Re: newbie

June 13, 2004

Ken,

The reason my trainer pulled me off atkins is because I was so

malnutrtioned. My sugar levels were so low I almost passed out one

morning. Alot of it was my own fault because I was working out so

hard and my carbs were so low my body could not handle it all. He

slowly and I do mean very slowly add carbs back into my diet.

Sticking mostly with sweet potatoes and low carb bread. We did like

5 extra grams of carbs per meal per week. I also change from eating

3 times a day to six. Drinking plenty of water. I have also added in

protein shakes. I hope this helps. Please feel free to write to me

anytime. Anyone have any questions you can get me here or

tigangel72@.... I will be happy to help and it is great to

have some support for a change good luck too all.

tina

June 13, 2004

This is the kind of that the FAD/FASHIONABLE diet of atkins does to DRIVE ME

NUTS! DRIVES ME NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not about

carbs, it's about sugar. Carbs are good for you, sugar is bad (in big doses). If

you don't have enough carbs, your brain gets screwed up, and your liver gets

damaged. Over the past 11 days on this challenge (other than free day) I've

averaged about 243 grams of carbs. Guess how many grams of sugar I had on

average.... 34.5. One can of regular soda has 40g. I think I'm doing pretty good

if you ask me.

On the other side with the fats, I've had about 75 grams of fat for today (not

averaged for the past 11 days) and only 13 grams of that is saturated. Not to

shabby. Look at me, look at me.

Back to the original point, BFL helps you eat sensibly so that you can have good

amounts of carbs to give you energy throughout the day, but you won't be having

a lot of sugary crap... or something.... sorry it's 12:06am I think you can

decypher my point.

Oh by the way go to this website http://www.illwillpress.com/fatkins.html and

see a funny animation monologue on the (f)Atkins diet. Keep in mind, the squirl

doing the monologue uses foul mouthed potty language, but if you can get by the

language to understand the point of the monologue, you'll enjoy it.

See Jen, I'm giving a warning this time. Gimme a free day cookie.

Matt

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:41:21 -0600

Subject: Re: Re: newbie

Don't go back to high carbs.

Go to balanced carbs...BFL.

Everyone thinks I'm on this low carb diet, just cuz I don't have a

maple syrup IV

dripping into my left arm. Sheesh, people, give it a break. Balance.

Clean carbs get

balanced with clean protein and essential fats. Pretty simple, really.

Except on free day. :~)

Brett (up late)

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June 14, 2004

That was hilarious! Thanks for the laugh.

Andy

> Oh by the way go to this website

http://www.illwillpress.com/fatkins.html and see a funny animation

monologue on the (f)Atkins diet. Keep in mind, the squirl doing the

monologue uses foul mouthed potty language, but if you can get by the

language to understand the point of the monologue, you'll enjoy it.

>

> See Jen, I'm giving a warning this time. Gimme a free day cookie.

>

> Matt

June 15, 2004

From: Sara Altmyer

Get the word out.....BFL

is the way to go! haha Do I sound like a cheerleader??? :-)

YES! and Thank You!!!! I believe in balance, or as I like to put it,

moderation. Part of the reason I cannot commit to any " diet " or exercise

" scam " is because I'm too old to give up what I love, and too young to give

up on LIFE!!

Keep on cheering!!! I'm listening! LOL

Katrina D.

Palmdale, CA USA

June 15, 2004

> See Jen, I'm giving a warning this time. Gimme a free day cookie.

>

> Matt

Good boy Matty!!! *pats Matt on skull and hands out cookie*

Jen B. )

August 27, 2004

Weigh yourself just once per week and don't forget to take

measurements. Good for you, for starting the plan. Relax, you are

doing just fine.

Andy

> The scale is the same today so I'm a little nervous. I've been

> working hard on the eating. Some days I feel hungry others I

don't,

> but am trying hard to follow the plan. I love reading the posts

> from all of you. Send me any advice.

