Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Personally, I'd be very concerned about prolonged use of botox . . . You see so many in the movie industry with frozen faces. Their eyebrows look like they're pasted on their faces. . . Eventually, their faces look expressionless. There's something to be said for aging gracefully. Who would want to look like a infant when they are in their teens? Or a teenager when they are in their sixties? . . . Yet aging is being treated like a disorder - Guess who profits? Real beauty comes from inside - from eating right, and from a loving spirit! . . . Which, BTW, Patty is a prime example of! . . . She doesn't show a sign of aging! . . . and she absolutely glows! . . . A real testament to eating right and living in the spirit! Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Wait a minute though...I don't think that is a necessarily true conclusion...what about how vaccinations work? You can get a shot with something in it to provoke your immune system and will most definitely have an effect in the long term. You may even get a little bit sick from that shot, and in the future not react to the same thing. At the same time, some people can react very, very badly to a shot the first time....Just a thought on " reactions " , which CAN change over time. Patty > > >>> > > >>> Hi Rogene, > > >>> > > >>> Is this a test a woman can use prior to being implanted to see if > > >> she is > > >>> sensitive to silicone? > > >>> > > >>> Kenda > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Questest is in the process of reviewing the need for > > >>>> the silicon hypersensitivity tests. It would be > > >>>> helpful if we could get the ladies in the support > > >>>> groups to write to them and tell them that they feel > > >>>> that they are hypersensitive to the silicone in the > > >>>> breast implants and ask them if they are performing > > >>>> the silicon hypersensitivity tests. > > >>>> > > >>>> If Questest receives a large number of requests it > > >>>> should help to encourage them to make these tests > > >>>> available. The best part is you do not need a doctor's > > >>>> referral to have blood work done in their lab. > > >>>> > > >>>> The manufacturers fought very hard to dispute the > > >>>> results of the hypersensitivity tests that were > > >>>> preformed by Dr. Shanklin and Smalley, because those > > >>>> tests work! I can not even begin to tell you all how > > >>>> important these tests are. > > >>>> > > >>>> The doctors can NOT argue with blood tests and if you > > >>>> are hypersensitive to the silicon, the doctors can NOT > > >>>> and will NOT order medications for you with silicon in > > >>>> them. > > >>>> > > >>>> These tests were the stepping stone for my children > > >>>> and I getting well. These tests were the reason our > > >>>> doctors stopped disputing whether or not the implants > > >>>> were indeed causing our medical problems. > > >>>> > > >>>> This is one way that we can " help ourselves " get the > > >>>> answers we need! I have just recently sent them copies > > >>>> of the tests that were done on me. Lana > > >>>> > > >>>> http://www.questest.com/ch/minihome/Home.jsp > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice > > >> given by licensed > > >>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed > > >> health care > > >>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > >>>> > > >>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > > >> mislead you. > > >>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about > > >> how to live a > > >>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, > > >> two-time > > >>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > >>>> > > >>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > > >>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > >>>> > > >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Rogene, You are so absolutely right! True beauty comes from the inside and radiates outward. I've seen some people who look beautiful from the outside, but they open their mouth and the whole facade all crashes down into an ugly heap. And I've seen some average looking people who become totally radiant and absolutely gorgeous as they speak...you can watch as their words gently float out of their mouths, dance in the air, and shower everyone around them with grace as they rain down. It is amazing. You always say such kind things about me. I'd like to think that whatever I radiate, it is because of Christ alone, who has redeemed my life from the dirty pit I had dug for myself. He picked me up, brushed me off with his gentle hands, washed me clean, and clothed me with amazing grace....I know without a doubt that He's there, because of the way my life has changed ever since I gave my life over to Him so long ago. I've shared with you how He has blessed my life! I would have never believed it possible if I hadn't experienced it for myself! I know He loves me so very much, (so much that He died for you and me) and that love is what sustains me. No matter what happens in my life, His love is always there...it is as sure as the sun that rises...and gives me strength to face every day, every trial because I know He's right there with me and won't let me down. I hope that it is His love that radiates out from me, because He has taken over my heart. He