Re: What about other types of implants?

[Guest guest]

I don't know about studies, but judging from the people who have contacted

me over 15 years, I would say there are significant issues with all of

these other implants.

Lynda

At 08:59 AM 11/2/2005, you wrote:

>People get silicone implants for things other than breast implants.

>Are there any studies or personal experiences linking these type of

>devices to the types of issues breast implants present?

>

>When I say other devices, I mean things like pectoral implants (for

>men), calve implants, buttock implants, etc.

>

>

>

>

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you looked through our studies section in our files? We do have

references to studies that have found problems with other silicone

implanted devices, such as joint replacements, testicular implants and

others. I'll see if I can copy a few for you....it is alarming!

Patty

>

> People get silicone implants for things other than breast implants.

> Are there any studies or personal experiences linking these type of

> devices to the types of issues breast implants present?

>

> When I say other devices, I mean things like pectoral implants (for

> men), calve implants, buttock implants, etc.

>

[Guest guest]

And silicone is used as coating on many other medical devices such as heart

stents.

>

> People get silicone implants for things other than breast implants.

> Are there any studies or personal experiences linking these type of

> devices to the types of issues breast implants present?

>

> When I say other devices, I mean things like pectoral implants (for

> men), calve implants, buttock implants, etc.

>

[Guest guest]

Just a sampling of what we have there:

Bone reaction to silicone metatarsophalangeal joint-1 hemiprosthesis.

>

> Authors: Verhaar J, Vermeulen A, Bulstra S, Walenkamp G

>

> Author Address: Orthopaedic Department, University Hospital

Maastricht,The Netherlands.

>

>

> Source: Clin Orthop, ISS 245, 1989, P228-32

>

>

> Abstract:>

> The incidence of inflammatory response to silicone implants in the

first

> metatarsophalangeal joint was investigated. In 34 of 59 silicone

> arthroplasties, cysts were noticed in the proximal phalanx after a

mean

> follow-up period of 59 months. In the metatarsal head, cysts were

seen in

40

> cases. Histologic examination showed that the cysts were filled

with an

> avascular cellular stroma containing histiocytes and

multinucleated giant

> cells, opsonizing wear debris of the prosthesis. Because of this

destructive

> process, caution is advised when using silicone prostheses in

young,

active

> people.

++++++++++++++

DO SILICONE IMPLANTS INCREASE THE RISK OF SYSTEMIC LUPUS

ERYTHEMATOSUS(SLE)

> IN CHILDREN?

>

> Jerry C. os, Imundo. Columbia University College of

Physicians

> and Surgeons, New York, NY. 10032, P. Chander. New York Medical

College,

> Vahalla, NY. 10595.

>

> Silicone breast implants have been reported to increase the risk

for

> development of autoimmune disease in adults. We report the

occurrence of

> systemic lupus erythematous in two children, a 15 year old boy in

1992,

12 years after a silicone testicular prosthesis was implanted in the

scrotum

for cosmetic reasons (unilateral cryptorchidism), and a 10 year old

girl in

1981, two years after a silicone scleral sponge was implanted in

her eye

(retinal detachment).

> Both developed lupus nephritis requiring treatment with prednisone

and

> azathioprine to control their disease. 2/50 children who have had

renal

biopsies for lupus nephritis at Babies Hospital between 1977 - 1993

have had

silicone implants prior to their developing SLE.

>

> In addition, we have examined a silicone testicular implant

electively

> removed from an asymptomatic 7 year old boy and demonstrated

significant

> granular mural small vessel staining with anti-sera to IgM. mild

staining

> with anti-IgG and minimal staining with anti-IgA, C1 and C3 in

> the fibromuscular tissue around the implant. We are unaware of any

reports

> describing microvascular immune complex deposits in the

surrounding soft

> tissues. These observations, although limited, suggest development

of

lupus in children in association with silicone implants at sites

other than

the breast.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Contribution of vascular catheter material to the pathogenesis of

infection: depletion of complement by silicone elastomer in vitro.

>

> Authors: Marosok R, Washburn R, Indorf A, D, Sherertz R

>

> Author Address: Lentini Health Center, Grand Rapids, Michigan

49503, USA.

