Re: KATHY Natural Doctor - I'm not feeling better yet

[Guest guest]

Kathy - wow - that's a lot of good advice. I thought I was doing

the right thing by following doc's instructions, but kept feeling

worse - pain has never been so bad. Thank you so much. I'm going

to stop the supplements and order the primal defense. I'll keep

going on the water and my juicing though and see what happens. When

was your explant, and how long did it take your symptoms to

improve?

Cherie

> >

> >

> > I wonder about the legitimacy of muscle testing too, but when

you

> > are desperate for help, who knows? He seems so sure of himself,

> and

> > believes in the triangle theory - that if your structure,

> nutrition

> > and emotions are balanced, you will be healthy. I am beginning

to

> > feel that you girls know more about this, and maybe I should try

> > stopping these and starting Primal Defense. He has me on

> > Omega Rx (fish oil)

> > Cholacol II

> > Parotid

> > Wheat Germ Oil

> > Zymex (digestive enzyme)

> > Calcium Lactate

> > Catalyn (multi??)

> > Pancreatrophin

> > Chlorella

> > --- In , " ktitko " <ktitko@y...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel worse

after

> a

> > > massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases those

> > toxins

> > > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this guy fr

> > > several months with no sign of improvement than I would stop

> > seeing

> > > him. I think you may need to just start with some hot baths

once

> a

> > > week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you post

> your

> > > list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are

> overdoing

> > > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of muscle

> thing.

> > > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they are

> also

> > > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the requirements

to

> > > become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the

service

> as

> > a

> > > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have absolutely no

> > > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for

> alternative

> > > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work and

also

> > in

> > > natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I am

> reading

> > a

> > > book right now that goes into detail about every " medical "

> > technique

> > > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating to

learn

> > > about how and where these things start and on what type of

> science

> > > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie

I was explanted four years ago. I started improving on some things

within weeks. For example, my terrible brain fog symptoms left very

rapidly. I was feeling pretty good within a month, but wanted to

detox and make sure that I kept improving and that symptoms didnt

come back. That is when I noticed that I would have a herx

or " cleansing reaction to just about everything. Often I would have

an initial positive reaction to something, but as I continued to

take it and it built up in my body, then all of a sudden pain would

come back and increase. Other supplements or detoxes would produce

an immediate increase in symptoms. Detox baths would make me feel

better right away, and then hours later I would get in terrible

pain. I remember doing a clay detox bath and feeling great

afterward. But hours later, while I was at a church activity, I

developed severe pain in my body and felt like I could barely hobble

home. I also used to develop severe headaches from the bad herxes.

I often bought supplements and quit taking them when I realized I

couldn't tolerate the smallest amounts. Primal defense is one thing

that I always had a very tolerable reaction to. Also oil of

oregano. But olive leaf extract gave me severe herxes. Vitamin C

in high doses--the powdered kind--gives some people relief from

pain. It did work for me. OLive oil and lemon juice mixed together

can also help with pain. It helps the liver detox. That also

worked well for me. I really think that one of the biggest mistakes

we can make is to try and take too many things at once. Doctors

often don't realize that we are as toxic as we are, and they are

eager to get us better by trying us on all these things they think

are good for you. And it isn't that they aren't good for you, it is

just that you might not be able to tolerate them. I took flax seed

oil for weeks in very small amounts and it seemed fine. I worked up

to 1 tbsp a day mixed in cottage cheese. But then all of a sudden I

started having pain all over my body. Three or four days after

going off of it, the pain started subsiding.

I really think a good first approach is to change our diet.

Alkalinizing your diet will help your body unload toxins. And

interesting enough, garlic and onions are both very alkalinizing and

both kill all kinds of pathogens. I eat them regularly now. But I

had become unable to tolerate garlic in any amount until I did a

liver cleanse. It was incredible that one cleanse caused me to

tolerate garlic, onions and peppers again. I am a believer of liver

cleanses now! Most of us have just had to kind of try things to

figure out what helps and what doesn't. There is no guaranteed

formula that will apply to everyone. Getting your implants out was

an important first step. Have faith that you can encourage your

body to heal itself, but it may take many steps forwards and

backwards until it does.

Hugs, kathy

> > > >

> > > > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel worse

> after

> > a

> > > > massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases

those

> > > toxins

> > > > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this guy

fr

> > > > several months with no sign of improvement than I would stop

> > > seeing

> > > > him. I think you may need to just start with some hot baths

> once

> > a

> > > > week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you

post

> > your

> > > > list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are

> > overdoing

> > > > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of muscle

> > thing.

> > > > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they are

> > also

> > > > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the requirements

> to

> > > > become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the

> service

> > as

> > > a

> > > > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have absolutely

no

> > > > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for

> > alternative

> > > > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work and

> also

> > > in

> > > > natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I am

> > reading

> > > a

> > > > book right now that goes into detail about every " medical "

> > > technique

> > > > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating to

> learn

> > > > about how and where these things start and on what type of

> > science

> > > > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You are all so wonderful. You are so right by taking those steps

forward and backward - I intially felt so good, but then started all

these supplements and then felt like I was getting worse instead of

better and was feeling so discouraged. But you have all taken so

much of your time to help me. I can't believe how much I am learning

about detoxing and nutrition and herxing, etc. Thanks A LOT

Cherie

> > > > >

> > > > > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel worse

> > after

> > > a

> > > > > massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases

> those

> > > > toxins

> > > > > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this

guy

> fr

> > > > > several months with no sign of improvement than I would

stop

> > > > seeing

> > > > > him. I think you may need to just start with some hot

baths

> > once

> > > a

> > > > > week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you

> post

> > > your

> > > > > list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are

> > > overdoing

> > > > > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of

muscle

> > > thing.

> > > > > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they

are

> > > also

> > > > > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the

requirements

> > to

> > > > > become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the

> > service

> > > as

> > > > a

> > > > > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have

absolutely

> no

> > > > > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for

> > > alternative

> > > > > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work

and

> > also

> > > > in

> > > > > natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I am

> > > reading

> > > > a

> > > > > book right now that goes into detail about every " medical "

> > > > technique

> > > > > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating to

> > learn

> > > > > about how and where these things start and on what type of

> > > science

> > > > > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't started any detoxing just yet, which probably explains why

I'm still getting the throbbing headaches and the joint pain. I

have noticed that the pain in my teeth seems to have gone away

(knock on wood) and I haven't had numb fingertips since the

explant. It's been tough because I'm in school full time, and then

I've got homework at night, and I'm also pretty weak still from

surgery 2 weeks ago. Most days I drink alot of water, but I haven't

taken any epsom salts baths yet, and I still need to order primal

and fungal defense. I do have oil of oregano on hand, I bought it

before I even knew it was good for implant sickness. I am also

extremely sensitive to supplements, when I still had the implants I

decided to try some and after a few weeks of taking them, the

symptoms all got really bad. I've been eating alot of raw

vegetables. Also, the anxiety that I had pre-explant has gotten

worse post explant (and I think that's because my body was weak to

begin with, and the explant surgery made it weaker) - and I hate to

admit this but I'm taking Xanax right now because the anxiety is

pretty intense.

Sis

> > > > >

> > > > > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel worse

> > after

> > > a

> > > > > massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases

> those

> > > > toxins

> > > > > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this

guy

> fr

> > > > > several months with no sign of improvement than I would

stop

> > > > seeing

> > > > > him. I think you may need to just start with some hot

baths

> > once

> > > a

> > > > > week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you

> post

> > > your

> > > > > list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are

> > > overdoing

> > > > > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of

muscle

> > > thing.

> > > > > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they

are

> > > also

> > > > > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the

requirements

> > to

> > > > > become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the

> > service

> > > as

> > > > a

> > > > > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have

absolutely

> no

> > > > > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for

> > > alternative

> > > > > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work

and

> > also

> > > > in

> > > > > natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I am

> > > reading

> > > > a

> > > > > book right now that goes into detail about every " medical "

> > > > technique

> > > > > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating to

> > learn

> > > > > about how and where these things start and on what type of

> > > science

> > > > > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sis,

Anxiety is challenging, and understandable given all you've gone through. I went through a bad period with an anxiety disorder so I know how debilitating it can be.

There are some good alternative remedies for anxiety that you might want to try. Rescue Remedy is a homeopathic remedy that works pretty good. I-Theanine is an amino acid taken from green tea that works good, too, and has no side effects. There are also herbs that help-- skullcap, lemon balm, passion flower, california poppy, and valerian. I make a tincture from the above herbs (minus the valerian) that I call "Chill Out Elixir." If you want to try it, send me your address and I'll send you a bottle. I have tons!

Have you tried meditation? I know it's hard to fit everything in, but it REALLY helps reprogram your body/mind relaxation response.

