Re: Experience with Epson salt bath

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Kim

You probably experienced a herx reaction. That means that the epsom

salts were stirring up toxins. That is a good sign. I have herxed to

epsom salts. Some people do, and some don't. You should probably

reduce the amount of epsom salts or the amount of time you soak next

time and work up to larger amounts. Also, don't do it daily. May a

few times a week.

Hugs, kathy

>

> Not sure if this is in my head or what but I tried my first bath in

> the stuff last night and my breasts started to hurt, arm went numb

and

> I got a head ache.I feel really " cloudy " today.Is this normal?Should

I

> not do it again?Was it coincidence?

>

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It definitely is not a coincidence and as Kathy mentioned earlier, it is a

herx reaction. If the symptoms are severe, I would not do it again until

you have detoxed more in other ways. If you detox some first, continuing

with the baths later on won't be as bad. You don't want to feel terrible

each time you take an epsom bath. If the herx wasn't terrible, than by all

means take her advice and bath a couple of times a week in an epsom salt

bath.

Kenda

> Not sure if this is in my head or what but I tried my first bath in

> the stuff last night and my breasts started to hurt, arm went numb and

> I got a head ache.I feel really " cloudy " today.Is this normal?Should I

> not do it again?Was it coincidence?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed

> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

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> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

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How do I detox in other ways first?Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote:

It definitely is not a coincidence and as Kathy mentioned earlier, it is aherx reaction. If the symptoms are severe, I would not do it again untilyou have detoxed more in other ways. If you detox some first, continuingwith the baths later on won't be as bad. You don't want to feel terribleeach time you take an epsom bath. If the herx wasn't terrible, than by allmeans take her advice and bath a couple of times a week in an epsom saltbath.Kenda> Not sure if this is in my head or what but I tried my first bath in> the stuff last night and my breasts started to hurt, arm went numb and> I got a head ache.I feel really "cloudy" today.Is this normal?Should I> not do it again?Was it coincidence?> > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take

the place of advice given by licensed> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care> professional before commencing any medical treatment.> > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a> happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> > See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:> http://.shutterfly.com/action/> >

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What is your diet like? Do you drink lots of purified water? How about

supplementation? Give me an idea of what you are doing now and I'll try to

help you.

Kenda

> How do I detox in other ways first?

>

> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote:It definitely is not a coincidence

> and as Kathy mentioned earlier, it is a

> herx reaction. If the symptoms are severe, I would not do it again until

> you have detoxed more in other ways. If you detox some first, continuing

> with the baths later on won't be as bad. You don't want to feel terrible

> each time you take an epsom bath. If the herx wasn't terrible, than by all

> means take her advice and bath a couple of times a week in an epsom salt

> bath.

>

> Kenda

>

>

>> Not sure if this is in my head or what but I tried my first bath in

>> the stuff last night and my breasts started to hurt, arm went numb and

>> I got a head ache.I feel really " cloudy " today.Is this normal?Should I

>> not do it again?Was it coincidence?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>> licensed

>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>

>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>

>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>>

>>

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I have cut out all sugar.I am eating very naturally...I think.I only eat basics like vegetables and lean meat.I am doing this because everytime I carbs, sugar, processed foods or fruit I get intense brain fog and get so tired I want to cry.I have been following this for about a week.I drink nothing but purified water.I am not taking any supplements at all.I am excersizing very minimally because I am so exhausted most of the time.

I would like to send in pictures of what i look like now with my implants because I think they look fairly distored and may help someone to realize how these things can change over time...but how?I am not at all good on the computer....LOL

Thank you so much for all of your helpful advice.Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote:

What is your diet like? Do you drink lots of purified water? How aboutsupplementation? Give me an idea of what you are doing now and I'll try tohelp you.Kenda> How do I detox in other ways first?> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote:It definitely is not a coincidence> and as Kathy mentioned earlier, it is a> herx reaction. If the symptoms are severe, I would not do it again until> you have detoxed more in other ways. If you detox some first, continuing> with the baths later on won't be as bad. You don't want to feel terrible> each time you take an epsom bath. If the herx wasn't terrible, than by all> means take her advice and bath a couple of times a week in an epsom salt> bath.> > Kenda> > >> Not

sure if this is in my head or what but I tried my first bath in>> the stuff last night and my breasts started to hurt, arm went numb and>> I got a head ache.I feel really "cloudy" today.Is this normal?Should I>> not do it again?Was it coincidence?>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by>> licensed>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.>> >> "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a>> happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)>> >> See our photos website!

