Guest guest Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 I was on Seroxat initially for severe depression. I had been on a number of drugs prviously dothiepin, anafranil, anti physychotic drugs in hospital. I had a period of about two years off the drug before I started them again. Suffering from anxiety and panic attacks, lots of stress at work, moving house, lots of work needed doing on house. I have now secured a less stressful job and the house is slowly getting there. I didnt feel particularly depressed at the start. I have always had very bad pmt from being a teenager, but om different forms, sometimes weepy, sometimes aggressive, but not anxious and panicky. i also suffer from very bad night sweats when my period is due because of the menopause. Thanks Jean For Jean Dear Welcome to the group :-) Please bear with me while I respond to yourquestion with more questions. This will help me fully understand yourproblem. You said:<<I have just been given the chance to join this group via Colin. Although Ihave ony recently started on Seroxat, I appreciate the advice and commentsthat come through. I was on the drug previously for three or four years anddid not experience great problems coming off it. I am now back on it foranxiety and panic attacks for the last four weeks. >> ** 1) Why were you initially on it? 2) Did you ever take a drug of this sort prior to first takingSeroxat? 3) How long were you off it before you began taking it again thistime?You said:<< Initially I had very bad side effects but these have now worn off. Theproblem at this moment is my period is due and I feel absolutely dreadful,anxious and panicky. I have diazapem 5 mg for emergencies but I am loatheto take them. >> ** Have you ever experienced this condition before in relation to yourperiod? You said:<< Do you have any advise that may help. I do not intend to stay onmedication longer than six months hopefully but this time my symptoms aredifferent to last time so I will have to wait and see. Thanks for any helpyou can give.>> ** Yes, I do know what would help given what you've said so far (98%sure here unless you give me some answers to the above questions that I'mnot anticipating). The "very bad side effects" you had were messages yourbody was delivering to you telling you that the drug was doing things to youthat were harmful to the normal functioning of your body. What would helpwould be to not take the drug. These types of drugs manipulate neurotransmitters. Someneurotransmitters, like serotonin, affect estrogen. When you alterserotonin in your body with Seroxat you are also altering estrogen. Whenyou alter serotonin youn are actually altering your entire hormonal system. I look forward to your responses. Perhaps we can address the anxietyand panic attacks rather than the unnecessary adverse effects Seroxat ishaving on you. You also asked about magnesium and calcium in another email. You said:<<Can you please advise as to how much of these I should take and when.>> ** Take a look in our files athttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files/ Click on SUPPLEMENTS, then click on MAGNESIUM & CALCIUM While you are in the files section also take a look at:ACONITUM NAPELLUS - Homeopathic remedy.htm This is for panic attacks only, not anxiety. With more information I'msure I can make some suggestions to you regarding the anxiety.Regards,To subscribe to the off-topic list go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 You could cut the pill in half that will give you 2 x10mg then take one of those and try to quarter it that way you will get close leave out one of the little quarters that makes 171/2mg.Or dissolve the other half in water cathrine knows more about this. Ros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Dear I have started to taper off the Seroxat as from Wednesday, did not take one, took 20 on Thursday, 10mg on Friday and 20 today. Not sure if I am going about this the right way, feel very anxious today, had to take 5mg diazapam. Can you advise me of the best course of action to take. Alos started my period which hasnt helped because I always feel dreadful physically and very emotional just want to stay in bedroom out of the way. Please help me Thanks Jean For Jean Dear Welcome to the group :-) Please bear with me while I respond to yourquestion with more questions. This will help me fully understand yourproblem. You said:<<I have just been given the chance to join this group via Colin. Although Ihave ony recently started on Seroxat, I appreciate the advice and commentsthat come through. I was on the drug previously for three or four years anddid not experience great problems coming off it. I am now back on it foranxiety and panic attacks for the last four weeks. >> ** 1) Why were you initially on it? 2) Did you ever take a drug of this sort prior to first takingSeroxat? 