Bionic 880

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What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the strains in the

US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered in the

treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any good; 3) for

now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder (and $$$) dry

until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone is why people going

there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful detox.

Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15 sec at 832.

Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol (1/4 tab) for

Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to work, but heard a

recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER from coiling and

Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very knowledgable med

professional.) So very cautious.

Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and a

scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme first,

than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long

story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying in

the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move first.

Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop the abx I

am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate the coiling

and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like walking on the

razor's edge.)

Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a week on the

computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday and

following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for Lyme

and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the posts and

try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks to all who

responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it has been

worse.)

[Guest guest]

Carolyn,I may be reading between the lines, but it sounds like you are ready to throw out your coil after one session. ?Whenever you kill bugs, you will herx. The trick is finding the best way to detox (we are all different) and learning how we herx.  I will say that on occassion when I have had a bad herx, the next time I coil that frequency it is not nearly as severe.

Example: Coiling 15 seconds for bart the first time - have a horrible herx.Let the herx clear.Coil 10 or 15 seconds for bart and the herx is 1/4 that it was the first sessionIf this is too scary an experiment, a person (if they had a horrible herx at 15 seconds) could try two other things:

1. Coil 5 seconds, or2. Coil 15 seconds holding the coil 12 " away. (Then move it closer each session) " Loads of pills " are usually not the best method for detox. As you will read here on our group, people do use supplements, but their main form of detox is some way of " washing the toxins out " .  Could be clay (in lots of water), coffee enemas, or for me, it's Green Water.

Best,

 

What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the strains in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered in the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any good; 3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder (and $$$) dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone is why people going there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful detox.

Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15 sec at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol (1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to work, but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER from coiling and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very knowledgable med professional.) So very cautious.

Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and a scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme first, than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying in the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move first.

Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop the abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like walking on the razor's edge.)

Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a week on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the posts and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks to all who responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it has been worse.)

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Hi ,

I just read your post on the Bionnic 880 and I think it is not entirely accurate

when you state that the strains of Borrelia coming out of Europe are different

then here in the US. Yes that may be true and perhaps people who go to Dr.

Woitzel from here may not recover entirely due to this factor, but the fact of

the matter is, you can purchase Nosodes here in the US and Mexico of any strain

of Borrelia or any of the coinfections and most of those who are treating using

this protocol either have the Bionnic 880 or the PE 1 and are using it here for

self treatment. There are several ladies in the Bionnic 880, PE 1 group who

have reached full recovery using this method of treatment and the PE 1. Another

lady in our group lives in California, is a patient of Dr. Klinghardt and owns

the Bionnic 880 and the last time she was ART tested in Klinghardt's office she

showed no trace of Lyme with his testing methods. I buy my nosodes here in the

US or from my Mexican doctor and there are several sources for them.

> > >

> > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the strains

> > in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered in

> > the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any

> > good; 3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder

> > (and $$$) dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone

> > is why people going there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful

> > detox.

> > >

> > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15 sec

> > at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol

> > (1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to

> > work, but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER

> > from coiling and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very

> > knowledgable med professional.) So very cautious.

> > >

> > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and a

> > scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme first,

> > than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long

> > story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying

> > in the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move

> > first.

> > >

> > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop the

> > abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate

> > the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like

> > walking on the razor's edge.)

> > >

> > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a week

> > on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday

> > and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for

> > Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the

> > posts and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks

> > to all who responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it

> > has been worse.)

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oops, I just noticed that I should have addressed this post to Carolyn, not

.

> > > >

> > > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the strains

> > > in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered

in

> > > the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any

> > > good; 3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep

powder

> > > (and $$$) dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone

> > > is why people going there feel so good during treatment. That is a

powerful

> > > detox.

> > > >

> > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15 sec

> > > at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol

> > > (1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to

> > > work, but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER

> > > from coiling and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very

> > > knowledgable med professional.) So very cautious.

> > > >

> > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and a

> > > scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme

first,

> > > than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long

> > > story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are

laying

> > > in the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move

> > > first.

> > > >

> > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop

the

> > > abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate

> > > the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like

> > > walking on the razor's edge.)

> > > >

> > > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a

week

> > > on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on

Thursday

> > > and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet

for

> > > Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the

> > > posts and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks

> > > to all who responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But,

it

> > > has been worse.)

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzan what is a nosode please?

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:23 PMSubject: Re: Bionic 880

Oops, I just noticed that I should have addressed this post to Carolyn, not .> > > >> > > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the strains> > > in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered in> > > the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any> > > good; 3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder> > > (and $$$) dry until they work

out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone> > > is why people going there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful> > > detox.> > > >> > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15 sec> > > at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol> > > (1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to> > > work, but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER> > > from coiling and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very> > > knowledgable med professional.) So very cautious.> > > >> > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and a> > > scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme first,> > > than go after Bart.

It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long> > > story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying> > > in the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move> > > first. > > > >> > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop the> > > abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate> > > the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like> > > walking on the razor's edge.)> > > >> > > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a week> > > on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday> > > and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for> > > Lyme and Rife. Good,

caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the> > > posts and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks> > > to all who responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it> > > has been worse.)> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Marie,

Nosodes are a dilute substance of a particular disease that have been successed

to create a certain potency. When taken them they can " provoke " things in the

body......to help the body recognize the disease and help the body overcome it.

