Re: about silicone dioxide in medications

[Guest guest]

Compounding pharmacists will make prescription medications for you without all the additives, as long as you have a prescription. They usually cost less than brand name meds too.

[Guest guest]

Cosima,

It really is ridiculous, the stuff they add to

medications! . . .

I'd suggest talking to a pharmacist about which

medications can be substituted for others.

Lana <lanadearest@...> has done a lot of

research on products containing forms of silica . . .

Her sons were seriously, chronically ill until she

made the connection. They are doing well after taking

silica products out of their diet. Lana stuck to her

guns and found alternative medications that helped her

and her family.

I'd suggest talking to her. I've copied this to her so

she'll know what you're dealing with.

Meanwhile, don't get discouraged. Once your implants

are out, you should start seeing some real progress.

Everything you're doing now will help speed your

recovery. Just keep hanging in there! You're going to

make it!

Hugs,

Rogene

--- Cosima <cosimaf@...> wrote:

> rogene,

> i checked online and cipro does have silicon dioxide

> in it. so does my

> sleeping pill and hormone pill. i can't just give up

> meds and take new

> ones. i have a very sensitive system and it

> sometimes takes quite a

> while to find a med and dosage that i can even

> tolerate. i have to have

> the hormone pill. i'm only 41.i also saw many other

> inactive

> ingredients in the lists on these pills. you have to

> wonder what they

> put shellac in hormone pills for.i'm starting to

> think i should never

> put another pill of any kind in my mouth.the drug

> insert info reads

> like a food label with long lists of preservatives,

> artificial colors,

> falvors,fillers,etc.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was just looking online for silica and found something about

silicosis - which apparently was discovered in the 1700's. Workers

in a factory that made dishes got sick from breathing in the dust!

Maybe the FDA will approve asbestos as a food additive!

Sis

>

> > rogene,

> > i checked online and cipro does have silicon dioxide

> > in it. so does my

> > sleeping pill and hormone pill. i can't just give up

> > meds and take new

> > ones. i have a very sensitive system and it

> > sometimes takes quite a

> > while to find a med and dosage that i can even

> > tolerate. i have to have

> > the hormone pill. i'm only 41.i also saw many other

> > inactive

> > ingredients in the lists on these pills. you have to

> > wonder what they

> > put shellac in hormone pills for.i'm starting to

> > think i should never

> > put another pill of any kind in my mouth.the drug

> > insert info reads

> > like a food label with long lists of preservatives,

> > artificial colors,

> > falvors,fillers,etc.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The problem with asbestos is that the fibers are so small they get lodged in the

lungs and

the lungs cannot expel them. I suspect something similar with the problem with

silicosis.

This is not the same as ingesting these materials.

The issue with ingesting silica may be the body's allergic reaction to it.

This seems to be what Lana was describing to me.

> >

> > > rogene,

> > > i checked online and cipro does have silicon dioxide

> > > in it. so does my

> > > sleeping pill and hormone pill. i can't just give up

> > > meds and take new

> > > ones. i have a very sensitive system and it

> > > sometimes takes quite a

> > > while to find a med and dosage that i can even

> > > tolerate. i have to have

> > > the hormone pill. i'm only 41.i also saw many other

> > > inactive

> > > ingredients in the lists on these pills. you have to

> > > wonder what they

> > > put shellac in hormone pills for.i'm starting to

> > > think i should never

> > > put another pill of any kind in my mouth.the drug

> > > insert info reads

> > > like a food label with long lists of preservatives,

> > > artificial colors,

> > > falvors,fillers,etc.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, the symptoms didn't seem the same with silicosis as what we're

all experiencing, I'm just ranting today because I just don't

understand why so much junk has to be added to everything. I guess

it all boils down to profits.

Sis

> > >

> > > > rogene,

> > > > i checked online and cipro does have silicon dioxide

> > > > in it. so does my

> > > > sleeping pill and hormone pill. i can't just give up

> > > > meds and take new

> > > > ones. i have a very sensitive system and it

> > > > sometimes takes quite a

> > > > while to find a med and dosage that i can even

> > > > tolerate. i have to have

> > > > the hormone pill. i'm only 41.i also saw many other

> > > > inactive

> > > > ingredients in the lists on these pills. you have to

> > > > wonder what they

> > > > put shellac in hormone pills for.i'm starting to

> > > > think i should never

> > > > put another pill of any kind in my mouth.the drug

> > > > insert info reads

> > > > like a food label with long lists of preservatives,

> > > > artificial colors,

> > > > falvors,fillers,etc.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Is there a difference between silica and silicone? Isn't one okay

and the other not?

