Re: cherie, and everyone..............

December 7, 2005

Hi,

What do they charge you if you go outside your plan? Usually is is 20-30%

and might well be worth it to find the right doctor.

Lynda

At 01:58 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote:

>thanks so much for your prayers...i am in phoenix, and have been on

>this quest for weeks....women in this support group have given me

>good advice, and i have tried the naturalpathic clinic, the ARE

>clinic, etc.....and now that it seems, because of the cancer piece of

>the puzzle, that my insurance should pay, i am going through the list

>of PSs on my plan....no luck so far, and so ALL prayers are

>appreciated! my surgery needs to happen soon, as symptoms are

>getting worse each day....thanks to everyone once again.......

>

>kathie

>

> > >

> > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with skill and

>the

> > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell the story

> > of

> > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has specific

> > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally agress, since i

> > have

> > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that yes, the

> > implants

> > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come out....i

> > have

> > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no longer take

> > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do explants,

>and

> > > the from others, i have not received return calls.....given this

> > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i asked the

> > PA @

> > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor will respond

> > to

> > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the specifics you

> > all

> > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > surgery.....there

> > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i can

> > determine,

> > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i am

> > extremely

> > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my symtoms are

> > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i still need

> > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will take me on

>as

> > a

> > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it is cancer

> > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and most of

> > the

> > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really depressed....even using

>the

> > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off even more

> > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my pain...and

>the

> > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the way when i

> > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my doctor's office

> > is

> > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still slightly

> > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone who read

> > this

> > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have isolated

> > the

> > > last couple of years, as my health has deteriorated......thanks

> > again

> > >

> > > kathie

> > >

> >

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/action/

>

December 7, 2005

i have the kind of plan, which is terrible, but what teachers get in

my district, where you can't go outside the plan......i wish i

could...

kathie

> > > >

> > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with skill and

> >the

> > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell the

story

> > > of

> > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has

specific

> > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally agress,

since i

> > > have

> > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that yes, the

> > > implants

> > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come out....i

> > > have

> > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no longer take

> > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do explants,

> >and

> > > > the from others, i have not received return calls.....given

this

> > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i asked

the

> > > PA @

> > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor will

respond

> > > to

> > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the specifics

you

> > > all

> > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > surgery.....there

> > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i can

> > > determine,

> > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i am

> > > extremely

> > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my symtoms

are

> > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i still need

> > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will take me

on

> >as

> > > a

> > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it is

cancer

> > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and most

of

> > > the

> > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really depressed....even using

> >the

> > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off even

more

> > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my pain...and

> >the

> > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the way

when i

> > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my doctor's

office

> > > is

> > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still

slightly

> > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone who read

> > > this

> > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have

isolated

> > > the

> > > > last couple of years, as my health has

deteriorated......thanks

> > > again

> > > >

> > > > kathie

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

by

> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed

> >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how

to live

> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shu

tterfly.com/action/

> >

December 7, 2005

Kathie

I will certainly keep you in my prayers. I know that things seem

very down right now, but remain positive that things will work out.

Can you go to any surgeon you want or do you have to go only to

certain ones for your insurance to pay? I am not sure I understand

how your insurance works.

Hugs, Kathy

> > >

> > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with skill and

> the

> > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell the

story

> > of

> > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has

specific

> > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally agress, since

i

> > have

> > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that yes, the

> > implants

> > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come out....i

> > have

> > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no longer take

> > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do explants,

> and

> > > the from others, i have not received return calls.....given

this

> > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i asked

the

> > PA @

> > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor will

respond

> > to

> > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the specifics

you

> > all

> > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > surgery.....there

> > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i can

> > determine,

> > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i am

> > extremely

> > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my symtoms

are

> > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i still need

> > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will take me

on

> as

> > a

> > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it is

cancer

> > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and most

of

> > the

> > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really depressed....even using

> the

> > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off even

more

> > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my pain...and

> the

> > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the way

when i

> > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my doctor's

office

> > is

> > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still

slightly

> > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone who read

> > this

> > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have

isolated

> > the

> > > last couple of years, as my health has

deteriorated......thanks

> > again

> > >

> > > kathie

> > >

> >

>

December 7, 2005

Kathie

I agree with Lynda. If you can't find a good PS soon under their

plan, I would find a way to finance it and go to someone that takes

them out properly. It would seem to me that Aetna would have to pay

for you to go outside the plan if no one in the plan will do the

explant or is qualified to do it correctly.