is my whole reason for living, breathing, being. I love Him for than life itself. It was God who spoke to my heart about my healing journey....after all, if He made us, doesn't it make sense that He would know how to take care of us and provide for us the foods we need? His plan was perfect from the beginning, always has been and always will be! Thanks for your kindness, Rogene. By the way, you are a gorgeous lady too... Love, Patty > > Personally, I'd be very concerned about prolonged use > of botox . . . > > You see so many in the movie industry with frozen > faces. Their eyebrows look like they're pasted on > their faces. . . Eventually, their faces look > expressionless. > > There's something to be said for aging gracefully. Who > would want to look like a infant when they are in > their teens? Or a teenager when they are in their > sixties? . . . Yet aging is being treated like a > disorder - Guess who profits? > > Real beauty comes from inside - from eating right, and > from a loving spirit! . . . > > Which, BTW, Patty is a prime example of! . . . She > doesn't show a sign of aging! . . . and she absolutely > glows! . . . A real testament to eating right and > living in the spirit! > > Hugs, > > Rogene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Kathy, I just wanted to tell you that this is such a beautiful, heart-felt letter. Kenda > Rogene, > You are so absolutely right! True beauty comes from the inside and > radiates outward. I've seen some people who look beautiful from the > outside, but they open their mouth and the whole facade all crashes > down into an ugly heap. And I've seen some average looking people > who become totally radiant and absolutely gorgeous as they > speak...you can watch as their words gently float out of their > mouths, dance in the air, and shower everyone around them with grace > as they rain down. It is amazing. > > You always say such kind things about me. I'd like to think that > whatever I radiate, it is because of Christ alone, who has redeemed > my life from the dirty pit I had dug for myself. He picked me up, > brushed me off with his gentle hands, washed me clean, and clothed > me with amazing grace....I know without a doubt that He's there, > because of the way my life has changed ever since I gave my life > over to Him so long ago. I've shared with you how He has blessed my > life! I would have never believed it possible if I hadn't > experienced it for myself! I know He loves me so very much, (so much > that He died for you and me) and that love is what sustains me. No > matter what happens in my life, His love is always there...it is as > sure as the sun that rises...and gives me strength to face every > day, every trial because I know He's right there with me and won't > let me down. I hope that it is His love that radiates out from me, > because He has taken over my heart. He is my whole reason for > living, breathing, being. I love Him for than life itself. > > It was God who spoke to my heart about my healing journey....after > all, if He made us, doesn't it make sense that He would know how to > take care of us and provide for us the foods we need? His plan was > perfect from the beginning, always has been and always will be! > Thanks for your kindness, Rogene. By the way, you are a gorgeous > lady too... > Love, > Patty > > > >> >> Personally, I'd be very concerned about prolonged use >> of botox . . . >> >> You see so many in the movie industry with frozen >> faces. Their eyebrows look like they're pasted on >> their faces. . . Eventually, their faces look >> expressionless. >> >> There's something to be said for aging gracefully. Who >> would want to look like a infant when they are in >> their teens? Or a teenager when they are in their >> sixties? . . . Yet aging is being treated like a >> disorder - Guess who profits? >> >> Real beauty comes from inside - from eating right, and >> from a loving spirit! . . . >> >> Which, BTW, Patty is a prime example of! . . . She >> doesn't show a sign of aging! . . . and she absolutely >> glows! . . . A real testament to eating right and >> living in the spirit! >> >> Hugs, >> >> Rogene >> > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care > professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I agree, Rogene! Patty sure looks great. I hope that with proper diet I can improve my health and lose the weight I gained. Proper diet shows, because real beauty reflects good health. I will never use botox. I have no desire to look 25 again. In fact, I think women who are middle aged and try to look 25 look ridiculous. We do age, and aging gracefully certainly has a lot to do with maintaining health. And that is my goal. On that note, I don't mean to offend , but a photo of tummy tuck in revealing poses with a thong does not strike me as appropriate for this type of forum. But that's my opinion. > > Personally, I'd be very concerned about prolonged use > of botox . . . > > You see so many in the movie industry with frozen > faces. Their eyebrows look like they're pasted on > their faces. . . Eventually, their faces look > expressionless. > > There's something to be said for aging gracefully. Who > would want to look like a infant when they are in > their teens? Or a teenager when they are in their > sixties? . . . Yet aging is being treated like a > disorder - Guess who profits? > > Real beauty comes from inside - from eating right, and > from a loving spirit! . . . > > Which, BTW, Patty is a prime example of! . . . She > doesn't show a sign of aging! . . . and she absolutely > glows! . . . A real testament to eating right and > living in the spirit! > > Hugs, > > Rogene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Hi Molly, I agree completely, beauty does radiate from within and is not merely a pretty face or an in shape body. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes. If a person takes care of themselves eating a good, healthy diet -- preferably organic, drinks plenty of water and gets moderate exercise, it will show in their skin. Aging gracefully takes a lot of work but it sure beats plastic surgery! Kenda > I agree, Rogene! Patty sure looks great. I hope that with proper diet I can > improve my > health and lose the weight I gained. Proper diet shows, because real beauty > reflects good > health. > > I will never use botox. I have no desire to look 25 again. In fact, I think > women who are > middle aged and try to look 25 look ridiculous. We do age, and aging > gracefully certainly > has a lot to do with maintaining health. > And that is my goal. > > On that note, I don't mean to offend , but a photo of tummy tuck in > revealing poses > with a thong does not strike me as appropriate for this type of forum. > But that's my opinion. > > > > >> >> Personally, I'd be very concerned about prolonged use >> of botox . . . >> >> You see so many in the movie industry with frozen >> faces. Their eyebrows look like they're pasted on >> their faces. . . Eventually, their faces look >> expressionless. >> >> There's something to be said for aging gracefully. Who >> would want to look like a infant when they are in >> their teens? Or a teenager when they are in their >> sixties? . . . Yet aging is being treated like a >> disorder - Guess who profits? >> >> Real beauty comes from inside - from eating right, and >> from a loving spirit! . . . >> >> Which, BTW, Patty is a prime example of! . . . She >> doesn't show a sign of aging! . . . and she absolutely >> glows! . . . A real testament to eating right and >> living in the spirit! >> >> Hugs, >> >> Rogene >> > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care > professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Ya know the beauty of America is that we all have a choice and no one is going to ever force you to have botox injections. I happen to make an educated decision and I happen to like the way I look. Despite what your saying I still have experssions and look normal. no one would ever in a million years even notice I have anything done at all. The only thing missing is the overactive musles causing ugly deep frown lines in between the eyes. I also believe in aging gracefully and would never dream of making anyone get botox. It is a personal decision and frankly I did not bring it up to upset or stir up people or have people critisize me, I brought it up to point out an interesting thing that happened to me with the flu and thinking it was botox when in fact it wasn't. I am actually sorry I ever brought the whole thing up. I will refrain from talk of botox every again. Lets just remember that we all got implants for a similair reason and to now act as though everything people due to look better is some sort of sin seems pretty hypocritical to me. I still want to look my very best. I am sorry if that makes me a bad person in some peoples eyes. I also happen to have a very healthy body and take very good care of it. So be it. So I like make up and botox. Life is too short to waste on anger or hatred or berating others. Take care and enjoy life ladies! Emrace it and love eachother, don't hate. it is ugly. Love is beautiful! hugs , Rogene S <saxony01@y...> wrote: > > Personally, I'd be very concerned about prolonged use > of botox . . . > > You see so many in the movie industry with frozen > faces. Their eyebrows look like they're pasted on > their faces. . . Eventually, their faces look > expressionless. > > There's something to be said for aging gracefully. Who > would want to look like a infant when they are in > their teens? Or a teenager when they are in their > sixties? . . . Yet aging is being treated like a > disorder - Guess who profits? > > Real beauty comes from inside - from eating right, and > from a loving spirit! . . . > > Which, BTW, Patty is a prime example of! . . . She > doesn't show a sign of aging! . . . and she absolutely > glows! . . . A real testament to eating right and > living in the spirit! > > Hugs, > > Rogene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Patty that is def true of course I know that I work in healthcare! there are all kind of reactions. The thing that proves to me it was indeed coincidence was that I was sick before the injections, just begining to get sick with the usual feelings before a chest cold. Of course with my experience of implants I was a bit nervous that I could react to the botox! I feel comfortable with it and it is nothing like people think, my forehead still moves and there is still expressins, most people that see me just think I did something to my hair. when I first had it done I got so many coments about how great my hair looked it was actually funny since I had not done anything to my hair in months. At any rate if you research botox you will find that they are now using it on patients with all kinds of illness, esp people with nervous ticks or parkinson like symptoms, we had a patient that had such tight leg muscles he could not sleep or relax for him, the botox is a miracle cure. Anyhow, I don't want to get into a debate on botox, I realize that this is not the group for that. I agree though there sure could be reactions for anything. I agree 100%. I happen to feel the results of the botox on my frown line was worth the risk. I hate the angry look I had, probably from all those years of being sick and depressed. Take care , " glory2glory1401 " <glory2glory1401@y...