Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nicola, What a wonderful doctor appointment you had!! I am so happy for you and it is so great that you can report back, to all of us, that the cortisol is a good thing. I know that the Isocort I am taking has helped tremendously, but I am going to order some HC, as I think I need a little more help than Isocort can give. Thanks for letting us know about your experience. in OR =================================================== I report this to reassure people, that if you have adrenal problems, there is no big deal in taking cortisol, at least, not as far as the one of the top endocrinologists is concerned. You need it like you need food and water. If you need it, you need it. So I have started on the hydrocortisone, straight in on 10mg this morning (although I was taking Isocort and glandulars before, so this is not such a shock to the system). He is starting me on a very low Armour dose (15mg) for my adrenals' sake. I also have to take oestrogen and progesterone, DHEA, Vitamin A, melatonin, selenium, magnesium etc etc. I was shaking like a leaf all day yesterday - my adrenals are totally shot - but with 5mg of hydrocortisone last night - I felt calmer and my hands stopped shaking. This stuff works! No need to be afraid! Hope this helps people... Nicola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 THANK YOU Nicola and Dr Hertoghe! The FEAR of HC is killing people! Not the HC.. This is what I have read from SO many truly knowlegable doctors but one more confirmation is always great to hear and sets people's mind at ease in the light of all the bad stuff they hear and read. You are on the road to wellness! YAY!!! -- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 That's wonderful!!!! You actually found a doc who's all he's cracked up to be!!! You'll be feeling so much better and actually be healthy--I'm glad! Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Hi Imgeha, What a great doc! I've only just started on cortef and still feeling anxious about the whole thing so your post was great to read and thanks for posting. Are you chelating at the moment or were you on a break whilst you get sorted adrenally etc? Take care, Anne > > I wanted to share about my appointment with Thierry Hertoghe > yesterday. I was there for two hours, and spent one hour with him. > He looks incredibly young, is incredibly knowlegeable, and he said > what I wanted to hear. He is the only doctor who has told me to > listen to my body, and to continue to inform myself and read. Every > other doctor has told me NOT to look at the internet, to stop > worrying, and offer me antidepressants. > > Anyway, so I have been prescribed Armour and hydrocortisone, as well > as other hormones and vitamins. He told me from the test results and > clinical observation that I am severely adrenally deficient, my > adrenals are probably damaged and I will need to take cortisone for > the rest of my life. At this point I burst into tears, but he then > casually told me that he takes cortisol every day, and has done so > for 20 years or so. So does the other doctor who saw me. They saw > it as no big deal at all. They view it as necessary to life as food > and water. This was in huge contrast to the general view that > taking steroids is a big no-no, and to be avoided at all cost. The > key is, as Val keeps saying, to take a physiological dose ie 20- 30mg > a day, to support the adrenals, rather than overwhelm them. > > I report this to reassure people, that if you have adrenal problems, > there is no big deal in taking cortisol, at least, not as far as the > one of the top endocrinologists is concerned. You need it like you > need food and water. If you need it, you need it. > > So I have started on the hydrocortisone, straight in on 10mg this > morning (although I was taking Isocort and glandulars before, so this > is not such a shock to the system). He is starting me on a very low > Armour dose (15mg) for my adrenals' sake. I also have to take > oestrogen and progesterone, DHEA, Vitamin A, melatonin, selenium, > magnesium etc etc. > > I was shaking like a leaf all day yesterday - my adrenals are totally > shot - but with 5mg of hydrocortisone last night - I felt calmer and > my hands stopped shaking. This stuff works! No need to be afraid! > > Hope this helps people... > > Nicola > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 This is a wonderful report, Nicola. Thank you for sharing! best,AdriaGreen Mountain Curlies, Inc.