Cherie

> >

> > > rogene,

> > > i checked online and cipro does have silicon dioxide

> > > in it. so does my

> > > sleeping pill and hormone pill. i can't just give up

> > > meds and take new

> > > ones. i have a very sensitive system and it

> > > sometimes takes quite a

> > > while to find a med and dosage that i can even

> > > tolerate. i have to have

> > > the hormone pill. i'm only 41.i also saw many other

> > > inactive

> > > ingredients in the lists on these pills. you have to

> > > wonder what they

> > > put shellac in hormone pills for.i'm starting to

> > > think i should never

> > > put another pill of any kind in my mouth.the drug

> > > insert info reads

> > > like a food label with long lists of preservatives,

> > > artificial colors,

> > > falvors,fillers,etc.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Silicone is made from silica and oxygen. Here is an article from LaLeche group,

and I am

posting all of it, because it might be of interest..

Silicone Breast Implants and Breastfeeding

Cheston M. Berlin, Jr. MD

Hershey Medical Center, Hershey, PA

from Breastfeeding Abstracts, February 1996, Volume 15, Number 3, pp. 17-18.

Over the past three decades, approximately 850,000 women have received silicone

breast

implants for cosmetic or reconstructive purposes. Recently, concerns have come

to light

about illnesses in some of these women, especially connective tissue disease

(sometimes

referred to as human adjuvant disease), and in April 1992, the United States

Food and

Drug Administration declared silicone implants would be available only through

controlled

clinical trials.(1) Questions have also been raised about the health of the

offspring of these

women, especially those infants who have been breastfed. However, there are no

data on

the incidence or length of breastfeeding in these women.

Breast implants made of silicone materials generate two issues of concern

relative to

breastfeeding. First, do the implants leak silicone compounds into human milk?

Silicone is

widely present in the environment and avoiding ingestion is difficult. Silicone

drops have

been used for years in both the U. S. and Europe for colic. Second, do the

implants cause

some type of immunologic disease in the infant? This could be caused either by

prenatal

transfer or by excretion into the milk of an antibody-antigen complex which then

may be

absorbed through the infant's gastrointestinal tract and distributed to target

tissues where

a pathologic response may be triggered.

Silicon (Si) is the second most common element in the earth's crust; oxygen (O),

the most

common. Together these two elements comprise 75 percent of the earth's crust. In

its

natural state, one silicon atom is surrounded by four oxygen atoms forming an

orderly

three-dimensional network. Silica is the term for both the simplest SiO2

compound and

for its various three-dimensional structures. Silica is inert and permitted as a

food

additive. The only well-documented human health hazard from silica is a result

of inhaling

crystalline silica dust into the lungs, causing silicosis (pulmonary fibrosis).

This type of

silica is never used in breast implants. When silica lacks its highly ordered

geometrical

structure, it is termed " amorphous silica " and is thought to lack the ability to

cause fibrotic

reactions. Other important silicon compounds include silicic acid (where a

hydroxyl [OH]

group replaces one or more of the oxygen atoms) and organosilicates (where

organic

groups such as methyl, ethyl or vinyl are attached to the silicon atom). Any

compound

which contains an Si-O bond is termed a silicone.(2)

The compound produced for most biologic implants is polydimethylsiloxane [PDMS],

a

silicone polymer which is insoluble in biological fluids with an average

molecular weight of

24,000.(3) Straight chains of PDMS are fluids; cross-linked chains of PDMS are

gels or

solids, depending on the type and extent of cross-linking. A silicone elastomer

can be

produced by adding amorphous silica to highly cross-linked PDMS. This is then

used as a

barrier to surround the PDMS gel to produce silicone gel implants. The internal

PDMS gel

may bleed through the elastomer envelope and then, engulfed by phagocytes, may

be

transported anywhere in the body. Large amounts may produce granulomas.

Because of the widespread presence of silicon compounds in the environment,

measurement of elemental Si in biological systems is difficult. However, an

assay of

silicone in human milk was conducted by Dow Corning on six samples of milk from

lactating women with breast implants. This laborious assay requires 10 days to

complete

and measures PDMS, not elemental Si. The amount of PDMS in the milk of women

with

implants was not statistically different from that in water blanks or control

human milk

samples. The milk from women with polydimethylsiloxane [PDMS] implants, 3.62

ppm;

control milk, 3.40 ppm; water, 2.25 ppm.(4) Another study with more subjects and

broader measurements is underway at Baylor University College of Medicine.

