Re: Natural Doctor - I'm not feeling better yet

[Guest guest]

Dear Cherie,

I see an osteopath once a week and have done for the past two years, what worries me is I always feel much better after my appointment. If I am likely to feel bad the osteopath will warn me that he's worked deeply or moved something that may make me feel a bit spaced out, but I never feel ill after infact the opposite.

If you are not happy I would not see him again.

Sue

[Guest guest]

Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel worse after a

massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases those toxins

into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this guy fr

several months with no sign of improvement than I would stop seeing

him. I think you may need to just start with some hot baths once a

week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you post your

list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are overdoing

it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of muscle thing.

Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they are also

MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the requirements to

become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the service as a

whole was founed on these quacky tests that have absolutely no

science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for alternative

therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work and also in

natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I am reading a

book right now that goes into detail about every " medical " technique

and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating to learn

about how and where these things start and on what type of science

they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!

[Guest guest]

I wonder about the legitimacy of muscle testing too, but when you

are desperate for help, who knows? He seems so sure of himself, and

believes in the triangle theory - that if your structure, nutrition

and emotions are balanced, you will be healthy. I am beginning to

feel that you girls know more about this, and maybe I should try

stopping these and starting Primal Defense. He has me on

Omega Rx (fish oil)

Cholacol II

Parotid

Wheat Germ Oil

Zymex (digestive enzyme)

Calcium Lactate

Catalyn (multi??)

Pancreatrophin

Chlorella

>

> Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel worse after a

> massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases those

toxins

> into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this guy fr

> several months with no sign of improvement than I would stop

seeing

> him. I think you may need to just start with some hot baths once a

> week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you post your

> list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are overdoing

> it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of muscle thing.

> Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they are also

> MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the requirements to

> become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the service as

a

> whole was founed on these quacky tests that have absolutely no

> science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for alternative

> therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work and also

in

> natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I am reading

a

> book right now that goes into detail about every " medical "

technique

> and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating to learn

> about how and where these things start and on what type of science

> they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There's nothing wrong with the triangle theory, it makes perfect

sense, but it seems to me that you are spending an awful lot of time

and money without results. That's a pretty hefty list of

supplements! I am only taking primal defense once a day and my multi

vitamins with a little extra B complaex and calcium/magnesium. Even

though I have had bad days, I am overall greatly improved! I did the

fungal defense and then switched to primal and honestly that is all

I have done along with strict diet changes. I would seriously

consider stopping his reccommendations for a while to see if these

other things will work for you. I'm sure that he is very confident

in what he is telling you, think of all the money he's making! He

may be a great guy with the best of intentions, I don't mean to bash

him, I don't know him. But if it isn't working then it isn't working

and you should try another method. I hoestly think the primal

defense and the diet changes have made the most significant

difference in my own healing. I am getting ready to start doing the

bath soaks now. I have been too toxic to really do them until now,

but I think I am ready to give it a try again. Baths are incredibly

cheap and oh so relaxing. : )

Big hugs,

> >

> > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel worse after

a

> > massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases those

> toxins

> > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this guy fr

> > several months with no sign of improvement than I would stop

> seeing

> > him. I think you may need to just start with some hot baths once

a

> > week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you post

your

> > list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are

overdoing

> > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of muscle

thing.

> > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they are

also

> > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the requirements to

> > become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the service

as

> a

> > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have absolutely no

> > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for

alternative

> > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work and also

> in

> > natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I am

reading

> a

> > book right now that goes into detail about every " medical "

> technique

> > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating to learn

> > about how and where these things start and on what type of

science

> > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie

As I have said before we are all very different in how we respond to

supplements. If you are anything like me (and I am not saying you

are), I would be feeling much worse on all those supplements. I

can't take chlorella or flax seed oil or enzymes without getting

myself in terrible pain. I don't know for sure why my body reacts

this way but I think it has to do with the way my detoxification

pathways work. If you release toxins, but then can't eliminate them

properly, you will feel worse, and in addition, they won't be all

eliminated and your body will recycle some of them. That is why I

have to go very slow. I take one thing at a time at the miminum

dose to see how it affects me. I can't stress enough how important

it is not to take more than one or two things at once. If you do,

you won't know what is helping and what isn't.

If I were you I would concentrate on cleansing in simple ways.

Drinking alot of pure water, taking a detox bath once or twice a

week (going easy on the stuff you use), etc. For a supplement, I

would maybe only use primal defense and maybe a product like

advaclear or ultraclear that will help your liver detox more gently.

Juicing is ok as long as you start out slow. Like once a day.

First you need to lay off this stuff and get your pain levels down.

