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We need that lab's ranges with these numbers as they are different for

different labs.. You Ferritin IS bad!!! You need to be taking at least

200MG of elemental iron a day to bring that up.

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I was looking back on past labs and thyroid functions were not done except in the 24 hr urine test, and one blood test.

Can you help me with the interpretation?

Blood test:

free T-4 was 1.0 range .01-1.8 ng/dl

TSH was 3.77 MIU/L range .4-5.5 T3 free 279 range 230-420 pg/dl

Thanks,

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We need that lab's ranges with these numbers as they are different for different labs.. You Ferritin IS bad!!! You need to be taking at least 200MG of elemental iron a day to bring that up.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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I found a lab done a year later than the one I just posted. free T-4 .9 ng/dl range .8-1.8 ng/dl

TSH 1.88 MIU/L range .4-5.5 MIU/L

No T3 was done.

-- Re: newbie needs advice! Please...

We need that lab's ranges with these numbers as they are different for different labs.. You Ferritin IS bad!!! You need to be taking at least 200MG of elemental iron a day to bring that up.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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free T-4 was 1.0 range .01-1.8 ng/dl

TSH was 3.77 MIU/L range .4-5.5 T3 free 279 range 230-420 pg/dl

I bet that range for the Free T4 was supposed to be 1-1.8? But either

way it is low. It should be at least 1.2 with this lab's ranges. Your

TSH definitely shows HYPO. With no thyroid meds it should be under 2,

preferably 1.5 The ranges this lab is using are very outdated. New

ranges are 3.0 to 3.3 and even those are too high. Your Free T3 shows

very hypo as well. It needs to be in the top third of it's range or

HIGHER which would be at least 357, but 380 would feel better for you.

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So how do I supplement? I have the T3, the Armour, the Cortef.

The 3.77 was with no cortef or thyroid med.

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free T-4 was 1.0 range .01-1.8 ng/dlTSH was 3.77 MIU/L range .4-5.5 T3 free 279 range 230-420 pg/dlI bet that range for the Free T4 was supposed to be 1-1.8? But either way it is low. It should be at least 1.2 with this lab's ranges. Your TSH definitely shows HYPO. With no thyroid meds it should be under 2, preferably 1.5 The ranges this lab is using are very outdated. New ranges are 3.0 to 3.3 and even those are too high. Your Free T3 shows very hypo as well. It needs to be in the top third of it's range or HIGHER which would be at least 357, but 380 would feel better for you.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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>>So how do I supplement? I have the T3, the Armour, the Cortef.

The 3.77 was with no cortef or thyroid med. <<

Exactly how much Armoru & T3 have you been taking and for how long?

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I have been taking 10 mgs cortef in the morning and 5 mgs at lunch, for 9 months.

I started T3 around November, when I had amalgams pulled out, which finished in March with all dental but one more cap to replace.

T3 40 mgs 2 pills in morning (20mg SR) and 20 more mgs at dinner.

I just received Armour 60 mg last week and started 30 mg morning this week.

I had been on 30 mg Armour morning for several months, but my local doc said this dose is too low and gave me 60 mg pills last week.

My Lyme doc gave me the 15 mg Armour, the local doc change the dose.

Hope this is not too confusing.

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>>So how do I supplement? I have the T3, the Armour, the Cortef.The 3.77 was with no cortef or thyroid med. <<Exactly how much Armoru & T3 have you been taking and for how long?-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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>>free T-4 .9 ng/dl range .8-1.8 ng/dl<<

Still showing your T4 in the dumps! You need Armour not T3 only.

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OK with what you have been on taking into consideration, I would DROP

the T3 and go to 120MG Armour, starting tomorrow! Keep the HC as is

unless you have symptoms of shakiness ( internal shaking is how most

people describe it) or nausea. I would split that dose of Armour into60

MG first thing AM with your 10mg HC then in four hours take your 5MG HC

and then about 1PM take the other 30MG Armour, then at bedtime take the

rest of the Armour, 30MG. This should help you sleep and get enough T3

to carry you, though you may feel a little hypo till the T4 starts to

catch up in your system. T3 has immediate effects while the T4 takes

several weeks to build. I would also start a temp graph per

www.drrind.com to tell what your thyroid and adrenals are doing. It is a

good idea to do this all through titrating your dose of Armour up.

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OK, will try it, thank! I do know about the internal shaking. Had it on and off for years and thought it was from growth hormone deficiency or Lyme. I do not feel the T3 ever did anything for me.

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OK with what you have been on taking into consideration, I would DROP the T3 and go to 120MG Armour, starting tomorrow! Keep the HC as is unless you have symptoms of shakiness ( internal shaking is how most people describe it) or nausea. I would split that dose of Armour into60 MG first thing AM with your 10mg HC then in four hours take your 5MG HC and then about 1PM take the other 30MG Armour, then at bedtime take the rest of the Armour, 30MG. This should help you sleep and get enough T3 to carry you, though you may feel a little hypo till the T4 starts to catch up in your system. T3 has immediate effects while the T4 takes several weeks to build. I would also start a temp graph per www.drrind.com to tell what your thyroid and adrenals are doing. It is a good idea to do this all through titrating your dose of Armour up.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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What exactly do you mean by elemental iron? I bought an iron

supplement today but I don't know if it is elemental.

Also, will iron supplements feed candida?

Thanks for your continuing help...

susan

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Iron is perfectly safe t take with Candida problems and in fact as it

improves circulation it may even help. Most iron supplements will say on

the package how much elemental iron are in them.