Hugs Kathy

> > > >

> > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with skill

and

> >the

> > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell the

story

> > > of

> > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has

specific

> > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally agress,

since i

> > > have

> > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that yes, the

> > > implants

> > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come

out....i

> > > have

> > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no longer take

> > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

explants,

> >and

> > > > the from others, i have not received return calls.....given

this

> > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i asked

the

> > > PA @

> > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor will

respond

> > > to

> > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the specifics

you

> > > all

> > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > surgery.....there

> > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i can

> > > determine,

> > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i am

> > > extremely

> > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my symtoms

are

> > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i still

need

> > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will take me

on

> >as

> > > a

> > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it is

cancer

> > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and most

of

> > > the

> > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really depressed....even

using

> >the

> > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off even

more

> > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

pain...and

> >the

> > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the way

when i

> > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my doctor's

office

> > > is

> > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still

slightly

> > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone who

read

> > > this

> > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have

isolated

> > > the

> > > > last couple of years, as my health has

deteriorated......thanks

> > > again

> > > >

> > > > kathie

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by

> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed

> >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live

> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

ing,

> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

utterfly.com/action/

> >

December 7, 2005

interesting that you would mention that...i am waiting for

a " supervisor " of some sort from aetna to call me regarding

this....so far, the people who answer the phone just keep telling me

that doctors have the right to not take me as a patient! please do,

everyone, pray for me, for the means to make this happen, for us all,

and for sanity in this world that allows these behaviors....

blessings

kathie

> > > > >

> > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with skill

> and

> > >the

> > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell the

> story

> > > > of

> > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has

> specific

> > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally agress,

> since i

> > > > have

> > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that yes, the

> > > > implants

> > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come

> out....i

> > > > have

> > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no longer

take

> > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

> explants,

> > >and

> > > > > the from others, i have not received return calls.....given

> this

> > > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i

asked

> the

> > > > PA @

> > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor will

> respond

> > > > to

> > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the

specifics

> you

> > > > all

> > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i can

> > > > determine,

> > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i am

> > > > extremely

> > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my

symtoms

> are

> > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i still

> need

> > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will take

me

> on

> > >as

> > > > a

> > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it is

> cancer

> > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and

most

> of

> > > > the

> > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really depressed....even

> using

> > >the

> > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off

even

> more

> > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> pain...and

> > >the

> > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the way

> when i

> > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my doctor's

> office

> > > > is

> > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still

> slightly

> > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone who

> read

> > > > this

> > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have

> isolated

> > > > the

> > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> deteriorated......thanks

> > > > again

> > > > >

> > > > > kathie

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by

> > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed

> > >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you.

> > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> how to live

> > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> ing,

> > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> >

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> utterfly.com/action/

> > >

December 7, 2005

Kathy & Kathie,

If any doctor on her plan will remove the implants, insurance won't pay for her

to go to

someone outside of the plan. Insurance will not recognize the need for an en

bloc

procedure. I tried that, with Humana. They ended up paying out of network for

me to go

to Kolb. If I had had an HMO, I would have been out of luck.

> > > > >

> > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with skill

> and

> > >the

> > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell the

> story

> > > > of

> > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has

> specific

> > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally agress,

> since i

> > > > have

> > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that yes, the

> > > > implants

> > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come

> out....i

> > > > have

> > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no longer take

> > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

> explants,

> > >and

> > > > > the from others, i have not received return calls.....given

> this

> > > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i asked

> the

> > > > PA @

> > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor will

> respond

> > > > to

> > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the specifics

> you

> > > > all

> > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i can

> > > > determine,

> > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i am

> > > > extremely

> > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my symtoms

> are

> > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i still

> need

> > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will take me

> on

> > >as

> > > > a

> > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it is

> cancer

> > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and most

> of

> > > > the

> > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really depressed....even

> using

> > >the

> > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off even

> more

> > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> pain...and

> > >the

> > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the way

> when i

> > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my doctor's

> office

> > > > is

> > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still

> slightly

> > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone who

> read

> > > > this

> > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have

> isolated

> > > > the

> > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> deteriorated......thanks

> > > > again

> > > > >

> > > > > kathie

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by

> > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed

> > >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you.

> > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> how to live

> > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> ing,

> > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> >

> ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> utterfly.com/action/

> > >

December 7, 2005

I know how hard it is to get a doctor to do this right, as I was having

mine done in 1990 and it was a disaster. All I can say is that I would

beg, borrow or whatever to get it done right the first time.

Lynda

At 06:34 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote:

>Kathy & Kathie,

>If any doctor on her plan will remove the implants, insurance won't pay

>for her to go to

>someone outside of the plan. Insurance will not recognize the need for an

>en bloc

>procedure. I tried that, with Humana. They ended up paying out of

>network for me to go

>to Kolb. If I had had an HMO, I would have been out of luck.

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with skill

> > and

> > > >the

> > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell the

> > story

> > > > > of

> > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has

> > specific

> > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally agress,

> > since i

> > > > > have

> > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that yes, the

> > > > > implants

> > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come

> > out....i

> > > > > have

> > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no longer take

> > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

> > explants,

> > > >and

> > > > > > the from others, i have not received return calls.....given

> > this

> > > > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i asked

> > the

> > > > > PA @

> > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor will

> > respond

> > > > > to

> > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the specifics

> > you

> > > > > all

> > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i can

> > > > > determine,

> > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i am

> > > > > extremely

> > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my symtoms

> > are

> > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i still

> > need

> > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will take me

> > on

> > > >as

> > > > > a

> > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it is

> > cancer

> > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and most

> > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really depressed....even

> > using

> > > >the

> > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off even

> > more

> > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> > pain...and

> > > >the

> > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the way

> > when i

> > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my doctor's

> > office

> > > > > is

> > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still

> > slightly

> > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone who

> > read

> > > > > this

> > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have

> > isolated

> > > > > the

> > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > again

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kathie

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given by

> > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > licensed

> > > >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > > >

> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead you.

> > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> > how to live

> > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > ing,

> > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > >

> > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > >

> > ><<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shut

> terfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> > utterfly.com/action/

> > > >

December 7, 2005

Amen, Lynda.

I decided that I would go get it done right, regardless of what it cost...

My insurance only paid a portion of it, and we still had a lot to pay.

But I don't regret it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with skill

> > > and

> > > > >the

> > > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell the

> > > story

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has

> > > specific

> > > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally agress,

> > > since i

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that yes, the

> > > > > > implants

> > > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come

> > > out....i

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no longer take

> > > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

> > > explants,

> > > > >and

> > > > > > > the from others, i have not received return calls.....given

> > > this

> > > > > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i asked

> > > the

> > > > > > PA @

> > > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor will

> > > respond

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the specifics

> > > you

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i can

> > > > > > determine,

> > > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i am

> > > > > > extremely

> > > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my symtoms

> > > are

> > > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i still

> > > need

> > > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will take me

> > > on

> > > > >as

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it is

> > > cancer

> > > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and most

> > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really depressed....even

> > > using

> > > > >the

> > > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off even

> > > more

> > > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> > > pain...and

> > > > >the

> > > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the way

> > > when i

> > > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my doctor's

> > > office

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still

> > > slightly

> > > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone who

> > > read

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have

> > > isolated

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > > again

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kathie

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > > given by

> > > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > > licensed

> > > > >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > > mislead you.

> > > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> > > how to live

> > > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > > ing,

> > > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > > >

> > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > > >

> > > ><<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shut

> > terfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> > > utterfly.com/action/

> > > > >

December 7, 2005

Yes, my biggest hope is that we reach women prior to explant to avoid the

disaster that happened to me when I chose the wrong doctor. That is one

of the primary reasons I started this group (COSS, not ) in

1991. That and to warn women ahead of time if they were considering

implants. I so often think of all the women who would be so much better

off if we can or could just reach them in time. I cringe every time I hear

from a woman after a bad explant, because I know what it did to me.

Lynda

At 08:20 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote:

>Amen, Lynda.

>I decided that I would go get it done right, regardless of what it cost...

>My insurance only paid a portion of it, and we still had a lot to pay.

>But I don't regret it.

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with skill

> > > > and

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell the

> > > > story

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has

> > > > specific

> > > > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally agress,

> > > > since i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that yes, the

> > > > > > > implants

> > > > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come

> > > > out....i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no longer take

> > > > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

> > > > explants,

> > > > > >and

> > > > > > > > the from others, i have not received return calls.....given

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i asked

> > > > the

> > > > > > > PA @

> > > > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor will

> > > > respond

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the specifics

> > > > you

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i can

> > > > > > > determine,

> > > > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i am

> > > > > > > extremely

> > > > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my symtoms

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i still

> > > > need

> > > > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will take me

> > > > on

> > > > > >as

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it is

> > > > cancer

> > > > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and most

> > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really depressed....even

> > > > using

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off even

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> > > > pain...and

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the way

> > > > when i

> > > > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my doctor's

> > > > office

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still

> > > > slightly

> > > > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone who

> > > > read

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have

> > > > isolated

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > > > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > kathie

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > > > given by

> > > > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > > > licensed

> > > > > >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > > > mislead you.

> > > > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> > > > how to live

> > > > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > > > ing,

> > > > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > > > >

> > > > ><<<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://

> .shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shut

> > > terfly.com/action/><http://.sh>http://.sh

> > > > utterfly.com/action/

> > > > > >

December 7, 2005

If I had it to do over and knew what I know today, going to the right

doctor would be a top priority for me. Back in 1990 we were lucky to find

any doctor who would take them out.

Lynda

At 08:20 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote:

>Amen, Lynda.

>I decided that I would go get it done right, regardless of what it cost...

>My insurance only paid a portion of it, and we still had a lot to pay.

>But I don't regret it.

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with skill

> > > > and

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell the

> > > > story

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has

> > > > specific

> > > > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally agress,

> > > > since i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that yes, the

> > > > > > > implants

> > > > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come

> > > > out....i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no longer take

> > > > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

> > > > explants,

> > > > > >and

> > > > > > > > the from others, i have not received return calls.....given

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i asked

> > > > the

> > > > > > > PA @

> > > > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor will

> > > > respond

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the specifics

> > > > you

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i can

> > > > > > > determine,

> > > > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i am

> > > > > > > extremely

> > > > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my symtoms

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i still

> > > > need

> > > > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will take me

> > > > on

> > > > > >as

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it is

> > > > cancer

> > > > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and most

> > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really depressed....even

> > > > using

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off even

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> > > > pain...and

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the way

> > > > when i

> > > > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my doctor's

> > > > office

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still

> > > > slightly

> > > > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone who

> > > > read

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have

> > > > isolated

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > > > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > kathie

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > > > given by

> > > > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > > > licensed

> > > > > >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > > > mislead you.

> > > > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> > > > how to live

> > > > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > > > ing,

> > > > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > > > >

> > > > ><<<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://

> .shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shut

> > > terfly.com/action/><http://.sh>http://.sh

> > > > utterfly.com/action/

> > > > > >

December 8, 2005

It generally depends on whether you have a PPO or an HMO. If you have an HMO,

it is

unlikely that anything out of network will be covered. Usually, a PPO will

cover on the

contracted out-of-network benefits. That may be 70% or 50% or whatever,

depending on

the contract.

> > > >

> > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with skill and

> >the

> > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell the story

> > > of

> > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has specific

> > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally agress, since i

> > > have

> > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that yes, the

> > > implants

> > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come out....i

> > > have

> > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no longer take

> > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do explants,

> >and

> > > > the from others, i have not received return calls.....given this

> > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i asked the

> > > PA @

> > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor will respond

> > > to

> > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the specifics you

> > > all

> > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > surgery.....there

> > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i can

> > > determine,

> > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i am

> > > extremely

> > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my symtoms are

> > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i still need

> > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will take me on

> >as

> > > a

> > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it is cancer

> > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and most of

> > > the

> > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really depressed....even using

> >the

> > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off even more

> > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my pain...and

> >the

> > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the way when i

> > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my doctor's office

> > > is

> > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still slightly

> > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone who read

> > > this

> > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have isolated

> > > the

> > > > last couple of years, as my health has deteriorated......thanks

> > > again

> > > >

> > > > kathie

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/

action/

> >

December 8, 2005

Kathie,

I can tell you that we took an equity line out on our home so I could have

surgery.

And while doctors do have the right to refuse you as a patient, if all on your

plan refuse,

then I would think Aetna would be obligated to allow you to go out of network,

even if you

have an HMO.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with skill

> > and

> > > >the

> > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell the

> > story

> > > > > of

> > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has

> > specific

> > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally agress,

> > since i

> > > > > have

> > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that yes, the

> > > > > implants

> > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come

> > out....i

> > > > > have

> > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no longer

> take

> > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

> > explants,

> > > >and

> > > > > > the from others, i have not received return calls.....given

> > this

> > > > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i

> asked

> > the

> > > > > PA @

> > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor will

> > respond

> > > > > to

> > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the

> specifics

> > you

> > > > > all

> > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i can

> > > > > determine,

> > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i am

> > > > > extremely

> > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my

> symtoms

> > are

> > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i still

> > need

> > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will take

> me

> > on

> > > >as

> > > > > a

> > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it is

> > cancer

> > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and

> most

> > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really depressed....even

> > using

> > > >the

> > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off

> even

> > more

> > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> > pain...and

> > > >the

> > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the way

> > when i

> > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my doctor's

> > office

> > > > > is

> > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still

> > slightly

> > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone who

> > read

> > > > > this

> > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have

> > isolated

> > > > > the

> > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > again

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kathie

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given by

> > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > licensed

> > > >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > > >

> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead you.

> > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> > how to live

> > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > ing,

> > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > >

> > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > >

> >

> ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> > utterfly.com/action/

> > > >

December 9, 2005

if i owned a home, i would go to san francisco, where i found a very

cool female PS who is also into various alternative healing as

well....i am a single mom school teacher, with no savings, and no

assets, except my over-education, which i am still paying off! i

am talking to aetna, they keep saying doctors have the right to

refuse services to me, and not one has said then they will let me go

out of network.....thanks for everyone in here who is helping me

solve this situation.......

kathie

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with

skill

> > > and

> > > > >the

> > > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell

the

> > > story

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has

> > > specific

> > > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally

agress,

> > > since i

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that

yes, the

> > > > > > implants

> > > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come

> > > out....i

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no

longer

> > take

> > > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

> > > explants,

> > > > >and

> > > > > > > the from others, i have not received return

calls.....given

> > > this

> > > > > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i

> > asked

> > > the

> > > > > > PA @

> > > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor

will

> > > respond

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the

> > specifics

> > > you

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i

can

> > > > > > determine,

> > > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i

am

> > > > > > extremely

> > > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my

> > symtoms

> > > are

> > > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i

still

> > > need

> > > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will

take

> > me

> > > on

> > > > >as

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it

is

> > > cancer

> > > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and

> > most

> > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really

depressed....even

> > > using

> > > > >the

> > > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off

> > even

> > > more

> > > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> > > pain...and

> > > > >the

> > > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the

way

> > > when i

> > > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my

doctor's

> > > office

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still

> > > slightly

> > > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone

who

> > > read

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have

> > > isolated

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > > again

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kathie

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > > given by

> > > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

or

> > > licensed

> > > > >health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

politicians

> > > mislead you.

> > > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

about

> > > how to live

> > > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > > ing,

> > > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > > >

> > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

link:

> > > >

> > >

> >

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> > > utterfly.com/action/

> > > > >

December 9, 2005

Who is the PS in San Fran.?

