accent too .... my greek wife doesn't though ..... I am a real Londoner .... where r u ? Heller wrote: > > > Any tell me about the carb counter ... > > Dave, > > A carb counter is just a book that tells you the carbohydrates in all > the foods you eat. I bought one at Wal-Mart and it is a brand name carb > counter. From what I am reading and learning, you should keep your daily > carb count to a minimum. I received Dr. Bernstein's book " Diabetes > Solution " and his program really restricts carbs. You can get it through > Amazon.com. I am sure they ship internationally. They are a great > resource. > > I hope this information helps you. I love your accent. (lol) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Have you visited the new ONElist home page lately? > http://www.ONElist.com > ONElist: The Leading e-mail list and community service on the Internet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 1999 Report Share Posted April 8, 1999 Yes they are very similar. I think that Atkins is easier to follow than Dr. Bernsteins and a little more restrictive than Sugar Busters. All have the similar effect on BG's but Atkins tends more to real weight loss for me personally. Ann S Re: Confused > > > Dear Bill, > > " The book > by atkins is a good start it's got some good stuff in it. Another > resource > is your local diabetic association or council, they'll have resource and > leads to other resources. " > > Thanks for the kind words and information. Unfortunately, I am finding > that these two sources advocate totally different diets. I think that is > what has led to my frustration. I am reading Dr. Bernstein's book > (Amazon.com and received it in two days) and it makes alot of sense. I > bought a trusty carb counter and am watching like a hawk. My conclusion > is that Adkins, Sugarbusters or Dr. Bernstein's is a way of life. They > are very similar programs but Dr. Bernstein's is very restrictive. > > Heller > New to the diabetic war > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you know that knowledge is power? > http://www.ONElist.com > Join a new ONElist e-mail community and strengthen your mind! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 1999 Report Share Posted April 8, 1999 writes: << ... At this stage for my situation this approach appears to be working with some days too high but the three monthly assessment being ok ... >> , are you saying that you are a type 2, on both pills and insulin? What was your last HbA1c reading? Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 1999 Report Share Posted April 8, 1999 where r u ? Florida and it is already hot!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 1999 Report Share Posted April 8, 1999 Feeling HOT HOT HOT ......................... NOT !!!!! ..... Brrrrrrrrr .....good old blooming blighty ...tee hee hee Heller wrote: > > > where r u ? > > Florida and it is already hot!!! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Has ONElist changed your life? > http://www.ONElist.com > Visit our homepage and share with us your experiences at ONElist of the Week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 1999 Report Share Posted April 8, 1999 Dear Mr. Edd, Thanks so much for the website with the recipes. I think that will make my life so much more intersting. Some of the recipes sound wonderful. I can't wait to try them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 1999 Report Share Posted April 10, 1999 , I too am in 84 degree (Fahrenheit) Florida, but it like Barry Forster, a local radio commentator says, " You can say what you want about the heat, but you don't have to scrape it off the windshield or shovel it off the driveway. " Mr. Edd None of us is as smart as all of us. Re: Confused > > >cythina, > >dear florida and the hot weather, > >i'm not sure if you are asking me but nonethless the answer is >andrew from australia at mackay at the great barrier reef >who is a insulin dependant diabetic > >kind regards to the weather it is tropical rain here >venturing towards winter ie 20 degrees > > >kind regards andrew > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Looking for the perfect gift for a friend? >http://www.ONElist.com >Tell them about ONElist's 115,000 free e-mail communities! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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