Re: Prednisolone and candida infection

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20 MG Pred is VERY close to the amount needed to suppress immune

response. That is equivalent of 40MG HC. And would be considered full

replacement if not a tad over full replacement. How did you get to

such a high dose and why?

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>>20 MG Pred is VERY close to the amount needed to suppress immune<<

OOOPS this should have been " 10MG Pred "

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>

> 20 MG Pred is VERY close to the amount needed to suppress immune

> response. That is equivalent of 40MG HC. And would be considered full

> replacement if not a tad over full replacement. How did you get to

> such a high dose and why?

>

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Hi

As explained I increased my dose, doubled it, around Christmastime

because I found myself in a period of extremely severe stress. The

intentionwas to do this short-term but then along came another huge

stress (I had to make a decision about whether to have my puppy put

down)and so I stayed on the higher dose. I was due an Armour increase

and usually increase for that for about a week to ten days and that was

part of the reason also.

Mo

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> >>20 MG Pred is VERY close to the amount needed to suppress immune<<

>

> OOOPS this should have been " 10MG Pred "

>

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Hi again

Yes, I realised your mistake, it is easily done.

So you think I have been suppressing my immune response with 10 mg

Pred. for the last couple of months?

Mo

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>

> >>20 MG Pred is VERY close to the amount needed to suppress

immune<<

>

> OOOPS this should have been " 10MG Pred "

>

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Hi again, again

I reread your post and noticed you said " 10 mg Pred. is VERY close to

the amount needed to suppress immune response " .

Pse could you say what is the amount needed for this to happen?

Then I can work out if it has caused the candida.

Also I am reducing the Pred. (did I say? memory is shot) and today I

am on 5 mg Pred. and 10 mg h/c. Last week 5mg Pred. and 15 mg h/c. Am

I reducing this in the right way because I feel sooooooooooo bad,

really weak. Or is this what I should expect?

If it is the Pred. causing the candida I wonder if hydrocortisone

might so the self same thing?

I would be extremely grateful for any insights re all of this as I

feel really ill and need some support badly.

Thanks in advance.

Mo

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Mo, I dont know whether the amount you were taking was enough to

cause the candida but my friend was only taking 5mg and that was too

much.

My belief was that steroids caused candida at supraphysiological

doses (which I believe is something like 60mg) which neither of were

taking so both your exps suggest otherwise.

I'm actually waiting from my pred to arrive but now obviously have

concerns about my own dysbiosis getting worse.

Hope you feel better soon.

Anne

>

> Hi

> I was very interested to see the posts re the above as I am taking

> Prednisolone and am having very nasty candida infection which I

only became aware of

> two/three weeks ago.

> I have been mulling it over in my mind, about why and how I got

this

> systemic infection. My diet has not been brilliant but certainly

not too bad. That

> is to say the odd cravings got the better of me and I would have

a spurge

> every so often but on a daily basis I was not eating bread, sugar

etc. and

> eating organic veg, organic coffee (one/two cups a day).

> What happened was a person on another list who is a naturopath did

some

> muscle testing on my behalf and informed me that I had about 60

something %

> candida whereas what is considered normal and OK is about half of

that.

> I have reservations about muscle testing and did not take this

seriously

> especially, as I say, my diet was not carb-laden or yeast-laden

(though I do

> wonder about my B vits?! which I have since stopped).

> It was only when I was in the health food store buying some Vit C

and I

> noticed some candida product and thought I would give it a try,

just in case

> there was any truth in the testing.

> WELL! I became so very ill from die-off that I was a hospital case

for about

> a week, horrific.

> So I have been on the candida diet for for a few weeks and taking

probiotics

> etc. etc. etc. and I am feeling really rough, sleeping in the day

(I thought

> this was a thing of the past), and feeling really weak.

> I did increase my Pred. arund Christmas time as I was under severe

stress

> and the stress continued so I stayed on the higher dose 10 mg plus

adrenal

> glandulars. I have been trying to get back to 5mg by using h/c

instead and then

> taking 5 mg pred. plus 10 mg h/c at present.