I did find that Denver is one of the lowest prices for explant, less than

$5000 for everything.

But, if you have to stay in your ins. co. plan, that does not help you.

Lynda

At 09:39 AM 12/9/2005, you wrote:

>if i owned a home, i would go to san francisco, where i found a very

>cool female PS who is also into various alternative healing as

>well....i am a single mom school teacher, with no savings, and no

>assets, except my over-education, which i am still paying off! i

>am talking to aetna, they keep saying doctors have the right to

>refuse services to me, and not one has said then they will let me go

>out of network.....thanks for everyone in here who is helping me

>solve this situation.......

>

>kathie

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with

>skill

> > > > and

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to tell

>the

> > > > story

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone has

> > > > specific

> > > > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally

>agress,

> > > > since i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that

>yes, the

> > > > > > > implants

> > > > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should come

> > > > out....i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no

>longer

> > > take

> > > > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

> > > > explants,

> > > > > >and

> > > > > > > > the from others, i have not received return

>calls.....given

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday, i

> > > asked

> > > > the

> > > > > > > PA @

> > > > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor

>will

> > > > respond

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the

> > > specifics

> > > > you

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what i

>can

> > > > > > > determine,

> > > > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as i

>am

> > > > > > > extremely

> > > > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my

> > > symtoms

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i

>still

> > > > need

> > > > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will

>take

> > > me

> > > > on

> > > > > >as

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as it

>is

> > > > cancer

> > > > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP, and

> > > most

> > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really

>depressed....even

> > > > using

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set off

> > > even

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my own

> > > > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> > > > pain...and

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in the

>way

> > > > when i

> > > > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my

>doctor's

> > > > office

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am still

> > > > slightly

> > > > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for anyone

>who

> > > > read

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i have

> > > > isolated

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > > > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > kathie

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > > > given by

> > > > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

>or

> > > > licensed

> > > > > >health care professional before commencing any medical

>treatment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

>politicians

> > > > mislead you.

> > > > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

>about

> > > > how to live

> > > > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > > > ing,

> > > > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

>link:

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> ><<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutte

> rfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> > > > utterfly.com/action/

> > > > > >

December 9, 2005

here is the web site for her....ironically, i have noticed that many

of the PSs on the recommended list on this support group site do

augmentation, as does this woman......this is of interest to me, as

it seems that this is something that goes against the message of this

site....i have assumed that no doctor could stay in practice to help

and do explants, if they were not also in the plastic

surgery " business " ...that is what they trained to do.......at any

rate, when i read the whole web site about this doctor, she seems so

very attuned to women, and i like that she is also an artist, and

also does the alternative modalities.....at any rate, with that

caveat, here is the link:

http://www.womensplasticsurgery.com/bio%20eskenazi.htm

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with

> >skill

> > > > > and

> > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to

tell

> >the

> > > > > story

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone

has

> > > > > specific

> > > > > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally

> >agress,

> > > > > since i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that

> >yes, the

> > > > > > > > implants

> > > > > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should

come

> > > > > out....i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no

> >longer

> > > > take

> > > > > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

> > > > > explants,

> > > > > > >and

> > > > > > > > > the from others, i have not received return

> >calls.....given

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > reality, i am just totally

discouraged....yesterday, i

> > > > asked

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > PA @

> > > > > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor

> >will

> > > > > respond

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the

> > > > specifics

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what

i

> >can

> > > > > > > > determine,

> > > > > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing,

as i

> >am

> > > > > > > > extremely

> > > > > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my

> > > > symtoms

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i

> >still

> > > > > need

> > > > > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will

> >take

> > > > me

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >as

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this,

as it

> >is

> > > > > cancer

> > > > > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP,

and

> > > > most

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really

> >depressed....even

> > > > > using

> > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set

off

> > > > even

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash

my own

> > > > > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> > > > > pain...and

> > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in

the

> >way

> > > > > when i

> > > > > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my

> >doctor's

> > > > > office

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am

still

> > > > > slightly

> > > > > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for

anyone

> >who

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i

have

> > > > > isolated

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > > > > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > kathie

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

advice

> > > > > given by

> > > > > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

physician

> >or

> > > > > licensed

> > > > > > >health care professional before commencing any medical

> >treatment.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> >politicians

> > > > > mislead you.

> > > > > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> >about

> > > > > how to live

> > > > > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > > > > ing,

> > > > > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at

this

> >link:

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

><<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

utte

> > rfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> > > > > utterfly.com/action/

> > > > > > >

December 9, 2005

I think that many do augmentation, but many also do truly informed

consent. If they do that, then I have to think that we, as adults are

responsible for our own health.