> Source: J Biomed Mater Res; VOL 30, ISS 2, 1996, P245-50

> Abstract:

>

> We previously have shown that vascular catheters made of silicone

elastomer

> carry a greater risk of subcutaneous infection with Staphylococcus

aureus

> than do polyurethane (PU), polyvinylchloride (PVC), or Teflon

catheters.

We

> further have shown that there is greater inflammation surrounding

silicone

> catheters than there is surrounding catheters made of the other

materials,

> suggesting that silicone produces a greater chemotactic gradient

than do

the

> other materials. This study used a functional complement

opsonization

assay

> and radioimmunoassays to compare the relative abilities of

silicone,

> polyurethane, and polyvinylchloride to activate complement. Serum

incubated

> in silicone catheters for 24 h had less than 30% of the opsonizing

ability

> of fresh serum while > or = 78% of the opsonizing ability remained

with

> serum incubated in PU or PVC catheters. Measurement of C3a des

Arg, C4a

des

> Arg, C5a des Arg, and SC5b-9 demonstrated that the loss of

opsonizing

> ability was due to 10-fold greater alternate pathway complement

activation

> by silicone than by PU or PVC. This finding suggests that excessive

> complement activation by silicone may explain the greater

inflammation

seen

> around silicone catheters in vivo and also might play a role in

silicone's

> creating a greater risk of infection.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Destructive lesions of the mandibular condyle following diskectomy

with temporary silicone implant.

>

> Authors:Westesson PL, sson L, Lindstrèom C, Source: Oral Surg

Oral Med Oral Pathol; VOL 63, ISS 2, 1987, P143-50

> Abstract:

>

> Dacron-reinforced silicone is widely used as disk-replacement

implant

> material in the temporomandibular joint. A retrospective

radiographic

> analysis was undertaken in a series of thirty-two patients on whom

> diskectomy had been performed. Twenty patients had received

temporary

> silicone implants, whereas twelve patients had surgery without

> disk-replacement implants. Six of the patients with implants had

destructive

> lesions of the mandibular condyles at follow-up examinations, but

no such

> lesions were seen in any of the patients who had surgery without

implants.

> Histologic analysis of material removed from one patient who had a

second

> operation showed multiple particles of foreign material surrounded

by

> focally marked inflammatory reaction with foreign body granulomas.

The

> underlying cartilage and bone showed focal resorption and bone

destruction.

> Electron microscopy combined with energy-dispersive x-ray

microanalysis

> showed that the foreign material contained silicone. It was

concluded that

> the radiographically observed destructive lesions of the mandibular

condyle

> may be a sign of a reactive synovitis induced by silicone particles

abraded

> from the silicone implant.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Giant cell myocarditis associated with silicone. An unusual case of

> biomaterials pathology discovered at autopsy using X-ray energy

> spectroscopic techniques.

>

> Authors: Kossovsky N, Cole P, Zackson DA,Author Address:

Biomaterials Bioreactivity Characterization Laboratory,

UCLA Medical Center 90024-1732.

>> Source: Am J Clin Pathol; VOL 93, ISS 1, 1990, P148-52

>

> Abstract:

>

> Silicones, used extensively in the fabrication of medical devices

because they were presumed inert and biocompatible, are now well-

recognized inducers of localized granulomatous inflammation.

Silicones less commonly are also associated with more complex

clinico-pathologic entities. In this communication, the authors

present a case of a patient on chronic hemodialysis involving tubing

probably fabricated from silicone rubber who died from a giant cell

myocarditis associated with silicone rubber. This case is presented

to expand the interpretive paradigm of human pathology and

> underscores the need for pathologists to consider medical-device

associated phenomena in the differential diagnosis of clinical

specimens

>

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Isolation and quantitation of debris particles around failed silicone

> orthopedic implants.

>

> Authors: Hirakawa K, Bauer TW, Culver JE, Wilde AH,

> Author Address: Departments of Pathology and Orthopedic Surgery,

Cleveland

> Clinic Foundation, OH 44195, USA.

