Re: Questions about class action suit, my trip to Dr. Kolb, etc.

December 3, 2005

Cosima, Oh my goodness, what a mess. I am so sorry for your

situation. I live close to Atlanta and if you need anything even a

friend I will gladly come up to help you and your family when you

have surgery. How many kids do you have? You have emailed me before

and I hope you keep in touch. I know all about the money and we

weren't approved for the financing so we have to use our retirement

funds and our tax return, I have no choice but to wait and hope I

don't get sick inbetween now and February. Please let me know if I

can help.

BIG HUGS,

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I have a question about the class action suit for silicone breast

> implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and what would

it

> take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole situation

> after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I never

> would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic surgeon who

> put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the safe

> kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however, I do

blame

> myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it wasn't

> necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have swollen

lymph

> glands all over my body,indicating that the infection isn't just

> localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over the last

few

> days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due to

extreme

> fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I can't

remember

> anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to just tell

my

> husband the info and instructions and I couldn't remember a lot of

> informations on the questions she was asking me. My surgery is

> scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get one of the

> financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with all the

meds,

> tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to check

during

> surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this first)

it's

> going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild symmastia

> wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would be enough

to

> correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the dr.visit, tests,

> meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts but I

don't

> think i can even tolerate anything touching them right now.

needless

> to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't have any

> christmas this year but hopefully they would still have a mother,

> even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for next

month's

> budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan money. i

> haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband has to try

and

> find extra income which means he also won't be at home to help

me.I

> won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st. I've never

felt

> so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not the surgery

> that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the hysterectomy I

had

> with complications was one of the worst but this is worse than

that

> to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr. Kolb wants

me

> to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the pharmacist

> didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband came

home, i

> found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must be some

> mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it to him

for. I

> know this man from church and all I can say is that God must've

been

> looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have charged me all

> that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400 or more

> payment every month for the financing- the interest is really high

on

> some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has anyone else

here

> had such a severe infection with the implants? I really think the

> manufacturers should be held accountable for these implants same

as

> the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in in 1995

> never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they be allowed

to

> use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont

understand

> it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

>

December 3, 2005

Oh Cosima, my heart goes out to you right now. I pray that all the

pieces come together for you, and I really think it's significant

that your surgery is at the very end of a year - perhaps indicating

that next year is a new beginning for you. I'm so sorry that you're

getting sicker by the minute, and I am sending some positive

thoughts and prayers your way.

I charged my original implant surgery on a 0% interest credit card.

The explant surgery came out of my severance pay that I got when I

lost my job. In total I paid a little over $13,000 in six months,

first to have the bombs put in, then to have the bombs taken out.

It really does make me angry that the corporations are allowed to do

this to us - and our own government is allowing it.

I wish you the best, and I'm thankful that you found this group and

that you're in Dr. Kolb's hands, she's helped alot of women. Good

luck and God Bless.

Sis

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I have a question about the class action suit for silicone breast

> implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and what would

it

> take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole situation

> after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I never

> would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic surgeon who

> put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the safe

> kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however, I do

blame

> myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it wasn't

> necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have swollen

lymph

> glands all over my body,indicating that the infection isn't just

> localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over the last

few

> days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due to

extreme

> fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I can't

remember

> anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to just tell

my

> husband the info and instructions and I couldn't remember a lot of

> informations on the questions she was asking me. My surgery is

> scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get one of the

> financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with all the

meds,

> tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to check

during

> surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this first)

it's

> going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild symmastia

> wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would be enough

to

> correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the dr.visit, tests,

> meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts but I

don't

> think i can even tolerate anything touching them right now.

needless

> to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't have any

> christmas this year but hopefully they would still have a mother,

> even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for next

month's

> budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan money. i

> haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband has to try

and

> find extra income which means he also won't be at home to help

me.I

> won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st. I've never

felt

> so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not the surgery

> that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the hysterectomy I

had

> with complications was one of the worst but this is worse than

that

> to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr. Kolb wants

me

> to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the pharmacist

> didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband came

home, i

> found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must be some

> mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it to him

for. I

> know this man from church and all I can say is that God must've

been

> looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have charged me all

> that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400 or more

> payment every month for the financing- the interest is really high

on

> some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has anyone else

here

> had such a severe infection with the implants? I really think the

> manufacturers should be held accountable for these implants same

as

> the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in in 1995

> never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they be allowed

to

> use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont

understand

> it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

>

December 3, 2005

Cosima, my situation was similar to yours. We had less than nothing,

were in debt to begin with, and had to borrow themoney for my

surgery. I was lucky that I recovered well enough to now be able to

bring in a little bit of an income. There are no gaurantees, but

after the surgery you will have a much better chance of physically

being able to contribute to reuilding our household income.

As for the expensive supplements... Dr. Kolb has a pretty specific

protocol, but there is no reason why you HAVE to spend that money

and do her plan right away. There are many of us who could not begin

to afford such a regimen. I have used very few supplements, mostly

diet changes, with really great results. Once ou regain some of your

health and you get more income then you can start taking some of the

supplements she reccommends. But please do not let the thought of

that stress you out right now. It is more important for you to just

get the surgery and then slowly work your way back to a normal life.

I know you are under a great deal of stress, especially since this

is the holiday season. We have all been there, and I am still

stressing out over my tremendous debt! But now I have hope that I am

able to work towards a full recovery and a normal income. It takes a

great deal of faith and baby steps to make it through this process.

Breathe deeply and do the best you can to stay calm and take things

one step at a time. Somehow it will all work out, you just have to

believe that it will.

Big hugs,

December 3, 2005

thanks for that info . I was afraid that Dr.Kolb wouldn't do

the surgery without me taking those supplements. she never said that

but I was afraid they were mandatory.I wish I could get them. I seem

to be getting sicker every day. More swollen lymph glands appear,

chills,etc. I'm afraid I won't even be fit to travel when the time

comes for surgery even after taking the antibiotic and diflucan.

>

> Cosima, my situation was similar to yours. We had less than

nothing,

> were in debt to begin with, and had to borrow themoney for my

> surgery. I was lucky that I recovered well enough to now be able to

> bring in a little bit of an income. There are no gaurantees, but

> after the surgery you will have a much better chance of physically

> being able to contribute to reuilding our household income.

>

> As for the expensive supplements... Dr. Kolb has a pretty specific

> protocol, but there is no reason why you HAVE to spend that money

> and do her plan right away. There are many of us who could not

begin

> to afford such a regimen. I have used very few supplements, mostly

> diet changes, with really great results. Once ou regain some of

your

> health and you get more income then you can start taking some of

the

> supplements she reccommends. But please do not let the thought of

> that stress you out right now. It is more important for you to just

> get the surgery and then slowly work your way back to a normal

life.

>

> I know you are under a great deal of stress, especially since this

> is the holiday season. We have all been there, and I am still

> stressing out over my tremendous debt! But now I have hope that I

am

> able to work towards a full recovery and a normal income. It takes

a

> great deal of faith and baby steps to make it through this process.