August 27, 2004

Hi Annette,

Welcome to the group, and to BFL! Our good buddy Brett lives in the

SLC area. He and his lovely wife Lori are both BFLers, and I betcha

could get an awesome workout if you are up for some torture. LOL

Like Andy said, don't weigh too often. The bathroom scale doesn't

know the difference between muscle and fat, so you might be losing

fat and gaining muscle and the scale won't move an inch! Take

measurements with a tape measure, and you will see more progress

there than on the scale.

Good luck and keep us posted!

Jen B.

> Hi y'all,

> My name is Annette and I just started the BFL challenge Monday. I

> am 35, live in a suburb of Salt Lake City and have 3 kids and a

stay

> at home mom. The gym I belong to decided to have a local contest

> and promote the BFL challenge. So I got the book from the library

> and decided to go all in. I made myself a file folder with 12

weeks

> or journals. I also put my before pictures on it to look at each

> day. What a shock that I've let myself go. I'm probably 25 pounds

> overweight. Well I took the book with me to the gym to do the

> weights this week. My arms were pretty sore and I do them again

> today, but my legs were super sore. I could barely sit down

> yesterday because it was hard to stand up. I hope it is working.

> The scale is the same today so I'm a little nervous. I've been

> working hard on the eating. Some days I feel hungry others I

don't,

> but am trying hard to follow the plan. I love reading the posts

> from all of you. Send me any advice.

August 28, 2004

Thanks for all the welcomes. Wow that is cool, Brett and Lori that

you live so close. I live in Herriman and go to Lady of America

Fitness. This is the end of week one and I really think the

journals have helped me. I take them all over the house with me and

to the gym. My husband is impressed with my dedication. But as the

saying goes, " If it is to be, it is up to me!!! " talk with you

later. PS. I'm up so early to garage sale with some friends. Love

it.

August 29, 2004

Hi Annette,

Don't expect overnight results. If you are following the plan correctly

you'll see results soon. It doesn't seem to come off of us as fast (only 25 lbs

overweight). That's me too. I didn't start to see any results until the end

of week 2 and it was only very slight. I just finished my fourth week and I've

lost 6 pounds. Don't forget that you are gaining muscle too. It takes a

little bit to see the fat lbs lost because you are gaining muscle pounds. Does

that make sense? Anyways welcome to the group. It is great for the info and

the support. Good luck to you in your 12 week challenge.

Cheryll

November 5, 2004

Hi, :

My boyfriend just started his first challenge (actually next Monday

might be the " official " start date due to not having had a chance to

get his measurements at the start of this week). His stats are:

6'6 "

242 (from 249 at the beginning of the week)

~23-24% bodyfat

He is looking to get down to 220 to start with, then build off that.

Too cool that you are a former adventure racer! I really want to do

that someday (cash flow issues when it comes to gear stopped me this

year). Starting to seriously think of running a marathon next year

(Andy and Kelley got me inspired on that one...)

Looking forward to hearing from you! Best of success this go-

around. :-)

-Lianne

>

> Hey all,

>

> I'm new (kind of). I did my first BFL challenge in July 2000. Met

with terrific success for

> about two years, but had to start living and working abroad in

early 2003 and it has been

> seriously down hill since then. My stats currently are:

>

> weight: 225

> bf & : 23%

>

September 13, 2009

hello rocket,

i am in a similar situation, there are days, i feel like i am 21, then the

next days i feel like shit, sometime i cant move the painful joints,

evening urination is a pain. There pain just about everywhere. Hep c robs

one

of everything. in all my sickness i am pretty grateful that i have a

listening ear, this group is the place to be.

i found out i had hep c in 2000, i tried the interferon treatment, my god

it was the worse. i been okay i think, i had 2 liver biopy, in the past.

on the 14 i see my doctor again and i am going to ask for one. I dont see

how they can tell you what stage you are in if they havent given you a

liver biopcy. Out of all this time, i really dont understand the test to ask

for. Please you guys you can help me on this. Monday i see my doctor and

i am just lost.

i might need banding, i had it done once in the past, but again i might

not its that my neck hurt like hell throat problem and acid reflux. i am

happy so far that i am only on 3 medications. reflux, meds, gabapentin(generic

nuerontin) which is begging to make me sick. and mylanta. i really scard

of throat cancer, barret diease, and stomach what ever, i hurt like hell.

again, i am so glad to be here, women go through hell but us mens do to,

we catch even more hell, we are just to shame to share it.

thanks for reading my blog, talk you to soon after the doctor visit monday

the 14, any body want to add anything to this please write. ()

September 13, 2009

Hi RocketRon,

Your name is funny because my nickname is RocketRoni. Welcome.