I would not partake in any nosodes without the help from a professional. They

can stir up a big mess. I have been in homeopathic treatment for illness and

currently my son. I have seen reactions etc. that can be very

unpleasant....especially if the body is not supported etc. My son has been

clearing vaccines and its accumulative damage with nosodes etc. from his

homeopath. Its a unique sequential program that no one else does currently. He

has made wonderful progress but its being done with a professional and I can see

where it could go very wrong fast with out someone who knows what they are

doing. HOpe that helps...That is in fact what brought my " lyme " to the surface

a year ago....if that helps It was always their but not active...now I have a

lot of other things right in under the surface as well. This discussion just

took place on their board and the homeopath and owner said.....NO one should

every take them without professional help and/or guidance because they can stir

up a " hornets nest " that will be very tough to get under control. Hope that

helps. Jodie L.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the

strains

> > > > in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered

in

> > > > the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any

> > > > good; 3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep

powder

> > > > (and $$$) dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV

Ozone

> > > > is why people going there feel so good during treatment. That is a

powerful

> > > > detox.

> > > > >

> > > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15

sec

> > > > at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol

> > > > (1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol

to

> > > > work, but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the

ER

> > > > from coiling and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very

> > > > knowledgable med professional.) So very cautious.

> > > > >

> > > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and

a

> > > > scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme

first,

> > > > than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first.

Long

> > > > story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are

laying

> > > > in the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move

> > > > first.

> > > > >

> > > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop

the

> > > > abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to

calibrate

> > > > the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment.

(Like

> > > > walking on the razor's edge.)

> > > > >

> > > > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a

week

> > > > on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on

Thursday

> > > > and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet

for

> > > > Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the

> > > > posts and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere

thanks

> > > > to all who responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But,

it

> > > > has been worse.)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

So one can either use the nosodes with photon (nosodes placed on body)

Or they could take the nosodes internally (Deseret Nosodes)

How do we know the internal nosodes won't be jut as effective?

> >

> > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the strains in

the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered in the

treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any good; 3) for

now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder (and $$$) dry

until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone is why people going

there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful detox.

> >

> > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15 sec at

832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol (1/4 tab)

for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to work, but heard

a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER from coiling and

Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very knowledgable med

professional.) So very cautious.

> >

> > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and a

scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme first,

than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long

story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying in

the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move first.

> >

> > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop the

abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate the

coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like walking

on the razor's edge.)

> >

> > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a week on

the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday and

following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for Lyme

and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the posts and

try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks to all who

responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it has been

worse.)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi Suzan what is a nosode please?

> Kindly Marie

>

Hi Marie,

Sorry about the long explanation, but it is rather complicated.

A Nosode is a homeopathic/energetic imprint of the resonating frequency of a

given organism infused into a distilled water and alcohol preparation. Water

holds intention or frequencies and is a great medium for carrying homeopathic

imprints. A Borrelia nosode for example would not contain any actual pathogen

but the resonating frequency of that pathogen. A Sarcode is a

homeopathic/energetic imprint of the resonating frequency of a given body part,

such as the liver, lungs, heart, kidneys, blood etc. Everything in nature has

it's own unique resonating frequency and no two things have the same frequency

similar to human fingerprints being unique.

I hope this makes sense. If it doesn't, then don't sweat it most MDs don't have

a clue what homeopathics are. They erroneously believe that it is about

substance and since there is very little of the original substance left in a

homeopathic preparation that they can't possibly work. Homeopathics work on an

energetic level the same as rife machines a certain frequency causes a certain

reaction in the body. Allopathic doctors fail to understand that it is about

frequencies that cause an action in the body. Pharmaceutical medications don't

actually cause an action to occur in the body, but the resonating frequency of

that medication does. That is why it is possible to make a homeopathic version

of all herbs and pharmaceutical drugs and have them work the same as the actual

substance. An example is the homeopathic version of HCG which many are using

for weight loss and are finding that it works as well to prevent hunger on a

very low calorie diet as the actual injectible drug for weight loss. I used a

homeopathic version of the antibiotic Clarithromycin and it had the same effect

including causing a Candida overgrowth problem the same action as the original

drug without the toxic side effects that the liver must detox out.

>

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:23 PM

> Subject: Re: Bionic 880

>

>

>  

> Oops, I just noticed that I should have addressed this post to Carolyn, not

.

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the

strains

> > > > in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered

in

> > > > the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any

> > > > good; 3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep

powder

> > > > (and $$$) dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV

Ozone

> > > > is why people going there feel so good during treatment. That is a

powerful

> > > > detox.

> > > > >

> > > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15

sec

> > > > at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol

> > > > (1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol

to

> > > > work, but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the

ER

> > > > from coiling and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very

> > > > knowledgable med professional.) So very cautious.

> > > > >

> > > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and

a

> > > > scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme

first,

> > > > than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first.

Long

> > > > story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are

laying

> > > > in the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move

> > > > first.

> > > > >

> > > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop

the

> > > > abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to

calibrate

> > > > the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment.

(Like

> > > > walking on the razor's edge.)

> > > > >

> > > > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a

week

> > > > on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on

Thursday

> > > > and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet

for

> > > > Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the

> > > > posts and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere

thanks

> > > > to all who responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But,

it

> > > > has been worse.)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My Homeopathic MD who went to school in France, Germany and Mexico and was

trained under Doctor Woitzel on the Bionnic 880 therapy believes that the

internal Homeopathics work as well. He particularly believes that infusions of

homeopathic imprints are very effective. He has had many Lyme patients recover

using this method of treatment. Since most people don't have access to

homeopathic IV infusions they use the photons to deliver the information into

the body. I believe the combination of the photons and the oral together are

the most powerful.

> > >

> > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the strains

in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered in the

treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any good; 3) for

now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder (and $$$) dry

until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone is why people going

there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful detox.

