RE: Dependence, Addiction, Tolerance Embud, or Embed

[Guest guest]

I believe that we are in a pickle. But I just remembered something... There is a

new drug called Embud or Embed which is designed to safeguard against

tampering. Aparently it is morphine sulphate(you know it will work) with a core

of naltrexone. Naltrexone is related to narcan which completely reverses the

action of an opiate. When a person overdoses on heroin, the EMT will administer

narcan, and it will be as if the person didnt ever take the drug. They literally

wake from the dead. This drug makes it useless to dissolve or crush it in order

to get a big bang or high. When taken as prescribed, you would never know you

were on a slow release long actinh morphine.the naltrexone never releases as

long as you dont chew, crush or dissolve it.

Only a severe addict with very high tolerance could do that anyway, and it would

be very very dangerous. There is just no way to know how much one pellet of this

morphine contains if taken at one time. This seems like an ingenious way to

discourage tampering, and might be the answer . Not that you would ever do it,

but this might give them a reason to trust you, ya know?

As fa as I can see it would be a win win. Perhaps you could ask the doctor if

he wou,d be willing to give it a try. It would seem to be worthless on the

street, and safe for a patient with an interesting past so to speak. Good luck.

Love, bobby

Re: Dependence, Addiction, Tolerance

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 11:01 AM

yeah Bobby, I read in there somewhere that people will " hoard " because they are

in so much pain that they are afraid that they might be left hanging and that I

can understand fully. I agree completely that it is a true injustice for anyone

to have to suffer pain when there are so many pain meds to help. Of course

people have to try whatever is recommended along with the meds, PT, lifestyle

changes and all but that should be in addition to pain med if they need it. I am

DEPENDENT and have built a TOLERANCE to the Xanax and if it were to be taken

from me I'd turn into an addict real quick without question. Like I told my PCP,

I'm not going to go thru the withdrawal ( been there, done that and HELL would

be easier to take ) and live with even worse anziety and that I'd rob a

drugstore first. I wouldn't go THAT FAR but you can believe I'd be finding Xanax

somewhere, somehow! And I'm tired of being seen as a druggie when if the idiots

would stop to

think...I've been on the exact same dosage for almost 10 yrs. now. It doesn't

help the anziety and is just enough of a " maintenance dosage " to keep from

withdrawl. He asks me what can he do for me, I say increase my dosage, he says

he can't do that. So, will be looking for a doc who can. Like I said before I

want my doctors to be looking out for my welfare and that includes helping to

make sure I don't become an addict. I'm glad you  & Sharon have a good

doc...Best wishes~~~Debbie

>

>  Hi Debbie...There is a not well known condition that is now recognized as

" pseudoaddiction " . This is when a person shows some or all of the signs of a

typical street addict, but is truly in pain, and not recieving adequate

treatment. fit right in to that catagory. He did do some very very

strange things, including hoarding. My doctor has discussed this with the both

of us.

>

>  In the past, a person would automatically fail to recieve any kind of

leniency or sympathy from judges and juries, but now days of you have artificial

knees, arthritis, back injuries etc and you do these bizarre behaviors, it is

not automatically assumed that you are seeking to be high, but rather to stop

the insanity of real physical pain.

> I do seem to be on a crusade on this subject, but it is not for my love of

taking drugs( I never ever took any kind of medicine , not even a single asprin

for any reason prior to this), but because my loved one Ardis fall off of a 12

foot wall down on to a bike path right in front of me in 1999, and was bleeding

and unconcious. She had broken her back. She lived in excruciating pain from

then on. She of course did what I did to stop the pain, drink alcohol. I believe

that she would have done things differently had she know what we know now.

Sharon and I both became familiar with Paey and another man,

Greenwood, who died from the same condition my wife suffers from, his out of

control pain caused him to have a stroke, and he died. Now his wife is trying to

get laws changed. If society wants to prosecute street addicts so agressivly,

that is one thing, but people in pain are right in the cross hairs of this war

and doctors are letting them

>  slip through the cracks, rather than  risk treating them, and who can blame

them?