Lynda

At 11:41 AM 12/9/2005, you wrote:

>here is the web site for her....ironically, i have noticed that many

>of the PSs on the recommended list on this support group site do

>augmentation, as does this woman......this is of interest to me, as

>it seems that this is something that goes against the message of this

>site....i have assumed that no doctor could stay in practice to help

>and do explants, if they were not also in the plastic

>surgery " business " ...that is what they trained to do.......at any

>rate, when i read the whole web site about this doctor, she seems so

>very attuned to women, and i like that she is also an artist, and

>also does the alternative modalities.....at any rate, with that

>caveat, here is the link:

>

><http://www.womensplasticsurgery.com/bio%20eskenazi.htm>http://www.womensplasti\

csurgery.com/bio%20eskenazi.htm

>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with

> > >skill

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to

>tell

> > >the

> > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone

>has

> > > > > > specific

> > > > > > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally

> > >agress,

> > > > > > since i

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that

> > >yes, the

> > > > > > > > > implants

> > > > > > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should

>come

> > > > > > out....i

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no

> > >longer

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

> > > > > > explants,

> > > > > > > >and

> > > > > > > > > > the from others, i have not received return

> > >calls.....given

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > reality, i am just totally

>discouraged....yesterday, i

> > > > > asked

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > PA @

> > > > > > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor

> > >will

> > > > > > respond

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the

> > > > > specifics

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > > > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what

>i

> > >can

> > > > > > > > > determine,

> > > > > > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing,

>as i

> > >am

> > > > > > > > > extremely

> > > > > > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my

> > > > > symtoms

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i

> > >still

> > > > > > need

> > > > > > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will

> > >take

> > > > > me

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >as

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this,

>as it

> > >is

> > > > > > cancer

> > > > > > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP,

>and

> > > > > most

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really

> > >depressed....even

> > > > > > using

> > > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set

>off

> > > > > even

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash

>my own

> > > > > > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> > > > > > pain...and

> > > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in

>the

> > >way

> > > > > > when i

> > > > > > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my

> > >doctor's

> > > > > > office

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am

>still

> > > > > > slightly

> > > > > > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for

>anyone

> > >who

> > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i

>have

> > > > > > isolated

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > > > > > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > kathie

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

>advice

> > > > > > given by

> > > > > > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

>physician

> > >or

> > > > > > licensed

> > > > > > > >health care professional before commencing any medical

> > >treatment.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > >politicians

> > > > > > mislead you.

> > > > > > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> > >about

> > > > > > how to live

> > > > > > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > > > > > ing,

> > > > > > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

>Peace)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at

>this

> > >link:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> ><<<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutt

> erfly.com/action/>http://.sh

>utte

> > > rfly.com/action/><http://.sh>http://.sh

> > > > > > utterfly.com/action/

> > > > > > > >

December 9, 2005

i agree that informed consent is key....i just didn't know what the

philosophy was, and i was confused, and yet wanted to share this PS's

web site, especially since you asked... thanks for clearing this

up for me, it was a good explanation......

blessings, kathie

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS

with

> > > >skill

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need

to

> >tell

> > > >the

> > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if

anyone

> >has

> > > > > > > specific

> > > > > > > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally

> > > >agress,

> > > > > > > since i

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing,

that

> > > >yes, the

> > > > > > > > > > implants

> > > > > > > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should

> >come

> > > > > > > out....i

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half

no

> > > >longer

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they

don't do

> > > > > > > explants,

> > > > > > > > >and

> > > > > > > > > > > the from others, i have not received return

> > > >calls.....given

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > reality, i am just totally

> >discouraged....yesterday, i

> > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > PA @

> > > > > > > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one

doctor

> > > >will

> > > > > > > respond

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about

the

> > > > > > specifics

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do

this

> > > > > > > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from

what

> >i

> > > >can

> > > > > > > > > > determine,

> > > > > > > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost

nothing,

> >as i

> > > >am

> > > > > > > > > > extremely

> > > > > > > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i

believe my

> > > > > > symtoms

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule?

will i

> > > >still

> > > > > > > need

> > > > > > > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor

will

> > > >take

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > >as

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover

this,

> >as it

> > > >is

> > > > > > > cancer

> > > > > > > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my

PCP,

> >and

> > > > > > most

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really

> > > >depressed....even

> > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has

set

> >off

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer

wash

> >my own

> > > > > > > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases

all my

> > > > > > > pain...and

> > > > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm,

in

> >the

> > > >way

> > > > > > > when i

> > > > > > > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my

> > > >doctor's

> > > > > > > office

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i

am

> >still

> > > > > > > slightly

> > > > > > > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for

> >anyone

> > > >who

> > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone

listen...i

> >have

> > > > > > > isolated

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > > > > > > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > kathie

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> >advice

> > > > > > > given by

> > > > > > > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> >physician

> > > >or

> > > > > > > licensed

> > > > > > > > >health care professional before commencing any

medical

> > > >treatment.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > > >politicians

> > > > > > > mislead you.

> > > > > > > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions

> > > >about

> > > > > > > how to live

> > > > > > > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus

> > > > > > > ing,

> > > > > > > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> >Peace)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access

at

> >this

> > > >link:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

><<<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.s

hutt

> > erfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> >utte

> > > >

rfly.com/action/><http://.sh>http://.sh

> > > > > > > utterfly.com/action/

> > > > > > > > >

December 9, 2005

I think they have to let you go outside the network if they can't

get it done in the network as long as you can prove that surgery is

necessary. Don't let them think they can run you around. Does'nt

your teacher's union have anyone that will go to bat for you? I

know that my friend who is a teacher had her people help her.