> > >

> > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15 sec

at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol (1/4

tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to work, but

heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER from coiling and

Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very knowledgable med

professional.) So very cautious.

> > >

> > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and a

scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme first,

than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long

story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying in

the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move first.

> > >

> > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop the

abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate the

coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like walking

on the razor's edge.)

> > >

> > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a week

on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday and

following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for Lyme

and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the posts and

try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks to all who

responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it has been

worse.)

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie,

One more thing, there are several methods used to make a Nosode. The method of

1 drop of the original substance to 100 drops of distilled water and succussed

as mentioned earlier. This action is repeated numerous times until very little

of the actual substance remains. Basically here is a run down of the dilutions

in the various homeopathic remedies:

x or D is for decimal (10 succusions)

c or CH is for centecimal (100 succusions)

M or K is for thousand (1000 succusions)

CM is for 100,000 succusions

MM is for million (1,000,000 succusions)

10 MM is for 10,000,000 succusions

1c = 2x

200c = 400x

The higher dilutions are used for disease that are more chronic, and the lower

remedies are used for a more acute stage of the disease. For example if you

were just bitten by a tick, you would use the Borrelia remedy without any

potentiation. If you have chronic Lyme you may start with 200x or even higher.

I have treated Mycoplasma with 5K or 5000X using my Photon device because the

disease is chronic meaning I have had it for many years.

The other method of making a remedy is using a homeopathic/radionic device or

imprinter. This instrument serves the same way a xerox machine copies documents

to paper. The imprinter copies the resonating frequencies into a distilled

water vial. In this case there is no original substance left in the copy. A

good radionic/homeopathic imprinter can also potentiate the copy to reflect

various dilutions like 30X for example. I have a good radionic/homeopathic

imprinter that I bought from Europe that will do precisely this. These devices

are very difficult to find in this country and they are even illegal to ship in.

Another attempt by the medical powers that be to keep us from self treating and

being dependent on our medical system. I use my radionic instrument to not only

copy Nosodes or Sarcodes that are commercially made, but also to make various

dilutions for photoning with the PE 1. Some people claim that the Radionically

made homeopathics are not as effective as the original homeopathic remedy, but I

have not found this to be the case. I find that my radionic remedies are just

as powerful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the

strains

> > > > > in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully

considered in

> > > > > the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do

any

> > > > > good; 3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep

powder

> > > > > (and $$$) dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV

Ozone

> > > > > is why people going there feel so good during treatment. That is a

powerful

> > > > > detox.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15

sec

> > > > > at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried

Welchol

> > > > > (1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol

to

> > > > > work, but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the

ER

> > > > > from coiling and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a

very

> > > > > knowledgable med professional.) So very cautious.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx)

and a

> > > > > scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme

first,

> > > > > than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first.

Long

> > > > > story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are

laying

> > > > > in the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move

> > > > > first.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we

stop the

> > > > > abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to

calibrate

> > > > > the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment.

(Like

> > > > > walking on the razor's edge.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a

week

> > > > > on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on

Thursday

> > > > > and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the

internet for

> > > > > Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read

the

> > > > > posts and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere

thanks

> > > > > to all who responded. He is going through a rough patch right now.

(But, it

> > > > > has been worse.)

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Suzan, Hello Caroline,

Thank you very much to have taken the time to explain to me the complexity and the beauty fo homeopaty and Nosodes. You are pretty sharp in the matter. And explain it clearly enought fo rme to understand.

It explain to me also how the radiac works so powerfully , I stopped using it because ti was giving me a severe herx and it is just the vinbration of silver flowing thourght our body throughgt our own electricity ( i tuses just

ice water and wiring no external electricity)

What I do not understand is why hoemopatic has never worked for me even the best of France. And I tryed and I tryed, no results nothing..

What is different about the bionic what is new? what special thing it doies that the rife does not do ?

What is different about the bionic ?

Caroline yes the ozone IV makes you feel good very fast and even after no tonly becaus eof detox becaus ealso th ekillin gof fungu sviruses the hyper oxygeneation of the blood it does a lot of good.

The Welchol used adequatly is very preciou sI di dnot find the equivalent as an absorber . If someone does nto foolow the precuation and the right guidance of the prescrition they exposes them selves to

problems.

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:28 PMSubject: Re: Bionic 880

Hi Marie,One more thing, there are several methods used to make a Nosode. The method of 1 drop of the original substance to 100 drops of distilled water and succussed as mentioned earlier. This action is repeated numerous times until very little of the actual substance remains. Basically here is a run down of the dilutions in the various homeopathic remedies:x or D is for decimal (10 succusions)c or CH is for centecimal (100 succusions)M or K is for thousand (1000 succusions)CM is for 100,000 succusionsMM is for million (1,000,000 succusions)10 MM is for 10,000,000 succusions1c = 2x200c = 400xThe higher dilutions are used for disease that are more chronic, and the lower remedies are used for a more acute stage of the disease. For example if you were just bitten by a tick, you would use the Borrelia remedy without any potentiation. If you have chronic Lyme you may start with 200x or even higher.