> http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/453/new_dea_policy_

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Bobby,I will ask and see what he says,can't hurt.As always,you always can

cheer me up.God Bless...Hugs,

Subject: Re: Dependence, Addiction, Tolerance

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 11:01 AM

yeah Bobby, I read in there somewhere that people will " hoard " because they are

in so much pain that they are afraid that they might be left hanging and that I

can understand fully. I agree completely that it is a true injustice for anyone

to have to suffer pain when there are so many pain meds to help. Of course

people have to try whatever is recommended along with the meds, PT, lifestyle

changes and all but that should be in addition to pain med if they need it. I am

DEPENDENT and have built a TOLERANCE to the Xanax and if it were to be taken

from me I'd turn into an addict real quick without question. Like I told my PCP,

I'm not going to go thru the withdrawal ( been there, done that and HELL would

be easier to take ) and live with even worse anziety and that I'd rob a

drugstore first. I wouldn't go THAT FAR but you can believe I'd be finding Xanax

somewhere, somehow! And I'm tired of being seen as a druggie when if the idiots

would stop to

think...I've been on the exact same dosage for almost 10 yrs. now. It doesn't

help the anziety and is just enough of a " maintenance dosage " to keep from

withdrawl. He asks me what can he do for me, I say increase my dosage, he says

he can't do that. So, will be looking for a doc who can. Like I said before I

want my doctors to be looking out for my welfare and that includes helping to

make sure I don't become an addict. I'm glad you  & Sharon have a good

doc...Best wishes~~~Debbie

>

>  Hi Debbie...There is a not well known condition that is now recognized as

" pseudoaddiction " . This is when a person shows some or all of the signs of a

typical street addict, but is truly in pain, and not recieving adequate

treatment. fit right in to that catagory. He did do some very very

strange things, including hoarding. My doctor has discussed this with the both

of us.

>

>  In the past, a person would automatically fail to recieve any kind of

leniency or sympathy from judges and juries, but now days of you have artificial

knees, arthritis, back injuries etc and you do these bizarre behaviors, it is

not automatically assumed that you are seeking to be high, but rather to stop

the insanity of real physical pain.

> I do seem to be on a crusade on this subject, but it is not for my love of

taking drugs( I never ever took any kind of medicine , not even a single asprin

for any reason prior to this), but because my loved one Ardis fall off of a 12

foot wall down on to a bike path right in front of me in 1999, and was bleeding

and unconcious. She had broken her back. She lived in excruciating pain from

then on. She of course did what I did to stop the pain, drink alcohol. I believe

that she would have done things differently had she know what we know now.

Sharon and I both became familiar with Paey and another man,

Greenwood, who died from the same condition my wife suffers from, his out of

control pain caused him to have a stroke, and he died. Now his wife is trying to

get laws changed. If society wants to prosecute street addicts so agressivly,

that is one thing, but people in pain are right in the cross hairs of this war

and doctors are letting them

>  slip through the cracks, rather than  risk treating them, and who can blame

them?

> http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/453/new_dea_policy_

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[Guest guest]

Can you find the correct spelling on that I cant find it on the web,thanks.

Subject: Re: Dependence, Addiction, Tolerance

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 11:01 AM

yeah Bobby, I read in there somewhere that people will " hoard " because they are

in so much pain that they are afraid that they might be left hanging and that I

can understand fully. I agree completely that it is a true injustice for anyone

to have to suffer pain when there are so many pain meds to help. Of course

people have to try whatever is recommended along with the meds, PT, lifestyle

changes and all but that should be in addition to pain med if they need it. I am

DEPENDENT and have built a TOLERANCE to the Xanax and if it were to be taken

from me I'd turn into an addict real quick without question. Like I told my PCP,

I'm not going to go thru the withdrawal ( been there, done that and HELL would

be easier to take ) and live with even worse anziety and that I'd rob a

drugstore first. I wouldn't go THAT FAR but you can believe I'd be finding Xanax

somewhere, somehow! And I'm tired of being seen as a druggie when if the idiots

would stop to

think...I've been on the exact same dosage for almost 10 yrs. now. It doesn't

help the anziety and is just enough of a " maintenance dosage " to keep from

withdrawl. He asks me what can he do for me, I say increase my dosage, he says

he can't do that. So, will be looking for a doc who can. Like I said before I

want my doctors to be looking out for my welfare and that includes helping to

make sure I don't become an addict. I'm glad you  & Sharon have a good

doc...Best wishes~~~Debbie

>

>  Hi Debbie...There is a not well known condition that is now recognized as

" pseudoaddiction " . This is when a person shows some or all of the signs of a

typical street addict, but is truly in pain, and not recieving adequate

treatment. fit right in to that catagory. He did do some very very

strange things, including hoarding. My doctor has discussed this with the both

of us.

>

>  In the past, a person would automatically fail to recieve any kind of

leniency or sympathy from judges and juries, but now days of you have artificial

knees, arthritis, back injuries etc and you do these bizarre behaviors, it is

not automatically assumed that you are seeking to be high, but rather to stop

the insanity of real physical pain.

