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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002675404_katz10e.html

Health crisis turns ex-hospital CEO to natural

medicine

By Krishnan

Three years ago, Treuman Katz got some troubling news:

At 60, he was on his way to becoming a diabetic.

Katz, CEO of Children's Hospital & Regional Medical

Center at the time, could have relied on the region's

top specialists. Instead, the man who had spent nearly

40 years running two of the country's pre-eminent

hospitals reached out to a naturopathic doctor.

He took herbal supplements, changed his diet, started

yoga and hired a naturopathic trainer. Soon, his blood

sugar dropped and he began to feel healthier than he

had in years, he said.

" The body and spirit are inextricably tied together in

natural medicine, " he said. " You don't hear that in

Western medicine. It's always just about the body. "

Such comments might raise eyebrows coming from someone

like Katz. This is, after all, a man who has been

enveloped in the world of conventional medicine since

birth. Katz headed Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los

Angeles for nearly a decade, and was the nation's

longest-running CEO of a children's hospital — 26

years — before retiring in September at 63.

Katz acknowledges that integrating natural and

conventional medicine can be a tough sell in America's

prescription-happy culture. But he's convinced that

merging both is vital to the future of the health-care

industry.

Bastyr University

Year opened: 1978

Student population: 31 in 1978; about 1,150 now

Location: On 51 acres in Kenmore adjacent to St.

State Park. The school bought the land from the

Seattle Catholic Archdiocese last month with plans for

a $200 million expansion, including more academic

buildings and 350 housing units.

Annual budget: $26 million for the 2005-06 fiscal year

Major degrees offered: Doctorate in naturopathic

medicine; master's and doctorate in acupuncture and

Oriental medicine; bachelor and master of science in

nutrition

For more information on Bastyr University, go to

www.bastyr.edu

So much so that days before he left Children's, Katz

joined the board of trustees at Bastyr University in

Kenmore, one of the largest and arguably most

prestigious naturopathic schools in the country. He

also will serve on an advisory board of a new holistic

athletic club in Bellevue, where he lives.

" My objective is not to convert, " Katz said. " But the

bottom line is that the cost of health care is

staggering because we're not taking care of underlying

issues. "

" Little Doc "

Katz never planned on becoming a voice for integrative

medicine. The son of a pediatrician, he grew up in

Long Beach, Calif., with the expectation he would

follow in his father's path.

" I was called 'Little Doc' at the barber shop, " he

said.

It wasn't meant to be. As a student in the 1960s at

the University of California, Berkeley, Katz

discovered he was more drawn to the administrative

side of health care.

" Hospitals are like a microcosm of society, " he said.

" It's every issue you can think of under one place. "

At Cedars-Sinai in the 1970s, he oversaw a glamorous

hospital frequented by the rich and famous, but in

time grew weary of their self-indulgence, he said.

" I had to tell that she couldn't have

violin players in her room. Then I had to tell Zsa Zsa

Gabor she couldn't bring in her dogs because it was

against public health code. "

He arrived at Children's to elevate a struggling

hospital into a " national star. " Longtime colleagues

credit Katz with transforming a financially unstable

center into one of the country's top-ranked pediatric

institutions.

As Katz focused on getting the hospital in shape, his

own health took a back seat. He rarely exercised, and

because he was always slim, he paid little attention

to his diet, he said.

That changed after he met his second wife, Sue Ellen,

in the early '90s. She was a big supporter of holistic

medicine and saw a naturopathic doctor.

But Katz wasn't into it. " I came from a family where

the two words that were anathema were 'chiropractor'

and 'osteopathy,' " he said, referring to a branch of

medicine based on the belief that the body has an

innate ability to heal itself.

When they started dating, Katz took Sue Ellen on a

tour of Children's. She had some questions.

" What's happening with prevention? " she asked. " Is

there anything in the works for your MDs to be working

with naturopathic physicians? "

" We're not really geared in that direction, " he

replied.

" I think you should be, " she said.

It wasn't until Katz faced his own health crisis that

her words sank in. In 1994, five months after their

marriage, Katz underwent heart-bypass surgery — one

main artery was 90 percent blocked.