I have treated Mycoplasma with 5K or 5000X using my Photon device because the disease is chronic meaning I have had it for many years.The other method of making a remedy is using a homeopathic/radionic device or imprinter. This instrument serves the same way a xerox machine copies documents to paper. The imprinter copies the resonating frequencies into a distilled water vial. In this case there is no original substance left in the copy. A good radionic/homeopathic imprinter can also potentiate the copy to reflect various dilutions like 30X for example. I have a good radionic/homeopathic imprinter that I bought from Europe that will do precisely this. These devices are very difficult to find in this country and they are even illegal to ship in. Another attempt by the medical powers that be to keep us from self treating and being dependent on our medical system. I use my radionic instrument to not only copy Nosodes or Sarcodes that are

commercially made, but also to make various dilutions for photoning with the PE 1. Some people claim that the Radionically made homeopathics are not as effective as the original homeopathic remedy, but I have not found this to be the case. I find that my radionic remedies are just as powerful.> > > > > >> > > > > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the strains> > > > > in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered in> > > > > the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any> > > > > good; 3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder> > > > > (and $$$) dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone> > > > > is why people going there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful> > > > > detox.> > > > > >> > > > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15 sec> > >

> > at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol> > > > > (1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to> > > > > work, but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER> > > > > from coiling and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very> > > > > knowledgable med professional.) So very cautious.> > > > > >> > > > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and a> > > > > scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme first,> > > > > than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long> > > > > story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying> > > > > in the ditch like the

centipede, trying to remember which foot to move> > > > > first. > > > > > >> > > > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop the> > > > > abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate> > > > > the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like> > > > > walking on the razor's edge.)> > > > > >> > > > > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a week> > > > > on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday> > > > > and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for> > > > > Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the> > > > >

posts and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks> > > > > to all who responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it> > > > > has been worse.)> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Do you have the adress of the french Doctor who trained him on th ebionic please , next time I will go back to France hopefully it will be near Paris ,

Thank you Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 2:41 PMSubject: Re: Bionic 880

Hi ,My Homeopathic MD who went to school in France, Germany and Mexico and was trained under Doctor Woitzel on the Bionnic 880 therapy believes that the internal Homeopathics work as well. He particularly believes that infusions of homeopathic imprints are very effective. He has had many Lyme patients recover using this method of treatment. Since most people don't have access to homeopathic IV infusions they use the photons to deliver the information into the body. I believe the combination of the photons and the oral together are the most powerful.> > >> > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the strains in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered in the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes

multiple treatments to do any good; 3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder (and $$$) dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone is why people going there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful detox.> > > > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15 sec at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol (1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to work, but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER from coiling and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very knowledgable med professional.) So very cautious.> > > > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and a scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme first, than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart

first. Long story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying in the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move first. > > > > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop the abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like walking on the razor's edge.)> > > > > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a week on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the posts and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks to all who responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it has been

worse.)> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie,

Were you under the care of a certified Homeopath? Also, how you do on

homeopathics is completely reliant on what homeopathics you were given. My

Homeopathic MD is very good at energy testing and he also uses lab work to

determine how to individualize my treatment plan. He administered the

individualized homeopathics IV and I was herxing big time for several weeks

following the treatment. I am planning to go back to him and stay an entire

month so that I can have IV treatments every other day as I find them very

beneficial.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the

strains

> > > > > > in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully

considered in

> > > > > > the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do

any

> > > > > > good; 3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep

powder

> > > > > > (and $$$) dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV

Ozone

> > > > > > is why people going there feel so good during treatment. That is a

powerful

> > > > > > detox.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for

15 sec

> > > > > > at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried

Welchol

> > > > > > (1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough

Welchol to

> > > > > > work, but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at

the ER

> > > > > > from coiling and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a

very

> > > > > > knowledgable med professional.) So very cautious.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx)

and a

> > > > > > scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the

Lyme first,

> > > > > > than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first.

Long

> > > > > > story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are

laying

> > > > > > in the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to

move

> > > > > > first.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we

stop the

> > > > > > abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to

calibrate

> > > > > > the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment.

(Like

> > > > > > walking on the razor's edge.)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours

a week

> > > > > > on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on

Thursday

> > > > > > and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the

internet for

> > > > > > Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read

the

> > > > > > posts and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere

thanks

> > > > > > to all who responded. He is going through a rough patch right now.

(But, it

> > > > > > has been worse.)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie,

The doctor who does this therapy is actually located in Germany. His name is

Doctor Woitzel. I go to a doctor who was trained in France, Germany, Mexico and

Argentina. He is responsible for getting Homeopathy coursework added to the

Medical School requirements at the University of Guadalajara. This might be

where you got confused. Connie Strasheim could give you contact info for Doctor

Woitzel in Germany if you are in France, Germany is not that far.

> > > >

> > > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the strains

in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered in the

treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any good; 3) for

now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder (and $$$) dry

until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone is why people going

there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful detox.

> > > >

> > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15 sec

at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol (1/4

tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to work, but

heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER from coiling and

Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very knowledgable med

professional.) So very cautious.

> > > >

> > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and a

scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme first,

than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long story,

familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying in the

ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move first.

> > > >

> > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop

the abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate

the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like

walking on the razor's edge.)

> > > >

> > > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a

week on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday

and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for

Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the posts

and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks to all who

responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it has been

worse.)

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

HI Suzan ,

i tis an idea , still I do not see what ti does exactly ?

Thank you

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:23 PMSubject: Re: Bionic 880

Hi Marie,The doctor who does this therapy is actually located in Germany. His name is Doctor Woitzel. I go to a doctor who was trained in France, Germany, Mexico and Argentina. He is responsible for getting Homeopathy coursework added to the Medical School requirements at the University of Guadalajara. This might be where you got confused. Connie Strasheim could give you contact info for Doctor Woitzel in Germany if you are in France, Germany is not that far.> > > >> > > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the strains in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered in the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any good; 3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder (and $$$) dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone is why people going there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful detox.> > > > > > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15 sec at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol (1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough

Welchol to work, but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER from coiling and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very knowledgable med professional.) So very cautious.> > > > > > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and a scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme first, than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying in the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move first. > > > > > > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop the abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like walking on the razor's edge.)> > > > >

> > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a week on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the posts and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks to all who responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it has been worse.)> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie,

The Bionnic 880 therapy works on an energetic level similar to what a

homeopathic preparation would do. Basically it entrains the body to do a

specific thing such as fight Lyme or detox depending on which nosode you use.

