Re: Dear / Kim (confidential)

[Guest guest]

Hi Sally,

It would have been fine to post this to the list. Any questions about the

more difficult effects of the drugs are really helpful, because so many

people feel uncomfortable asking them. You can bet that any question you

can come up with about anything you have experienced since beginning

withdrawal will be relevant to at least one other person on the list, if not

many more.

Keep in mind that we have over 100 members, most of whom read the list and

ask their questions, if they ask at all, in private, so anything our active

posters can ask is helpful in getting more and better info out to all the

quiet readers of the list. I so appreciate your participation!

Let me set your mind at ease: the drugs ARE causing these sensations. You

said yourself that these sensations started when you began withdrawing from

Seroxat. Sensations of this type are common among people who are taking

these drugs, and they are also common during withdrawal. I believe Glitter

has written about this at some length. Look at the archives sometime around

Christmastime, I think--there was a long conversation with Glitter and Keven

and some others who talked about these symtpoms.

I experienced them too, starting almost immediately after taking my first

psychotropic drug. I thought it was a manifestation of my " mental illness " ,

which led me to take more and stronger drugs and to become sicker and sicker

over the course of years.

These symptoms continued while I was in withdrawal, lingered for a while

after I finished withdrawal, but soon began diminishing, and were completely

gone by the time I was a year post-drug.

You said:

<<I am terrified that this is either a permanent brain damage effect

from the ssri's or that it is actually the sign that I do have some

kind of serious mental illness that is simply getting worse because

it isnt being controlled by SSRI's

(now down to 8mg prozac / 1 1/2mg valium perday after switch from

seroxat.)>>

I don't think it's either one of these things. I think it's a temporary

effect common with SSRIs, and I think it will go away in time. You may find

that it improves dramatically when you understand it's a transitory drug

effect that has nothing to do with YOU. It somehow takes some of the power

away from the symptoms when you know the truth about them.

Please be assured, it's not YOU, it's the DRUGS!!

It will get better.

Are you taking any fish oil? I found it to be very helpful for symptoms of

this type. We have a file in the Files section that talks about brands of

fish oil and the dosages recommends.

Hang in there, sweetie. You're gonna be fine!

Hugs,

Kim

(I have only put this as confidential because I dont know if asking

such a personal question is ok on the general board when I know you

like to keep it informative for everyone.)

I would really just like to get your view and reassurance if thats at

all possible on something that is really really worrying me.

For the last year (since the start of my last withdrawal attempt from

seroxat) I ve had very frightening obsessive thoughts (like waking

nightmares). Its like a sensation that someone is touching or

hurting my neck and sometimes I see items that might be used to hurt

me.

(Im finding it very diffcult to write this down.)

I am terrified that this is either a permanent brain damage effect

from the ssri's or that it is actually the sign that I do have some

kind of serious mental illness that is simply getting worse because

it isnt being controlled by SSRI's

(now down to 8mg prozac / 1 1/2mg valium perday after switch from

seroxat.)

Im not sure theres anything you can really say to me but I just

wanted to ask you about it

[Guest guest]

Dear Kim - thankyou for the reply. It really does help to hear from

others who have been there.

Re. Fish oils. I was trying to keep my regime as 'simple' as

possible so that I didnt get confused as to what was helping and what

wasnt but am just about to start fish oils and calcium/manesium.

Thanks again for all your advice

Sallyx

> Hi Sally,

>

>

> It would have been fine to post this to the list. Any questions

about the

> more difficult effects of the drugs are really helpful, because so

many

> people feel uncomfortable asking them. You can bet that any

question you

> can come up with about anything you have experienced since beginning

> withdrawal will be relevant to at least one other person on the

list, if not

> many more.

>

>

> Keep in mind that we have over 100 members, most of whom read the

list and

> ask their questions, if they ask at all, in private, so anything

our active

> posters can ask is helpful in getting more and better info out to

all the

> quiet readers of the list. I so appreciate your participation!