> Breathe deeply and do the best you can to stay calm and take things

> one step at a time. Somehow it will all work out, you just have to

> believe that it will.

>

> Big hugs,

>

December 3, 2005

thanks for your kind support and prayers, sis. i need all the prayers

I can get right now. I'm afraid my husband and I don't have a credit

card with a limit that would accommodate the all the costs.The one he

has is only a $1000, which he has used responsibly for several years

but I still fear not being able to get these out. If all else fails,

I may just have to go to a teaching hospital and beg for help and

hope they can do what needs to be done instead of lock me up in some

psych hospital because they don't aknowledge that saline breast

implants cause any problems.I just hope that Dr. Kolb can offer some

other solution, if this can't be financed. If not, I'll try teaching

hospitals and if nothing can be done there, I guess I'd appeal to

Oprah or somebody to find a solution. I'm that desperate. I've been

plenty sick before. I'm no stranger to that.I've had 24 surgeries

already. But I've never felt this sick nor this scared before.Nor

this hopeless.and like it's all my fault for ever doing it in the

first place.I'm just afraid, if this can't be done, i'll end up being

just another forgotten statistic and that i won't have the will the

live because i don't want to sit around waiting for whatever else

could happen next.I asked Dr. Kolb what happens if I can't afford the

surgery and she said that I could take the cipro and diflucan and

that would probably help the infection until the next time.That was

all she said.

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I have a question about the class action suit for silicone breast

> > implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and what would

> it

> > take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole

situation

> > after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I never

> > would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic surgeon

who

> > put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the safe

> > kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however, I do

> blame

> > myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it wasn't

> > necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have swollen

> lymph

> > glands all over my body,indicating that the infection isn't just

> > localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over the last

> few

> > days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due to

> extreme

> > fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I can't

> remember

> > anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to just

tell

> my

> > husband the info and instructions and I couldn't remember a lot

of

> > informations on the questions she was asking me. My surgery is

> > scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get one of the

> > financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with all the

> meds,

> > tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to check

> during

> > surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this first)

> it's

> > going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild symmastia

> > wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would be enough

> to

> > correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the dr.visit, tests,

> > meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts but I

> don't

> > think i can even tolerate anything touching them right now.

> needless

> > to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't have any

> > christmas this year but hopefully they would still have a mother,

> > even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for next

> month's

> > budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan money. i

> > haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband has to try

> and

> > find extra income which means he also won't be at home to help

> me.I

> > won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st. I've never

> felt

> > so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not the surgery

> > that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the hysterectomy I

> had

> > with complications was one of the worst but this is worse than

> that

> > to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr. Kolb

wants

> me

> > to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the pharmacist

> > didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband came

> home, i

> > found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must be some

> > mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it to him

> for. I

> > know this man from church and all I can say is that God must've

> been

> > looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have charged me all

> > that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400 or more

> > payment every month for the financing- the interest is really

high

> on

> > some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has anyone else

> here

> > had such a severe infection with the implants? I really think the

> > manufacturers should be held accountable for these implants same

> as

> > the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in in 1995

> > never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they be

allowed

> to

> > use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont

> understand

> > it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

> >

>

December 3, 2005

I had a very differant experience with Dr. Kolb. She did not not

tell me to buy any supplements. She just gave me the list and told

me which pill was for what and that was it, she really didn't push

any of it on me. I did not buy any of them because of the money

situation as well. (we had to borrow the money too and use our

honeymoon money as well...as a joke we said that Atlanta was our

honeymoon...LOL, poor hubby) anyhow, I just got the mandatory stuff

(antibiotics and diflucan) and that is it. I am feeling so much

better so I don't think I will ever do the supplements. Hopefully

you will have good results like me so you won't have to spend more

$$$. Dr. Kolb is so wonderful. I remember waking up from surgery and

she was doing her holistic healing over me with her hands. It was

such a warm feeling. She almost looked like an angel to me. I know

that sounds wierd but that woman is quite amazining. Before I got on

the road to travel back to OH she opened up the office for me on the

weekend and came in there herself to see me. I was stressed because

i had to keep the tubes in for the ride home and she could tell. She

asked me if I wanted her to do some healing and I said YES! I am not

sure what the holistic technique is called but she placed her hands

about 5 inches above my breasts and moved them in a circular motion,

she concentrated more on my left side where my infection was. The

heat and energy from her was amazing. I know it may be in my head

(my husband thinks I am nuts) but I felt so much more relaxed and my

spirit was calmed for the ride home. You are in good hands.

> >

> > Cosima, my situation was similar to yours. We had less than

> nothing,

> > were in debt to begin with, and had to borrow themoney for my

> > surgery. I was lucky that I recovered well enough to now be able

to

> > bring in a little bit of an income. There are no gaurantees, but

> > after the surgery you will have a much better chance of

physically

> > being able to contribute to reuilding our household income.

> >

> > As for the expensive supplements... Dr. Kolb has a pretty

specific

> > protocol, but there is no reason why you HAVE to spend that

money

> > and do her plan right away. There are many of us who could not

> begin

> > to afford such a regimen. I have used very few supplements,

mostly

> > diet changes, with really great results. Once ou regain some of

> your

> > health and you get more income then you can start taking some of

> the

> > supplements she reccommends. But please do not let the thought

of

> > that stress you out right now. It is more important for you to

just

> > get the surgery and then slowly work your way back to a normal

> life.

> >

> > I know you are under a great deal of stress, especially since

this

> > is the holiday season. We have all been there, and I am still

> > stressing out over my tremendous debt! But now I have hope that

I

> am

> > able to work towards a full recovery and a normal income. It

takes

> a

> > great deal of faith and baby steps to make it through this

process.

> > Breathe deeply and do the best you can to stay calm and take

things

> > one step at a time. Somehow it will all work out, you just have

to

> > believe that it will.

> >

> > Big hugs,

> >

>

December 3, 2005

OMG, Jenna, how I wished I could've gotten some of that healing the

other day when I went for my consult because I hurt so bad. I didn't

mean to say that she pushed any supplements on me.She didn't. I just

took it as being mandatory.I did wonder though why she said the

symmastia wouldn't need to be repaired because I had read that it had

to always be repaired even if it's mild like mine.but I'm not going

to worry about it because I figure that if she gets in there during

surgery and sees a problem with it that doesn't look like the

explantation alone is going to fix it, she's take care of it. but

that may well mean an unexpected added expense I didn't plan on

unless she won't fix it without the repair being paid for ahead of

time.either way, my chest muscle is the least of the worries.

> >

> > thanks for that info . I was afraid that Dr.Kolb wouldn't

> do

> > the surgery without me taking those supplements. she never said

> that

> > but I was afraid they were mandatory.I wish I could get them. I

> seem

> > to be getting sicker every day. More swollen lymph glands appear,

> > chills,etc. I'm afraid I won't even be fit to travel when the

time

> > comes for surgery even after taking the antibiotic and diflucan.