>

>

> Source: J Hand Surg [Am]; VOL 21, ISS 5, 1996, P819-27

>

>

> Abstract:

>

> Silicone elastomer implants have a relatively low rate of

complications,

but

> inflammatory reactions to debris have been reported. To

characterize the

> size and number of debris particles, we isolated and quantified

the debris

> particles present in the periarticular tissues of 10 patients with

failed

> silicone wrist, elbow, or finger implants. Five rheumatoid synovia

without

> implants were used for negative controls. The number of particles

ranged

> from 0.99 to 24.8 x 10(9) per gram (dry weight) of tissue, and

nearly all

> particles were silicone, as determined by x-ray spectroscopy. The

> implantation duration ranged from 3.2 to 10.6 years, and for the

five

wrist

> implants, the number of particles correlated with duration in

vivo. The

> particles were small (mode particle diameter was 0.59 +/- 0.057

micron).

> These results suggest that billions of particles, most of which are

smaller

> than 1 micron, are present adjacent to failed silicone implants,

and may be associated with inflammation and bone resorption.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>

> Have you looked through our studies section in our files? We do

have

> references to studies that have found problems with other silicone

> implanted devices, such as joint replacements, testicular implants

and

> others. I'll see if I can copy a few for you....it is alarming!

>

> Patty

>

> --- In , " divapoet " <divapoet@y...>

wrote:

> >

> > People get silicone implants for things other than breast

implants.

> > Are there any studies or personal experiences linking these type

of

> > devices to the types of issues breast implants present?

> >

> > When I say other devices, I mean things like pectoral implants

(for

> > men), calve implants, buttock implants, etc.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

A doctor was on a TV show some years ago touting the

glories of penile implants . . . He had one himself.

Come to find out, at the end of the show, he admitted

he had multiple surgeries because of his implant . . .

However, he apparently thought he was alone in having

complications!

Rogene

[Guest guest]

When we attended the implant March on Washington, D.C.

(1994?), a man stopped a group of us to tell us that

he was with us 100%. He had testicle implants. He had

all the symptoms we had. He was disabled and in

constant pain.

I'm afraid they have men where women were 20 years

ago. Men don't want to discuss their private parts -

or what they do to enhance them.

It was rumored that Montel had a pec implant

because his didn't develop . . . As you probably know,

he now has MS.

When my daughter started working in occupational

therapy, she was working as a hand therapist. She

noted at that time that a number of the people

receiving this type of implant started developing

problems soon after. The obvious problem was the bone

disintergration adjacent to the implant. . . However,

other less obvious problems started developing too.

IMHO, one reason the medical establishment is fighting

breast implants so hard is that, once they fall, there

will be a host of other implant devices that will fall

too. The way I look at it is that, if an implant saves

a function, or a life, they are warranted.

Nevertheless, the patient must have fully informed

consent. And, their doctors should be watching for any

adverse reactions. Not denying them as they do with

breast implanted women!

Rogene

[Guest guest]

IMHO, the only 100% safe implant is going to be one

genetically engineered from stem cells. Soft materials

appear to be more dangerous than metals. Of course,

there is always a sensitivity issue that must be

considered as well.

Scientists are learning how to grow an array of body

parts from these cells. They've been using skin for

years. Burns covered with this skin looks 100%

natural. My daughter was in San Diego when a group of

Marines were treated at her facility with this skin

while it was still under study. The results were

outstanding. They take stem cells from neonatal tissue

or placental tissue, apply a few cells to a matrix

that is placed in a cassette with a constant nutrient

supply. The cells grow to form skin, then are removed

from the cassette in the OR and applied to a wound. I

don't understand how they tell stem cells what kind of

tissue they are supposed to grow . . . I guess if I

did, I'd be working in one of those labs!

I haven't been keeping up with it in recent years.

However, the last article I read said that scientists

knew how to grow all types of cells, except nerve

cells. As I see it, the problem will be integrating

one type of cell with another so the tissue will

function normally. i.e. nerve conduction, blood

supply, lymph drainage, etc. The article I read

predicted that one day they would be able to grow a

complete limb in a laboratory. They expect to be able

to replace heart valves, livers, etc.

One problem is how this type of science is viewed by

governmental agencies, and if there will be funding

for research.

Rogene

[Guest guest]

We need to give as much consideration for the " already " born as the " unborn " ,

and then

perhaps conditions can be improved.