>

>

> Let me set your mind at ease: the drugs ARE causing these

sensations. You

> said yourself that these sensations started when you began

withdrawing from

> Seroxat. Sensations of this type are common among people who are

taking

> these drugs, and they are also common during withdrawal. I believe

Glitter

> has written about this at some length. Look at the archives

sometime around

> Christmastime, I think--there was a long conversation with Glitter

and Keven

> and some others who talked about these symtpoms.

>

>

> I experienced them too, starting almost immediately after taking my

first

> psychotropic drug. I thought it was a manifestation of my " mental

illness " ,

> which led me to take more and stronger drugs and to become sicker

and sicker

> over the course of years.

>

>

> These symptoms continued while I was in withdrawal, lingered for a

while

> after I finished withdrawal, but soon began diminishing, and were

completely

> gone by the time I was a year post-drug.

>

> You said:

>

> <<I am terrified that this is either a permanent brain damage effect

> from the ssri's or that it is actually the sign that I do have some

> kind of serious mental illness that is simply getting worse because

> it isnt being controlled by SSRI's

> (now down to 8mg prozac / 1 1/2mg valium perday after switch from

> seroxat.)>>

>

>

> I don't think it's either one of these things. I think it's a

temporary

> effect common with SSRIs, and I think it will go away in time. You

may find

> that it improves dramatically when you understand it's a transitory

drug

> effect that has nothing to do with YOU. It somehow takes some of

the power

> away from the symptoms when you know the truth about them.

>

>

>

> Please be assured, it's not YOU, it's the DRUGS!!

>

>

> It will get better.

>

>

> Are you taking any fish oil? I found it to be very helpful for

symptoms of

> this type. We have a file in the Files section that talks about

brands of

> fish oil and the dosages recommends.

>

>

> Hang in there, sweetie. You're gonna be fine!

>

>

> Hugs,

> Kim

>

> (I have only put this as confidential because I dont know if asking

> such a personal question is ok on the general board when I know you

> like to keep it informative for everyone.)

>

> I would really just like to get your view and reassurance if thats

at

> all possible on something that is really really worrying me.

>

> For the last year (since the start of my last withdrawal attempt

from

> seroxat) I ve had very frightening obsessive thoughts (like waking

> nightmares). Its like a sensation that someone is touching or

> hurting my neck and sometimes I see items that might be used to hurt

> me.

> (Im finding it very diffcult to write this down.)

>

> I am terrified that this is either a permanent brain damage effect

> from the ssri's or that it is actually the sign that I do have some

> kind of serious mental illness that is simply getting worse because

> it isnt being controlled by SSRI's

> (now down to 8mg prozac / 1 1/2mg valium perday after switch from

> seroxat.)

>

> Im not sure theres anything you can really say to me but I just

> wanted to ask you about it

[Guest guest]

Dear Sally,

You said:

<<Re. Fish oils. I was trying to keep my regime as 'simple' as

possible so that I didnt get confused as to what was helping and what

wasnt but am just about to start fish oils and calcium/manesium.>>

** Though it might be preferable to keep things simple it's not

practical when you're trying to recover.

In most cases you're not going to see isolated nutrients produce a

profound effect that you notice. There are exceptions like magnesium and

calcium for mellowing you out. But if you want that magnesium and calcium

to work at a deeper level where true healing begins, understanding that

nutrients compliment each other and make each other more effective.

We have to get away from the allopathic thinking that if we take one

substance we should feel it. This is how people feel on pharmaceutical

drugs. The nutrients that are native to your body will not do that. What

they WILL do is restore proper functioning to your body over a period of

time.

A broken bone takes time to heal. No matter what you take, it's not going

to be healed next week. Your brain needs to be considered the same way.

I'm aggressive in promoting the use of full spectrum high quality

nutrients because I believe there is a window of opportunity to heal more

fully than one otherwise might. This is what my experiences seem to

indicate.

Regards,