> I do seem to be on a crusade on this subject, but it is not for my love of

taking drugs( I never ever took any kind of medicine , not even a single asprin

for any reason prior to this), but because my loved one Ardis fall off of a 12

foot wall down on to a bike path right in front of me in 1999, and was bleeding

and unconcious. She had broken her back. She lived in excruciating pain from

then on. She of course did what I did to stop the pain, drink alcohol. I believe

that she would have done things differently had she know what we know now.

Sharon and I both became familiar with Paey and another man,

Greenwood, who died from the same condition my wife suffers from, his out of

control pain caused him to have a stroke, and he died. Now his wife is trying to

get laws changed. If society wants to prosecute street addicts so agressivly,

that is one thing, but people in pain are right in the cross hairs of this war

and doctors are letting them

>  slip through the cracks, rather than  risk treating them, and who can blame

them?

> http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/453/new_dea_policy_

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[Guest guest]

try this link.  It looks like the drug we were talking about.

 

http://www.drugs.com/nda/embeda_080229.html

Thanks for this day and for our tomorrows

 

Love, Lyncia 

 

 

From: drgonflyblue <pita54meyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Dependence, Addiction, Tolerance

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 11:01 AM

yeah Bobby, I read in there somewhere that people will " hoard " because they are

in so much pain that they are afraid that they might be left hanging and that I

can understand fully. I agree completely that it is a true injustice for anyone

to have to suffer pain when there are so many pain meds to help. Of course

people have to try whatever is recommended along with the meds, PT, lifestyle

changes and all but that should be in addition to pain med if they need it. I am

DEPENDENT and have built a TOLERANCE to the Xanax and if it were to be taken

from me I'd turn into an addict real quick without question. Like I told my PCP,

I'm not going to go thru the withdrawal ( been there, done that and HELL would

be easier to take ) and live with even worse anziety and that I'd rob a

drugstore first. I wouldn't go THAT FAR but you can believe I'd be finding Xanax

somewhere, somehow! And I'm tired of being seen as a druggie when if the idiots

would stop to

think...I've been on the exact same dosage for almost 10 yrs. now. It doesn't

help the anziety and is just enough of a " maintenance dosage " to keep from

withdrawl. He asks me what can he do for me, I say increase my dosage, he says

he can't do that. So, will be looking for a doc who can. Like I said before I

want my doctors to be looking out for my welfare and that includes helping to

make sure I don't become an addict. I'm glad you  & Sharon have a good

doc...Best wishes~~~Debbie

>

>  Hi Debbie...There is a not well known condition that is now recognized as

" pseudoaddiction " . This is when a person shows some or all of the signs of a

typical street addict, but is truly in pain, and not recieving adequate

treatment. fit right in to that catagory. He did do some very very

strange things, including hoarding. My doctor has discussed this with the both

of us.

>

>  In the past, a person would automatically fail to recieve any kind of

leniency or sympathy from judges and juries, but now days of you have artificial

knees, arthritis, back injuries etc and you do these bizarre behaviors, it is

not automatically assumed that you are seeking to be high, but rather to stop

the insanity of real physical pain.

> I do seem to be on a crusade on this subject, but it is not for my love of

taking drugs( I never ever took any kind of medicine , not even a single asprin

for any reason prior to this), but because my loved one Ardis fall off of a 12

foot wall down on to a bike path right in front of me in 1999, and was bleeding

and unconcious. She had broken her back. She lived in excruciating pain from

then on. She of course did what I did to stop the pain, drink alcohol. I believe

that she would have done things differently had she know what we know now.

Sharon and I both became familiar with Paey and another man,

Greenwood, who died from the same condition my wife suffers from, his out of

control pain caused him to have a stroke, and he died. Now his wife is trying to

get laws changed. If society wants to prosecute street addicts so agressivly,

that is one thing, but people in pain are right in the cross hairs of this war

and doctors are letting them

>  slip through the cracks, rather than  risk treating them, and who can blame

them?

> http://stopthedrugw ar.org/chronicle /453/new_ dea_policy_

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Lyncia,but for some silly reason I do believe I would still look like a

drug addict if I asked about it or mentioned it to the transplant team,you wanna

try LOL!! Hugs,

From: drgonflyblue <pita54meyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Dependence, Addiction, Tolerance

