Re: Update / Crossroads/ question

[Guest guest]

Dear Sally,

You said:

<<I just wanted to update because the last 2 days have been the worst

since I came off the prozac (5 weeks off prozac now/7 months since

switch from seroxat. Still taking 2mg valium which I only started to

cope with the switch.)

There is a possibility that some of the symptoms are down to PMT but

for the last 2 weeks I have been getting steadily worse and period

not due for another 5 days or so - so dont think it can really be

down to that.>>

** 2 mg. of Valium is a small dose. You don't have to be too concerned

about it. However, I would raise it to almost 3x what you take as suggested

by MIND. I also don't se the use for Noni if you are taking a good vitamin

and mineral supplement with high amounts of nutrients.

You said:

<<I have some of the cherry plum which will try for the anger etc.

have also been using the other combinations of bach remedies

catherine has suggested to me. Over the withdrawal the remedies have

definately helped at different stages but over the last week or so

they just dont seem able to 'touch the symptoms'.>>

** I think you'll find the Cherry Plum very helpful for the rage.

Did you find the 3rd remedy for the comnbination? If not, I will send

it to you.

The effects of a combination remedy are greater than the sum of its

parts.

You said:

<<I have seen a homeopath who is incredibly kind and helpful but if

anything since I started the see her and take sepia my symptoms have

intensified. (I understand that at other times this can be a 'good'

thing in homeopath but when things are so difficult anyway it just

makes it all harder.)>>

** Stop taking the Sepia if you are still taking it. I believe she

prescribed a 1M dose. This should not be done with someone in withdrawal

until a 30C and 200C have been tried.

You said:

<<Basically I am crying ALL the time. Feel desperate. No hope.

Extreme irritability/anxiety.>>

** This could definitely be what's called a proving in homeopathy. It

means that you exhibit the very symptoms a remedy was supposed to alleviate.

This happenms most often in people who are very sensitive or whose vital

force has been weakened. Starting with a 30C is the safest way to go

because a 30C of anything can be easily antidoted. It is extremely

difficult, if not impossible, to antidote a 1M dose. The only thing I can

see as a possibility is to take the combination Bach remedy 4 drops 4x a

day.

You said:

I'm taking good quality multivit/min : oil of evening

primrose/starflower oils : noni juice

I was so determined to stick to this and was working really hard on

the CBT/breathing etc when I came off but I feel very frightened that

things have got so much worse. >>

* Most of the time it does get worse. That doesn't mean it will stay

that way. You really haven't been off for very long.

You said:

<<im sorry this note is so long - it does help to write it all down -

even if no one reads it all.

I have to see my dr on monday because I will have no valium left. I

know she will say that I need to go back on an SSRI. I need to be

strong when I see her to fight against it again. >>

** You don't need to fight anything. Just tell her you're doing well,

the Valium helps, and you're going to continue what you're doing. You

stopped the SSRI because you weren't feeling well on it. It's YOUR body,

Sally. Unless the Dr. has found a way to take it over and live in it for

you, YOU and ONLY YOU can make a decision about what you put in your body.

You said:

<<The SSRI charity are suggesting St JOhns Wort - basically anything

other than an SSRI- but I know that has written before

about the dangers/problems of taking powerful herbs after SSRI's.

Is that still the case after a 5 week break from the SSRI's.>>

** You can give it a try. I've just never been that impressed with it.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Dear catherine - thankyou for the reply.

Can I just check in your reply you say <<<<<However, I would raise it

to almost 3x what you take as suggested>>>>>>>

Is this just a typo - did you mean 'wouldnt'?

I managed to get all the remedies - thanks for the offer though

catherine that was really kind of you.

The charity reckon its the antioxidant qualities in Noni juice that

Anne Blake says flushes out the SSRI's. (Its VERY expensive)

I did take a 1m dose of sepia this morning! She gave it to me after

things seemed to get worse after the 200 dose she gave me yesterday.

Will this negative homeopathic effect wear off after time or have I

just caused more problems? (Thought was doing right thing by going

to qualified homeopath) I wont take anymore.

Thankyou for the advice on speaking to the dr!!

Sallyx

> Dear Sally,

>

>

> You said:

>

>

> <<I just wanted to update because the last 2 days have been the

worst

> since I came off the prozac (5 weeks off prozac now/7 months since

> switch from seroxat. Still taking 2mg valium which I only started

to

> cope with the switch.)

>

> There is a possibility that some of the symptoms are down to PMT but

> for the last 2 weeks I have been getting steadily worse and period

> not due for another 5 days or so - so dont think it can really be

> down to that.>>

>

>

> ** 2 mg. of Valium is a small dose. You don't have to be too

concerned

> about it. However, I would raise it to almost 3x what you take as

suggested

> by MIND. I also don't se the use for Noni if you are taking a good

vitamin

> and mineral supplement with high amounts of nutrients.