Usually schools are good at standing behind each other.

Hugs, Kathy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with

> skill

> > > > and

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to

tell

> the

> > > > story

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone

has

> > > > specific

> > > > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally

> agress,

> > > > since i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that

> yes, the

> > > > > > > implants

> > > > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should

come

> > > > out....i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no

> longer

> > > take

> > > > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

> > > > explants,

> > > > > >and

> > > > > > > > the from others, i have not received return

> calls.....given

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday,

i

> > > asked

> > > > the

> > > > > > > PA @

> > > > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor

> will

> > > > respond

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the

> > > specifics

> > > > you

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what

i

> can

> > > > > > > determine,

> > > > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as

i

> am

> > > > > > > extremely

> > > > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my

> > > symtoms

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i

> still

> > > > need

> > > > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will

> take

> > > me

> > > > on

> > > > > >as

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as

it

> is

> > > > cancer

> > > > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP,

and

> > > most

> > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really

> depressed....even

> > > > using

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set

off

> > > even

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my

own

> > > > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> > > > pain...and

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in

the

> way

> > > > when i

> > > > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my

> doctor's

> > > > office

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am

still

> > > > slightly

> > > > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for

anyone

> who

> > > > read

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i

have

> > > > isolated

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > > > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > kathie

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

advice

> > > > given by

> > > > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

physician

> or

> > > > licensed

> > > > > >health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians

> > > > mislead you.

> > > > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> about

> > > > how to live

> > > > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > > > ing,

> > > > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at

this

> link:

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> > > > utterfly.com/action/

> > > > > >

December 9, 2005

Kathy is right here - if you can prove the surgery is necessary (rupture, for

example), and

no doctor qualified to do this surgery will do it for you, then they would have

to let you go

out of network.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS with

> > skill

> > > > > and

> > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to

> tell

> > the

> > > > > story

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone

> has

> > > > > specific

> > > > > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally

> > agress,

> > > > > since i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that

> > yes, the

> > > > > > > > implants

> > > > > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should

> come

> > > > > out....i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no

> > longer

> > > > take

> > > > > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't do

> > > > > explants,

> > > > > > >and

> > > > > > > > > the from others, i have not received return

> > calls.....given

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > reality, i am just totally discouraged....yesterday,

> i

> > > > asked

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > PA @

> > > > > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one doctor

> > will

> > > > > respond

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the

> > > > specifics

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what

> i

> > can

> > > > > > > > determine,

> > > > > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing, as

> i

> > am

> > > > > > > > extremely

> > > > > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe my

> > > > symtoms

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i

> > still

> > > > > need

> > > > > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor will

> > take

> > > > me

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >as

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this, as

> it

> > is

> > > > > cancer

> > > > > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP,

> and

> > > > most

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really

> > depressed....even

> > > > > using

> > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set

> off

> > > > even

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash my

> own

> > > > > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> > > > > pain...and

> > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in

> the

> > way

> > > > > when i

> > > > > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my

> > doctor's

> > > > > office

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am

> still

> > > > > slightly

> > > > > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for

> anyone

> > who

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i

> have

> > > > > isolated

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > > > > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > kathie

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> advice

> > > > > given by

> > > > > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> physician

> > or

> > > > > licensed

> > > > > > >health care professional before commencing any medical

> > treatment.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > politicians

> > > > > mislead you.

> > > > > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> > about

> > > > > how to live

> > > > > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > > > > ing,

> > > > > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at

> this

> > link:

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

> ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> > > > > utterfly.com/action/

> > > > > > >

December 9, 2005

Kathie,

ALL the plastic surgeons will implant women - if they

consider it appropriate.

As one plastic surgeon told me, to my face, " I make

money putting them in and I make money taking them

out. I don't give a damn what they do! "

There's a lot of gold in them there boobs!

Hugs,

Rogene

December 10, 2005

Kathie,

It is nearly impossible to find any plastic surgeons who explant

exclusively. They just aren't out there. It would be a perfect

world if they all admitted that implants are bad news and decided

against promoting this kind of surgery, but in reality, all of them

do implants.

What matters is their approach to implantation and education of the

woman seeking it. Dr. Feng has admitted that she does far more

explants than implants. Other doctors who recognize the need for a

proper explant have made their offices educational about the risks

of implants, which is a far, far different approach than the

hundreds of other plastic surgeons who casually and gleefully

implant any woman who walks through their door with cash in hand.

Kathie, have you actually talked to this doctor? It looks to me

like her website has some positive approaches to surgery, but she

may in reality have a very, very pro-implant stance. I wonder if

she recognizes that implants cause illness? If you do talk to her

and find out where she stands, can you enlighten us? Thanks!