Enter "implants" for access at this link:>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/>> >>

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Hi,

I am out the door to go show my dog in obedience and only have a couple of

minutes to spare right now. If you have more questions, please write back

and I'll answer them tonight.

Are you eating healthy carbs, like brown rice and other unprocessed grains?

If not, you are omitting an important food group. I know all the hype right

now is low carb but I don't agree with it. Every body needs good carbs,

not bad carbs. Do you get the brain fog even with good carbs? You might

add a liver supplement like Adva Clear made by Metagenics. You can buy it

from myhealthfirst.com, they have the best prices I have found. It is

pretty gentle but you might want to start out at 1/2 dose to make sure you

don't herx taking it. The herxing you are experiencing is a good indicator

that you really NEED to detox. It looks like you are doing well on your

diet, aside from omitting good carbs. Do try to eat as many organic

foods as possible. The pesticides and additives in commercial foods could

be enough to cause you problems.

If you want to send photos, I think you can attach them to an email and send

it to the group. Problem is those on digest or that view the posts on the

website won't be able to see them. You can post them to the website we

received the other day but I have no idea how to do that.

Kenda

> I have cut out all sugar.I am eating very naturally...I think.I only eat

> basics like vegetables and lean meat.I am doing this because everytime I

> carbs, sugar, processed foods or fruit I get intense brain fog and get so

> tired I want to cry.I have been following this for about a week.I drink

> nothing but purified water.I am not taking any supplements at all.I am

> excersizing very minimally because I am so exhausted most of the time.

>

> I would like to send in pictures of what i look like now with my implants

> because I think they look fairly distored and may help someone to realize how

> these things can change over time...but how?I am not at all good on the

> computer....LOL

>

> Thank you so much for all of your helpful advice.

>

> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote:

> What is your diet like? Do you drink lots of purified water? How about

> supplementation? Give me an idea of what you are doing now and I'll try to

> help you.

>

> Kenda

>

>> How do I detox in other ways first?

>>

>> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote:It definitely is not a

>> coincidence

>> and as Kathy mentioned earlier, it is a

>> herx reaction. If the symptoms are severe, I would not do it again until

>> you have detoxed more in other ways. If you detox some first, continuing

>> with the baths later on won't be as bad. You don't want to feel terrible

>> each time you take an epsom bath. If the herx wasn't terrible, than by all

>> means take her advice and bath a couple of times a week in an epsom salt

>> bath.

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>

>>> Not sure if this is in my head or what but I tried my first bath in

>>> the stuff last night and my breasts started to hurt, arm went numb and

>>> I got a head ache.I feel really " cloudy " today.Is this normal?Should I

>>> not do it again?Was it coincidence?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>>> licensed

>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>

>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>

>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>>>

>>>

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Thanks!I am going to try to send the pics for everyone.They are blurry though.Myright breast has travelled a full 2inches higher then my left but doesn't show that well in these.Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote:

Hi,I am out the door to go show my dog in obedience and only have a couple ofminutes to spare right now. If you have more questions, please write backand I'll answer them tonight.Are you eating healthy carbs, like brown rice and other unprocessed grains?If not, you are omitting an important food group. I know all the hype rightnow is low carb but I don't agree with it. Every body needs good carbs,not bad carbs. Do you get the brain fog even with good carbs? You mightadd a liver supplement like Adva Clear made by Metagenics. You can buy itfrom myhealthfirst.com, they have the best prices I have found. It ispretty gentle but you might want to start out at 1/2 dose to make sure youdon't herx taking it. The herxing you are experiencing is a good indicatorthat you really NEED to

detox. It looks like you are doing well on yourdiet, aside from omitting good carbs. Do try to eat as many organicfoods as possible. The pesticides and additives in commercial foods couldbe enough to cause you problems.If you want to send photos, I think you can attach them to an email and sendit to the group. Problem is those on digest or that view the posts on thewebsite won't be able to see them. You can post them to the website wereceived the other day but I have no idea how to do that.Kenda> I have cut out all sugar.I am eating very naturally...I think.I only eat> basics like vegetables and lean meat.I am doing this because everytime I> carbs, sugar, processed foods or fruit I get intense brain fog and get so> tired I want to cry.I have been following this for about a week.I drink> nothing but purified water.I am not taking any supplements at all.I am>