The Nosode, Sarcode or Isode is taped to the solar plexus and then the photons

are shined into various accupuncture points around the body. By doing this the

body receives the information. For example if you taped a borrelia nosode to

the body, it would signal the body to kill Borrelia. After about 3 or 4

treatments on one Nosode you move up to a higher dilution ie. 6x, then possibly

10x, then 15x, then 30x until you get to about 5000x and by that time the

Borrelia is usually eliminated from the body. To do the treatment properly, you

must muscle test when to move up to the next nosode. I mainly use the PE 1

which basically is the poor mans Bionnic 880 to entrain my body to detox certain

things. For example if I am going to do a liver flush, I will tape a nosode of

a gallstone to my solar plexus and do a treatment on the day of the flush. I

have found that this really signals the body to pass gallstones. I have tried

it both ways and my result is always better when using the photons. I have also

used a Mercury and Lead vial at 12x when I am planning to do a chelation. It

really communicates to the body to detox these metals. I am going to start

experimenting with an Ammonia vial to see if it will help my body get past

herxes faster when killing Mycoplasma. I hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the

strains in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered

in the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any good;

3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder (and $$$)

dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone is why people

going there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful detox.

> > > > >

> > > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15

sec at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol

(1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to work,

but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER from coiling

and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very knowledgable med

professional.) So very cautious.

> > > > >

> > > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and

a scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme first,

than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long story,

familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying in the

ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move first.

> > > > >

> > > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop

the abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate

the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like

walking on the razor's edge.)

> > > > >

> > > > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a

week on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday

and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for

Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the posts

and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks to all who

responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it has been

worse.)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

what is the over simplified idea of this, is it basically like an NIR/IR device with a frequency generate and nosde application?

[Guest guest]

Not all photonic devices will work for this application or many that have been

tried takes hours of shining the light on each point. The Sota Lightworks is

one of these photon devices that people have used but have had minimal success.

The PE 1 has worked very successfully with this treatment. See info from the PE

1 site below:

photonic_energetics_

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Sunlight is the principle form of energy enabling key biological reactions in

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Light is essential to life and, through various techniques, has been used

therapeutically for centuries. Modern research into light therapy for over 40

years has proven that specific bands of light can evoke powerful therapeutic

benefits to living tissues and organisms. Both visible red and invisible

infrared light have been shown to effect at least 24 different positive changes

at a cellular level. Every living cell absorbs, stores, and emits light. Light

signals are intricately involved in cellular biochemical reactions. Different

wavelengths of light have body tissue specific absorptive properties and

stimulate key cellular processes that result in increased cellular metabolism,

cell maintenance and repair. Modern superluminous LED technology pulsed at

Nogier bio-resonate frequencies is a safe and highly effective technique to

deliver the many health benefits of light therapy to the entire body.

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The above chart describes the process of cellular light absorption and some of

the key resulting biochemical events stimulated by light absorption. Increased

ATP production results and a cascade of intercellular processes are

energetically elevated.

The Photonic Energetics Model PE-1 is portable and can be setup in a variety of

positions or can be easily used as a handheld device. The controls are accessed

from the front and side panels and setup is quick and simple.

Research indicates that light therapy may be beneficial in several key areas:

*

Inflammatory conditions (such as bursitis, tendonitis, arthritis,

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*

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torn cartilage, surgical procedures etc). Reduction in scar tissue formations

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*

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*

Stimulation of acupuncture points on the skin which can promote improved

physiological body functions. This can stimulate the healing processes through

increased release of endorphins, modulation of adrenal gland activity,

normalization of immune system activity, and autonomic nervous system

stabilization.

*

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*

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*

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>

> what is the over simplified idea of this, is it basically like an NIR/IR

device with a frequency generate and nosde application?

>

[Guest guest]

if it enable th ebody to detox tha tis extremely interesting

I am blocked due to inability to detox .

Please let me know for amonia and other detox you try .

Thankyou Suzan

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 1:42 PMSubject: Re: Bionic 880

Hi Marie,The Bionnic 880 therapy works on an energetic level similar to what a homeopathic preparation would do. Basically it entrains the body to do a specific thing such as fight Lyme or detox depending on which nosode you use. The Nosode, Sarcode or Isode is taped to the solar plexus and then the photons are shined into various accupuncture points around the body. By doing this the body receives the information. For example if you taped a borrelia nosode to the body, it would signal the body to kill Borrelia. After about 3 or 4 treatments on one Nosode you move up to a higher dilution ie. 6x, then possibly 10x, then 15x, then 30x until you get to about 5000x and by that time the Borrelia is usually eliminated from the body. To do the treatment properly, you must muscle test when to move up to the next nosode. I mainly use the PE 1 which basically is the poor mans Bionnic 880 to entrain my body to detox certain things. For example if I

am going to do a liver flush, I will tape a nosode of a gallstone to my solar plexus and do a treatment on the day of the flush. I have found that this really signals the body to pass gallstones. I have tried it both ways and my result is always better when using the photons. I have also used a Mercury and Lead vial at 12x when I am planning to do a chelation. It really communicates to the body to detox these metals. I am going to start experimenting with an Ammonia vial to see if it will help my body get past herxes faster when killing Mycoplasma. I hope this helps.> > > > >> > > > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the strains in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered in

the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any good; 3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder (and $$$) dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone is why people going there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful detox.> > > > > > > > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15 sec at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol (1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to work, but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER from coiling and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very knowledgable med professional.) So very cautious.> > > > > > > > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and a scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat

the Lyme first, than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying in the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move first. > > > > > > > > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop the abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like walking on the razor's edge.)> > > > > > > > > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a week on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the posts and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for

us. My sincere thanks to all who responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it has been worse.)> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie,