> >

> > --- In , " ktitko " <ktitko@y...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Cosima, my situation was similar to yours. We had less than

> > nothing,

> > > were in debt to begin with, and had to borrow themoney for my

> > > surgery. I was lucky that I recovered well enough to now be

able

> to

> > > bring in a little bit of an income. There are no gaurantees,

but

> > > after the surgery you will have a much better chance of

> physically

> > > being able to contribute to reuilding our household income.

> > >

> > > As for the expensive supplements... Dr. Kolb has a pretty

> specific

> > > protocol, but there is no reason why you HAVE to spend that

> money

> > > and do her plan right away. There are many of us who could not

> > begin

> > > to afford such a regimen. I have used very few supplements,

> mostly

> > > diet changes, with really great results. Once ou regain some of

> > your

> > > health and you get more income then you can start taking some

of

> > the

> > > supplements she reccommends. But please do not let the thought

> of

> > > that stress you out right now. It is more important for you to

> just

> > > get the surgery and then slowly work your way back to a normal

> > life.

> > >

> > > I know you are under a great deal of stress, especially since

> this

> > > is the holiday season. We have all been there, and I am still

> > > stressing out over my tremendous debt! But now I have hope that

> I

> > am

> > > able to work towards a full recovery and a normal income. It

> takes

> > a

> > > great deal of faith and baby steps to make it through this

> process.

> > > Breathe deeply and do the best you can to stay calm and take

> things

> > > one step at a time. Somehow it will all work out, you just have

> to

> > > believe that it will.

> > >

> > > Big hugs,

> > >

> >

>

December 3, 2005

When I first saw Dr. Kolb, I was skeptical about the supplements she

recommended, and

about her motives. That skecpticism did not last long. She dispelled those

concerns when

it became clear that she was not going to push anything. And the longer I have

known

her, the more I realize that her primary motive is to help women. SHe has

helped so many

women, and she continues to do so. Of coruse she must make a living at her

profession. Yet, I have seen her offer advice and support without asking for

compensation. She would never refuse to operate because a woman could not

afford or

chose not to purchase supplements.

> > >

> > > Cosima, my situation was similar to yours. We had less than

> > nothing,

> > > were in debt to begin with, and had to borrow themoney for my

> > > surgery. I was lucky that I recovered well enough to now be able

> to

> > > bring in a little bit of an income. There are no gaurantees, but

> > > after the surgery you will have a much better chance of

> physically

> > > being able to contribute to reuilding our household income.

> > >

> > > As for the expensive supplements... Dr. Kolb has a pretty

> specific

> > > protocol, but there is no reason why you HAVE to spend that

> money

> > > and do her plan right away. There are many of us who could not

> > begin

> > > to afford such a regimen. I have used very few supplements,

> mostly

> > > diet changes, with really great results. Once ou regain some of

> > your

> > > health and you get more income then you can start taking some of

> > the

> > > supplements she reccommends. But please do not let the thought

> of

> > > that stress you out right now. It is more important for you to

> just

> > > get the surgery and then slowly work your way back to a normal

> > life.

> > >

> > > I know you are under a great deal of stress, especially since

> this

> > > is the holiday season. We have all been there, and I am still

> > > stressing out over my tremendous debt! But now I have hope that

> I

> > am

> > > able to work towards a full recovery and a normal income. It

> takes

> > a

> > > great deal of faith and baby steps to make it through this

> process.

> > > Breathe deeply and do the best you can to stay calm and take

> things

> > > one step at a time. Somehow it will all work out, you just have

> to

> > > believe that it will.

> > >

> > > Big hugs,

> > >

> >

>

December 3, 2005

Cosima

I am sorry that you are so sick. Please have faith that you will

get well. Before you know it, your surgery date will be here. I

agree that you don't have to buy all the supplements either. In

fact, it seems best to just start with one or two at a time for most

people. The important thing is to get the implants out. Also,

there are things you can do that don't involve buying expensive

supplements. Diet changes can be very important and garlic is very

effective at killing all kinds of organisms. So is oil of oregano

and it isn't that expensive. I just bought a kind I particularly

like for around $16. It will last me a couple of months. I have

found oil of oregano and also olive leaf extract very good for

candida. There are people here who have used Dr.Kolb's protocol

with success and others where it hasn't helped. Doing cleanses has

have helped many here and they aren't costly. The liver cleanse is

just epsom salts, olive oil, and grapefruit or lemon juice. DEtox

baths can be as simple as epsom salts. Add hydrogen peroxide and it

can be quite anti-infective. So there are many things you can do on

your own that won't require doctor's visits, etc. ONce you get the

implants out, you can decide from there the next step. I am praying

for you.

Hugs and prayers,

kathy

--- In , " auntsisnj " <auntsisnj@l...>

wrote:

>

> Oh Cosima, my heart goes out to you right now. I pray that all

the

> pieces come together for you, and I really think it's significant

> that your surgery is at the very end of a year - perhaps

indicating

> that next year is a new beginning for you. I'm so sorry that

you're

> getting sicker by the minute, and I am sending some positive

> thoughts and prayers your way.

>

> I charged my original implant surgery on a 0% interest credit

card.

> The explant surgery came out of my severance pay that I got when I

> lost my job. In total I paid a little over $13,000 in six months,

> first to have the bombs put in, then to have the bombs taken out.

> It really does make me angry that the corporations are allowed to

do

> this to us - and our own government is allowing it.

>

> I wish you the best, and I'm thankful that you found this group

and

> that you're in Dr. Kolb's hands, she's helped alot of women. Good

> luck and God Bless.

>

> Sis

>

> --- In , " Cosima " <cosimaf@b...>

wrote:

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I have a question about the class action suit for silicone

breast

> > implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and what would

> it

> > take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole

situation

> > after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I never

> > would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic surgeon

who

> > put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the safe

> > kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however, I do

> blame

> > myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it wasn't

> > necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have swollen

> lymph

> > glands all over my body,indicating that the infection isn't just

> > localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over the last

> few

> > days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due to

> extreme

> > fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I can't

> remember

> > anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to just

tell

> my

> > husband the info and instructions and I couldn't remember a lot

of

> > informations on the questions she was asking me. My surgery is

> > scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get one of the

> > financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with all the

> meds,

> > tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to check

> during

> > surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this first)

> it's

> > going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild symmastia

> > wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would be enough

> to

> > correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the dr.visit, tests,

> > meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts but I

> don't

> > think i can even tolerate anything touching them right now.