excersizing very minimally because I am so exhausted most of the time.> > I would like to send in pictures of what i look like now with my implants> because I think they look fairly distored and may help someone to realize how> these things can change over time...but how?I am not at all good on the> computer....LOL> > Thank you so much for all of your helpful advice.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote:> What is your diet like? Do you drink lots of purified water? How about> supplementation? Give me an idea of what you are doing now and I'll try to> help you.> > Kenda> >> How do I detox in other ways first?>> >> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote:It definitely is not a>> coincidence>> and as Kathy mentioned earlier, it is a>> herx reaction. If the

symptoms are severe, I would not do it again until>> you have detoxed more in other ways. If you detox some first, continuing>> with the baths later on won't be as bad. You don't want to feel terrible>> each time you take an epsom bath. If the herx wasn't terrible, than by all>> means take her advice and bath a couple of times a week in an epsom salt>> bath.>> >> Kenda>> >> >>> Not sure if this is in my head or what but I tried my first bath in>>> the stuff last night and my breasts started to hurt, arm went numb and>>> I got a head ache.I feel really "cloudy" today.Is this normal?Should I>>> not do it again?Was it coincidence?>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

by>>> licensed>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.>>> >>> "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a>>> happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)>>> >>> See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:>>> http://.shutterfly.com/action/>>> >>>

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Kim,

I'm a little late in responding . . . I've had house

guests, etc. etc. . .

People who have diabetes, poor circulation, or open

wounds should not use Espom salt baths!

Otherwise, it does sound like a herx. I hope you're

feeling better by now. The trick to detoxing is to

find a balance between detoxing and the herxes so you

don't herx so badly you can't bring yourself to

continue detoxing. Anytime you try a new program, go

easy at first until you know what happens.

The good thing about herxes, as bad as they feel at

the time is that, when it's over, you'll feel better

than you have in some time!

The next time, use less Epsom salts, cooler water, or

stay a shorter time. If you feel yourself herxing, be

sure to drink plenty of water to flush toxins that get

stirred up out of your system.

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

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K,

Did you get your question answered? . . .

There are soooooo many detox programs! . . . I'd

suggest checking our archives for ideas. Also

www.curezone.com has a bunch too.

One method I consider a jump start is a liver detox

program. . . there are a number of those . . .Some are

fast, others slow and gentle. I won't recommend one

over another because that's a personal decision.

Just drinking a lot of pure water is one way to detox!

.. . . One product, Fungal Defense, is a good start to

a detox program. You can find it online . . .

www.appleadayandbeyond.com is one. Kathy found you can

get better prices by calling and telling them you're

in a support group that recommended them. You will

need one bottle of Fungal Defense . . . followed by

Primal Defense for months. Fungal Defense acts to kill

off negative organisms and Primal Defense builds back

the postive organisms we need to keep the negative

organisms in check. . . Start slow - one capsule the

first day, two the second, etc. . . until you're up to

eight capsules a day . . . Same with Primal Defense.

I'm recommending this on the assumption you have a

systemic fungal problem going on because most of us

who have been implanted do. You can check yourself by

spitting in a glass of water the first thing in the

morning, before putting anything in your mouth. check

it after 15 minutes. If it's clear, you pass. However,

if there's a milky blob floating, a blob sunken to the

bottom, or chunks floating, it indicates a problem.

This isn't scientific. However, it's free and it

tracks very well with how well you follow a good diet

and take antifungal supplements.

Raw, crushed, fresh garlic is one of the best

antifungals there is . . . almost free! . . . A

theraputic dose can be as much as 12 cloves a day! . .

.. Start slow and work up gradually though!

Oil of Oregano and Olive Leaf extract can help get rid

of bad stuff too . . .

Sweating, whether through exercise, hot baths, or

saunas is very beneficial. . .

Deep theraputic massage is excellent too . . .

However, don't try to do everything at once! . . .

Decide what you feel comfortable with and start with

one step at a time. We're talking about a long-term

program here. The more diligent you are, the faster

you will get better. BUT, if you get turned off of

detoxing by herxing too much, you won't accomplish

anything.

Hope this helps!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene