Re: New member with a question

[Guest guest]

Sally, I was on 30MG Hydrocortisone for about 4 months and I am

successfully weaned sown to 20MG now! Sometimes it is necessary to take

higher amounts of HC to allow your body to accept enough thyroid for it

to work properly, The MAIN thing I have learned about getting off

steroids is timing. You must have your thyroid high enough to sustain

proper metabolism before you try to cut the HC back. Then it will be

alot smoother.

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[Guest guest]

You and I are dealing with similar issues at the moment. I am on

Isocort and can't cope with a thyroid dose increase, so am pretty

much just sitting here too! No doubt Val will put you right on this,

but I believe Isocort is much weaker than Cortef, and if you can't

increase your dose on Cortef, you are unlikely to be able to do it on

Isocort. I am also sleeping badly, have hypoglycaemia, very weak and

shakey - I find myself crawling up the stairs on all fours.

I am anxiously awaiting my Cortef (also self-medicating - hope it

will arrive tomorrow) so I can get started on this and increase my

Thyroid S to 2 grains.

Val - what is the answer here? How does one deal with a situation

where you are taking as much adrenal support as you are supposed to,

and it's still not enough!

Nicola

- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Sally Lazarus "

wrote:

>

> Hi!

>

> I just joined the group. I was hypo and undiagnosed for many years.

> This led to problems tolerating thyroid treatment and Adrenal

Fatigue,

> which I am currently self-treating with Cortef. I have been

> considering weaning myself off Cortef and on to Isocort as I am

> worried that my adrenals will shut down completely with the Cortef.

I

> have also put on about 11 lbs in weight since starting adrenal

support

> (initially prednisolone) and since I am already quite heavy this is

a

> problem.

>

> I take 25mg Cortef (10mg with breakfast, 5mg with lunch, 5mg with

> dinner and 5mg at bedtime). I was managing quite well on this dose

> until my thyroid meds were increased 4 weeks ago. In the last week

or

> so my adrenal symptoms are back - I am starting to get internal

> shaking after only mild exertion - eg a short walk. My muscles also

> feel weak and shake when they are tensed and I am easily getting out

> of breath. I feel like I've had some horrible virus that has laid me

> really low and I am left with no energy or strength (I haven't,

though

> I have had a sore throat / mild cold for over a week now). Last

night

> I woke at 3am in a sweat with anxiety (this was a major problem a

few

> months ago, but resolved with adrenal support).

>

> I have proved that this is caused by low adrenals as taking an extra

> 5mg Cortef when I am shaky relieves the symptoms. I am scared to

> increase my cortef, but I am not able to do much more than sit in a

> chair at the moment. Would I be able to safely increase my Cortef

for

> a few days without shutting my adrenals down further or would I be

> stuck with the increased dose?

>

> Any suggestions gratefully received

>

> Sally

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Val

Thanks for the reassuring response - very quick too! I will try

increasing to 30mg for a while until my body gets used to the increase

in thyroid meds.

Do you know if people who are very overweight need more h/c? If so,

would this still be considered a physiological dose?

Thanks

Sally

>

> Sally, I was on 30MG Hydrocortisone for about 4 months and I am

> successfully weaned sown to 20MG now! Sometimes it is necessary to

take higher amounts of HC to allow your body to accept enough thyroid

for it to work properly, The MAIN thing I have learned about getting off

> steroids is timing. You must have your thyroid high enough to sustain

> proper metabolism before you try to cut the HC back. Then it will be

> alot smoother.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nicola

Perhaps we can sit here together?! LOL!

You sound a lot worse than me - I haven't yet been reduced to crawling

up the stairs, thank goodness.

I hope your Cortef arrives tomorrow and you feel better very soon

Sally

>

> You and I are dealing with similar issues at the moment. I am on

> Isocort and can't cope with a thyroid dose increase, so am pretty

> much just sitting here too! No doubt Val will put you right on this,

> but I believe Isocort is much weaker than Cortef, and if you can't

> increase your dose on Cortef, you are unlikely to be able to do it on

> Isocort. I am also sleeping badly, have hypoglycaemia, very weak and

> shakey - I find myself crawling up the stairs on all fours.

>

> I am anxiously awaiting my Cortef (also self-medicating - hope it

> will arrive tomorrow) so I can get started on this and increase my

> Thyroid S to 2 grains.

>

> Val - what is the answer here? How does one deal with a situation

> where you are taking as much adrenal support as you are supposed to,

> and it's still not enough!

>

> Nicola

[Guest guest]

Sally

Thank you. It's a bad day today - I feel very shakey, despite having

taken 11 Isocort already. I am going to drop my thyroid dose by 1/4

grain, and ride out the hypoT symptoms. Fingers crossed for

tomorrow. Then I need to think about how I make the transition.

Just sitting here, not doing much ...!!!