> needless

> > to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't have any

> > christmas this year but hopefully they would still have a

mother,

> > even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for next

> month's

> > budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan money. i

> > haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband has to

try

> and

> > find extra income which means he also won't be at home to help

> me.I

> > won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st. I've never

> felt

> > so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not the

surgery

> > that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the hysterectomy

I

> had

> > with complications was one of the worst but this is worse than

> that

> > to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr. Kolb

wants

> me

> > to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the pharmacist

> > didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband came

> home, i

> > found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must be some

> > mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it to him

> for. I

> > know this man from church and all I can say is that God must've

> been

> > looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have charged me

all

> > that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400 or more

> > payment every month for the financing- the interest is really

high

> on

> > some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has anyone else

> here

> > had such a severe infection with the implants? I really think

the

> > manufacturers should be held accountable for these implants same

> as

> > the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in in 1995

> > never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they be

allowed

> to

> > use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont

> understand

> > it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

> >

>

December 4, 2005

Cosima, reading some of the feelings you expressed reminded me of

how I felt before explant. I'm still not feeling great yet, but

mentally I'm feeling alive again because I don't have to worry about

the implants. I wish there were some way I could help you other

than prayer - but perhaps prayer is the most powerful thing we've

got. I think sometimes when everything seems hopeless, a lifeline

comes along and tugs us ashore. I think writing to Oprah sure

couldn't hurt, though, I know she gets millions of letters however

yours just might get the attention of her staff and end up on her

desk. Give it a try! Try whatever resources you possibly can,

because I'd hate to see you have to live with the implants in your

body. Does the $13,000 include a lift? I'm just wondering if you

could just have the implants out to improve your health, and worry

about the lift at some other time - perhaps if you aren't approved

for the $13,000, you could be approved for the $6000 or whatever it

is she charges just for a removal.

Sis

> >

> > Oh Cosima, my heart goes out to you right now. I pray that all

the

> > pieces come together for you, and I really think it's

significant

> > that your surgery is at the very end of a year - perhaps

indicating

> > that next year is a new beginning for you. I'm so sorry that

> you're

> > getting sicker by the minute, and I am sending some positive

> > thoughts and prayers your way.

> >

> > I charged my original implant surgery on a 0% interest credit

> card.

> > The explant surgery came out of my severance pay that I got when

I

> > lost my job. In total I paid a little over $13,000 in six

months,

> > first to have the bombs put in, then to have the bombs taken

out.

> > It really does make me angry that the corporations are allowed

to

> do

> > this to us - and our own government is allowing it.

> >

> > I wish you the best, and I'm thankful that you found this group

and

> > that you're in Dr. Kolb's hands, she's helped alot of women.

Good

> > luck and God Bless.

> >

> > Sis

> >

> > --- In , " Cosima " <cosimaf@b...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I have a question about the class action suit for silicone

breast

> > > implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and what

would

> > it

> > > take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole

> situation

> > > after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I never

> > > would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic surgeon

> who

> > > put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the safe

> > > kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however, I do

> > blame

> > > myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it wasn't

> > > necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have swollen

> > lymph

> > > glands all over my body,indicating that the infection isn't

just

> > > localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over the

last

> > few

> > > days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due to

> > extreme

> > > fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I can't

> > remember

> > > anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to just

> tell

> > my

> > > husband the info and instructions and I couldn't remember a

lot

> of

> > > informations on the questions she was asking me. My surgery is

> > > scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get one of

the

> > > financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with all the

> > meds,

> > > tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to check

> > during

> > > surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this first)

> > it's

> > > going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild

symmastia

> > > wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would be

enough

> > to

> > > correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the dr.visit,

tests,

> > > meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts but I

> > don't

> > > think i can even tolerate anything touching them right now.

> > needless

> > > to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't have any

> > > christmas this year but hopefully they would still have a

mother,

> > > even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for next

> > month's

> > > budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan money.

i

> > > haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband has to

try

> > and

> > > find extra income which means he also won't be at home to help

> > me.I

> > > won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st. I've

never

> > felt

> > > so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not the

surgery

> > > that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the

hysterectomy I

> > had

> > > with complications was one of the worst but this is worse than

> > that

> > > to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr. Kolb

> wants

> > me

> > > to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the

pharmacist

> > > didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband came

> > home, i

> > > found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must be

some

> > > mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it to him

> > for. I

> > > know this man from church and all I can say is that God

must've

> > been

> > > looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have charged me

all

> > > that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400 or more

> > > payment every month for the financing- the interest is really

> high

> > on

> > > some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has anyone else

> > here

> > > had such a severe infection with the implants? I really think

the

> > > manufacturers should be held accountable for these implants

same

> > as

> > > the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in in

1995

> > > never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they be

> allowed

> > to

> > > use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont

> > understand

> > > it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

> > >

> >

>

December 4, 2005

Cosima- I just wanted to let you know what worked for me credit

wise. I called Health 1 financial. It was one of the credit

company't that Kolbs office gave me. I think they work with 3 major

ones. Anyhow I liked Health 1 because they had NO APR for 1 year,

you know how important that is with today's rates. I originally

called them and asked for 6 grand which is what the explant would be

without a lift. Because I lived out of town I did not know if I

would need a lift. They told me once I got to Atlanta that if I

needed the lift that I could call them last minute and they would up

the amount needed. I think all together with the lift it came to

around 10 grand maybe more. Anyhow, I applied for the card ON MY

OWN. My thinking was, why should I drag my husband in my mess. I got

the implants before I ever started dating him so I was being

stubborn about paying for it myself. I got approved thru them. I

have good credit, but I am in my first year of real estate and only

made 14,000 so far this year. I was shocked that they approved me

without my husband as a co-signer. Then they upped it to the amount

I needed last minute because I did end up needing the lift. Please

feel free to email me personally if you need me to look up the

number for you! I can get you the numbers of all 3 financing

companies that I tried. I found out within 4 biz. days if I was

approved so it was quick. Hope this helps, oh and by the way my

payment each month with Health 1 is around 180-200 per mo. It sux,

but we couldn't afford to do it any other way, and at least there is

no APR. my email is jennag2224@..., I never would have thought

it a million years that I would be able to get approved and I

did....it won't hurt to try! HUGS!!!

Jenna

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I have a question about the class action suit for silicone

> breast

> > > > implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and what

> would

> > > it

> > > > take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole

> > situation

> > > > after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I

never

> > > > would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic

surgeon

> > who

> > > > put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the

safe

> > > > kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however, I

do

> > > blame

> > > > myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it wasn't

> > > > necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have

swollen

> > > lymph

> > > > glands all over my body,indicating that the infection isn't

> just

> > > > localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over the

> last

> > > few

> > > > days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due to

> > > extreme

> > > > fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I can't

> > > remember

> > > > anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to

just

> > tell

> > > my

> > > > husband the info and instructions and I couldn't remember a

> lot

> > of

> > > > informations on the questions she was asking me. My surgery

is

> > > > scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get one of

> the

> > > > financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with all

the

> > > meds,

> > > > tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to check

> > > during

> > > > surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this

first)

> > > it's

> > > > going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild

> symmastia

> > > > wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would be

> enough

> > > to

> > > > correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the dr.visit,

> tests,

> > > > meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts but

I

> > > don't

> > > > think i can even tolerate anything touching them right now.

> > > needless

> > > > to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't have

any

> > > > christmas this year but hopefully they would still have a

> mother,

> > > > even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for

> > > > budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan

money.