>

>

> You said:

>

> <<I have some of the cherry plum which will try for the anger etc.

> have also been using the other combinations of bach remedies

> catherine has suggested to me. Over the withdrawal the remedies

have

> definately helped at different stages but over the last week or so

> they just dont seem able to 'touch the symptoms'.>>

>

>

>

> ** I think you'll find the Cherry Plum very helpful for the

rage.

>

> Did you find the 3rd remedy for the comnbination? If not, I

will send

> it to you.

>

> The effects of a combination remedy are greater than the sum

of its

> parts.

>

>

> You said:

>

> <<I have seen a homeopath who is incredibly kind and helpful but if

> anything since I started the see her and take sepia my symptoms have

> intensified. (I understand that at other times this can be a 'good'

> thing in homeopath but when things are so difficult anyway it just

> makes it all harder.)>>

>

>

>

> ** Stop taking the Sepia if you are still taking it. I believe

she

> prescribed a 1M dose. This should not be done with someone in

withdrawal

> until a 30C and 200C have been tried.

>

>

>

> You said:

>

> <<Basically I am crying ALL the time. Feel desperate. No hope.

> Extreme irritability/anxiety.>>

>

>

> ** This could definitely be what's called a proving in

homeopathy. It

> means that you exhibit the very symptoms a remedy was supposed to

alleviate.

> This happenms most often in people who are very sensitive or whose

vital

> force has been weakened. Starting with a 30C is the safest way to

go

> because a 30C of anything can be easily antidoted. It is extremely

> difficult, if not impossible, to antidote a 1M dose. The only

thing I can

> see as a possibility is to take the combination Bach remedy 4 drops

4x a

> day.

>

>

> You said:

>

> I'm taking good quality multivit/min : oil of evening

> primrose/starflower oils : noni juice

>

> I was so determined to stick to this and was working really hard on

> the CBT/breathing etc when I came off but I feel very frightened

that

> things have got so much worse. >>

>

>

> * Most of the time it does get worse. That doesn't mean it

will stay

> that way. You really haven't been off for very long.

>

>

>

> You said:

>

> <<im sorry this note is so long - it does help to write it all

down -

> even if no one reads it all.

>

> I have to see my dr on monday because I will have no valium left. I

> know she will say that I need to go back on an SSRI. I need to be

> strong when I see her to fight against it again. >>

>

>

> ** You don't need to fight anything. Just tell her you're

doing well,

> the Valium helps, and you're going to continue what you're doing.

You

> stopped the SSRI because you weren't feeling well on it. It's YOUR

body,

> Sally. Unless the Dr. has found a way to take it over and live in

it for

> you, YOU and ONLY YOU can make a decision about what you put in

your body.

>

>

>

> You said:

>

> <<The SSRI charity are suggesting St JOhns Wort - basically anything

> other than an SSRI- but I know that has written before

> about the dangers/problems of taking powerful herbs after SSRI's.

> Is that still the case after a 5 week break from the SSRI's.>>

>

>

> ** You can give it a try. I've just never been that impressed

with it.

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sally,

You said:

<<The charity reckon its the antioxidant qualities in Noni juice that

Anne Blake says flushes out the SSRI's. (Its VERY expensive)>>

** This is faulty thinking. They are attributing the problems people

have to drug metabolites remaining in the body. This is not the problem.

The problem is the alteration in neurotransmitter function which profoundly

effects the autonomic nervous system. As far as antidepressants go,

metabolites are gone from the body within 5 weeks (I posted something on

this a few weeks ago with data from a study that measured metabolites after

saunas).

You said:

<<I did take a 1m dose of sepia this morning! She gave it to me after

things seemed to get worse after the 200 dose she gave me yesterday.

Will this negative homeopathic effect wear off after time or have I

just caused more problems? (Thought was doing right thing by going

to qualified homeopath) I wont take anymore.>>

** Ok, live and learn. It happens.

Rule 1 - don't ever take anything but a 30C dose if you are as physically

unstable as people in withdrawal are.

Rule 2 - Don't ever take a higher dose of a homeopathic remedy if you feel

a lower dose has caused some adverse reaction. I'm wondering where this

homeopath got her education. Whenever a dose is given there should be at

least 3 days between that and another dose. This gives time to observe the

remedy to see whether it is appropriate. Though you will seldom get a deep,

permanent cure from a 30C dose you will get some changes if the remedy is

appropriate. If it's not you won't get any change. But you never go to a

higher dose when a person has had a strong reaction to a lower dose. She

prescribes like an allopathic shrink.

There is sometimes a short exacerbation of symptoms when using a

homeopathic remedy. This should be gone within 12-24 hours and improvement

should be seen.