You might want to look into the PK protocol. See article below:

Essentiale-N IV's: PHOSPHATIDYLCHOLINE IS LIFE Bookmark and Share

< Back Make an Appointment

The work of Kane PhD has brought to light the crucial importance of

phosphatidylcholine (PC). Perhaps you have never heard of it. It is a component

of lecithin, and the major phospholipid of every human cell membrane. It is also

a precursor to acetylcholine, a major neurotransmitter, via its intermediary

choline. It is used in orthodox medicine for the treatment and prophylaxis of

fatty embolism, and is the active ingredient in Plaque-X which has been marketed

and used In Europe for the treatment of arteriosclerosis and reversal of plaque

for many years. Drs Kane and Braccia have developed their own protocol for

administration of the imported Essential- N brand of PC and have been applying

it clinically for neurodetoxification and for the treatment of neurodegenerative

disorders such as Parkinson's, MS, and ALS, as well as Lymes, CFIDS,

fibromyalgia, autism, hepatitis, and mood disorders. The " PK Protocol " named

after originator Kane PhD, involves IV push of lower doses of

stabilized PC known as Essential –N. This is the product Caring Medical now uses

for all therapeutic administration of PC. Certain neurologic conditions will

require twice daily injections of PC, often followed by IV glutathione, but the

maximum amount of Essentiale-N per IVP is 2 vials or 10cc given up to twice

daily. The usual frequency of IV's is twice weekly. Successful therapy with PC

is associated with a drop in serum CPK. and improvement in the FACT vision

testing score. The IV is administered as a short IV push.

PC supports endothelial (and every other type) cell membranes and therefore can

stabilize the dysfunction which appears to be a regular part of the coronary

artery disease process. As a fat emulsifier PC holds the potential to actually

reverse the accumulation of plaque inside the arteries. Clinically one would

expect to see reductions in angina, and in CRP and cholesterol levels while HDL

may rise. Improving the composition of cell membranes will also reduce the

tendency to plaque, and to abnormal coagulability (thick blood) of the blood. It

has been found that IV and oral PC along with balanced fatty acids can also

improve neurologic and liver function, memory, and athletic endurance. It may be

able to reverse fatty liver, enhance brain development in children, and restore

more normal functioning in autism which is thought to result from arrested brain

development. It may be useful in anti-aging protocols, as witnessed by 30%

longer life spans in experimental animals (rats) despite the fact that the PC

was started relatively later in the life of the animals, and rejeuvenation of

rat myocytes (heart muscle cells) in vitro. PC levels in all tissue decrease

with age, and PC treatment is able to reverse age related changes in the lipid

membrane composition, thus rejeuvenating all cells. The lipid neuronal cell

membranes are turned over and made new every 24 hours, so adequate presence of

PC and the correct balance of essential fats and oils can make rapid and

significant inroads into neurodegenerative conditions. This is why Ed Kane (an

expert in lipid chemistry) concluded that PC is life. Beneficial changes may

within 4 months of discontinuation of IV and oral supplementation, so a lifetime

maintanence program may be necessary.

Injectible glutathione is often given in conjunction with PC IV's. Together they

comprise the key components of the PK Protocol. Glutathione is an important

intracellular antioxidant that is especially important in protecting liver,

brain, and kidney cells from toxicity and free radicals. Also, neurologist Dr

Perlmutter in Florida serendipidously found that IV glutathione can reduce the

symptoms of Parkinson's disease, and he has now developed protocols involving

glutathione by itself given IVP up to daily which he uses in treating various

other neurologic diseases. Dr Kane has taken Perlmutter's glutathione protocol

and added the PC IV component. She claims enhanced effectiveness over a broader

range of indications, and has an amzing collection of successfully treated

patients to support her claims. The PK protocol IV's, however, must also be

backed up by oral supplements, liver flushing, and dietary changes. Clearing

sludge in this way from the liver and bile ducts is a crucially important part

of this therapy. I am excited to introduce the entire PK protocol to Caring

Medical at this time. We treat very sick patients. Many of our patients suffer

from the disorders mentioned above. Many of them have serious brain fog, and

neurologic or cardiovascular disease. Many suffer from various toxicities

affecting the liver and the central nervous system. We encourage anyone

suffering from these disorders to make an appointment to discuss this very

important new approach to chronic illness. A simple vision test, the FACT, is

available to simply and inexpensively screen patients for the likelihood that

they will benefit from this treatment.

The FACT* Vision Test for Brain Toxicity.