>

> IMHO, the only 100% safe implant is going to be one

> genetically engineered from stem cells. Soft materials

> appear to be more dangerous than metals. Of course,

> there is always a sensitivity issue that must be

> considered as well.

>

> Scientists are learning how to grow an array of body

> parts from these cells. They've been using skin for

> years. Burns covered with this skin looks 100%

> natural. My daughter was in San Diego when a group of

> Marines were treated at her facility with this skin

> while it was still under study. The results were

> outstanding. They take stem cells from neonatal tissue

> or placental tissue, apply a few cells to a matrix

> that is placed in a cassette with a constant nutrient

> supply. The cells grow to form skin, then are removed

> from the cassette in the OR and applied to a wound. I

> don't understand how they tell stem cells what kind of

> tissue they are supposed to grow . . . I guess if I

> did, I'd be working in one of those labs!

>

> I haven't been keeping up with it in recent years.

> However, the last article I read said that scientists

> knew how to grow all types of cells, except nerve

> cells. As I see it, the problem will be integrating

> one type of cell with another so the tissue will

> function normally. i.e. nerve conduction, blood

> supply, lymph drainage, etc. The article I read

> predicted that one day they would be able to grow a

> complete limb in a laboratory. They expect to be able

> to replace heart valves, livers, etc.

>

> One problem is how this type of science is viewed by

> governmental agencies, and if there will be funding

> for research.

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Amen Rogene.

The denial in the medical community is mind boggling.

>

> When we attended the implant March on Washington, D.C.

> (1994?), a man stopped a group of us to tell us that

> he was with us 100%. He had testicle implants. He had

> all the symptoms we had. He was disabled and in

> constant pain.

>

> I'm afraid they have men where women were 20 years

> ago. Men don't want to discuss their private parts -

> or what they do to enhance them.

>

> It was rumored that Montel had a pec implant

> because his didn't develop . . . As you probably know,

> he now has MS.

>

> When my daughter started working in occupational

> therapy, she was working as a hand therapist. She

> noted at that time that a number of the people

> receiving this type of implant started developing

> problems soon after. The obvious problem was the bone

> disintergration adjacent to the implant. . . However,

> other less obvious problems started developing too.

>

> IMHO, one reason the medical establishment is fighting

> breast implants so hard is that, once they fall, there

> will be a host of other implant devices that will fall

> too. The way I look at it is that, if an implant saves

> a function, or a life, they are warranted.

> Nevertheless, the patient must have fully informed

> consent. And, their doctors should be watching for any

> adverse reactions. Not denying them as they do with

> breast implanted women!

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

If these companies cared, they would send out surveys to those who

have their products to see if they were experiencing any problems,

but we all know they don't care.

I actually e-mailed the Montel show hoping that there might be a

remote change that they'd want to do a segment on breast implant

related illness, however soon after I heard that he was doing a

segment on breast implants pertaining to breast cancer, and I knew

I'd never hear back.

Sis

>

> When we attended the implant March on Washington, D.C.

> (1994?), a man stopped a group of us to tell us that

> he was with us 100%. He had testicle implants. He had

> all the symptoms we had. He was disabled and in

> constant pain.

>

> I'm afraid they have men where women were 20 years

> ago. Men don't want to discuss their private parts -

> or what they do to enhance them.

>

> It was rumored that Montel had a pec implant

> because his didn't develop . . . As you probably know,

> he now has MS.

>

> When my daughter started working in occupational

> therapy, she was working as a hand therapist. She

> noted at that time that a number of the people

> receiving this type of implant started developing

> problems soon after. The obvious problem was the bone

> disintergration adjacent to the implant. . . However,

> other less obvious problems started developing too.

>

> IMHO, one reason the medical establishment is fighting

> breast implants so hard is that, once they fall, there

> will be a host of other implant devices that will fall

> too. The way I look at it is that, if an implant saves

> a function, or a life, they are warranted.

> Nevertheless, the patient must have fully informed

> consent. And, their doctors should be watching for any

> adverse reactions. Not denying them as they do with

> breast implanted women!

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

I know, Rogene, I was really bummed, but trying not to be and have

faith in God because I really, really prayed about this!

He tried in 3 separate appointments to get this file piece out. He

didn't charge me for his time, and I think he really wracked his

brain trying different ways to get it out, but just couldn't.