If absolutely no improvement is seen it is not an appropriate remedy and

should not be taken.

You asked if the negative effect will wear off in time. I hate this

question because the only answer to it is - sometimes. If it doesn't what

we need to look for is a homeopathic remedy that now covers all of the

symptoms, including new ones caused by the Sepia.

Besides the symptoms you reported, do you have any of the following

symptoms?

-- do you feel like you must always keep busy?

-- do you have flatulence?

-- frequent urge to urinate?

-- is urine scant, or very hot, or both?

-- do you have any sensations in your head or headsaches, tightness, etc?

If so, please describe.

Please describe any heart sensations to me as detailed as you can.

Thanks, Sally.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

catherine - thankyou for replying so quickly.

Thats very useful re. the noni. It does worry me re. what people are

being told. (Its not 'MIND' BTW - its a specfic SSRI charity) They

are saying that SSRIS get stored in the fat cells and so stay in the

body for a long time?????!!!!!!!!!!

The homeopath is a classical homeopath and is registered with the

main body in UK. She comes highly recommended. I now feel however

that Im getting to the stage where not only do I not trust drs but i

cant trust alternative practitioners either.

When I had my initial consultation we spoke for a long time about

the medication I had taken and the delicate state I was in as a

result (and my anxiety about taking anything now - even alternative

remedies) and I really thought she understood. She told me that

although there was no guarantee that a particular remedy would be the

right one (understandable) there were no risks associated with taking

remedies at any dose and that they definately wouldnt cause any

problems.

Re q's at bottom of your note:

- keeping busy : not at the moment because feel so 'washed out' but

normally yes - this is exactly what Im like.

-- do you have flatulence? only around period time

>

> -- frequent urge to urinate? yes often. have had this more many

years. Often disrupts sleep

>

> -- is urine scant, or very hot, or both? Scant / not hot

>

> -- do you have any sensations in your head or headsaches,

tightness, etc? Tightness in head like very tight band going

across temples.

> If so, please describe.

>

>

> Please describe any heart sensations to me as detailed as you can.

> I dont have any that I can think of.

Thanks again for all your time catherine.

Sallyx

> Dear Sally,

>

>

> You said:

>

> <<The charity reckon its the antioxidant qualities in Noni juice

that

> Anne Blake says flushes out the SSRI's. (Its VERY expensive)

>>

>

>

>

> ** This is faulty thinking. They are attributing the problems

people

> have to drug metabolites remaining in the body. This is not the

problem.

> The problem is the alteration in neurotransmitter function which

profoundly

> effects the autonomic nervous system. As far as antidepressants

go,

> metabolites are gone from the body within 5 weeks (I posted

something on

> this a few weeks ago with data from a study that measured

metabolites after

> saunas).

>

>

>

> You said:

>

> <<I did take a 1m dose of sepia this morning! She gave it to me

after

> things seemed to get worse after the 200 dose she gave me yesterday.

> Will this negative homeopathic effect wear off after time or have I

> just caused more problems? (Thought was doing right thing by going

> to qualified homeopath) I wont take anymore.>>

>

>

> ** Ok, live and learn. It happens.

>

> Rule 1 - don't ever take anything but a 30C dose if you are as

physically

> unstable as people in withdrawal are.

>

>

> Rule 2 - Don't ever take a higher dose of a homeopathic remedy if

you feel

> a lower dose has caused some adverse reaction. I'm wondering where

this

> homeopath got her education. Whenever a dose is given there should

be at

> least 3 days between that and another dose. This gives time to

observe the

> remedy to see whether it is appropriate. Though you will seldom

get a deep,

> permanent cure from a 30C dose you will get some changes if the

remedy is

> appropriate. If it's not you won't get any change. But you never

go to a

> higher dose when a person has had a strong reaction to a lower

dose. She

> prescribes like an allopathic shrink.

>

>

>

> There is sometimes a short exacerbation of symptoms when using a

> homeopathic remedy. This should be gone within 12-24 hours and

improvement

> should be seen.

>

>

> If absolutely no improvement is seen it is not an appropriate

remedy and

> should not be taken.

>

>

> You asked if the negative effect will wear off in time. I

hate this

> question because the only answer to it is - sometimes. If it

doesn't what

> we need to look for is a homeopathic remedy that now covers all of

the

> symptoms, including new ones caused by the Sepia.

>

>

> Besides the symptoms you reported, do you have any of the

following

> symptoms?

>

>

> -- do you feel like you must always keep busy?

>

> -- do you have flatulence?

>

> -- frequent urge to urinate?

>

> -- is urine scant, or very hot, or both?

>

> -- do you have any sensations in your head or headsaches,

tightness, etc?

> If so, please describe.

>

>

> Please describe any heart sensations to me as detailed as you can.

>

>

> Thanks, Sally.

>

> Regards,

>