> I don't have the patient leaflet for the Pred. as it was passed on

to me by

> a friend but the burning question is if Pred. causes candida and,

if so, at

> what dose? I thought I would have to be taking extremely high

doses for the

> immune response to be compromised?

> What do people think.

>

> Mo

>

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

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>>could you say what is the amount needed for this to happen?<<

No one can tell you this amount. It is very individual and one of the

reasons doctors are so afraid to treat weak adrenals.

>>Also I am reducing the Pred. (did I say? memory is shot) and today I

am on 5 mg Pred. and 10 mg h/c. Last week 5mg Pred. and 15 mg h/c. Am

I reducing this in the right way because I feel sooooooooooo bad,

really weak. <<

You arwe reducing WAY too fst, no wonder you feel badly! HC has 1/4 the

strength of Pred.Better would be to go to 7.5mg Pred, NO HC for two

weeks, then 5MG pred and 5MG HC fpr two weeks, then 2.5MG Pred and 10 MG

HC. At this ppint you can go all the way to HC at a level of 20-25 MG.

Now some of us need as high as 30MG HC but at that point oyu can pretty

well plan oyu will need it for life as you most likely have a pituitary

problem.

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>

> Mo, I dont know whether the amount you were taking was enough to

> cause the candida but my friend was only taking 5mg and that was

too

> much.

>

> My belief was that steroids caused candida at supraphysiological

> doses (which I believe is something like 60mg) which neither of

were

> taking so both your exps suggest otherwise.

>

> I'm actually waiting from my pred to arrive but now obviously have

> concerns about my own dysbiosis getting worse.

Hi Anne

The piece I cut and pasted from the files seem to be saying that

Pred. can exacerbate an existing infection and it says nothing, does

it, amount amounts necessary for this to happen.

Anyone know who wrote the piece?

I was in a bad way earlier with all these symptoms and concerns and

now Ihave just had a phone call from my first love from when we were

teenagers, the love of my life, and he just phoned me from his

hospital bed where he is dying with cancer, to say goodbye, he is not

expected to last the week, if even the night.

Oh thank you God, just when I need to increase my Pred. I cannot!

Mo

[Guest guest]

>

> Mo, I dont know whether the amount you were taking was enough to

> cause the candida but my friend was only taking 5mg and that was

too

> much.

>

> My belief was that steroids caused candida at supraphysiological

> doses (which I believe is something like 60mg) which neither of

were

> taking so both your exps suggest otherwise.

>

> I'm actually waiting from my pred to arrive but now obviously have

> concerns about my own dysbiosis getting worse.

Hi Anne

The piece I cut and pasted from the files seem to be saying that

Pred. can exacerbate an existing infection and it says nothing, does

it, amount amounts necessary for this to happen.

Anyone know who wrote the piece?

I was in a bad way earlier with all these symptoms and concerns and

now Ihave just had a phone call from my first love from when we were

teenagers, the love of my life, and he just phoned me from his

hospital bed where he is dying with cancer, to say goodbye, he is not

expected to last the week, if even the night.

Oh thank you God, just when I need to increase my Pred. I cannot!

Mo

[Guest guest]

>

> >>could you say what is the amount needed for this to happen?<<

>

> No one can tell you this amount. It is very individual and one of

the

> reasons doctors are so afraid to treat weak adrenals.

>

> >>Also I am reducing the Pred. (did I say? memory is shot) and

> am on 5 mg Pred. and 10 mg h/c. Last week 5mg Pred. and 15 mg h/c.

>

> You arwe reducing WAY too fst, no wonder you feel badly! HC has 1/4

the

> strength of Pred.Better would be to go to 7.5mg Pred, NO HC for two

> weeks, then 5MG pred and 5MG HC fpr two weeks, then 2.5MG Pred and

10 MG

> HC. At this ppint you can go all the way to HC at a level of 20-25

MG.

> Now some of us need as high as 30MG HC but at that point oyu can

pretty

> well plan oyu will need it for life as you most likely have a

pituitary

> problem.