> wrote: > > Wait a minute though...I don't think that is a necessarily true > conclusion...what about how vaccinations work? You can get a shot > with something in it to provoke your immune system and will most > definitely have an effect in the long term. You may even get a > little bit sick from that shot, and in the future not react to the > same thing. > > At the same time, some people can react very, very badly to a shot > the first time....Just a thought on " reactions " , which CAN change > over time. > Patty > > > > > >>> > > > >>> Hi Rogene, > > > >>> > > > >>> Is this a test a woman can use prior to being implanted to > see if > > > >> she is > > > >>> sensitive to silicone? > > > >>> > > > >>> Kenda > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> Questest is in the process of reviewing the need for > > > >>>> the silicon hypersensitivity tests. It would be > > > >>>> helpful if we could get the ladies in the support > > > >>>> groups to write to them and tell them that they feel > > > >>>> that they are hypersensitive to the silicone in the > > > >>>> breast implants and ask them if they are performing > > > >>>> the silicon hypersensitivity tests. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> If Questest receives a large number of requests it > > > >>>> should help to encourage them to make these tests > > > >>>> available. The best part is you do not need a doctor's > > > >>>> referral to have blood work done in their lab. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The manufacturers fought very hard to dispute the > > > >>>> results of the hypersensitivity tests that were > > > >>>> preformed by Dr. Shanklin and Smalley, because those > > > >>>> tests work! I can not even begin to tell you all how > > > >>>> important these tests are. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The doctors can NOT argue with blood tests and if you > > > >>>> are hypersensitive to the silicon, the doctors can NOT > > > >>>> and will NOT order medications for you with silicon in > > > >>>> them. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> These tests were the stepping stone for my children > > > >>>> and I getting well. These tests were the reason our > > > >>>> doctors stopped disputing whether or not the implants > > > >>>> were indeed causing our medical problems. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> This is one way that we can " help ourselves " get the > > > >>>> answers we need! I have just recently sent them copies > > > >>>> of the tests that were done on me. Lana > > > >>>> > > > >>>> http://www.questest.com/ch/minihome/Home.jsp > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice > > > >> given by licensed > > > >>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or > licensed > > > >> health care > > > >>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the > politicians > > > >> mislead you. > > > >>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions > about > > > >> how to live a > > > >>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus > ing, > > > >> two-time > > > >>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this > link: > > > >>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Molly the human body is a beautiful thing. I don't think my photos are meant to be at all provacative. I worked hard HARD for my body as I once weighed over 200 pounds! I am very proud of how far I have come. I did have to do a bit of nip and tuck to achieve the tummy I have now but most of my work was done the old fashioned way, I sweated it out everyday for over 12 years before I finally decided to get rid of that skin. I can only tell you that I hope that one day you also will have succes with your dieting. then you will probably understand how it makes you feel very proud to have come so far. I am sorry if my pics offend, But I stated in the beginning that there were tummy tuck pics and If my pics offend you then I suggest that you not view them. I really find it amazing that women can be so hurtful to one another. However, I don't want to argue about it. I hope one day you can find the beauty and love in the human form and not find it so repulsive. lineSupport , " Molly Bloom " <mollyb54@b...