3) How long were you off it before you began taking it again thistime?You said:<< Initially I had very bad side effects but these have now worn off. Theproblem at this moment is my period is due and I feel absolutely dreadful,anxious and panicky. I have diazapem 5 mg for emergencies but I am loatheto take them. >> ** Have you ever experienced this condition before in relation to yourperiod? You said:<< Do you have any advise that may help. I do not intend to stay onmedication longer than six months hopefully but this time my symptoms aredifferent to last time so I will have to wait and see. Thanks for any helpyou can give.>> ** Yes, I do know what would help given what you've said so far (98%sure here unless you give me some answers to the above questions that I'mnot anticipating). The "very bad side effects" you had were messages yourbody was delivering to you telling you that the drug was doing things to youthat were harmful to the normal functioning of your body. What would helpwould be to not take the drug. These types of drugs manipulate neurotransmitters. Someneurotransmitters, like serotonin, affect estrogen. When you alterserotonin in your body with Seroxat you are also altering estrogen. Whenyou alter serotonin youn are actually altering your entire hormonal system. I look forward to your responses. Perhaps we can address the anxietyand panic attacks rather than the unnecessary adverse effects Seroxat ishaving on you. You also asked about magnesium and calcium in another email. You said:<<Can you please advise as to how much of these I should take and when.>> ** Take a look in our files athttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files/ Click on SUPPLEMENTS, then click on MAGNESIUM & CALCIUM While you are in the files section also take a look at:ACONITUM NAPELLUS - Homeopathic remedy.htm This is for panic attacks only, not anxiety. With more information I'msure I can make some suggestions to you regarding the anxiety.Regards,To subscribe to the off-topic list go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Dear You said: <<I have started to taper off the Seroxat as from Wednesday, did not take one, took 20 on Thursday, 10mg on Friday and 20 today. Not sure if I am going about this the right way, feel very anxious today, had to take 5mg diazapam. Can you advise me of the best course of action to take. Alos started my period which hasnt helped because I always feel dreadful physically and very emotional just want to stay in bedroom out of the way.>> ** In my experience, this is not a good way to do it. You're yanking your chemistry all over the place. A slow, gradual withdrawal will work best. Try cutting down to 18 mg. Take it daily. WAit until you feel okay, then cut down 2 more mg. In the meantime, get some nutrients into your body. Take a look in our FILES for suggestions on vitamins, minerals, magnesium, and calcium. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files/ Please feel free to ask for any clarification you may need, and remember, you don't have to do this alone. Reach out and ask for the support. Someone is always ready to listen. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 How do I cut down to eighteen, tablets 20 mg, wil break in half Re: For Jean Dear You said:<<I have started to taper off the Seroxat as from Wednesday, did not takeone, took 20 on Thursday, 10mg on Friday and 20 today. Not sure if I amgoing about this the right way, feel very anxious today, had to take 5mgdiazapam. Can you advise me of the best course of action to take. Alosstarted my period which hasnt helped because I always feel dreadfulphysically and very emotional just want to stay in bedroom out of the way.>> ** In my experience, this is not a good way to do it. You're yankingyour chemistry all over the place. A slow, gradual withdrawal will workbest. Try cutting down to 18 mg. Take it daily. WAit until you feel okay, thencut down 2 more mg. In the meantime, get some nutrients into your body.Take a look in our FILES for suggestions on vitamins, minerals, magnesium,and calcium.http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files/ Please feel free to ask for any clarification you may need, and remember,you don't have to do this alone. Reach out and ask for the support.Someone is always ready to listen.Regards,To subscribe to the off-topic list go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 I dont wish to appear rude, but I would like to know if you have any medical qualifications in natural medicine as i am very sceptical about it. Jean Re: For Jean Dear You said:<<I have started to taper off the Seroxat as from Wednesday, did not takeone, took 20 on Thursday, 10mg on Friday and 20 today. Not sure if I amgoing about this the right way, feel very anxious today, had to take 5mgdiazapam. Can you advise me of the best course of action to take. Alosstarted my period which hasnt helped because I always feel dreadfulphysically and very emotional just want to stay in bedroom out of the way.