Nicola

-- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Sally Lazarus "

wrote:

>

> Hi Nicola

>

> Perhaps we can sit here together?! LOL!

>

> You sound a lot worse than me - I haven't yet been reduced to

crawling

> up the stairs, thank goodness.

>

> I hope your Cortef arrives tomorrow and you feel better very soon

>

> Sally

>

>

> >

> > You and I are dealing with similar issues at the moment. I am on

> > Isocort and can't cope with a thyroid dose increase, so am pretty

> > much just sitting here too! No doubt Val will put you right on

this,

> > but I believe Isocort is much weaker than Cortef, and if you

can't

> > increase your dose on Cortef, you are unlikely to be able to do

it on

> > Isocort. I am also sleeping badly, have hypoglycaemia, very weak

and

> > shakey - I find myself crawling up the stairs on all fours.

> >

> > I am anxiously awaiting my Cortef (also self-medicating - hope it

> > will arrive tomorrow) so I can get started on this and increase

my

> > Thyroid S to 2 grains.

> >

> > Val - what is the answer here? How does one deal with a situation

> > where you are taking as much adrenal support as you are supposed

to,

> > and it's still not enough!

> >

> > Nicola

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nicola

Dropping the Armour sounds like a good idea. IMO HypoT symptoms are

much easier to handle than adrenal ones.

You will probably have to be careful when you make the switch to

Cortef as increased adrenal support can result in an increase in the

availability of thyroid hormone in the body and cause hyper-type

symptoms (but you probably knew that anyway ))

Take care

Sally

>

> Sally

>

> Thank you. It's a bad day today - I feel very shakey, despite having

> taken 11 Isocort already. I am going to drop my thyroid dose by 1/4

> grain, and ride out the hypoT symptoms. Fingers crossed for

> tomorrow. Then I need to think about how I make the transition.

>

> Just sitting here, not doing much ...!!!

>

> Nicola

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sally

I DID know that, and I'm just pondering my game plan. Do you know

whether it is definite that I will get hyper symptoms, and how long

they will last before things even out? I have to plan the rest of my

week....

Nicola

-- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Sally Lazarus "

wrote:

>

> Hi Nicola

>

> Dropping the Armour sounds like a good idea. IMO HypoT symptoms are

> much easier to handle than adrenal ones.

>

> You will probably have to be careful when you make the switch to

> Cortef as increased adrenal support can result in an increase in the

> availability of thyroid hormone in the body and cause hyper-type

> symptoms (but you probably knew that anyway ))

>

> Take care

>

> Sally

>

>

> > Nicola

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nicola

I don't think it is definite - other people may know more than me

though. If you did get hyper symptoms I don't know how long they would

last - you would probably have to cut back on your thyroid until it

settled down. Dr Peatfield advises to stop all thyroid meds for

a day or two before starting adrenal support, then increase slowly

back to the level you were on before, to reduce the possibility of

hyper symptoms.

Sally

>

> Hi Sally

>

> I DID know that, and I'm just pondering my game plan. Do you know

> whether it is definite that I will get hyper symptoms, and how long

> they will last before things even out? I have to plan the rest of my

> week....

>

> Nicola

>

[Guest guest]

Sally - I just got an appointment with Thierry Hertoghe in Brussels on

Wednesday, so I will hold off the Cortef and just limp on with the

Isocort until then. I shall ask him if I need to stop my thyroid meds

while the Cortef takes effect.

I was interested to see you write that you feel like you have a fluey

virus. I have had this feeling for 18 months now, and was told it was

due to low cortisol and low thyroid.

take care,

Nicola

>

> Hi Nicola

>

> I don't think it is definite - other people may know more than me

> though. If you did get hyper symptoms I don't know how long they would

> last - you would probably have to cut back on your thyroid until it

> settled down. Dr Peatfield advises to stop all thyroid meds for

> a day or two before starting adrenal support, then increase slowly

> back to the level you were on before, to reduce the possibility of

> hyper symptoms.

>

> Sally

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nicola

Wow! That's great news! He's really supposed to know his stuff! I'm

sure he will be able to sort you out. So, do you live in Belgium then?

What you said about the feeling of having a fluey virus is very

interesting and makes a lot of sense. For years I frequently felt as

though I had a virus, never realising the real reason until I started

doing some research 4 years ago and realised I was hypothyroid. I am

so angry with the medical profession for ignoring me for so long! If I

had been properly diagnosed when I first exhibited symptoms I would

probably be well by now!

Good luck on Wednesday!

Sally

>

> Sally - I just got an appointment with Thierry Hertoghe in Brussels on

> Wednesday, so I will hold off the Cortef and just limp on with the

> Isocort until then. I shall ask him if I need to stop my thyroid

meds while the Cortef takes effect.

>

> I was interested to see you write that you feel like you have a

fluey virus. I have had this feeling for 18 months now, and was told

it was due to low cortisol and low thyroid.

>

> take care,

>

> Nicola