I think as you continue to heal you will feel less and less anxious.

Melinda

Re: KATHY Natural Doctor - I'm not feeling better yet

I haven't started any detoxing just yet, which probably explains why I'm still getting the throbbing headaches and the joint pain. I have noticed that the pain in my teeth seems to have gone away (knock on wood) and I haven't had numb fingertips since the explant. It's been tough because I'm in school full time, and then I've got homework at night, and I'm also pretty weak still from surgery 2 weeks ago. Most days I drink alot of water, but I haven't taken any epsom salts baths yet, and I still need to order primal and fungal defense. I do have oil of oregano on hand, I bought it before I even knew it was good for implant sickness. I am also extremely sensitive to supplements, when I still had the implants I decided to try some and after a few weeks of taking them, the symptoms all got really bad. I've been eating alot of raw vegetables. Also, the anxiety that I had pre-explant has gotten worse post explant (and I think that's because my body was weak to begin with, and the explant surgery made it weaker) - and I hate to admit this but I'm taking Xanax right now because the anxiety is pretty intense. Sis > > > > >> > > > > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel worse > > after > > > a > > > > > massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases > those > > > > toxins > > > > > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this guy > fr > > > > > several months with no sign of improvement than I would stop > > > > seeing > > > > > him. I think you may need to just start with some hot baths > > once > > > a > > > > > week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you > post > > > your > > > > > list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are > > > overdoing > > > > > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of muscle > > > thing. > > > > > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they are > > > also > > > > > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the requirements > > to > > > > > become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the > > service > > > as > > > > a > > > > > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have absolutely > no > > > > > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for > > > alternative > > > > > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work and > > also > > > > in > > > > > natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I am > > > reading > > > > a > > > > > book right now that goes into detail about every "medical" > > > > technique > > > > > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating to > > learn > > > > > about how and where these things start and on what type of > > > science > > > > > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Is it Sis? I just ordered my Primal and Fungal defense. Thought

you'd like to know: Someone recommended a web

site " appleadayandbeyond " - so I looked it up and ordered from them,

but here's the deal, you need to CALL them for the lowest price.

Their literature says they are under some sort of fair trade

agreement that prohibits them from advertizing less than 31% off

retail, but if you call them and tell them what you want they will

give you 41% and it is by far the best pricing I've found. Shipping

is free, and you have the products in three days. Good luck.

Charlotte

rea

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel

worse

> > > after

> > > > a

> > > > > > massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases

> > those

> > > > > toxins

> > > > > > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this

> guy

> > fr

> > > > > > several months with no sign of improvement than I would

> stop

> > > > > seeing

> > > > > > him. I think you may need to just start with some hot

> baths

> > > once

> > > > a

> > > > > > week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you

> > post

> > > > your

> > > > > > list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are

> > > > overdoing

> > > > > > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of

> muscle

> > > > thing.

> > > > > > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they

> are

> > > > also

> > > > > > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the

> requirements

> > > to

> > > > > > become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the

> > > service

> > > > as

> > > > > a

> > > > > > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have

> absolutely

> > no

> > > > > > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for

> > > > alternative

> > > > > > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work

> and

> > > also

> > > > > in

> > > > > > natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I

am

> > > > reading

> > > > > a

> > > > > > book right now that goes into detail about

every " medical "

> > > > > technique

> > > > > > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating

to

> > > learn

> > > > > > about how and where these things start and on what type

of

> > > > science

> > > > > > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Melinda, I'd love to try anything that would help. I had

this same type of anxiety about 20 years ago, and I did try herbs

which helped it quite a bit. I just didn't remember what I tried -

and some of the things you've mentioned sound familiar. I

definitely would like something other than the Xanax. Another thing

is since I got the implants my blood pressure went from low to high,

and I'm hoping that when everything settles down in my body, the

blood pressure will respond. I'll send you my address, I'd love to

try the tincture - just let me know what I owe you $$ wise. Haven't

tried meditation lately, although I have a relaxation tape that my

counselor made for me when I was afraid of flying - maybe I'll try

that over the weekend.

Sis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel

worse

> > > after

> > > > a

> > > > > > massage or adjustment because the manipulation

releases

> > those

> > > > > toxins

> > > > > > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing

this

> guy

> > fr

> > > > > > several months with no sign of improvement than I

would

> stop

> > > > > seeing

> > > > > > him. I think you may need to just start with some hot

> baths

> > > once

> > > > a

> > > > > > week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could

you

> > post

> > > > your

> > > > > > list of supplements so we can help you decide if you

are

> > > > overdoing

> > > > > > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of

> muscle

> > > > thing.

> > > > > > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless

they

> are

> > > > also

> > > > > > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the

> requirements

> > > to

> > > > > > become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest

the

> > > service

> > > > as

> > > > > a

> > > > > > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have

> absolutely

> > no

> > > > > > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for

> > > > alternative

> > > > > > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic

work

> and

> > > also

> > > > > in

> > > > > > natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I

am

> > > > reading

> > > > > a

> > > > > > book right now that goes into detail about

every " medical "

> > > > > technique

> > > > > > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's

fascinating to

> > > learn

> > > > > > about how and where these things start and on what

type of

> > > > science

> > > > > > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sis--

Your money's not good here! I have lots of this tincture. Did you send your address privately?

Melinda

Re: KATHY Natural Doctor - I'm not feeling better yet

Thanks Melinda, I'd love to try anything that would help. I had this same type of anxiety about 20 years ago, and I did try herbs which helped it quite a bit. I just didn't remember what I tried - and some of the things you've mentioned sound familiar. I definitely would like something other than the Xanax. Another thing is since I got the implants my blood pressure went from low to high, and I'm hoping that when everything settles down in my body, the blood pressure will respond. I'll send you my address, I'd love to try the tincture - just let me know what I owe you $$ wise. Haven't tried meditation lately, although I have a relaxation tape that my counselor made for me when I was afraid of flying - maybe I'll try that over the weekend.Sis> > > > > >> > > > > > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to feel worse > > > after > > > > a > > > > > > massage or adjustment because the manipulation releases > > those > > > > > toxins > > > > > > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing this > guy > > fr > > > > > > several months with no sign of improvement than I would > stop > > > > > seeing > > > > > > him. I think you may need to just start with some hot > baths > > > once > > > > a > > > > > > week and let your body really rest inbewtween. Could you > > post > > > > your > > > > > > list of supplements so we can help you decide if you are > > > > overdoing > > > > > > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind of > muscle > > > > thing. > > > > > > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained unless they > are > > > > also > > > > > > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the > requirements > > > to > > > > > > become an ND have come a long way, but to be honest the > > > service > > > > as > > > > > a > > > > > > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have > absolutely > > no > > > > > > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for > > > > alternative > > > > > > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic work > and > > > also > > > > > in > > > > > > natural doctors, but not when they suggest quackery. I am > > > > reading > > > > > a > > > > > > book right now that goes into detail about every "medical" > > > > > technique > > > > > > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's fascinating to > > > learn > > > > > > about how and where these things start and on what type of > > > > science > > > > > > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> > See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:> http://.shutterfly.com/action/> >

[Guest guest]

Melinda - thanks, just sent you the address.

Sis

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cherie, when you are very toxic it is normal to

feel

> worse

> > > > after

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > massage or adjustment because the manipulation

> releases

> > > those

> > > > > > toxins

> > > > > > > into your body. HOWEVER... if you have been seeing

> this

> > guy

> > > fr

> > > > > > > several months with no sign of improvement than I

> would

> > stop

> > > > > > seeing

> > > > > > > him. I think you may need to just start with some

hot

> > baths

> > > > once

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > week and let your body really rest inbewtween.

Could

> you

> > > post

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > list of supplements so we can help you decide if

you

> are

> > > > > overdoing

> > > > > > > it? Also, I would not spend any money on any kind

of

> > muscle

> > > > > thing.

> > > > > > > Most natural doctors are very poorly trained

unless

> they

> > are

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > MDs. The world of NDs is getting better and the

> > requirements

> > > > to

> > > > > > > become an ND have come a long way, but to be

honest

> the

> > > > service

> > > > > as

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > whole was founed on these quacky tests that have

> > absolutely

> > > no

> > > > > > > science behind them. Don't get me wrong, I am 100%

for

> > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > therapies, and I do believe highly in chiropractic

> work

> > and

> > > > also

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > natural doctors, but not when they suggest

quackery. I

> am

> > > > > reading

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > book right now that goes into detail about

> every " medical "

> > > > > > technique

> > > > > > > and it's foundation and it's progress. It's

> fascinating to

> > > > learn

> > > > > > > about how and where these things start and on what

> type of

> > > > > science

> > > > > > > they are founded in. Including regular MD medicine!

> > > > > > >

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