Ultimately, he decided that he could only fill in the gutta percha

all around it to enclose it.

I hate the thought of it there. It's not too bad, but does burn

slightly in the area. If this continues over time, I will have the

tooth pulled. I bought some surgical stainless steel earrings to

see if I am going to react to them. I have worn them since

Saturday, and so far, so good.

But I know that doesn't mean a thing in the long term. I'll

probably just eventually have the darn thing pulled after spending

all this money on it. That really ticks me off.

Patty

>

> Patty,

>

> Unless there is an excellent reason why they can't

> remove the stainless steel - other than doctors

> laziness! . . . I'd want it out too.

>

> There have been some papers done on how bits and

> pieces of foreign materials do cause problems later on

> for many. One can't be sure at the outset, but if you

> happen to be one of the unlucky ones, it doesn't

> matter how many got lucky!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

SIs,

Just the opposite - the maufacturers have fought registries on every front.

They don't

WANT to know. It might affect profits.

> >

> > When we attended the implant March on Washington, D.C.

> > (1994?), a man stopped a group of us to tell us that

> > he was with us 100%. He had testicle implants. He had

> > all the symptoms we had. He was disabled and in

> > constant pain.

> >

> > I'm afraid they have men where women were 20 years

> > ago. Men don't want to discuss their private parts -

> > or what they do to enhance them.

> >

> > It was rumored that Montel had a pec implant

> > because his didn't develop . . . As you probably know,

> > he now has MS.

> >

> > When my daughter started working in occupational

> > therapy, she was working as a hand therapist. She

> > noted at that time that a number of the people

> > receiving this type of implant started developing

> > problems soon after. The obvious problem was the bone

> > disintergration adjacent to the implant. . . However,

> > other less obvious problems started developing too.

> >

> > IMHO, one reason the medical establishment is fighting

> > breast implants so hard is that, once they fall, there

> > will be a host of other implant devices that will fall

> > too. The way I look at it is that, if an implant saves

> > a function, or a life, they are warranted.

> > Nevertheless, the patient must have fully informed

> > consent. And, their doctors should be watching for any

> > adverse reactions. Not denying them as they do with

> > breast implanted women!

> >

> > Rogene

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Patty,

What did he use to enclose the piece of stainless

steel?

Rogene

--- glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...> wrote:

> I know, Rogene, I was really bummed, but trying not

> to be and have

> faith in God because I really, really prayed about

> this!

>

> He tried in 3 separate appointments to get this file

> piece out. He

> didn't charge me for his time, and I think he really

> wracked his

> brain trying different ways to get it out, but just

> couldn't.

> Ultimately, he decided that he could only fill in

> the gutta percha

> all around it to enclose it.

>

> I hate the thought of it there. It's not too bad,

> but does burn

> slightly in the area. If this continues over time,

> I will have the

> tooth pulled. I bought some surgical stainless

> steel earrings to

> see if I am going to react to them. I have worn

> them since

> Saturday, and so far, so good.

>

> But I know that doesn't mean a thing in the long

> term. I'll

> probably just eventually have the darn thing pulled

> after spending

> all this money on it. That really ticks me off.

> Patty

>

>

> >

> > Patty,

> >

> > Unless there is an excellent reason why they can't

> > remove the stainless steel - other than doctors

> > laziness! . . . I'd want it out too.

> >

> > There have been some papers done on how bits and

> > pieces of foreign materials do cause problems

> later on

> > for many. One can't be sure at the outset, but if

> you

> > happen to be one of the unlucky ones, it doesn't

> > matter how many got lucky!

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

He basically filled in all around it with the gutta percha fillings

that are placed in all root canals. It is a gum-like substance that

is packed into the canal after the roots are removed.

Patty

> > >

> > > Patty,

> > >

> > > Unless there is an excellent reason why they can't

> > > remove the stainless steel - other than doctors

> > > laziness! . . . I'd want it out too.

> > >

> > > There have been some papers done on how bits and

> > > pieces of foreign materials do cause problems

> > later on

> > > for many. One can't be sure at the outset, but if

> > you

> > > happen to be one of the unlucky ones, it doesn't

> > > matter how many got lucky!

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Rogene

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>