It is very tempting to want to load up on everything that people say

helps them. We all want to get better quickly. Unfortuantely, for

most of us it doesn't work that way. I could tell you the things

that help me, but that doesn't mean they will have the same effect

on you---and vice versa. I would stop the chiropractor adjustments

for awhile. They are probably making you herx. Massage can make

some people herx terribly. It is all so individual. But your first

priority is to get your pain and fatigue levels down. The quickest

way to do that is to quit everything that your doing for at least

three days to a week. In that time period, just concentrate on

resting, drinking lots of water, and eating as nutritiously as you

know how. Think positive thoughts and try to destress. See if your

pain levels drop. If they do, you will know you are on the right

track---that you were herxing alot. Then after that, start one

thing only and listen to your body. I hope that helps and that you

have a good thanksgiving. You will get better--it just takes time

and the right approaches. God bless!

love, kathy

> >

> > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel worse after

a

> > massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases those

> toxins

> > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this guy fr

> > several months with no sign of improvement than I would stop

> seeing

> > him. I think you may need to just start with some hot baths once

a

> > week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you post

your

> > list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are

overdoing

> > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of muscle

thing.

> > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they are

also

> > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the requirements to

> > become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the service

as

> a

> > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have absolutely no

> > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for

alternative

> > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work and also

> in

> > natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I am

reading

> a

> > book right now that goes into detail about every " medical "

> technique

> > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating to learn

> > about how and where these things start and on what type of

science

> > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

It looks to me as well like you're taking an awful lot of stuff--I'd stick with the fish oil, multi and chlorella and maybe take a break from the others. Chlorella is a good thing for detoxing--there is another great green powder called Green Vibrance that I take every day--I started when I still had implants, and it made a HUGE difference, got me out of bed, seriously. It has seaweeds, chlorophyl rich plants, adaptogens, etc. You can get it online, just Google it to find the cheapest price.

My uncle, who is suffering from a type of plastic poisoning with symptoms similiar to ours, went to several toxicology

experts in the teaching hospitals here, and they told him that chlorophyl-rich green powders are the best thing for detoxing the body of heavy metals, chemicals, etc. They also suggested a handful of cilantro and a handful of seaweed every day. There's good research to back this up. So crank up the Mexican food and the sushi!

Melinda

Re: Natural Doctor - I'm not feeling better yet

There's nothing wrong with the triangle theory, it makes perfect sense, but it seems to me that you are spending an awful lot of time and money without results. That's a pretty hefty list of supplements! I am only taking primal defense once a day and my multi vitamins with a little extra B complaex and calcium/magnesium. Even though I have had bad days, I am overall greatly improved! I did the fungal defense and then switched to primal and honestly that is all I have done along with strict diet changes. I would seriously consider stopping his reccommendations for a while to see if these other things will work for you. I'm sure that he is very confident in what he is telling you, think of all the money he's making! He may be a great guy with the best of intentions, I don't mean to bash him, I don't know him. But if it isn't working then it isn't working and you should try another method. I hoestly think the primal defense and the diet changes have made the most significant difference in my own healing. I am getting ready to start doing the bath soaks now. I have been too toxic to really do them until now, but I think I am ready to give it a try again. Baths are incredibly cheap and oh so relaxing. : )Big hugs,> >> > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel worse after a > > massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases those > toxins > > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this guy fr > > several months with no sign of improvement than I would stop > seeing > > him. I think you may need to just start with some hot baths once a > > week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you post your > > list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are overdoing > > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of muscle thing. > > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they are also > > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the requirements to > > become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the service as > a > > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have absolutely no > > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for alternative > > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work and also > in > > natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I am reading > a > > book right now that goes into detail about every "medical" > technique > > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating to learn > > about how and where these things start and on what type of science > > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!> > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

I went through a period of horrible back pain last year and went to

a chiropractor that we knew as a family friend. I really thought he

could help me, but in the end, I felt that my money was wasted. I

did feel a difference in the adjustments....he used a machine that I

can't remember the name of now, and I clearly felt the " zing " when

he cleared a blocked energy pathway. It seemed that the science

behind it was all there. However, it didnt' help the pain, and I was

getting a little concerned about the never-ending appointments that

were scheduled.

Finally, I realized that my back pain was due to the overconsumption

of my raw milk! I had fallen in love with chai latte's that I made

with raw milk around the holidays last year and was guzzling them

like crazy. When I finally cut them out, the back pain went away.

And it has stayed away, as long as I am very moderate in my

consumption of foods high in saturated fats.

Saturated fats increase the inflammatory response in our body.

Unsaturated fats decrease it (such as evening primrose oil, fish

oil, flax oil). So, make sure you are cutting back on animal

products and increasing your fish oils or omega 3 fatty acids. See

if that helps.

God bless,

Patty

--- In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...>

wrote:

>

> Hi

> I have been seeing this natural doctor for a few months, taking

lots of

> supplements to detox. He has done some chiropractic adjustments,

but I

> seem to feel worse afterward (a lot). I want to trust him - he's

the

> one who said it may be the implants making me sick. But I am just

> feeling daily worse instead of better. He does not have

experience

> with implants or explants, and maybe there is something he's

missing.