> i

> > > > haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband has

to

> try

> > > and

> > > > find extra income which means he also won't be at home to

help

> > > me.I

> > > > won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st. I've

> never

> > > felt

> > > > so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not the

> surgery

> > > > that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the

> hysterectomy I

> > > had

> > > > with complications was one of the worst but this is worse

than

> > > that

> > > > to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr. Kolb

> > wants

> > > me

> > > > to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the

> pharmacist

> > > > didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband

came

> > > home, i

> > > > found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must be

> some

> > > > mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it to

him

> > > for. I

> > > > know this man from church and all I can say is that God

> must've

> > > been

> > > > looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have charged

me

> all

> > > > that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400 or

more

> > > > payment every month for the financing- the interest is

really

> > high

> > > on

> > > > some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has anyone

else

> > > here

> > > > had such a severe infection with the implants? I really

think

> the

> > > > manufacturers should be held accountable for these implants

> same

> > > as

> > > > the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in in

> 1995

> > > > never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they be

> > allowed

> > > to

> > > > use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont

> > > understand

> > > > it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 4, 2005

sis,

the explantation is $6000 and I'm not sure if that price includes the

removal of the scar tissue/capsules. the mastopexy is $2000.

altogether, she quoted it all as $9615. the rest is what confuses me-

anesthesia & facilty costs, etc. that's listed on the sheet she gave

me. I'm not sure if that was in the $9615 or not so I'm going to call

the office tomorrow and find out.I have thought about not having the

mastopexy done if need be but I sure hope I don't end up having to go

that route. Dt. Kolb said it wasn't for certain that I'd even need

it.She's going to check and see during surgery after she removes the

implants by sitting me up on the table to see how they look. It'd be

nice if it ends up not even being necessary. I've seen pictures on

the internet of women who had theirs removed and were much larger

than me and didn't the mastopexy. However, I think most of them had

more breast tissue than me to start with. I won't have anything to

fill out. I went from a 32 AA ( or I should say AAA after nursing a

baby for 2 yrs) to a 32B.but maybe,just maybe, it won't be needed.

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I have a question about the class action suit for silicone

> breast

> > > > implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and what

> would

> > > it

> > > > take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole

> > situation

> > > > after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I never

> > > > would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic

surgeon

> > who

> > > > put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the safe

> > > > kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however, I do

> > > blame

> > > > myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it wasn't

> > > > necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have swollen

> > > lymph

> > > > glands all over my body,indicating that the infection isn't

> just

> > > > localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over the

> last

> > > few

> > > > days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due to

> > > extreme

> > > > fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I can't

> > > remember

> > > > anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to just

> > tell

> > > my

> > > > husband the info and instructions and I couldn't remember a

> lot

> > of

> > > > informations on the questions she was asking me. My surgery

is

> > > > scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get one of

> the

> > > > financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with all the

> > > meds,

> > > > tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to check

> > > during

> > > > surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this

first)

> > > it's

> > > > going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild

> symmastia

> > > > wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would be

> enough

> > > to

> > > > correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the dr.visit,

> tests,

> > > > meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts but I

> > > don't

> > > > think i can even tolerate anything touching them right now.

> > > needless

> > > > to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't have any

> > > > christmas this year but hopefully they would still have a

> mother,

> > > > even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for next

> > > month's

> > > > budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan money.

> i

> > > > haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband has to

> try

> > > and

> > > > find extra income which means he also won't be at home to

help

> > > me.I

> > > > won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st. I've

> never

> > > felt

> > > > so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not the

> surgery

> > > > that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the

> hysterectomy I

> > > had

> > > > with complications was one of the worst but this is worse

than

> > > that

> > > > to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr. Kolb

> > wants

> > > me

> > > > to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the

> pharmacist

> > > > didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband came

> > > home, i

> > > > found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must be

> some

> > > > mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it to

him

> > > for. I

> > > > know this man from church and all I can say is that God

> must've

> > > been

> > > > looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have charged me

> all

> > > > that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400 or

more

> > > > payment every month for the financing- the interest is really

> > high

> > > on

> > > > some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has anyone

else

> > > here

> > > > had such a severe infection with the implants? I really think

> the

> > > > manufacturers should be held accountable for these implants

> same

> > > as

> > > > the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in in

> 1995

> > > > never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they be

> > allowed

> > > to

> > > > use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont

> > > understand

> > > > it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 4, 2005

ummm how do the detox baths help? it's just superficial,right, like a

bubble bath? I'm new to this kind of thing.

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I have a question about the class action suit for silicone

> breast

> > > implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and what

would

> > it

> > > take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole

> situation

> > > after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I never

> > > would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic surgeon

> who

> > > put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the safe

> > > kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however, I do

> > blame

> > > myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it wasn't

> > > necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have swollen

> > lymph

> > > glands all over my body,indicating that the infection isn't

just

> > > localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over the

last

> > few

> > > days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due to

> > extreme

> > > fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I can't

> > remember

> > > anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to just

> tell

> > my

> > > husband the info and instructions and I couldn't remember a lot

> of

> > > informations on the questions she was asking me. My surgery is

> > > scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get one of

the

> > > financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with all the

> > meds,

> > > tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to check

> > during

> > > surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this first)

> > it's

> > > going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild symmastia

> > > wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would be

enough

> > to

> > > correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the dr.visit,

tests,

> > > meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts but I

> > don't

> > > think i can even tolerate anything touching them right now.

> > needless

> > > to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't have any

> > > christmas this year but hopefully they would still have a

> mother,

> > > even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for next

> > month's

> > > budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan money. i

> > > haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband has to

> try

> > and

> > > find extra income which means he also won't be at home to help

> > me.I

> > > won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st. I've

never

> > felt

> > > so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not the

> surgery

> > > that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the hysterectomy

> I

> > had

> > > with complications was one of the worst but this is worse than

> > that

> > > to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr. Kolb

> wants

> > me

> > > to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the

pharmacist

> > > didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband came

> > home, i

> > > found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must be some

> > > mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it to him

> > for. I

> > > know this man from church and all I can say is that God must've

> > been

> > > looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have charged me

> all

> > > that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400 or more

> > > payment every month for the financing- the interest is really

> high

> > on

> > > some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has anyone else

> > here

> > > had such a severe infection with the implants? I really think

> the

> > > manufacturers should be held accountable for these implants

same

> > as

> > > the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in in

1995

> > > never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they be

> allowed

> > to

> > > use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont

> > understand

> > > it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

> > >

> >

>

December 4, 2005

Detox baths aren't superficial and are nothing like a bubble bath.

The skin is a major elimination organ. In detox bath you add things

to the water that help draw toxins out of the body. Epsom salts are

magnesium and when they are absorbed they can accomplish a variety

of purposes. Here is an excerpt that I copied from a website about

epsom salts:

Researchers and physicians report that raising your magnesium levels

may: Improve heart and circulatory health, reducing irregular

heartbeats, preventing hardening of the arteries, reducing blood

clots and lowering blood pressure.

• Improve the body's ability to use insulin, reducing the incidence

or severity of diabetes.

• Flush toxins and heavy metals from the cells, easing muscle pain

and helping the body to eliminate harmful substances.

• Improve nerve function by regulating electrolytes. Also, calcium

is the main conductor for electrical current in the body, and

magnesium is necessary to maintain proper calcium levels in the

blood.