> Hello everyone. Just signed on here. After fighting Hep C thru Tx(s)

> starting in'92, I finally gave it up since I'm a responer -

> relapser, strictly alternative meds, exercise, & diet now. About 1

> 1/2 years ago a biopsy revealed stage 4 fibrosis with portal

> bridging or early cirrhosis. I generally feel pretty good I think

> due to my pro-active life style. Although I've recently starting to

> get some rosacea and was prescribed Finacea for it.

> I recently started seeing an alternative MD who will likely start IV

> Vit C & glutathione pushes. Right now I'm on a once a year cycle of

> ultrasound & AFP along with all the other liver profiles. Anybody

> here doing alternative treatments?

> Someone dubbed this nickname on me from another Hep C forum because

> I'll try just about anything. This particular time it was food grade

> hydrogen peroxide or frozen natcell thymus I believe.

> Nice to meet you,

> RocketRon

>

September 13, 2009

Hi , I've had 5 biopsies, the last one was Cat Scan guided, and least

painful. However, if you are seeing the doc tomorrow, why not ask for a

fibrosure. It's a non-invasive blood test which shows the same thing. Most

doctors don't think they are as reliable and they are probably right. But I did

a fibrosue last and it mirrowed the previous biopsy and a whole lot easier.

Then, if it shows high fibrosis or cirrhosis go ahead and give up a chunk of

your liver.

If he doesn't know about it educate him. I did, and now my GP regularly uses it.

Good luck!

RR

September 14, 2009

Hi Ron and welcome to the group. I also was recently diagnosed with Grade 2,

Stage 4 liver disease due to non alcoholic fatty liver disease caused by

metabolic syndrome. I am Type II Diabetic, Hyperlipidemic, HTN, coronary artery

disease with one stent and one blockage which cannot be stented and are

observing until surgery is required. I also have gastroparesis with a gastric

stimulator. I don't do alternative therapy but hey, if it works for you, sounds

good to me! Make yourself at home and ask any questions you may have. We're

much like a family here and try out best to support each other through all

stages. I personally lost my husband of 33+ years on Jan. 26 of this year as a

result of liver disease. I don't know what I would have done without the

wonderful folks in this group! Again, welcome! My prayers are with you.

Warm Hugs...........

Di

http://auntdisexperimentallife.blogspot.com/

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To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:52:51 PM

Subject: newbie

Hello everyone. Just signed on here. After fighting Hep C thru Tx(s) starting

in'92, I finally gave it up since I'm a responer - relapser, strictly

alternative meds, exercise, & diet now. About 1 1/2 years ago a biopsy revealed

stage 4 fibrosis with portal bridging or early cirrhosis. I generally feel

pretty good I think due to my pro-active life style. Although I've recently

starting to get some rosacea and was prescribed Finacea for it.

I recently started seeing an alternative MD who will likely start IV Vit C &

glutathione pushes. Right now I'm on a once a year cycle of ultrasound & AFP

along with all the other liver profiles. Anybody here doing alternative

treatments?

Someone dubbed this nickname on me from another Hep C forum because I'll try

just about anything. This particular time it was food grade hydrogen peroxide or

frozen natcell thymus I believe.

Nice to meet you,

RocketRon

September 14, 2009

welcome rocketron. my name is barby,my husband has hep. c and esld also.i am

his caregiver. we havent done any alternative things,except maybe tonic water

for cramping.if you dont mind me asking what is your AFP numbers?? anyways

welcome to the best little support group on the web, we are more of a family

here,so welcome to the fam teehee,much love barby

>

> Hello everyone. Just signed on here. After fighting Hep C thru Tx(s) starting

in'92, I finally gave it up since I'm a responer - relapser, strictly

alternative meds, exercise, & diet now. About 1 1/2 years ago a biopsy revealed

stage 4 fibrosis with portal bridging or early cirrhosis. I generally feel

pretty good I think due to my pro-active life style. Although I've recently

starting to get some rosacea and was prescribed Finacea for it.