> Has anyone ever had the muscle testing to check for problems, and

do

> you think it is for real? Not only do I want to get better, but I

> don't want to waste my money on numerous appointments and

supplements

> for nothing. I'm thinking I will stop any chiropractic

adjustments

> because of how much worse I feel for a long time afterward.

> Thanks,

> Cherie

>

[Guest guest]

Melinda - Mexican food sounds good, but sushe? Yuk! Did your uncle

have sharp arthritic type pains? I was diagnosed with arthritis in

my left sternoclavicular joint, but since explant it has moved to

the right - soooo strange. Do you take Primal Defense? I think I

am going to go off everything for a few days and then add one thing

at a time - as per Kathy's advice. Everyone has such good advice,

it's hard to know what to do.

Cherie

> >

> >

> > I wonder about the legitimacy of muscle testing too, but when

you

> > are desperate for help, who knows? He seems so sure of

himself,

> and

> > believes in the triangle theory - that if your structure,

> nutrition

> > and emotions are balanced, you will be healthy. I am beginning

to

> > feel that you girls know more about this, and maybe I should

try

> > stopping these and starting Primal Defense. He has me on

> > Omega Rx (fish oil)

> > Cholacol II

> > Parotid

> > Wheat Germ Oil

> > Zymex (digestive enzyme)

> > Calcium Lactate

> > Catalyn (multi??)

> > Pancreatrophin

> > Chlorella

> > --- In , " ktitko " <ktitko@y...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel worse

after

> a

> > > massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases

those

> > toxins

> > > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this guy

fr

> > > several months with no sign of improvement than I would stop

> > seeing

> > > him. I think you may need to just start with some hot baths

once

> a

> > > week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you

post

> your

> > > list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are

> overdoing

> > > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of muscle

> thing.

> > > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they are

> also

> > > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the requirements

to

> > > become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the

service

> as

> > a

> > > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have absolutely

no

> > > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for

> alternative

> > > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work and

also

> > in

> > > natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I am

> reading

> > a

> > > book right now that goes into detail about every " medical "

> > technique

> > > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating to

learn

> > > about how and where these things start and on what type of

> science

> > > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

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>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

I love sushi (the vegetarian kind, like California rolls, etc) but don't much go for raw fish. You can also use seaweed in salads, miso soup, etc. In our house we eat roasted, spicy nori for snacks.

My uncle has terrible joint and muscle pain, fatigue, cognitive problems, etc. All the stuff most of us have had from implants. They think it might be from microwaving food in plastic wrap, which he did a lot as a longtime bachelor. The green powders he's been consuming have helped--he's had his liver biopsied three times already and the levels of chemicals have gone down, though they aren't gone. My poor uncle is another example of how the old corporate motto "Better living through chemistry" (I think Dow said it) is such bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, petroleum in any form is evil, and I will be glad to see the day when petroleum supplies have peaked(some say they have already).

I've never tried Primal Defense. Other than a multi, fish oil and Green Vibrance, I try to stick with simple stuff, as I don't have a big budget for supplements. I use a lot of herbs that I powder and make my own gel caps and tinctures. Tumeric and ginger are two of my faves, really good for inflammation and to stimulate NK cells (which by the way are significantly reduced in people with silicone poisoning).Also, my belief is that if you eat a really clean diet of primarily organic fruits and vegies and get enough rest and exercise, your body will detox well. Of course there are always situations where extra help is needed. I don't have candida symptoms and my gut is fine (knock on wood), or I may have gone in for some of the more powerful detox aids that a lot of the ladies talk about.I am continually amazed at the wealth of healing substances that are right under our noses, things we take for granted-- everyday foods and herbs, etc-- that "science" comes out and "proves" are beneficial.

I know it's hard to figure out your own health regime. Gather everyone's suggestions and then sift through and find what works best for you! Trust yourself. That's the beauty of this forum-- everyone's experience counts.

Melinda

Re: Natural Doctor - I'm not feeling better yet

Melinda - Mexican food sounds good, but sushe? Yuk! Did your uncle have sharp arthritic type pains? I was diagnosed with arthritis in my left sternoclavicular joint, but since explant it has moved to the right - soooo strange. Do you take Primal Defense? I think I am going to go off everything for a few days and then add one thing at a time - as per Kathy's advice. Everyone has such good advice, it's hard to know what to do.Cherie> > >> > > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel worse after > a > > > massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases those > > toxins > > > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this guy fr > > > several months with no sign of improvement than I would stop > > seeing > > > him. I think you may need to just start with some hot baths once > a > > > week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you post > your > > > list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are > overdoing > > > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of muscle > thing. > > > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they are > also > > > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the requirements to > > > become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the service > as > > a > > > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have absolutely no > > > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for > alternative > > > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work and also > > in > > > natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I am > reading > > a > > > book right now that goes into detail about every "medical" > > technique > > > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating to learn > > > about how and where these things start and on what type of > science > > > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> > See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:> http://.shutterfly.com/action/> >