~~~http://greenmountaincurlies.official.ws/GMC Blog~~~http://greenmountaincurlies.blogspot.com If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. I wanted to share about my appointment with Thierry Hertoghe yesterday. I was there for two hours, and spent one hour with him. He looks incredibly young, is incredibly knowlegeable, and he said what I wanted to hear. He is the only doctor who has told me to listen to my body, and to continue to inform myself and read. Every other doctor has told me NOT to look at the internet, to stop worrying, and offer me antidepressants.Anyway, so I have been prescribed Armour and hydrocortisone, as well as other hormones and vitamins. He told me from the test results and clinical observation that I am severely adrenally deficient, my adrenals are probably damaged and I will need to take cortisone for the rest of my life. At this point I burst into tears, but he then casually told me that he takes cortisol every day, and has done so for 20 years or so. So does the other doctor who saw me. They saw it as no big deal at all. They view it as necessary to life as food and water. This was in huge contrast to the general view that taking steroids is a big no-no, and to be avoided at all cost. The key is, as Val keeps saying, to take a physiological dose ie 20-30mg a day, to support the adrenals, rather than overwhelm them.I report this to reassure people, that if you have adrenal problems, there is no big deal in taking cortisol, at least, not as far as the one of the top endocrinologists is concerned. You need it like you need food and water. If you need it, you need it.So I have started on the hydrocortisone, straight in on 10mg this morning (although I was taking Isocort and glandulars before, so this is not such a shock to the system). He is starting me on a very low Armour dose (15mg) for my adrenals' sake. I also have to take oestrogen and progesterone, DHEA, Vitamin A, melatonin, selenium, magnesium etc etc. I was shaking like a leaf all day yesterday - my adrenals are totally shot - but with 5mg of hydrocortisone last night - I felt calmer and my hands stopped shaking. This stuff works! No need to be afraid! Hope this helps people...Nicola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Thanks so much for sharing Nicola, I am so happy for you. Where is this great doctor?? This is very reasuring, makes me not so scared to try the cortisol. Thanks, Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I live in Belgium. Thierry Hertoghe is based in Brussels. I am VERY happy that he is my endocrinologist. Nicola -- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Sue Riddle " wrote: > > Thanks so much for sharing Nicola, I am so happy for you. Where is > this great doctor?? This is very reasuring, makes me not so scared to > try the cortisol. > > Thanks, > Sue > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Great news, Nicola! I am very pleased for you. You will hopefully start to feel better very soon! And his views on h/c are very reassuring too, thanks for sharing! ) Sally > > I wanted to share about my appointment with Thierry Hertoghe > yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Hi Anne taking cortisol IS a big thing, and as I say, I burst into tears when he told me I may need to take it for the rest of my life. But they were so casual about it - if you are thirsty, you need water, if you are hungry, you need food, if you need cortisol, you need cortisol. It is as essential to life as food and water. I feel much better today than yesterday - not so trembly and wired. Hopefully this will calm down as the days on cortisol pass. He also prescribed me some 9 alpha fluorohydrocortisone (sp?) to correct aldosterone levels, which are apparently also out of synch if cortisol is. I am still in the process of having amalgams removed - have done half, but Hertoghe recommended stopping for a bit so I can get stronger. I am so weak and debilitated now - it can only get better from here. Hope you are better than me! take care Nicola -- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Anne " wrote: > > Hi Imgeha, > > What a great doc! I've only just started on cortef and still feeling > anxious about the whole thing so your post was great to read and > thanks for posting. > > Are you chelating at the moment or were you on a break whilst you get > sorted adrenally etc? > > Take care, > > Anne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 > > I live in Belgium. Thierry Hertoghe is based in Brussels. I am VERY > happy that he is my endocrinologist. > > Nicola > >Don't think I could make it to Belgium!!! You are so lucky to have found him. I just wish I could find a good doctor around here. In response to the trembling. This just showed up with my last increase so I think I am at the point where the Armour is not going to do any good unless I take the HC. I am going to take the saliva test next week on day 21 of my cycle and then see what the results are. Thanks, Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 --- wrote: > THANK YOU Nicola and Dr Hertoghe! The FEAR of HC is killing people! > Not > the HC.. This is what I have read from SO many truly knowlegable > doctors > but one more confirmation is always great to hear and sets people's > mind > at ease in the light of all the bad stuff they hear and read. You are > on > the road to wellness! YAY!!! > > -- > Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > Hi Val, A couple of days ago I took