> I recently started seeing an alternative MD who will likely start IV Vit C &

glutathione pushes. Right now I'm on a once a year cycle of ultrasound & AFP

along with all the other liver profiles. Anybody here doing alternative

treatments?

> Someone dubbed this nickname on me from another Hep C forum because I'll try

just about anything. This particular time it was food grade hydrogen peroxide or

frozen natcell thymus I believe.

> Nice to meet you,

> RocketRon

>

September 14, 2009

Hi Barby, I visit my alternative MD tomorrow. I should have the results of the

AFP and ultrasound then. Last Oct, numbers were normal.

Guess after years of understanding liver enzymes, viral load, etc, I need to get

up to speed on the AFPs.

RR

> >

> > Hello everyone. Just signed on here. After fighting Hep C thru Tx(s)

starting in'92, I finally gave it up since I'm a responer - relapser, strictly

alternative meds, exercise, & diet now. About 1 1/2 years ago a biopsy revealed

stage 4 fibrosis with portal bridging or early cirrhosis. I generally feel

pretty good I think due to my pro-active life style. Although I've recently

starting to get some rosacea and was prescribed Finacea for it.

> > I recently started seeing an alternative MD who will likely start IV Vit C &

glutathione pushes. Right now I'm on a once a year cycle of ultrasound & AFP

along with all the other liver profiles. Anybody here doing alternative

treatments?

> > Someone dubbed this nickname on me from another Hep C forum because I'll try

just about anything. This particular time it was food grade hydrogen peroxide or

frozen natcell thymus I believe.

> > Nice to meet you,

> > RocketRon

> >

>

September 14, 2009

Whoa, I just had a deja vu moment! What are the odds? Amazing. Just amazing.

Love, Bobby

long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer

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To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:32:36 PM

Subject: Re: newbie

Hi RocketRon,

Your name is funny because my nickname is RocketRoni. Welcome.

On Sep 13, 2009, at 7:52 PM, bucamanrocketmail (DOT) com wrote:

> Hello everyone. Just signed on here. After fighting Hep C thru Tx(s)

> starting in'92, I finally gave it up since I'm a responer -

> relapser, strictly alternative meds, exercise, & diet now. About 1

> 1/2 years ago a biopsy revealed stage 4 fibrosis with portal

> bridging or early cirrhosis. I generally feel pretty good I think

> due to my pro-active life style. Although I've recently starting to

> get some rosacea and was prescribed Finacea for it.

> I recently started seeing an alternative MD who will likely start IV

> Vit C & glutathione pushes. Right now I'm on a once a year cycle of

> ultrasound & AFP along with all the other liver profiles. Anybody

> here doing alternative treatments?

> Someone dubbed this nickname on me from another Hep C forum because

> I'll try just about anything. This particular time it was food grade

> hydrogen peroxide or frozen natcell thymus I believe.

> Nice to meet you,

> RocketRon

>

September 14, 2009

Welcome , Rocket Ron. My name is Bobby Aragon. I am a 46 year ol former gardener

for the city and county of Denver. I am a recovering alcoholic diagnosed with

end stage liver disease. My wife and I were the sole caretakers of my best

friend in the whole world, Ardis , who died after a long struggle with

alcoholism and end stage liver disease fom the same. Her path caused me to stop

drinking, seek help, and join AA. I am celebrating my third sobriety birthday at

midnight tonight. My long story is at this blog website.

http://onethreezeroonethree.blogspot.com/

After this whole drama played out, many of my family members gave me sugestions,

and I looked in to each and every one. I bought a book on CAM, or Complimentary

and Alternative Medicine. As of now, I am unsure how I am going to proceed , and

weather or not I am going to seek a liver transplant, or not.

Right now, the only real treatment I recieve are treatments for the symtoms I

have, which are hepatic encephalopathy, hepatopulmonary syndrome, and severe

pain from the liver and an enlarged spleen.

Nice to " meet " you. Bobby

long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer

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Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 6:52:51 PM