> wrote: > > I agree, Rogene! Patty sure looks great. I hope that with proper diet I can improve my > health and lose the weight I gained. Proper diet shows, because real beauty reflects good > health. > > I will never use botox. I have no desire to look 25 again. In fact, I think women who are > middle aged and try to look 25 look ridiculous. We do age, and aging gracefully certainly > has a lot to do with maintaining health. > And that is my goal. > > On that note, I don't mean to offend , but a photo of tummy tuck in revealing poses > with a thong does not strike me as appropriate for this type of forum. > But that's my opinion. > > > > > > > > Personally, I'd be very concerned about prolonged use > > of botox . . . > > > > You see so many in the movie industry with frozen > > faces. Their eyebrows look like they're pasted on > > their faces. . . Eventually, their faces look > > expressionless. > > > > There's something to be said for aging gracefully. Who > > would want to look like a infant when they are in > > their teens? Or a teenager when they are in their > > sixties? . . . Yet aging is being treated like a > > disorder - Guess who profits? > > > > Real beauty comes from inside - from eating right, and > > from a loving spirit! . . . > > > > Which, BTW, Patty is a prime example of! . . . She > > doesn't show a sign of aging! . . . and she absolutely > > glows! . . . A real testament to eating right and > > living in the spirit! > > > > Hugs, > > > > Rogene > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 , I guess I need to just come right out and ask you since I'm being asked about you. Are you shilling for anyone? . . . i.e. the plastic surgery industry? . . . I hope not! However your posts are sounding more like advertising for cosmetic procedures than support for women sick from their implants. Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Shilling? No Rogene I was just defending myself against a few posts that I thought were a bit unkind. I can leave if that would make you feel better. I thought my posts were just being honest. I mean we all did get plastic surgery at one time and I am not going to lie and say I would never do it again, I would never get implants again this is true. I dont' get botox from a plastic surgeon anyhow. I think I was talking about make up . If you feel uncomfortable with me here I can leave. I came back to offer support to others and to just be honest. The honest truth is that millions of women are out there doing all kinds of thing to make themselves feel better about themselves. I realize this group is about healing. For me part of healing was to fix some things that I felt I could fix without seriously harming myself. I will not talk anymore about make up or botox if that makes you happy, I guess the posts from others just seemed to need a bit of explaining on my end. Obviously my opinions are not wanted here and that is ok. I will stop writting about any of this stuff and get back on track. I do feel I have much to offer to women with illness as I happen to be one of the small number of women that have conquered the illness and am cured (remission) however you want to say it. If I were actually trying to shill for a PS this is the last group I would come to! Anyhow I wish that everyone could just lighten up and see that we are all realy not so different. We all are women that just try to survive in this difficult world and we did the same thing on our quest for beauty. take care ineSupport , Rogene S <saxony01@y...> wrote: > > , > > I guess I need to just come right out and ask you > since I'm being asked about you. > > Are you shilling for anyone? . . . i.e. the plastic > surgery industry? . . . > > I hope not! However your posts are sounding more like > advertising for cosmetic procedures than support for > women sick from their implants. > > Rogene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 , No one here has said that they see the human form as repulsive, I don't know where you got that idea from. Your photos were inappropriate for this list, plain and simple. They have nothing to do with implanting or explanting. A weight loss or pro-plastic surgery list would be more suited for this type of photograph. Kenda > Molly the human body is a beautiful thing. I don't think my photos are > meant to be at all provacative. I worked hard HARD for my body as I > once weighed over 200 pounds! I am very proud of how far I have come. > I did have to do a bit of nip and tuck to achieve the tummy I have now > but most of my work was done the old fashioned way, I sweated it out > everyday for over 12 years before I finally decided to get rid of that > skin. I can only tell you that I hope that one day you also will have > succes with your dieting. then you will probably understand how it > makes you feel very proud to have come so far. > I am sorry if my pics offend, But I stated in the beginning that there > were tummy tuck pics and If my pics offend you then I suggest that you > not view them. I really find it amazing that women can be so hurtful > to one another. However, I don't want to argue about it. I hope one > day you can find the beauty and love in the human form and not find it > so repulsive. > > > > > > > lineSupport , " Molly Bloom " <mollyb54@b...> wrote: >> >> I agree, Rogene! Patty sure looks great. I hope that with proper > diet I can improve my >> health and lose the weight I gained. Proper diet shows, because > real beauty reflects good >> health. >> >> I will never use botox. I have no desire to look 25 again. In > fact, I think women who are >> middle aged and try to look 25 look ridiculous. We do age, and > aging gracefully certainly >> has a lot to do with maintaining health. >> And that is my goal. >> >> On that note, I don't mean to offend , but a photo of tummy > tuck in revealing poses >> with a thong does not strike me as appropriate for this type of forum. >> But that's my opinion. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Personally, I'd be very concerned about prolonged use >>> of botox . . . >>> >>> You see so many in the movie industry with frozen >>> faces. Their eyebrows look like they're pasted on >>> their faces. . . Eventually, their faces look >>> expressionless. >>> >>> There's something to be said for aging gracefully. Who >>> would want to look like a infant when they are in >>> their teens? Or a teenager when they are in their >>> sixties? . . . Yet aging is being treated like a >>> disorder - Guess who profits? >>> >>> Real beauty comes from inside - from eating right, and >>> from a loving spirit! . . . >>> >>> Which, BTW, Patty is a prime example of! . . . She >>> doesn't show a sign of aging! . . . and she absolutely >>> glows! . . . A real testament to eating right and >>> living in the spirit! >>> >>> Hugs, >>> >>> Rogene >>> >> > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care > professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 As I am not a moderator, I don't know the protocol for this listserv, but I do wonder why the conflict about what is appropriate for discussion isn't addressed privately between the moderator and those involved. xo Melinda Re: Botox! Shilling? No Rogene I was just defending myself against a few poststhat I thought were a bit unkind. I can leave if that would make youfeel better. I thought my posts were just being honest. I mean we alldid get plastic surgery at one time and I am not going to lie and sayI would never do it again, I would never get implants again this istrue. I dont' get botox from a plastic surgeon anyhow.I think I was talking about make up .If you feel uncomfortable with me here I can leave. I came back tooffer support to others and to just be honest. The honest truth isthat millions of women are out there doing all kinds of thing to makethemselves feel better about themselves. I realize this group is abouthealing. For me part of healing was to fix some things that I felt Icould fix without seriously harming myself.I will not talk anymore about make up or botox if that makes youhappy, I guess the posts from others just seemed to need a bit ofexplaining on my end. Obviously my opinions are not wanted here andthat is ok.I will stop writting about any of this stuff and get back on track. Ido feel I have much to offer to women with illness as I happen to beone of the small number of women that have conquered the illness andam cured (remission) however you want to say it.If I were actually trying to shill for a PS this is the last group Iwould come to!Anyhow I wish that everyone could just lighten up and see that we areall realy not so different. We all are women that just try to survivein this difficult world and we did the same thing on our quest for beauty.take careineSupport , Rogene S <saxony01@y...> wrote:>> ,> > I guess I need to just come right out and ask you> since I'm being asked about you.> > Are you shilling for anyone? . . . i.e. the plastic> surgery industry? . . . > > I hope not! However your posts are sounding more like> advertising for cosmetic procedures than support for> women sick from their implants.> > Rogene> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 I agree Melinda. It is sometimes hard to know when to step in and take a stance when you want everyone to be able to share freely. We get stuff going on in the background, and that muddles things a little more, because some divergent opinions can arise in how to proceed. I hope I addressed this in a kind way in my previous post to , which, while directed to her, is more of a general statement about the direction I'd like to continue to take. I just feel more comfortable addressing explant issues rather than getting off on these other tangents. I don't mind everyone talking about things that come up in life and we can certainly talk about just general " stuff " , but there are some highly emotional things that can set us off... whew, I've had enough of that! Melinda, how are you feeling? Still dizzy at all? I know this stuff is frustrating, but hopefully you will begin to see it all going away in time! Hugs, Patty > > As I am not a moderator, I don't know the protocol for this listserv, but I do wonder why the conflict about what is appropriate for discussion isn't addressed privately between the moderator and those involved. > xo > Melinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 I wonder why so many of us suffer from dizziness. I had vertigo, too, which was what started my neurologist to start tests, which led to a dx of MS. But I also experienced dizziness, which didn't seem to be ms related. Melinda, I can tell you that almost all of my dizziness has gone away - it is rare that I experience dizziness anymore. Patty, one thing I have seen on another explant type forums is a separate folder for 'fun stuff' or other 'life' stuff (although I haven't seen discussion of plastic surgery). I don't know if that is possible on this type of listserve. But it was separate from the primary issue of explant and recovery. > > > > As I am not a moderator, I don't know the protocol for this > listserv, but I do wonder