Patty

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS

with

> > >skill

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need

to

> tell

> > >the

> > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if

anyone

> has

> > > > > > specific

> > > > > > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally

> > >agress,

> > > > > > since i

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing,

that

> > >yes, the

> > > > > > > > > implants

> > > > > > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should

> come

> > > > > > out....i

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no

> > >longer

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they

don't do

> > > > > > explants,

> > > > > > > >and

> > > > > > > > > > the from others, i have not received return

> > >calls.....given

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > reality, i am just totally

> discouraged....yesterday, i

> > > > > asked

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > PA @

> > > > > > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one

doctor

> > >will

> > > > > > respond

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about

the

> > > > > specifics

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > > > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from

what

> i

> > >can

> > > > > > > > > determine,

> > > > > > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost

nothing,

> as i

> > >am

> > > > > > > > > extremely

> > > > > > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i

believe my

> > > > > symtoms

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule?

will i

> > >still

> > > > > > need

> > > > > > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor

will

> > >take

> > > > > me

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >as

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover

this,

> as it

> > >is

> > > > > > cancer

> > > > > > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my

PCP,

> and

> > > > > most

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really

> > >depressed....even

> > > > > > using

> > > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has

set

> off

> > > > > even

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer

wash

> my own

> > > > > > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all

my

> > > > > > pain...and

> > > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm,

in

> the

> > >way

> > > > > > when i

> > > > > > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my

> > >doctor's

> > > > > > office

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i

am

> still

> > > > > > slightly

> > > > > > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for

> anyone

> > >who

> > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone

listen...i

> have

> > > > > > isolated

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > > > > > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > kathie

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> advice

> > > > > > given by

> > > > > > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> physician

> > >or

> > > > > > licensed

> > > > > > > >health care professional before commencing any medical

> > >treatment.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > >politicians

> > > > > > mislead you.

> > > > > > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions

> > >about

> > > > > > how to live

> > > > > > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus

> > > > > > ing,

> > > > > > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> Peace)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access

at

> this

> > >link:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

>

><<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.s

h

> utte

> > > rfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> > > > > > utterfly.com/action/

> > > > > > > >

December 12, 2005

i am hoping that a eventually someone from aetna will approve that

route....as far as the teacher's union, here in AZ they only help

with school issues, not personal ones.......

thanks for your ideas.......

kathie

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > hi...i was reading the advice about having a PS

with

> > skill

> > > > > and

> > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > caring to do an explant correctly...and i need to

> tell

> > the

> > > > > story

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > what is going on with me, and ask, again, if anyone

> has

> > > > > specific

> > > > > > > > > information, or can direct me.....my PCP finally

> > agress,

> > > > > since i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > neuropathy and pain 24/7, which is increasing, that

> > yes, the

> > > > > > > > implants

> > > > > > > > > from my reconstruction, not augmentation, should

> come

> > > > > out....i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > called 25 PSs listed on my aetna plan.....half no

> > longer

> > > > take

> > > > > > > > > insurance, one quarter won't see me as they don't

do

> > > > > explants,

> > > > > > >and

> > > > > > > > > the from others, i have not received return

> > calls.....given

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > reality, i am just totally

discouraged....yesterday,

> i

> > > > asked

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > PA @

> > > > > > > > > my PCPs office to make calls, hoping that one

doctor

> > will

> > > > > respond

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > another perhaps...........i get confused about the

> > > > specifics

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > talk about, if i should ever find a PS to do this

> > > > > > > > surgery.....there

> > > > > > > > > was NO flesh left after the mastectomy....from what

> i

> > can

> > > > > > > > determine,

> > > > > > > > > the implants are being held up by almost nothing,

as

> i

> > am

> > > > > > > > extremely

> > > > > > > > > thin...they are migrating, which is why i believe

my

> > > > symtoms

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > increasing....so, is there still a capsule? will i

> > still

> > > > > need

> > > > > > > > > drains? and who can i complain to if NO doctor

will

> > take

> > > > me

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >as

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > patient? my insurance is supposed to cover this,

as

> it

> > is

> > > > > cancer

> > > > > > > > > related....at least, that is the opinion of my PCP,

> and

> > > > most

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > individuals at Aetna.......i am really

> > depressed....even

> > > > > using

> > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > mouse/keyboard this long to write this post has set

> off

> > > > even

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > numbness and tingling....and i can no longer wash

my

> own

> > > > > > > > > hair...raising my arms at all also increases all my

> > > > > pain...and

> > > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > > one implant feels as though it is under my arm, in

> the

> > way

> > > > > when i

> > > > > > > > > drive, and i swear it is swollen.....although my

> > doctor's

> > > > > office

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > helping, i also feel that they treat me like i am

> still

> > > > > slightly

> > > > > > > > > nuts, and imagining all this........thanks for

> anyone

> > who

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > far......i need so much to have someone listen...i

> have

> > > > > isolated

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > last couple of years, as my health has

> > > > > deteriorated......thanks

> > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > kathie

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> advice

> > > > > given by

> > > > > > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> physician

> > or

> > > > > licensed

> > > > > > >health care professional before commencing any medical

> > treatment.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > politicians

> > > > > mislead you.

> > > > > > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> > about

> > > > > how to live

> > > > > > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus

> > > > > ing,

> > > > > > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at

> this

> > link:

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> > > > > utterfly.com/action/

> > > > > > >

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