He emerged from the experience with a far more open

mind about preventive therapies and the value of

proactive vs. " reactive " health care, he said.

" I looked at my own personal health, and I looked at

these young kids [at Children's], " he said. " Why did

all these kids have to be hospitalized? And what could

we do about it? "

Noticing a trend

That opportunity came five years ago, when Katz and

his medical staff started to notice an intriguing

trend: More than half of their patients were using

natural medicine but not telling their doctors.

Therapies ranged from herbal supplements to

acupuncture.

What Katz saw reflected a nationwide boom in the

natural-medicine industry. A 2002 study of 31,000

adults by the Centers for Disease Control and

Prevention found that 55 percent used alternative

therapies to complement conventional treatments. In

Western Washington, more than 70 percent of cancer

patients used everything from herbal supplements to

massage therapy to naturopathic doctors to enhance

their health, according to a study published in 2002

by the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center.

" I had to ask myself, 'What are we doing to help

families who believe in this?' " Katz said.

Most medical providers are unfamiliar with

naturopathy, said Rich Molteni, Children's medical

director.

" If we wanted to be traditionalists and bury our heads

in the sand, we could have, " he said. " But there was a

risk that natural medicine added to traditional

pharmaceuticals could produce adverse effects. "

So Katz organized a small group of physicians to visit

Bastyr to start connecting NDs — naturopathic doctors

— and MDs, Molteni said.

Brown-bag lunches with Bastyr naturopaths followed.

The hospital put together a group to study how herbs

could affect drugs. It hired two

anesthesiologists/acupuncturists and will work with

Bastyr to bring on a chiropractor, a naturopathic

doctor and a traditional Chinese-medicine practitioner

within the next year or two.

Bridging the divide

Some call Katz a pioneer.

" Treuman Katz was bold, and he wasn't afraid to

venture out, " said K. Church, president of

Bastyr. " He has also deeply integrated [natural

medicine] in his own life. Because of that, Children's

is ahead of the curve. But there is a real movement

behind him. Where good medicine is practiced, it is

invariably a combination of all medicine. "

Bastyr officials hope Katz's presence on the board

will help bridge the divide between the natural and

conventional-medicine communities. The timing seems

right: The university is planning a $200 million

expansion at its Kenmore campus and has $1.1 million

in federal research under way.

Hospitals can't afford to waste time when it comes to

prevention, Katz said, citing childhood diabetes.

" We literally have an epidemic. [Children] are eating

junk, getting fat and getting diabetes. As an advocate

for kids' health, you want to keep them out of the

hospital. Prevention ... that's the gift. "

Katz is setting an example. He works out twice a week

at the Bellevue Athletic Club with his trainer, a

Bastyr graduate. Additional yoga classes have

increased his core flexibility, and Chinese herbs

combined with a healthier diet keep his glucose levels

in check.

His body fat has dropped to 14 percent, and his neck,

back and hip pain have disappeared, he said.

Katz now blends both spheres of care into his personal

life. When he gets advice from a medical doctor, he

bounces it off his naturopathic physician. Once, he

went to his sports-medicine doctor with his

naturopathic trainer in tow, he said.

Katz knows skeptics are out there, but he's

undeterred. The turnaround in his health has yielded

precious dividends, he said.

" Many support [natural medicine], and frankly, others

are suspicious, " he said. " But I feel energized,

vital. If Eastern medicine and Western medicine become

more acquainted with each other, it can bring

something greater to the health-care field. "

Krishnan: 206-515-5546 or

skrishnan@...

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Wow, what a breath of fresh air to read that. This is the direction

we need to go in America.

Patty

>

> Thanks Ilena,

>

> ------------------------

>

>

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002675404_katz10e.ht

ml

>

> Health crisis turns ex-hospital CEO to natural

> medicine

> By Krishnan

>

>

> Three years ago, Treuman Katz got some troubling news:

> At 60, he was on his way to becoming a diabetic.

>

> Katz, CEO of Children's Hospital & Regional Medical

> Center at the time, could have relied on the region's

> top specialists. Instead, the man who had spent nearly

> 40 years running two of the country's pre-eminent

> hospitals reached out to a naturopathic doctor.