>> ** In my experience, this is not a good way to do it. You're yankingyour chemistry all over the place. A slow, gradual withdrawal will workbest. Try cutting down to 18 mg. Take it daily. WAit until you feel okay, thencut down 2 more mg. In the meantime, get some nutrients into your body.Take a look in our FILES for suggestions on vitamins, minerals, magnesium,and calcium.http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files/ Please feel free to ask for any clarification you may need, and remember,you don't have to do this alone. Reach out and ask for the support.Someone is always ready to listen.Regards,To subscribe to the off-topic list go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Dear You said: <<I dont wish to appear rude, but I would like to know if you have any medical qualifications in natural medicine as i am very sceptical about it.>> ** I have close to 20 years of working professionally with the issue of psychotropic drugs. I will pit my knowledge of these drugs, their effects on the neurological system, and natural medicine to address these problems against anyone else's knowledge. I'm curious why you joined the group f you are so sceptical about natural medicine. The front page of our group site states: " Our focus is on withdrawal and recovery utilizing nutrients, homeopathy, flower essences, a few herbs (most are not suited to those in early recovery), and proper diet as medicine. We also explore and support emotional and spiritual health. " I'm not going to try to convince you of the value of natural medicine. I stopped that many years ago. Honestly, it seems like a no-brainer to me. The nutrients upon which the human body relies upon for life when depleted by pharmaceutical drugs causes people to become ill. Replacing these nutrients in therapeutic doses (hospitals do it all the time with pediatric and geriatric populations) helps the body recover from the damage it has incurred. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 ok then hit we with your medical knowledge and give me natural medicines that actually work for chronic insomnia stop smoking too while we are at it > > > Date: 2004/03/28 Sun AM 09:11:21 MST > To: <Withdrawal_and_Recovery > > Subject: Re: For Jean > > J. Masley CNE,CNA,MCSE gregmasley@... gmasley@... http://www.hometown.aol.com/gmasley http://www.hometown.aol.com/roxymuzick http://www.eroxaproductions.com 2610 west serendipity circle #229 colorado springs, co 80917 Dear You said: <<I dont wish to appear rude, but I would like to know if you have any medical qualifications in natural medicine as i am very sceptical about it.>> ** I have close to 20 years of working professionally with the issue of psychotropic drugs. I will pit my knowledge of these drugs, their effects on the neurological system, and natural medicine to address these problems against anyone else's knowledge. I'm curious why you joined the group f you are so sceptical about natural medicine. The front page of our group site states: " Our focus is on withdrawal and recovery utilizing nutrients, homeopathy, flower essences, a few herbs (most are not suited to those in early recovery), and proper diet as medicine. We also explore and support emotional and spiritual health. " I'm not going to try to convince you of the value of natural medicine. I stopped that many years ago. Honestly, it seems like a no-brainer to me. The nutrients upon which the human body relies upon for life when depleted by pharmaceutical drugs causes people to become ill. Replacing these nutrients in therapeutic doses (hospitals do it all the time with pediatric and geriatric populations) helps the body recover from the damage it has incurred. Regards, To subscribe to the off-topic list go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Dear Greg, You said: <<ok then hit we with your medical knowledge and give me natural medicines that actually work for chronic insomnia stop smoking too while we are at it>> ** Okay - natural medicine for sleeping - stop taking drugs that damage the circadian rhythms and keep you from sleeping. To stop smoking - make a chart. Write doen each time you smoke for two days. After that, average out how much you smoke a day. Then dole them out to yourself according to a schedule you've made up to get in all the cigarettes during the time you are awake. It may be that you smoke 1 every half hour. Do that according to the schedule for a week. Don't smoke except on schedule. At the second week, add 10 min. more onto the time between smokes. Do this for the entire week. The following week and all subsequent weeks add 5 min. to the time in between cigarettes. It's a relatively painless way to quit. Regarding the insomina - there is cause and effect and there is no magic. If you damage circadian rhythms there is no magic pill that will make you sleep. The goal would be to stop taking all the drugs that do this and restore your nervous system with substances that help with this. You may never sleep well again but you'll sleep better than you do. This is the nature of having taken drugs like this. Most people don't sleep well afterwards for quite a while. Stop looking for quick fixes. That's what got you to where you are today. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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