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Hi :

I decided to start the Armour last night before bed and took 15 mgs. I have been up ever since. Feels like I did 5 cups of coffee, some palpitations. I don't get why I am not responding to the cortef or any thyroid meds so far. I am debating taking some cortef now (2:00 a.m.) but that might add to the problem. Just cannot sleep a wink. Any ideas?

Thanks,

-- Re: newbie needs advice! Please...

OK with what you have been on taking into consideration, I would DROP the T3 and go to 120MG Armour, starting tomorrow! Keep the HC as is unless you have symptoms of shakiness ( internal shaking is how most people describe it) or nausea. I would split that dose of Armour into60 MG first thing AM with your 10mg HC then in four hours take your 5MG HC and then about 1PM take the other 30MG Armour, then at bedtime take the rest of the Armour, 30MG. This should help you sleep and get enough T3 to carry you, though you may feel a little hypo till the T4 starts to catch up in your system. T3 has immediate effects while the T4 takes several weeks to build. I would also start a temp graph per www.drrind.com to tell what your thyroid and adrenals are doing. It is a good idea to do this all through titrating your dose of Armour up.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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As yo have just learned, night time is not the best time to start a new

dosing regime! The reason yo are feeling nothing form the Cortef is most

likely you r adrenals are already in worse shape and you most likely

need more. BUT when you increase that, you are3 going to get a whole lot

of thyroid into your cells all at once. Thyroid, mainly T3 will build up

in your blood when you have low cortisol as cortisol is needed for it to

get into the cells to work. You may have to back your thyroid dose off

for up to a week when increasing Cortisol, cause when your body finally

gets ENOUGH Cortisol, all that built up T3 will suddenly be able to get

into your cells and WHAM you will be hyper for several days. So instead

of taking the full Armour dose today why not cut 30MG out of it and

instead add another 5MG Cortef. I think 2 10MG doses would be best so if

you have some thyroid dump into your system it isn't too late in the

day. Do this for a couple days unless you have hyper symptoms then you

must take even less thyroid till this excess is used up. You will know

when it is used up by a return of hypo symptoms, then it is safe to

increases the Armour again. From that point on, you will begin to feel

better as the Armour will be able to work. You clue to me that you are

low cortisol is you saying it does nothing for you. That simply means

you haven't reached a dose with it that works for you. It sometimes

takes several months to get the Armour dose where it needs to be, but

you HAVE to get the Cortef dose past this build up stage first.

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OK, but I have been on Cortef for 9 months and do not feel it ever did anything much. I have gone up and down with the Cortef dose with no change.

I have taken Armour or T3 at night before. In fact, when I was on T3 regularly, it made me sleep better to take a night dose. It seems like my adrenals are on-off, on-off.

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As yo have just learned, night time is not the best time to start a new dosing regime! The reason yo are feeling nothing form the Cortef is most likely you r adrenals are already in worse shape and you most likely need more. BUT when you increase that, you are3 going to get a whole lot of thyroid into your cells all at once. Thyroid, mainly T3 will build up in your blood when you have low cortisol as cortisol is needed for it to get into the cells to work. You may have to back your thyroid dose off for up to a week when increasing Cortisol, cause when your body finally gets ENOUGH Cortisol, all that built up T3 will suddenly be able to get into your cells and WHAM you will be hyper for several days. So instead of taking the full Armour dose today why not cut 30MG out of it and instead add another 5MG Cortef. I think 2 10MG doses would be best so if you have some thyroid dump into your system it isn't too late in the day. Do this for a couple days unless you have hyper symptoms then you must take even less thyroid till this excess is used up. You will know when it is used up by a return of hypo symptoms, then it is safe to increases the Armour again. From that point on, you will begin to feel better as the Armour will be able to work. You clue to me that you are low cortisol is you saying it does nothing for you. That simply means you haven't reached a dose with it that works for you. It sometimes takes several months to get the Armour dose where it needs to be, but you HAVE to get the Cortef dose past this build up stage first.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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If I did not have enough cortef, why would I get the thyroid dump last night? ALso, I did not increase my cortef. It has remained the same. Most of the time I have no energy. When I go the the hyperbaric chamber I then feel very good and can even go swim or walk after. But I cannot go to the chamber everyday due to cost. That is the only time I feel normal. Makes me think there is an oxygen transport problem. I also tested too high for iron in the past.

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As yo have just learned, night time is not the best time to start a new dosing regime! The reason yo are feeling nothing form the Cortef is most likely you r adrenals are already in worse shape and you most likely need more. BUT when you increase that, you are3 going to get a whole lot of thyroid into your cells all at once. Thyroid, mainly T3 will build up in your blood when you have low cortisol as cortisol is needed for it to get into the cells to work. You may have to back your thyroid dose off for up to a week when increasing Cortisol, cause when your body finally gets ENOUGH Cortisol, all that built up T3 will suddenly be able to get into your cells and WHAM you will be hyper for several days. So instead of taking the full Armour dose today why not cut 30MG out of it and instead add another 5MG Cortef. I think 2 10MG doses would be best so if you have some thyroid dump into your system it isn't too late in the day. Do this for a couple days unless you have hyper symptoms then you must take even less thyroid till this excess is used up. You will know when it is used up by a return of hypo symptoms, then it is safe to increases the Armour again. From that point on, you will begin to feel better as the Armour will be able to work. You clue to me that you are low cortisol is you saying it does nothing for you. That simply means you haven't reached a dose with it that works for you. It sometimes takes several months to get the Armour dose where it needs to be, but you HAVE to get the Cortef dose past this build up stage first.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/