>

> He took herbal supplements, changed his diet, started

> yoga and hired a naturopathic trainer. Soon, his blood

> sugar dropped and he began to feel healthier than he

> had in years, he said.

>

> " The body and spirit are inextricably tied together in

> natural medicine, " he said. " You don't hear that in

> Western medicine. It's always just about the body. "

>

> Such comments might raise eyebrows coming from someone

> like Katz. This is, after all, a man who has been

> enveloped in the world of conventional medicine since

> birth. Katz headed Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los

> Angeles for nearly a decade, and was the nation's

> longest-running CEO of a children's hospital — 26

> years — before retiring in September at 63.

>

> Katz acknowledges that integrating natural and

> conventional medicine can be a tough sell in America's

> prescription-happy culture. But he's convinced that

> merging both is vital to the future of the health-care

> industry.

>

> Bastyr University

>

>

> Year opened: 1978

>

> Student population: 31 in 1978; about 1,150 now

>

> Location: On 51 acres in Kenmore adjacent to St.

> State Park. The school bought the land from the

> Seattle Catholic Archdiocese last month with plans for

> a $200 million expansion, including more academic

> buildings and 350 housing units.

>

> Annual budget: $26 million for the 2005-06 fiscal year

>

> Major degrees offered: Doctorate in naturopathic

> medicine; master's and doctorate in acupuncture and

> Oriental medicine; bachelor and master of science in

> nutrition

>

> For more information on Bastyr University, go to

> www.bastyr.edu

>

> So much so that days before he left Children's, Katz

> joined the board of trustees at Bastyr University in

> Kenmore, one of the largest and arguably most

> prestigious naturopathic schools in the country. He

> also will serve on an advisory board of a new holistic

> athletic club in Bellevue, where he lives.

>

> " My objective is not to convert, " Katz said. " But the

> bottom line is that the cost of health care is

> staggering because we're not taking care of underlying

> issues. "

>

> " Little Doc "

>

> Katz never planned on becoming a voice for integrative

> medicine. The son of a pediatrician, he grew up in

> Long Beach, Calif., with the expectation he would

> follow in his father's path.

>

> " I was called 'Little Doc' at the barber shop, " he

> said.

>

> It wasn't meant to be. As a student in the 1960s at

> the University of California, Berkeley, Katz

> discovered he was more drawn to the administrative

> side of health care.

>

> " Hospitals are like a microcosm of society, " he said.

> " It's every issue you can think of under one place. "

>

> At Cedars-Sinai in the 1970s, he oversaw a glamorous

> hospital frequented by the rich and famous, but in

> time grew weary of their self-indulgence, he said.

>

> " I had to tell that she couldn't have

> violin players in her room. Then I had to tell Zsa Zsa

> Gabor she couldn't bring in her dogs because it was

> against public health code. "

>

> He arrived at Children's to elevate a struggling

> hospital into a " national star. " Longtime colleagues

> credit Katz with transforming a financially unstable

> center into one of the country's top-ranked pediatric

> institutions.

>

> As Katz focused on getting the hospital in shape, his

> own health took a back seat. He rarely exercised, and

> because he was always slim, he paid little attention

> to his diet, he said.

>

> That changed after he met his second wife, Sue Ellen,

> in the early '90s. She was a big supporter of holistic

> medicine and saw a naturopathic doctor.

>

> But Katz wasn't into it. " I came from a family where

> the two words that were anathema were 'chiropractor'

> and 'osteopathy,' " he said, referring to a branch of

> medicine based on the belief that the body has an

> innate ability to heal itself.

>

> When they started dating, Katz took Sue Ellen on a

> tour of Children's. She had some questions.

>

> " What's happening with prevention? " she asked. " Is

> there anything in the works for your MDs to be working

> with naturopathic physicians? "

>

> " We're not really geared in that direction, " he

> replied.

>

> " I think you should be, " she said.

>

> It wasn't until Katz faced his own health crisis that

> her words sank in. In 1994, five months after their

> marriage, Katz underwent heart-bypass surgery — one

> main artery was 90 percent blocked.

>

> He emerged from the experience with a far more open

> mind about preventive therapies and the value of

> proactive vs. " reactive " health care, he said.