The FACT (Functional Acuity Contrast Test) is an approved and validated

in-office vision test that determines the patient's ability to discriminate

between shades of gray. The test is completely non-invasive and simply involves

the reading of a chart at a set distance. Because retinal cells (rods and cones)

are really neuronal cells directly derived from the brain, weakness on this test

correlates with toxicity of the central nervous system. This may be from

interference to impulse transmission over neurons due to fatty acid

abnormalities and lack of membrane fluidity, or the presence of intracellular

toxins from infectious agents or heavy metals. Toxicity can be viewed as a

foreign object sitting on the cell membrane and blocking the fluidity that is

necessary for correct sight. The aging process, on the other hand, is associated

with a shift in the type of fats comprising the cell membranes away from

phosphatidylcholine to sphingomyelin which directly results in loss of high

energy double bonds in the omega 3 and 6 fats needed for optimum cellular

function. The resulting sluggish cell membranes are also much less able to

dislodge accumulating toxins. The eye is a window to the brain, which is 60%

lipid, and the photoreceptor cells themselves are the highest in lipid membrane

complexity. Toxic states, the aging process itself, brain fog, neurodegenerative

diseases like MS and ALS, and CNS manifestations of chronic diseases such as

chronic fatigue syndrome and Lymes are conditions which suggest the need for

FACT testing. The test is also useful for monitoring the benefits from a series

of phosphatidylcholine/glutathione IV's and oral supplementation intended to

reduce nervous system toxicity. Incidentally, visual problems stemming from

Vitamin A deficiency, macular degeneration, cataracts, astigmatism, glaucoma,

and diabetic retinopathy may also be revealed by this test.

A failing score on the FACT test is a helpful diagnostic clue in patients with

neurologic or cognitive complaints, or known or suspected toxicity issues.

Although a sign of dysfunction that would impair the function of the central

nervous system, a poor score points to the need for effective available

treatment with oral and intravenous nutritional protocols. Because the neuron

cell membrane is so metabolically active, improved readings can actually be seen

on this test in some cases within 30 minutes of a single IV treatment with

phosphatidylcholine and glutathione. The test is usually repeated at intervals

of every three IV treatments to document progress.

The cost of each test administration is $25.00. Readers of this newsletter who

are already patients of caring Medical are eligible to have the test

administered here without an associated doctor's visit. However, all patients

who fail the test will be asked to make an appointment to discuss their case and

the possible treatment available. Since there are no procedure codes pertaining

to this evaluation, there can be no insurance billing and thus no insurance

reimbursement possible.

* The FACT test is a patented technology developed by Arthur Ginsburg, PhD and

distributed by Stereo Optical.

Visit Benuts Nutritional Supplements for any of the nutritional products listed

in the article above.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the

strains in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered

in the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any good;

3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder (and $$$)

dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone is why people

going there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful detox.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15

sec at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol

(1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to work,

but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER from coiling

and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very knowledgable med

professional.) So very cautious.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx)

and a scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme

first, than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long

story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying in

the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move first.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we

stop the abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to

calibrate the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment.

(Like walking on the razor's edge.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a

week on the computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday

and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for

Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the posts

and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks to all who

responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it has been

worse.)

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much Sue,

I have began this protocol one month ago uncompletly i wait for the beginning of august to order what is missing from this protocol . I have also began 2 month ago The HPU .

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 6:50 PMSubject: Re: Bionic 880

Hi Marie,You might want to look into the PK protocol. See article below:Essentiale-N IV's: PHOSPHATIDYLCHOLINE IS LIFE Bookmark and Share< Back Make an AppointmentThe work of Kane PhD has brought to light the crucial importance of phosphatidylcholine (PC). Perhaps you have never heard of it. It is a component of lecithin, and the major phospholipid of every human cell membrane. It is also a precursor to acetylcholine, a major neurotransmitter, via its intermediary choline. It is used in orthodox medicine for the treatment and prophylaxis of fatty embolism, and is the active ingredient in Plaque-X which has been marketed and used In Europe for the treatment of arteriosclerosis and reversal of plaque for many years. Drs Kane and Braccia have developed their own protocol for administration of the imported Essential- N brand of PC and have been applying it clinically for neurodetoxification and for the treatment

of neurodegenerative disorders such as Parkinson's, MS, and ALS, as well as Lymes, CFIDS, fibromyalgia, autism, hepatitis, and mood disorders. The "PK Protocol" named after originator Kane PhD, involves IV push of lower doses of stabilized PC known as Essential –N. This is the product Caring Medical now uses for all therapeutic administration of PC. Certain neurologic conditions will require twice daily injections of PC, often followed by IV glutathione, but the maximum amount of Essentiale-N per IVP is 2 vials or 10cc given up to twice daily. The usual frequency of IV's is twice weekly. Successful therapy with PC is associated with a drop in serum CPK. and improvement in the FACT vision testing score. The IV is administered as a short IV push.PC supports endothelial (and every other type) cell membranes and therefore can stabilize the dysfunction which appears to be a regular part of the coronary artery disease process. As a fat

emulsifier PC holds the potential to actually reverse the accumulation of plaque inside the arteries. Clinically one would expect to see reductions in angina, and in CRP and cholesterol levels while HDL may rise. Improving the composition of cell membranes will also reduce the tendency to plaque, and to abnormal coagulability (thick blood) of the blood. It has been found that IV and oral PC along with balanced fatty acids can also improve neurologic and liver function, memory, and athletic endurance. It may be able to reverse fatty liver, enhance brain development in children, and restore more normal functioning in autism which is thought to result from arrested brain development. It may be useful in anti-aging protocols, as witnessed by 30% longer life spans in experimental animals (rats) despite the fact that the PC was started relatively later in the life of the animals, and rejeuvenation of rat myocytes (heart muscle cells) in vitro. PC levels in

all tissue decrease with age, and PC treatment is able to reverse age related changes in the lipid membrane composition, thus rejeuvenating all cells. The lipid neuronal cell membranes are turned over and made new every 24 hours, so adequate presence of PC and the correct balance of essential fats and oils can make rapid and significant inroads into neurodegenerative conditions. This is why Ed Kane (an expert in lipid chemistry) concluded that PC is life. Beneficial changes may within 4 months of discontinuation of IV and oral supplementation, so a lifetime maintanence program may be necessary.Injectible glutathione is often given in conjunction with PC IV's. Together they comprise the key components of the PK Protocol. Glutathione is an important intracellular antioxidant that is especially important in protecting liver, brain, and kidney cells from toxicity and free radicals. Also, neurologist Dr Perlmutter in Florida serendipidously found