Hi

Phew! As I have just posted, I have had very bad news about the

imminent death of a very old and dear friend. What a time to be in a

mudle with my adrenal support eh?

Thanks for your helpful advice. May I ask, considering I am already

now on 5mg Pred. and 10 h/c, what you would suggest I do?

Should I go back up to 7.5 Pred? and cut down as per your suggestion?

I am obviously keen to get off the Pred. if it is the cause of the

candida but then I don't know if h/c would do the same and it is just

a question of the quantity I was taking - 10 mg Pred. - being too

much.

I of all of a muddle and don't know what to do for the best.

Also am a bit confused and frightened by your last sentence. Are you

saying I have a pituitary problem?

Thanks.

Mo

[Guest guest]

>>maybe some extra B5 or ashwagandha would help.<<

The B5 might be helpful but NO Ashwaganda! It keeps cortisol in your

system longer thus elevating the levels there constantly. She does not

need higher levels.

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Mo,

I am just learning about adrenal support, so cannot help you there; but I do want to say how sorry I am to hear of your loves phone call.

We're here for you.

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........... and now Ihave just had a phone call from my first love from when we were teenagers, the love of my life, and he just phoned me from his hospital bed where he is dying with cancer, to say goodbye, he is not expected to last the week, if even the night.Oh thank you God, just when I need to increase my Pred. I cannot!Mo

[Guest guest]

>

> Really sorry to hear the news about your old love, what a

> time to hear it. I hope you manage to achieve some stress-free time

> and peace over the next few days Mo. Given that you can't take any

> more pred, maybe some extra B5 or ashwagandha would help. Personally

> I love ashwagandha. Or rescue remedy, lots of it, love that too.

Thanks Anne, I cannot stop crying, it was such a shock, I did not even

know he was ill and he was in such pain..... I had 10 minutes to take

it in and say goodbye.

Extra B5 - I can do that, thanks for the reminder. Don't have any of

the other.

Mo

[Guest guest]

> You need to taper the pred down as your have become Dependant on

it.

> But taper slower than you are as it should not be that painful. Did

you

> have any testing done before you started taking it to determine your

> cortisol status?

Hi

yes I had an ASI done this time last year which showed severe adrenal

stress.

I took 5 mg Pred. this morning and 10 h.c with it. I took another 5 h/c

a little while ago to help me over the shock of that phone call from my

dying friend.

Mo

[Guest guest]

>

> Mo,

>

> I am just learning about adrenal support, so cannot help you there;

but I do want to say how sorry I am to hear of your loves phone call.

>

> We're here for you.

>

> best,

> Adria

Oh thank you Adria for your kindness. I am all alone here, isolated and

very upset and you have no idea how much it helps to hear your words.

Mo

[Guest guest]

>

> Mo,

>

> I am just learning about adrenal support, so cannot help you there;

but I do want to say how sorry I am to hear of your loves phone call.

>

> We're here for you.

>

> best,

> Adria

Oh thank you Adria for your kindness. I am all alone here, isolated and

very upset and you have no idea how much it helps to hear your words.

Mo

[Guest guest]

>

> Mo,

>

> I am just learning about adrenal support, so cannot help you there;

but I do want to say how sorry I am to hear of your loves phone call.

>

> We're here for you.

>

> best,

> Adria

Oh thank you Adria for your kindness. I am all alone here, isolated and

very upset and you have no idea how much it helps to hear your words.

Mo

[Guest guest]

>

> >>maybe some extra B5 or ashwagandha would help.<<

>

> The B5 might be helpful but NO Ashwaganda! It keeps cortisol in

your

> system longer thus elevating the levels there constantly. She does

not

> need higher levels.

Hi

back to ashwaganda. This has been recommended to me in a mix called

adrenoboost which also has borage and siberian ginseng.

My googling tells me that ashwaganda lowers cortisol. I wonder if

anyone knows how this fits with it staying in the system longer and

thus elevating levels.

And does the herb work only on the natural cortisol (if I am

producing any) or on the synthethic or both?

Thanks.

Mo