>

> " I looked at my own personal health, and I looked at

> these young kids [at Children's], " he said. " Why did

> all these kids have to be hospitalized? And what could

> we do about it? "

>

> Noticing a trend

>

> That opportunity came five years ago, when Katz and

> his medical staff started to notice an intriguing

> trend: More than half of their patients were using

> natural medicine but not telling their doctors.

> Therapies ranged from herbal supplements to

> acupuncture.

>

> What Katz saw reflected a nationwide boom in the

> natural-medicine industry. A 2002 study of 31,000

> adults by the Centers for Disease Control and

> Prevention found that 55 percent used alternative

> therapies to complement conventional treatments. In

> Western Washington, more than 70 percent of cancer

> patients used everything from herbal supplements to

> massage therapy to naturopathic doctors to enhance

> their health, according to a study published in 2002

> by the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center.

>

> " I had to ask myself, 'What are we doing to help

> families who believe in this?' " Katz said.

>

> Most medical providers are unfamiliar with

> naturopathy, said Rich Molteni, Children's medical

> director.

>

> " If we wanted to be traditionalists and bury our heads

> in the sand, we could have, " he said. " But there was a

> risk that natural medicine added to traditional

> pharmaceuticals could produce adverse effects. "

>

> So Katz organized a small group of physicians to visit

> Bastyr to start connecting NDs — naturopathic doctors

> — and MDs, Molteni said.

>

> Brown-bag lunches with Bastyr naturopaths followed.

> The hospital put together a group to study how herbs

> could affect drugs. It hired two

> anesthesiologists/acupuncturists and will work with

> Bastyr to bring on a chiropractor, a naturopathic

> doctor and a traditional Chinese-medicine practitioner

> within the next year or two.

>

> Bridging the divide

>

> Some call Katz a pioneer.

>

> " Treuman Katz was bold, and he wasn't afraid to

> venture out, " said K. Church, president of

> Bastyr. " He has also deeply integrated [natural

> medicine] in his own life. Because of that, Children's

> is ahead of the curve. But there is a real movement

> behind him. Where good medicine is practiced, it is

> invariably a combination of all medicine. "

>

> Bastyr officials hope Katz's presence on the board

> will help bridge the divide between the natural and

> conventional-medicine communities. The timing seems

> right: The university is planning a $200 million

> expansion at its Kenmore campus and has $1.1 million

> in federal research under way.

>

> Hospitals can't afford to waste time when it comes to

> prevention, Katz said, citing childhood diabetes.

>

> " We literally have an epidemic. [Children] are eating

> junk, getting fat and getting diabetes. As an advocate

> for kids' health, you want to keep them out of the

> hospital. Prevention ... that's the gift. "

>

> Katz is setting an example. He works out twice a week

> at the Bellevue Athletic Club with his trainer, a

> Bastyr graduate. Additional yoga classes have

> increased his core flexibility, and Chinese herbs

> combined with a healthier diet keep his glucose levels

> in check.

>

> His body fat has dropped to 14 percent, and his neck,

> back and hip pain have disappeared, he said.

>

> Katz now blends both spheres of care into his personal

> life. When he gets advice from a medical doctor, he

> bounces it off his naturopathic physician. Once, he

> went to his sports-medicine doctor with his

> naturopathic trainer in tow, he said.

>

> Katz knows skeptics are out there, but he's

> undeterred. The turnaround in his health has yielded

> precious dividends, he said.

>

> " Many support [natural medicine], and frankly, others

> are suspicious, " he said. " But I feel energized,

> vital. If Eastern medicine and Western medicine become

> more acquainted with each other, it can bring

> something greater to the health-care field. "

>

> Krishnan: 206-515-5546 or

> skrishnan@s...

>

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Yippee! We need a few thousand (hundreds of thousands) more like him.

Lynda

At 08:16 AM 12/10/2005, you wrote:

>Thanks Ilena,

>

>------------------------

>

><http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002675404_katz10e.html>http:/\

/seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002675404_katz10e.html

>

>Health crisis turns ex-hospital CEO to natural

>medicine

>By Krishnan

>

>

>Three years ago, Treuman Katz got some troubling news:

>At 60, he was on his way to becoming a diabetic.

>

>Katz, CEO of Children's Hospital & Regional Medical

>Center at the time, could have relied on the region's

>top specialists. Instead, the man who had spent nearly

>40 years running two of the country's pre-eminent

>hospitals reached out to a naturopathic doctor.

>

>He took herbal supplements, changed his diet, started

>yoga and hired a naturopathic trainer. Soon, his blood

>sugar dropped and he began to feel healthier than he

>had in years, he said.

>

> " The body and spirit are inextricably tied together in

>natural medicine, " he said. " You don't hear that in

>Western medicine. It's always just about the body. "

>

>Such comments might raise eyebrows coming from someone

>like Katz. This is, after all, a man who has been

>enveloped in the world of conventional medicine since

>birth. Katz headed Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los

>Angeles for nearly a decade, and was the nation's

>longest-running CEO of a children's hospital — 26

>years — before retiring in September at 63.

>

>Katz acknowledges that integrating natural and

>conventional medicine can be a tough sell in America's

>prescription-happy culture. But he's convinced that

>merging both is vital to the future of the health-care

>industry.

>

>Bastyr University

>

>

>Year opened: 1978

>

>Student population: 31 in 1978; about 1,150 now

>

>Location: On 51 acres in Kenmore adjacent to St.

> State Park. The school bought the land from the

>Seattle Catholic Archdiocese last month with plans for

>a $200 million expansion, including more academic

>buildings and 350 housing units.

>

>Annual budget: $26 million for the 2005-06 fiscal year

>

>Major degrees offered: Doctorate in naturopathic

>medicine; master's and doctorate in acupuncture and

>Oriental medicine; bachelor and master of science in

>nutrition

>

>For more information on Bastyr University, go to

>www.bastyr.edu

>

>So much so that days before he left Children's, Katz

>joined the board of trustees at Bastyr University in

>Kenmore, one of the largest and arguably most

>prestigious naturopathic schools in the country. He

>also will serve on an advisory board of a new holistic

>athletic club in Bellevue, where he lives.

>

> " My objective is not to convert, " Katz said. " But the

>bottom line is that the cost of health care is

>staggering because we're not taking care of underlying

>issues. "

>

> " Little Doc "

>

>Katz never planned on becoming a voice for integrative

>medicine. The son of a pediatrician, he grew up in

>Long Beach, Calif., with the expectation he would

>follow in his father's path.

>

> " I was called 'Little Doc' at the barber shop, " he

>said.

>

>It wasn't meant to be. As a student in the 1960s at

>the University of California, Berkeley, Katz

>discovered he was more drawn to the administrative

>side of health care.

>

> " Hospitals are like a microcosm of society, " he said.

> " It's every issue you can think of under one place. "

>

>At Cedars-Sinai in the 1970s, he oversaw a glamorous

>hospital frequented by the rich and famous, but in

>time grew weary of their self-indulgence, he said.

>

> " I had to tell that she couldn't have

>violin players in her room. Then I had to tell Zsa Zsa

>Gabor she couldn't bring in her dogs because it was

>against public health code. "

>

>He arrived at Children's to elevate a struggling

>hospital into a " national star. " Longtime colleagues

>credit Katz with transforming a financially unstable

>center into one of the country's top-ranked pediatric

>institutions.

>

>As Katz focused on getting the hospital in shape, his

>own health took a back seat. He rarely exercised, and

>because he was always slim, he paid little attention

>to his diet, he said.

>

>That changed after he met his second wife, Sue Ellen,

>in the early '90s. She was a big supporter of holistic

>medicine and saw a naturopathic doctor.

>

>But Katz wasn't into it. " I came from a family where

>the two words that were anathema were 'chiropractor'

>and 'osteopathy,' " he said, referring to a branch of

>medicine based on the belief that the body has an

>innate ability to heal itself.

>

>When they started dating, Katz took Sue Ellen on a

>tour of Children's. She had some questions.

>

> " What's happening with prevention? " she asked. " Is

>there anything in the works for your MDs to be working

>with naturopathic physicians? "

>

> " We're not really geared in that direction, " he

>replied.