that IV glutathione can reduce the symptoms of Parkinson's disease, and he has now developed protocols involving glutathione by itself given IVP up to daily which he uses in treating various other neurologic diseases. Dr Kane has taken Perlmutter's glutathione protocol and added the PC IV component. She claims enhanced effectiveness over a broader range of indications, and has an amzing collection of successfully treated patients to support her claims. The PK protocol IV's, however, must also be backed up by oral supplements, liver flushing, and dietary changes. Clearing sludge in this way from the liver and bile ducts is a crucially important part of this therapy. I am excited to introduce the entire PK protocol to Caring Medical at this time. We treat very sick patients. Many of our patients suffer from the disorders mentioned above. Many of them have serious brain fog, and neurologic or cardiovascular disease. Many suffer from various toxicities

affecting the liver and the central nervous system. We encourage anyone suffering from these disorders to make an appointment to discuss this very important new approach to chronic illness. A simple vision test, the FACT, is available to simply and inexpensively screen patients for the likelihood that they will benefit from this treatment.The FACT* Vision Test for Brain Toxicity.The FACT (Functional Acuity Contrast Test) is an approved and validated in-office vision test that determines the patient's ability to discriminate between shades of gray. The test is completely non-invasive and simply involves the reading of a chart at a set distance. Because retinal cells (rods and cones) are really neuronal cells directly derived from the brain, weakness on this test correlates with toxicity of the central nervous system. This may be from interference to impulse transmission over neurons due to fatty acid abnormalities and lack of membrane

fluidity, or the presence of intracellular toxins from infectious agents or heavy metals. Toxicity can be viewed as a foreign object sitting on the cell membrane and blocking the fluidity that is necessary for correct sight. The aging process, on the other hand, is associated with a shift in the type of fats comprising the cell membranes away from phosphatidylcholine to sphingomyelin which directly results in loss of high energy double bonds in the omega 3 and 6 fats needed for optimum cellular function. The resulting sluggish cell membranes are also much less able to dislodge accumulating toxins. The eye is a window to the brain, which is 60% lipid, and the photoreceptor cells themselves are the highest in lipid membrane complexity. Toxic states, the aging process itself, brain fog, neurodegenerative diseases like MS and ALS, and CNS manifestations of chronic diseases such as chronic fatigue syndrome and Lymes are conditions which suggest the need for

FACT testing. The test is also useful for monitoring the benefits from a series of phosphatidylcholine/glutathione IV's and oral supplementation intended to reduce nervous system toxicity. Incidentally, visual problems stemming from Vitamin A deficiency, macular degeneration, cataracts, astigmatism, glaucoma, and diabetic retinopathy may also be revealed by this test.A failing score on the FACT test is a helpful diagnostic clue in patients with neurologic or cognitive complaints, or known or suspected toxicity issues. Although a sign of dysfunction that would impair the function of the central nervous system, a poor score points to the need for effective available treatment with oral and intravenous nutritional protocols. Because the neuron cell membrane is so metabolically active, improved readings can actually be seen on this test in some cases within 30 minutes of a single IV treatment with phosphatidylcholine and glutathione. The test is

usually repeated at intervals of every three IV treatments to document progress.The cost of each test administration is $25.00. Readers of this newsletter who are already patients of caring Medical are eligible to have the test administered here without an associated doctor's visit. However, all patients who fail the test will be asked to make an appointment to discuss their case and the possible treatment available. Since there are no procedure codes pertaining to this evaluation, there can be no insurance billing and thus no insurance reimbursement possible.* The FACT test is a patented technology developed by Arthur Ginsburg, PhD and distributed by Stereo Optical.Visit Benuts Nutritional Supplements for any of the nutritional products listed in the article above.> > > > > >> > > > > > What I have learned is: 1) that the 880 helps some, but that the strains in the US are different from Europe and that may not be fully considered in the treatment protcols there; 2) it takes multiple treatments to do any good; 3) for now it is probably not consistently successful; 4) keep powder (and $$$) dry until they work out the kinks. Have wondered if the IV Ozone is why people going there feel so good during treatment. That is a powerful detox.> > > > > > > > > > > > Using a Doug Coil type machine from J in Pa. Coiled for Bart for 15 sec at 832. Coil was on the lower stomach, upper abdomen. Have tried Welchol (1/4 tab) for Detox, plus a load of pills. Probably not enough Welchol to work, but heard a recent horror story from a woman who wound up at the ER from coiling and Welchol. (Not rumor, first hand experience from a very

knowledgable med professional.) So very cautious.> > > > > > > > > > > > Two very knowledgable people, Dr. J in Ct. (treating doc for abx) and a scientist who is helping our son, both are advising to treat the Lyme first, than go after Bart. It had been suggested that we do the bart first. Long story, familar to all of you. You get so much direction that you are laying in the ditch like the centipede, trying to remember which foot to move first. > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably need to know more about coiling and abx and Lyme. If we stop the abx I am afraid the Bb will rage out of control while we try to calibrate the coiling and detox. Sort of have an uneasy balance at the moment. (Like walking on the razor's edge.)> > > > > > > > > > > > Two and a half years into the battle. Spend between 5 and 20 hours a week on the

computer reading a following threads. Talked to LK in Al on Thursday and following up on the Beam Ray. This is the best forum on the internet for Lyme and Rife. Good, caring, knowledgable people. I mostly just read the posts and try to learn. Detoxing is a huge issue for us. My sincere thanks to all who responded. He is going through a rough patch right now. (But, it has been worse.)> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>