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 11:01 AM

yeah Bobby, I read in there somewhere that people will " hoard " because they are

in so much pain that they are afraid that they might be left hanging and that I

can understand fully. I agree completely that it is a true injustice for anyone

to have to suffer pain when there are so many pain meds to help. Of course

people have to try whatever is recommended along with the meds, PT, lifestyle

changes and all but that should be in addition to pain med if they need it. I am

DEPENDENT and have built a TOLERANCE to the Xanax and if it were to be taken

from me I'd turn into an addict real quick without question. Like I told my PCP,

I'm not going to go thru the withdrawal ( been there, done that and HELL would

be easier to take ) and live with even worse anziety and that I'd rob a

drugstore first. I wouldn't go THAT FAR but you can believe I'd be finding Xanax

somewhere, somehow! And I'm tired of being seen as a druggie when if the idiots

would stop to

think...I've been on the exact same dosage for almost 10 yrs. now. It doesn't

help the anziety and is just enough of a " maintenance dosage " to keep from

withdrawl. He asks me what can he do for me, I say increase my dosage, he says

he can't do that. So, will be looking for a doc who can. Like I said before I

want my doctors to be looking out for my welfare and that includes helping to

make sure I don't become an addict. I'm glad you  & Sharon have a good

doc...Best wishes~~~Debbie

>

>  Hi Debbie...There is a not well known condition that is now recognized as

" pseudoaddiction " . This is when a person shows some or all of the signs of a

typical street addict, but is truly in pain, and not recieving adequate

treatment. fit right in to that catagory. He did do some very very

strange things, including hoarding. My doctor has discussed this with the both

of us.

>

>  In the past, a person would automatically fail to recieve any kind of

leniency or sympathy from judges and juries, but now days of you have artificial

knees, arthritis, back injuries etc and you do these bizarre behaviors, it is

not automatically assumed that you are seeking to be high, but rather to stop

the insanity of real physical pain.

> I do seem to be on a crusade on this subject, but it is not for my love of

taking drugs( I never ever took any kind of medicine , not even a single asprin

for any reason prior to this), but because my loved one Ardis fall off of a 12

foot wall down on to a bike path right in front of me in 1999, and was bleeding

and unconcious. She had broken her back. She lived in excruciating pain from

then on. She of course did what I did to stop the pain, drink alcohol. I believe

that she would have done things differently had she know what we know now.

Sharon and I both became familiar with Paey and another man,

Greenwood, who died from the same condition my wife suffers from, his out of

control pain caused him to have a stroke, and he died. Now his wife is trying to

get laws changed. If society wants to prosecute street addicts so agressivly,

that is one thing, but people in pain are right in the cross hairs of this war

and doctors are letting them

>  slip through the cracks, rather than  risk treating them, and who can blame

them?

> http://stopthedrugw ar.org/chronicle /453/new_ dea_policy_

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[Guest guest]

Here is a link I believe.

It is called Embeda

http://www.centerwatch.com/drug-information/fda-approvals/drug-details.aspx?Drug\

ID=1044

Re: Dependence, Addiction, Tolerance

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 11:01 AM

yeah Bobby, I read in there somewhere that people will " hoard " because they are

in so much pain that they are afraid that they might be left hanging and that I

can understand fully. I agree completely that it is a true injustice for anyone

to have to suffer pain when there are so many pain meds to help. Of course

people have to try whatever is recommended along with the meds, PT, lifestyle

changes and all but that should be in addition to pain med if they need it. I am

DEPENDENT and have built a TOLERANCE to the Xanax and if it were

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[Guest guest]

OK I will ask my transplant team

 

Thanks for this day and for our tomorrows

 

Love, Lyncia 

 

 

From: drgonflyblue <pita54meyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Dependence, Addiction, Tolerance

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 11:01 AM

yeah Bobby, I read in there somewhere that people will " hoard " because they are

in so much pain that they are afraid that they might be left hanging and that I

can understand fully. I agree completely that it is a true injustice for anyone

to have to suffer pain when there are so many pain meds to help. Of course

people have to try whatever is recommended along with the meds, PT, lifestyle

changes and all but that should be in addition to pain med if they need it. I am

DEPENDENT and have built a TOLERANCE to the Xanax and if it were to be taken

from me I'd turn into an addict real quick without question. Like I told my PCP,

I'm not going to go thru the withdrawal ( been there, done that and HELL would

be easier to take ) and live with even worse anziety and that I'd rob a

drugstore first. I wouldn't go THAT FAR but you can believe I'd be finding Xanax

somewhere, somehow! And I'm tired of being seen as a druggie when if the idiots

would stop to

think...I've been on the exact same dosage for almost 10 yrs. now. It doesn't

help the anziety and is just enough of a " maintenance dosage " to keep from

withdrawl. He asks me what can he do for me, I say increase my dosage, he says

he can't do that. So, will be looking for a doc who can. Like I said before I

want my doctors to be looking out for my welfare and that includes helping to

make sure I don't become an addict. I'm glad you  & Sharon have a good

doc...Best wishes~~~Debbie

>

>  Hi Debbie...There is a not well known condition that is now recognized as

" pseudoaddiction " . This is when a person shows some or all of the signs of a

typical street addict, but is truly in pain, and not recieving adequate

treatment. fit right in to that catagory. He did do some very very

strange things, including hoarding. My doctor has discussed this with the both

of us.