• Relieve stress. Excess adrenaline and stress are believed to drain

magnesium, a natural stress reliever, from the body. Magnesium is

necessary for the body to bind adequate amounts of serotonin, a mood-

elevating chemical within the brain that creates a feeling of well

being and relaxation.

While increasing your magnesium levels, TheraSpa – Epsom salt also

delivers sulfates, which are extremely difficult to get through food

but which readily absorb through the skin. Medical research

indicates sulfates are needed for the formation of brain tissue,

joint proteins and the mucin proteins that line the walls of the

digestive tract. Sulfates also stimulate the pancreas to generate

digestive enzymes and help to detoxify the body's residue of

medicines and environmental contaminants.

Other detox baths such as bentonite clay have a charge that is the

opposite of toxins and thus pulls toxins out of the body. I have

had strong herxes to detox baths and you should not think they dont

have the power to cause cleansing reactions. I would start out on

smaller amounts and see how you react.

Hugs, Kathy

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I have a question about the class action suit for silicone

> > breast

> > > > implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and what

> would

> > > it

> > > > take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole

> > situation

> > > > after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I

never

> > > > would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic

surgeon

> > who

> > > > put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the

safe

> > > > kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however, I

do

> > > blame

> > > > myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it wasn't

> > > > necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have

swollen

> > > lymph

> > > > glands all over my body,indicating that the infection isn't

> just

> > > > localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over the

> last

> > > few

> > > > days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due to

> > > extreme

> > > > fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I can't

> > > remember

> > > > anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to

just

> > tell

> > > my

> > > > husband the info and instructions and I couldn't remember a

lot

> > of

> > > > informations on the questions she was asking me. My surgery

is

> > > > scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get one of

> the

> > > > financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with all

the

> > > meds,

> > > > tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to check

> > > during

> > > > surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this

first)

> > > it's

> > > > going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild

symmastia

> > > > wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would be

> enough

> > > to

> > > > correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the dr.visit,

> tests,

> > > > meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts but

I

> > > don't

> > > > think i can even tolerate anything touching them right now.

> > > needless

> > > > to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't have

any

> > > > christmas this year but hopefully they would still have a

> > mother,

> > > > even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for

> > > > budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan

money. i

> > > > haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband has

to

> > try

> > > and

> > > > find extra income which means he also won't be at home to

help

> > > me.I

> > > > won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st. I've

> never

> > > felt

> > > > so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not the

> > surgery

> > > > that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the

hysterectomy

> > I

> > > had

> > > > with complications was one of the worst but this is worse

than

> > > that

> > > > to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr. Kolb

> > wants

> > > me

> > > > to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the

> pharmacist

> > > > didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband

came

> > > home, i

> > > > found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must be

some

> > > > mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it to

him

> > > for. I

> > > > know this man from church and all I can say is that God

must've

> > > been

> > > > looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have charged

me

> > all

> > > > that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400 or

more

> > > > payment every month for the financing- the interest is

really

> > high

> > > on

> > > > some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has anyone

else

> > > here

> > > > had such a severe infection with the implants? I really

think

> > the

> > > > manufacturers should be held accountable for these implants

> same

> > > as

> > > > the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in in

> 1995

> > > > never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they be

> > allowed

> > > to

> > > > use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont

> > > understand

> > > > it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 4, 2005

Cosima - My heart is going out to you right now, and have added you

to my prayer list!! I wanted to let you know that I also was a AA

before implants to a B with the implants. Since they were removed,

I am an A - kind of in between. I have been explanted for six

weeks, and have been up and down with improvement, and they aren't

the perfect shape - I'm told they need to " fluff " , but THEY'RE

MINE!!! Now that those bags are out of me, the healing can begin,

and I have hope that I didn't have when they were in. Like you, I

really felt hopeless. Once I made the decision for explant, my hope

started. I did not have a lift - I don't think that would have

helped me. Maybe you should wait and see if it's even necessary,

and have it at a later time. The women here are a wonderful source

of information and support, so stick with this group. Hang in there,

Cherie

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a question about the class action suit for silicone

> > breast

> > > > > implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and what

> > would

> > > > it

> > > > > take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole

> > > situation

> > > > > after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I

never

> > > > > would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic

> surgeon

> > > who

> > > > > put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the

safe

> > > > > kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however, I

do

> > > > blame

> > > > > myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it

wasn't

> > > > > necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have

swollen

> > > > lymph

> > > > > glands all over my body,indicating that the infection

isn't

> > just

> > > > > localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over

the

> > last

> > > > few

> > > > > days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due

to

> > > > extreme

> > > > > fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I can't

> > > > remember

> > > > > anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to

just

> > > tell

> > > > my

> > > > > husband the info and instructions and I couldn't remember

a

> > lot

> > > of

> > > > > informations on the questions she was asking me. My

surgery

> is

> > > > > scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get one

of

> > the

> > > > > financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with all

the

> > > > meds,

> > > > > tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to

check

> > > > during

> > > > > surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this

> first)

> > > > it's

> > > > > going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild

> > symmastia

> > > > > wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would be

> > enough

> > > > to

> > > > > correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the dr.visit,

> > tests,

> > > > > meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts

but I

> > > > don't

> > > > > think i can even tolerate anything touching them right

now.

> > > > needless

> > > > > to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't have

any

> > > > > christmas this year but hopefully they would still have a

> > mother,

> > > > > even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for

> > > > > budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan

money.

> > i

> > > > > haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband has

to

> > try

> > > > and

> > > > > find extra income which means he also won't be at home to

> help

> > > > me.I

> > > > > won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st. I've

> > never

> > > > felt

> > > > > so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not the

> > surgery

> > > > > that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the

> > hysterectomy I

> > > > had

> > > > > with complications was one of the worst but this is worse

> than

> > > > that

> > > > > to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr.

Kolb

> > > wants

> > > > me

> > > > > to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the

> > pharmacist

> > > > > didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband

came

> > > > home, i

> > > > > found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must be

> > some

> > > > > mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it to

> him

> > > > for. I

> > > > > know this man from church and all I can say is that God

> > must've

> > > > been

> > > > > looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have charged

me

> > all

> > > > > that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400 or

> more

> > > > > payment every month for the financing- the interest is

really

> > > high

> > > > on

> > > > > some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has anyone

> else

> > > > here

> > > > > had such a severe infection with the implants? I really

think

> > the

> > > > > manufacturers should be held accountable for these

implants

> > same

> > > > as

> > > > > the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in

in

> > 1995

> > > > > never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they be

> > > allowed

> > > > to

> > > > > use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont

> > > > understand

> > > > > it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 4, 2005

Cosima, I was an A and went to a C (I didn't want a C, I insisted on

a B, but my dear plastic surgeon didn't listen to me). I had my

implants for six months, and I had my explant on November 7th. I

don't look exactly like I did before, but it's much better than I

thought - I was worried that I'd have a ton of loose skin and I

really don't. My armpits went back to how they used to be, so alot

of skin must have been pulled from my armpits. My muscles indent

above my breasts right now, and my doctor says that will fluff out

in time. I'm going to begin doing some light upper body exercising

to help the process along, but I can't start that for a few weeks,

and actually I'm not starting anything like that until after the

holidays.