the 24 hour urine test for cortisol (no results, yet). I had been using sea salt before bed and thought to stop it prior to the test lest it impact the test results. The afternoon after turning the specimen in, I was completely exhausted. I was in bed for the next 18 hours, but I did start the sea salt again, except morning and night instead of just before bed. This morning still had low energy but was able to get up and even take a walk. I believe the exhaustion was related to not taking the sea salt. I'm still on only a 1/4 grain of Armour. With the information I read here, though, I think that is okay because if I get prescribed cortef my understanding is I should be on low or no thyroid replacement to start. In fact, two questions: (1) would it be wise to stop the 1/4 grain for a day or two before taking cortisol, and (2) are HC and Cortef the same thing? I am confused by the use of the two terms. Thanks Val. patricia __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 , 24 urine is only good for 's or Cushing's. It will not show Adrenal Fatigue. Yes, stay slow on thyroid, need to get the HC in your system. Kate >Hi Val, > >A couple of days ago I took the 24 hour urine test for cortisol (no >results, yet). I had been using sea salt before bed and thought to >stop it prior to the test lest it impact the test results. The >afternoon after turning the specimen in, I was completely exhausted. I >was in bed for the next 18 hours, but I did start the sea salt again, >except morning and night instead of just before bed. This morning >still had low energy but was able to get up and even take a walk. I >believe the exhaustion was related to not taking the sea salt. I'm >still on only a 1/4 grain of Armour. With the information I read here, >though, I think that is okay because if I get prescribed cortef my >understanding is I should be on low or no thyroid replacement to start. > In fact, two questions: (1) would it be wise to stop the 1/4 grain >for a day or two before taking cortisol, and (2) are HC and Cortef the >same thing? I am confused by the use of the two terms. Thanks Val. > >patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 >>(1) would it be wise to stop the 1/4 grain for a day or two before taking Cortisol, and (2) are HC and Cortef the same thing? I am confused by the use of the two terms. Thanks Val.<< Yes it would be wise. Cortef is brand name Hydrocortisone, same thing. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Hmmm, My understanding is the doctor wanted the 24 hour urine test to look at cortisol.(?) I mentioned saliva tests to the doctor and he did not say no but wanted to do this. So we'll see. Thanks, patricia --- Kate Guynn wrote: > , > > 24 urine is only good for 's or Cushing's. It will not show > Adrenal > Fatigue. Yes, stay slow on thyroid, need to get the HC in your > system. > > Kate __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 >>My understanding is the doctor wanted the 24 hour urine test to look at cortisol.(?) I mentioned saliva tests to the doctor and he did not say no but wanted to do this. So we'll see.<< the 24 hour urine test is exactly what it says it is. You save all your urine for 24 hours and they look to see exactly how much cortisol is in it. This test IS mainly done for 's and Cushings. It will tell your total cortisol for th e day but say if you are high at night and low in the morning, it will not show that and will totally miss your adrenal fatigue. This is why several times a day you need to have cortisol levels checked as in the 4 X cortisol saliva testing. -- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Thanks Val, I'm going to edit this message (take names out) and copy it to bring to my doctor. Actually, I left the PCP I talked about when I first came to the list about whom as I recall you said: get rid of the jerk he's trying to scare you This new fellow may not be completely up-to-date on the things discussed here but he is open-minded and I was most impressed that he *easily* admitted not knowing the answer to a question I asked. That, I think is quite rare. For one thing, it means I don't have to stroke his ego Thanks again, Val. patricia --- wrote: > >>My understanding is the doctor wanted the 24 hour urine test to > look at > cortisol.(?) I mentioned saliva tests to the doctor and he did not > say > no but wanted to do this. So we'll see.<< > > the 24 hour urine test is exactly what it says it is. You save all > your > urine for 24 hours and they look to see exactly how much cortisol is > in > it. This test IS mainly done for 's and Cushings. It will tell > > your total cortisol for th e day but say if you are high at night and > > low in the morning, it will not show that and will totally miss your > adrenal fatigue. This is why several times a day you need to have > cortisol levels checked as in the 4 X cortisol saliva testing. > > -- > Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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