>

>  In the past, a person would automatically fail to recieve any kind of

leniency or sympathy from judges and juries, but now days of you have artificial

knees, arthritis, back injuries etc and you do these bizarre behaviors, it is

not automatically assumed that you are seeking to be high, but rather to stop

the insanity of real physical pain.

> I do seem to be on a crusade on this subject, but it is not for my love of

taking drugs( I never ever took any kind of medicine , not even a single asprin

for any reason prior to this), but because my loved one Ardis fall off of a 12

foot wall down on to a bike path right in front of me in 1999, and was bleeding

and unconcious. She had broken her back. She lived in excruciating pain from

then on. She of course did what I did to stop the pain, drink alcohol. I believe

that she would have done things differently had she know what we know now.

Sharon and I both became familiar with Paey and another man,

Greenwood, who died from the same condition my wife suffers from, his out of

control pain caused him to have a stroke, and he died. Now his wife is trying to

get laws changed. If society wants to prosecute street addicts so agressivly,

that is one thing, but people in pain are right in the cross hairs of this war

and doctors are letting them

>  slip through the cracks, rather than  risk treating them, and who can blame

them?

> http://stopthedrugw ar.org/chronicle /453/new_ dea_policy_

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[Guest guest]

Lovely! I am a scardy cat Just being listed, I feel intimidated still. I'm sure

over time I will feel more comfortable,they are a great bunch.  Hugs, 

From: drgonflyblue <pita54meyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Dependence, Addiction, Tolerance

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 11:01 AM

yeah Bobby, I read in there somewhere that people will " hoard " because they are

in so much pain that they are afraid that they might be left hanging and that I

can understand fully. I agree completely that it is a true injustice for anyone

to have to suffer pain when there are so many pain meds to help. Of course

people have to try whatever is recommended along with the meds, PT, lifestyle

changes and all but that should be in addition to pain med if they need it. I am

DEPENDENT and have built a TOLERANCE to the Xanax and if it were to be taken

from me I'd turn into an addict real quick without question. Like I told my PCP,

I'm not going to go thru the withdrawal ( been there, done that and HELL would

be easier to take ) and live with even worse anziety and that I'd rob a

drugstore first. I wouldn't go THAT FAR but you can believe I'd be finding Xanax

somewhere, somehow! And I'm tired of being seen as a druggie when if the idiots

would stop to

think...I've been on the exact same dosage for almost 10 yrs. now. It doesn't

help the anziety and is just enough of a " maintenance dosage " to keep from

withdrawl. He asks me what can he do for me, I say increase my dosage, he says

he can't do that. So, will be looking for a doc who can. Like I said before I

want my doctors to be looking out for my welfare and that includes helping to

make sure I don't become an addict. I'm glad you  & Sharon have a good

doc...Best wishes~~~Debbie

>

>  Hi Debbie...There is a not well known condition that is now recognized as

" pseudoaddiction " . This is when a person shows some or all of the signs of a

typical street addict, but is truly in pain, and not recieving adequate

treatment. fit right in to that catagory. He did do some very very

strange things, including hoarding. My doctor has discussed this with the both

of us.

>

>  In the past, a person would automatically fail to recieve any kind of

leniency or sympathy from judges and juries, but now days of you have artificial

knees, arthritis, back injuries etc and you do these bizarre behaviors, it is

not automatically assumed that you are seeking to be high, but rather to stop

the insanity of real physical pain.

> I do seem to be on a crusade on this subject, but it is not for my love of

taking drugs( I never ever took any kind of medicine , not even a single asprin

for any reason prior to this), but because my loved one Ardis fall off of a 12

foot wall down on to a bike path right in front of me in 1999, and was bleeding

and unconcious. She had broken her back. She lived in excruciating pain from

then on. She of course did what I did to stop the pain, drink alcohol. I believe

that she would have done things differently had she know what we know now.

Sharon and I both became familiar with Paey and another man,

Greenwood, who died from the same condition my wife suffers from, his out of

control pain caused him to have a stroke, and he died. Now his wife is trying to

get laws changed. If society wants to prosecute street addicts so agressivly,

that is one thing, but people in pain are right in the cross hairs of this war

and doctors are letting them

>  slip through the cracks, rather than  risk treating them, and who can blame

them?

> http://stopthedrugw ar.org/chronicle /453/new_ dea_policy_

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