Sis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a question about the class action suit for

silicone

> > > breast

> > > > > > implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and

what

> > > would

> > > > > it

> > > > > > take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole

> > > > situation

> > > > > > after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I

> never

> > > > > > would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic

> > surgeon

> > > > who

> > > > > > put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the

> safe

> > > > > > kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however,

I

> do

> > > > > blame

> > > > > > myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it

> wasn't

> > > > > > necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have

> swollen

> > > > > lymph

> > > > > > glands all over my body,indicating that the infection

> isn't

> > > just

> > > > > > localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over

> the

> > > last

> > > > > few

> > > > > > days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due

> to

> > > > > extreme

> > > > > > fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I

can't

> > > > > remember

> > > > > > anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to

> just

> > > > tell

> > > > > my

> > > > > > husband the info and instructions and I couldn't

remember

> a

> > > lot

> > > > of

> > > > > > informations on the questions she was asking me. My

> surgery

> > is

> > > > > > scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get

one

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with

all

> the

> > > > > meds,

> > > > > > tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to

> check

> > > > > during

> > > > > > surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this

> > first)

> > > > > it's

> > > > > > going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild

> > > symmastia

> > > > > > wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would

be

> > > enough

> > > > > to

> > > > > > correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the

dr.visit,

> > > tests,

> > > > > > meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts

> but I

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > think i can even tolerate anything touching them right

> now.

> > > > > needless

> > > > > > to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't

have

> any

> > > > > > christmas this year but hopefully they would still have

a

> > > mother,

> > > > > > even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for

> next

> > > > > month's

> > > > > > budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan

> money.

> > > i

> > > > > > haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband

has

> to

> > > try

> > > > > and

> > > > > > find extra income which means he also won't be at home

to

> > help

> > > > > me.I

> > > > > > won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st.

I've

> > > never

> > > > > felt

> > > > > > so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not

the

> > > surgery

> > > > > > that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the

> > > hysterectomy I

> > > > > had

> > > > > > with complications was one of the worst but this is

worse

> > than

> > > > > that

> > > > > > to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr.

> Kolb

> > > > wants

> > > > > me

> > > > > > to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the

> > > pharmacist

> > > > > > didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband

> came

> > > > > home, i

> > > > > > found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must

be

> > > some

> > > > > > mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it

to

> > him

> > > > > for. I

> > > > > > know this man from church and all I can say is that God

> > > must've

> > > > > been

> > > > > > looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have

charged

> me

> > > all

> > > > > > that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400

or

> > more

> > > > > > payment every month for the financing- the interest is

> really

> > > > high

> > > > > on

> > > > > > some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has

anyone

> > else

> > > > > here

> > > > > > had such a severe infection with the implants? I really

> think

> > > the

> > > > > > manufacturers should be held accountable for these

> implants

> > > same

> > > > > as

> > > > > > the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in

> in

> > > 1995

> > > > > > never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they

be

> > > > allowed

> > > > > to

> > > > > > use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 4, 2005

Kathy,

wow! ok, i'm convinced. do i just go to the store and get a bottle of

epsom salts and follow the directions on it? or do i need to go to

ahealth food store and get a special brand? i'm ready to get my

husband to go get me some and start soaking right away!

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a question about the class action suit for silicone

> > > breast

> > > > > implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and what

> > would

> > > > it

> > > > > take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole

> > > situation

> > > > > after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I

> never

> > > > > would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic

> surgeon

> > > who

> > > > > put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the

> safe

> > > > > kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however, I

> do

> > > > blame

> > > > > myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it

wasn't

> > > > > necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have

> swollen

> > > > lymph

> > > > > glands all over my body,indicating that the infection isn't

> > just

> > > > > localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over the

> > last

> > > > few

> > > > > days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due to

> > > > extreme

> > > > > fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I can't

> > > > remember

> > > > > anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to

> just

> > > tell

> > > > my

> > > > > husband the info and instructions and I couldn't remember a

> lot

> > > of

> > > > > informations on the questions she was asking me. My surgery

> is

> > > > > scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get one

of

> > the

> > > > > financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with all

> the

> > > > meds,

> > > > > tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to

check

> > > > during

> > > > > surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this

> first)

> > > > it's

> > > > > going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild

> symmastia

> > > > > wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would be

> > enough

> > > > to

> > > > > correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the dr.visit,

> > tests,

> > > > > meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts but

> I

> > > > don't

> > > > > think i can even tolerate anything touching them right now.

> > > > needless

> > > > > to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't have

> any

> > > > > christmas this year but hopefully they would still have a

> > > mother,

> > > > > even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for

> next

> > > > month's

> > > > > budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan

> money. i

> > > > > haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband has

> to

> > > try

> > > > and

> > > > > find extra income which means he also won't be at home to

> help

> > > > me.I

> > > > > won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st. I've

> > never

> > > > felt

> > > > > so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not the

> > > surgery

> > > > > that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the

> hysterectomy

> > > I

> > > > had

> > > > > with complications was one of the worst but this is worse

> than

> > > > that

> > > > > to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr.

Kolb

> > > wants

> > > > me

> > > > > to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the

> > pharmacist

> > > > > didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband

> came

> > > > home, i

> > > > > found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must be

> some

> > > > > mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it to

> him

> > > > for. I

> > > > > know this man from church and all I can say is that God

> must've

> > > > been

> > > > > looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have charged

> me

> > > all

> > > > > that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400 or

> more

> > > > > payment every month for the financing- the interest is

> really

> > > high

> > > > on

> > > > > some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has anyone

> else

> > > > here

> > > > > had such a severe infection with the implants? I really

> think

> > > the

> > > > > manufacturers should be held accountable for these implants

> > same

> > > > as

> > > > > the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in in

> > 1995

> > > > > never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they be

> > > allowed

> > > > to

> > > > > use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont

> > > > understand

> > > > > it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 5, 2005

I am so sorry you are feeling so awful. How old are your children? If you

have medical insurance, there might be a chance you could get your implant

removal covered. There are several women here who have fought that battle

and won.

I hope you start feeling better soon.