At least two recent reports have focused on clinical descriptions of children

whose

mothers have had breast implants. In one report, the children, non-randomly

selected,

exhibited some physical symptoms which included abnormal results from motility

studies

of the esophagus, recurrent abdominal pain and other gastrointestinal symptoms,

and

decreased weight-height ratios.(5) However, these children were selected by

referral by

physicians and support groups responding to parental concern over possible

health effects

in the infant whose mother had implants. Many factors in this report were not

well

controlled and bear closer examination before conclusions are drawn on the

relationship

between the symptoms reported in the children and their mothers' implants. The

second

report describes two children with rheumatic complaints who were breastfed by

women

with breast implants. To date, neither child has been diagnosed as having any

connective

tissue disorder(6)

These cases reflect an extremely small sample in comparison to the large number

of

women who have had implants. Studies of a larger number of women and their

offspring

are critical to any conclusions. We also need to know much more about the

biology of

silicone, its absorption pattern from the gastrointestinal tract, possible

metabolic

conversion in the liver and other tissues, renal excretion, and binding to

tissue protein or

bone. Further study, especially involving genetic studies such as HLA typing,

may reveal

certain families at risk for both maternal connective tissue disease and similar

illnesses in

the children. Women with clinical illnesses suggestive of human adjuvant disease

may

represent a subset whose infants may be at a greater risk. Until such data are

acquired, or

a more definite clinical syndrome identified, there should be no absolute

contraindication

to breastfeeding by women with silicone breast implants. (7)

> > >

> > > > rogene,

> > > > i checked online and cipro does have silicon dioxide

> > > > in it. so does my

> > > > sleeping pill and hormone pill. i can't just give up

> > > > meds and take new

> > > > ones. i have a very sensitive system and it

> > > > sometimes takes quite a

> > > > while to find a med and dosage that i can even

> > > > tolerate. i have to have

> > > > the hormone pill. i'm only 41.i also saw many other

> > > > inactive

> > > > ingredients in the lists on these pills. you have to

> > > > wonder what they

> > > > put shellac in hormone pills for.i'm starting to

> > > > think i should never

> > > > put another pill of any kind in my mouth.the drug

> > > > insert info reads

> > > > like a food label with long lists of preservatives,

> > > > artificial colors,

> > > > falvors,fillers,etc.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I do think it interesting that this doctor seems to think that because there is

no proof

breastfeeding with silicone implants is unsafe, it's okay. Typical, isn't it?

Not only is it acceptable that we are guinea pigs, it's okay that our children

are too?

Anyway, at least this article discusses the makeup of silicone.

> > > >

> > > > > rogene,

> > > > > i checked online and cipro does have silicon dioxide

> > > > > in it. so does my

> > > > > sleeping pill and hormone pill. i can't just give up

> > > > > meds and take new

> > > > > ones. i have a very sensitive system and it

> > > > > sometimes takes quite a

> > > > > while to find a med and dosage that i can even

> > > > > tolerate. i have to have

> > > > > the hormone pill. i'm only 41.i also saw many other

> > > > > inactive

> > > > > ingredients in the lists on these pills. you have to

> > > > > wonder what they

> > > > > put shellac in hormone pills for.i'm starting to

> > > > > think i should never

> > > > > put another pill of any kind in my mouth.the drug

> > > > > insert info reads

> > > > > like a food label with long lists of preservatives,

> > > > > artificial colors,

> > > > > falvors,fillers,etc.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

There is a difference, but the final products are all

related. Silica is the raw form - sand - it's

chemically manipulated to make a host of other

products.

Rogene

--- Cherie <cheriesut@...> wrote:

> Is there a difference between silica and silicone?

> Isn't one okay

> and the other not?

> Cherie

>

> > >

> > > > rogene,

> > > > i checked online and cipro does have silicon

> dioxide

> > > > in it. so does my

> > > > sleeping pill and hormone pill. i can't just

> give up

> > > > meds and take new

> > > > ones. i have a very sensitive system and it

> > > > sometimes takes quite a

> > > > while to find a med and dosage that i can even

> > > > tolerate. i have to have

> > > > the hormone pill. i'm only 41.i also saw many

> other

> > > > inactive

> > > > ingredients in the lists on these pills. you

> have to

> > > > wonder what they

> > > > put shellac in hormone pills for.i'm starting

> to

> > > > think i should never

> > > > put another pill of any kind in my mouth.the

> drug

> > > > insert info reads

> > > > like a food label with long lists of

> preservatives,

> > > > artificial colors,

> > > > falvors,fillers,etc.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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