>

> " I think you should be, " she said.

>

>It wasn't until Katz faced his own health crisis that

>her words sank in. In 1994, five months after their

>marriage, Katz underwent heart-bypass surgery — one

>main artery was 90 percent blocked.

>

>He emerged from the experience with a far more open

>mind about preventive therapies and the value of

>proactive vs. " reactive " health care, he said.

>

> " I looked at my own personal health, and I looked at

>these young kids [at Children's], " he said. " Why did

>all these kids have to be hospitalized? And what could

>we do about it? "

>

>Noticing a trend

>

>That opportunity came five years ago, when Katz and

>his medical staff started to notice an intriguing

>trend: More than half of their patients were using

>natural medicine but not telling their doctors.

>Therapies ranged from herbal supplements to

>acupuncture.

>

>What Katz saw reflected a nationwide boom in the

>natural-medicine industry. A 2002 study of 31,000

>adults by the Centers for Disease Control and

>Prevention found that 55 percent used alternative

>therapies to complement conventional treatments. In

>Western Washington, more than 70 percent of cancer

>patients used everything from herbal supplements to

>massage therapy to naturopathic doctors to enhance

>their health, according to a study published in 2002

>by the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center.

>

> " I had to ask myself, 'What are we doing to help

>families who believe in this?' " Katz said.

>

>Most medical providers are unfamiliar with

>naturopathy, said Rich Molteni, Children's medical

>director.

>

> " If we wanted to be traditionalists and bury our heads

>in the sand, we could have, " he said. " But there was a

>risk that natural medicine added to traditional

>pharmaceuticals could produce adverse effects. "

>

>So Katz organized a small group of physicians to visit

>Bastyr to start connecting NDs — naturopathic doctors

>— and MDs, Molteni said.

>

>Brown-bag lunches with Bastyr naturopaths followed.

>The hospital put together a group to study how herbs

>could affect drugs. It hired two

>anesthesiologists/acupuncturists and will work with

>Bastyr to bring on a chiropractor, a naturopathic

>doctor and a traditional Chinese-medicine practitioner

>within the next year or two.

>

>Bridging the divide

>

>Some call Katz a pioneer.

>

> " Treuman Katz was bold, and he wasn't afraid to

>venture out, " said K. Church, president of

>Bastyr. " He has also deeply integrated [natural

>medicine] in his own life. Because of that, Children's

>is ahead of the curve. But there is a real movement

>behind him. Where good medicine is practiced, it is

>invariably a combination of all medicine. "

>

>Bastyr officials hope Katz's presence on the board

>will help bridge the divide between the natural and

>conventional-medicine communities. The timing seems

>right: The university is planning a $200 million

>expansion at its Kenmore campus and has $1.1 million

>in federal research under way.

>

>Hospitals can't afford to waste time when it comes to

>prevention, Katz said, citing childhood diabetes.

>

> " We literally have an epidemic. [Children] are eating

>junk, getting fat and getting diabetes. As an advocate

>for kids' health, you want to keep them out of the

>hospital. Prevention ... that's the gift. "

>

>Katz is setting an example. He works out twice a week

>at the Bellevue Athletic Club with his trainer, a

>Bastyr graduate. Additional yoga classes have

>increased his core flexibility, and Chinese herbs

>combined with a healthier diet keep his glucose levels

>in check.

>

>His body fat has dropped to 14 percent, and his neck,

>back and hip pain have disappeared, he said.

>

>Katz now blends both spheres of care into his personal

>life. When he gets advice from a medical doctor, he

>bounces it off his naturopathic physician. Once, he

>went to his sports-medicine doctor with his

>naturopathic trainer in tow, he said.

>

>Katz knows skeptics are out there, but he's

>undeterred. The turnaround in his health has yielded

>precious dividends, he said.

>

> " Many support [natural medicine], and frankly, others

>are suspicious, " he said. " But I feel energized,

>vital. If Eastern medicine and Western medicine become

>more acquainted with each other, it can bring

>something greater to the health-care field. "

>

> Krishnan: 206-515-5546 or

>skrishnan@...

>

>

>

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