Kenda

> Hi everyone,

>

> I have a question about the class action suit for silicone breast

> implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and what would it

> take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole situation

> after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I never

> would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic surgeon who

> put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the safe

> kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however, I do blame

> myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it wasn't

> necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have swollen lymph

> glands all over my body,indicating that the infection isn't just

> localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over the last few

> days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due to extreme

> fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I can't remember

> anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to just tell my

> husband the info and instructions and I couldn't remember a lot of

> informations on the questions she was asking me. My surgery is

> scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get one of the

> financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with all the meds,

> tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to check during

> surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this first)it's

> going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild symmastia

> wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would be enough to

> correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the dr.visit, tests,

> meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts but I don't

> think i can even tolerate anything touching them right now. needless

> to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't have any

> christmas this year but hopefully they would still have a mother,

> even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for next month's

> budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan money. i

> haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband has to try and

> find extra income which means he also won't be at home to help me.I

> won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st. I've never felt

> so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not the surgery

> that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the hysterectomy I had

> with complications was one of the worst but this is worse than that

> to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr. Kolb wants me

> to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the pharmacist

> didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband came home, i

> found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must be some

> mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it to him for. I

> know this man from church and all I can say is that God must've been

> looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have charged me all

> that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400 or more

> payment every month for the financing- the interest is really high on

> some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has anyone else here

> had such a severe infection with the implants? I really think the

> manufacturers should be held accountable for these implants same as

> the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in in 1995

> never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they be allowed to

> use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont understand

> it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed

> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

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> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

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December 5, 2005

Yes, you can buy epsom salts in the grocery store. It usually comes

in a box or bag. I would start out soaking in about one half cup

for no more than twenty to thirty minutes. You can work up to 2

cups for thirty or more minutes. But you want to see how you react

first. Some people feel nothing--others get a headache or a little

light headed. I also belong to a group of people who use the

antibiotic therapy for autoimmune diseases and doctors there often

recommend using epsom salts with hydrogen peroxide. The standard

mixture is 2 cups of epsom salts in very warm water. After about

twenty minutes add two large bottles of hydrogen peroxide. Soak

another twenty minutes. The hydrogen peroxide is taken up through

your skin and it kills off organisms. Hydrogen peroxide is an anti-

infective. Many people have used this with good results. I herx

badly to it. I get dizzy and get a headache. Also, my skin in the

private parts is too sensitive to sit in water with the peroxide in

it. However, there are alot of people who swear by this. I have

also used bentonite clay and it really stirs things up. That is why

clay is used when you go to saunas where they offer all the

detoxification wraps. Seaweed also detoxifies. Still, many people

do not experience much improvement no matter what they do until they

get their implants out. So don't get discouraged. You can still help

your body now by starting on these changes but go slow and easy. I

would also concentrate on alkalinizing your body. On the internet

you can easily find lists of the most alkalinizing foods and acidic

foods. Cutting out sugar, baked goods and processed foods in favor

of raw foods--especially veggies, salads, garlic and onions will

help. You should attempt to eat raw foods everyday. They contain

enzymes which we need to perform all cellular functions. There are

many things you can do to help detoxify your body, but I would wait

until explanted to start focusing on the cleanses, etc.

Hugs, Kathy

-- In , " Cosima " <cosimaf@b...> wrote:

>

> Kathy,

> wow! ok, i'm convinced. do i just go to the store and get a bottle

of

> epsom salts and follow the directions on it? or do i need to go to

> ahealth food store and get a special brand? i'm ready to get my

> husband to go get me some and start soaking right away!

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a question about the class action suit for

silicone

> > > > breast

> > > > > > implants: why isn't there one for saline implants and

what

> > > would

> > > > > it

> > > > > > take to get one started? I was so angry about this whole

> > > > situation

> > > > > > after leaving Dr. Kolb's office in Atlants last night.I

> > never

> > > > > > would've put myself in this kind of fix if the plastic

> > surgeon

> > > > who

> > > > > > put these time bombs in me hadn't told me these were the

> > safe

> > > > > > kind,the silicone implants were the unsafe ones.however,

I

> > do

> > > > > blame

> > > > > > myself for all of this because I chose to do this, it

> wasn't

> > > > > > necessary. Dr. Kolb told me that I'm very ill. I have

> > swollen

> > > > > lymph

> > > > > > glands all over my body,indicating that the infection

isn't

> > > just

> > > > > > localized anymore.Things have gotten so much worse over

the

> > > last

> > > > > few

> > > > > > days. I can longer walk on my own without difficulty due

to

> > > > > extreme

> > > > > > fatigue,weakness, muscle and joint tenderness,etc. I

can't

> > > > > remember

> > > > > > anything for more than a minute. Dr. Kolb finally had to

> > just

> > > > tell

> > > > > my

> > > > > > husband the info and instructions and I couldn't

remember a

> > lot

> > > > of

> > > > > > informations on the questions she was asking me. My

surgery

> > is

> > > > > > scheduled for Dec. 29th pending our being able to get

one

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > financing plans she gave us to apply for.In all, with

all

> > the

> > > > > meds,

> > > > > > tests, surgery plus mastopexy(if needed-she's going to

> check

> > > > > during

> > > > > > surgery after she removes implants to see if I need this

> > first)

> > > > > it's

> > > > > > going to cost about 13,000. she told me that the mild

> > symmastia

> > > > > > wouldn't need repair but taking out the implants would

be

> > > enough

> > > > > to

> > > > > > correct it.I spent about $500 yesterday for the

dr.visit,

> > > tests,

> > > > > > meds.I still got to pay for an ultrasound of my breasts

but

> > I

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > think i can even tolerate anything touching them right

now.

> > > > > needless

> > > > > > to say, I had to tell my children that they wouldn't

have

> > any

> > > > > > christmas this year but hopefully they would still have

a

> > > > mother,

> > > > > > even if a very sick one. the money i had in the bank for

> > next

> > > > > month's

> > > > > > budget is mostly gone since all i had was college loan

> > money. i

> > > > > > haven't been able to work for awhile now.so my husband

has

> > to

> > > > try

> > > > > and

> > > > > > find extra income which means he also won't be at home

to

> > help

> > > > > me.I

> > > > > > won't get my next college loan check until Jan. 31st.

I've

> > > never

> > > > > felt

> > > > > > so sick nor been so scared in my whole life. It's not

the

> > > > surgery

> > > > > > that scares me. I've had 24 surgeries already, the

> > hysterectomy

> > > > I

> > > > > had

> > > > > > with complications was one of the worst but this is

worse

> > than

> > > > > that

> > > > > > to me. I can't afford all the expensive supplements Dr.

> Kolb

> > > > wants

> > > > > me

> > > > > > to take. I was able to get the cipro only because the

> > > pharmacist

> > > > > > didn't charge me the quoted $171 for it. when my husband

> > came

> > > > > home, i

> > > > > > found that he was charged only $7. I thought there must

be

> > some

> > > > > > mistake but my husband said no, that is what he sold it

to

> > him

> > > > > for. I

> > > > > > know this man from church and all I can say is that God

> > must've

> > > > > been

> > > > > > looking out for me for that pharmacist to not have

charged

> > me

> > > > all

> > > > > > that.I have no idea how we'll be able to afford a $400

or

> > more

> > > > > > payment every month for the financing- the interest is

> > really

> > > > high

> > > > > on

> > > > > > some of those plans she gave us-19-24% or more.Has

anyone

> > else

> > > > > here

> > > > > > had such a severe infection with the implants? I really

> > think

> > > > the

> > > > > > manufacturers should be held accountable for these

implants

> > > same

> > > > > as

> > > > > > the silicone ones. That plastic surgeon who put these in

in

> > > 1995

> > > > > > never told me they weren't FDA approved. how could they

be

> > > > allowed

> > > > > to

> > > > > > use them if they werent approved until 2000? I just dont

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > it at all.can anybody explain this to me?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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