why the conflict about what is appropriate > for discussion isn't addressed privately between the moderator and > those involved. > > xo > > Melinda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Thanks for asking, Patty. I am still dizzy, my pectoral muscles are pretty sore, and I am really tired, but at the same time I feel better, if you can understand what I mean. My partner says I look so much better, and he isn't talking about my breasts. I think the best thing I feel is a sense of peace and gratitude. I am so glad I have a second chance at life. I feel an appreciation for simple things that I was too sick to appreciate before, and too busy to appreciate before I was sick! I have a deeper empathy for those who are suffering, having suffered myself. I am looking forward to regaining the energy to serve others in the future. xo Melinda Re: Botox! I agree Melinda. It is sometimes hard to know when to step in and take a stance when you want everyone to be able to share freely. We get stuff going on in the background, and that muddles things a little more, because some divergent opinions can arise in how to proceed. I hope I addressed this in a kind way in my previous post to , which, while directed to her, is more of a general statement about the direction I'd like to continue to take. I just feel more comfortable addressing explant issues rather than getting off on these other tangents. I don't mind everyone talking about things that come up in life and we can certainly talk about just general "stuff", but there are some highly emotional things that can set us off... whew, I've had enough of that!Melinda, how are you feeling? Still dizzy at all? I know this stuff is frustrating, but hopefully you will begin to see it all going away in time!Hugs,Patty >> As I am not a moderator, I don't know the protocol for this listserv, but I do wonder why the conflict about what is appropriate for discussion isn't addressed privately between the moderator and those involved. > xo> Melinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Yeah, Moll, dizziness sucks. In fact, it was my worst symptom. At one point I was so dizzy I could not get out of bed for days and days and days. I was housebound for months, left only to see doctors, who could not figure out what to do. I couldn't read, drive, even wash a dish. I could hardly think or talk. I spent most of my days sitting on the couch with my eyes closed and I cried every night, grieving over the fact I could not care for my daughter. It was a terrible, terrible time. I am so glad I will not be dizzy forever. It's the worst kind of Hell. Melinda Re: Botox! I wonder why so many of us suffer from dizziness. I had vertigo, too, which was what started my neurologist to start tests, which led to a dx of MS. But I also experienced dizziness, which didn't seem to be ms related.Melinda, I can tell you that almost all of my dizziness has gone away - it is rare that I experience dizziness anymore.Patty, one thing I have seen on another explant type forums is a separate folder for 'fun stuff' or other 'life' stuff (although I haven't seen discussion of plastic surgery). I don't know if that is possible on this type of listserve. But it was separate from the primary issue of explant and recovery.> >> > As I am not a moderator, I don't know the protocol for this > listserv, but I do wonder why the conflict about what is appropriate > for discussion isn't addressed privately between the moderator and > those involved. > > xo> > Melinda> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Wow...I'm coming in late on this but geeez...I have seen some very petty comments brandied around in this forum. I thank all of you for the support I got from this site, it was invaluable. The words of some are profound on some days and biting on others, and so our moods do change as we are complex individuals, but really, what is up with the criticism? Is it because we don't actually know each other that we feel we can not only judge but comment on our " findings " ? I am not in need of ongoing support, my explantaion was from need not choice, and I will still look here for relevent issues from time to time but good luck to the rest of you who may have to endure some criticism to receive the valuable information contained here. My my my. > > > > I agree, Rogene! Patty sure looks great. I hope that with proper > diet I can improve my > > health and lose the weight I gained. Proper diet shows, because > real beauty reflects good > > health. > > > > I will never use botox. I have no desire to look 25 again. In > fact, I think women who are > > middle aged and try to look 25 look ridiculous. We do age, and > aging gracefully certainly > > has a lot to do with maintaining health. > > And that is my goal. > > > > On that note, I don't mean to offend , but a photo of tummy > tuck in revealing poses > > with a thong does not strike me as appropriate for this type of forum. > > But that's my opinion. > > > > > > > > --- In , Rogene S <saxony01@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Personally, I'd be very concerned about prolonged use > > > of botox . . . > > > > > > You see so many in the movie industry with frozen > > > faces. Their eyebrows look like they're pasted on > > > their faces. . . Eventually, their faces look > > > expressionless. > > > > > > There's something to be said for aging gracefully. Who > > > would want to look like a infant when they are in > > > their teens? Or a teenager when they are in their > > > sixties? . . . Yet aging is being treated like a > > > disorder - Guess who profits? > > > > > > Real beauty comes from inside - from eating right, and > > > from a loving spirit! . . . > > > > > > Which, BTW, Patty is a prime example of! . . . She > > > doesn't show a sign of aging! . . . and she absolutely > > > glows! . . . A real testament to eating right and > > > living in the spirit! > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > Rogene > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Melinda, I went through all those feelings as well, so I do understand what you mean. When you lose your health, you learn to appreciate it so much more, and can sincerely have compassion for others suffering in similar ways. I hope you are soon feeling more energetic (it took me quite awhile, so stay positive through the ups and downs), and I know you are already being a blessing to many women here. Thanks Melinda! Hugs, Patty > > Thanks for asking, Patty. I am still dizzy, my pectoral muscles are pretty sore, and I am really tired, but at the same time I feel better, if you can understand what I mean. My partner says I look so much better, and he isn't talking about my breasts. I think the best thing I feel is a sense of peace and gratitude. I am so glad I have a second chance at life. I feel an appreciation for simple things that I was too sick to appreciate before, and too busy to appreciate before I was sick! I have a deeper empathy for those who are suffering, having suffered myself. I am looking forward to regaining the energy to serve others in the future. > xo > Melinda > > Re: Botox! > > > I agree Melinda. It is sometimes hard to know when to step in and > take a stance when you want everyone to be able to share freely. We > get stuff going on in the background, and that muddles things a little > more, because some divergent opinions can arise in how to proceed. > > I hope I addressed this in a kind way in my previous post to , > which, while directed to her, is more of a general statement about the > direction I'd like to continue to take. I just feel more comfortable > addressing explant issues rather than getting off on these other > tangents. > > I don't mind everyone talking about things that come up in life and we > can certainly talk about just general " stuff " , but there are some > highly emotional things that can set us off... whew, I've had enough > of that! > > Melinda, how are you feeling? Still dizzy at all? I know this stuff > is frustrating, but hopefully you will begin to see it all going away > in time! > Hugs, > Patty > > > > --- In , " freebindi " <bindi@a...> wrote: > > > > As I am not a moderator, I don't know the protocol for this > listserv, but I do wonder why the conflict about what is appropriate > for discussion isn't addressed privately between the moderator and > those involved. > > xo > > Melinda > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Yes it is, Melinda. Is your dizziness any better? I do think it can take time. I only wish I knew why so many of us got dizzy. > > > > > > As I am not a moderator, I don't know the protocol for this > > listserv, but I do wonder why the conflict about what is appropriate > > for discussion isn't addressed privately between the moderator and > > those involved. > > > xo > > > Melinda > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link: > http://.shutterfly.com/action/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 It's unfortunate, and if I personally see a post that I'm not interested in, I just don't read it. Someone had suggested that perhaps if someone took issue with something addressed in a post, it could be taken up with the person separately rather than in a public forum, and I tend to agree. I don't blame anyone for their feelings in the least bit, we've all been through alot because of implants, and our emotions do run high when it comes to plastic surgery procedures. Someone who responded to the post has been very helpful to me in other areas, so I'd hate to see anyone stop coming here because emotions ran a little high over a topic. Sis > > > > > > > > Personally, I'd be very concerned about prolonged use > > > > of botox . . . > > > > > > > > You see so many in the movie industry with frozen > > > > faces. Their eyebrows look like they're pasted on > > > > their faces. . . Eventually, their faces look > > > > expressionless. > > > > > > > > There's something to be said for aging gracefully. Who > > > > would want to look like a infant when they are in > > > > their teens? Or a teenager when they are in their > > > > sixties? . . . Yet aging is being treated like a > > > > disorder - Guess who profits? > > > > > > > > Real beauty comes from inside - from eating right, and > > > > from a loving spirit! . . . > > > > > > > > Which, BTW, Patty is a prime example of! . . . She > > > > doesn't show a sign of aging! . . . and she absolutely > > > > glows! . . . A real testament to eating right and > > > > living in the spirit! > > > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > Rogene > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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