Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 I think Helena’s comment was tongue and cheek. That said, it just reminded me that this is a process, not a destination. There is no getting there as far as I know (and many more much wiser than me have arrived at the same conclusion). I just put that out there because the race to get there can be so central, and this is just an illusion that my mind (and most minds) create. And, as most races go, there will be others who seem to be getting further along relative to me and you. And with that, we can feel inadequate, marginal, and bla bla bla ... Thanks mind What I’ve found helpful is noticing that this is a process — sometimes we slip, but the skillful part is to notice when we have done so and then recommit to whatever it is we wish to be about in that moment. The skill is not to do this ACT stuff 100% 24/7. Hell, I can’t do that and I’ve been doing this work since the early 90s. The skillful part is to notice when our minds aren’t serving us well and where our values are, and then what we wish to do. Peace all on a Sunday evening ... -john So there you have it, keep working at ACT, mindfulness, or whatever therapy helps, because you can set yourself free and live a very fulfilling, vital, and very happy life. Let me know when you get there, Kavy. Helena From: ACT_for_the_Public [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of Kavy Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 5:23 PM To: ACT_for_the_Public Subject: The Plastic Brain I have just reading the Plastic Brain by Sharon Begley and it is amazing. It turns out that genes play hardly any role at all in the development of depression, anxiety, OBD, etc. This research has been done for years but with the rise of SSRI's, bio-psychiatry and the drug companies have stage managed the most successful marketing campaign in history, so much so, that most people still believe that their illnesses are largely genetic are unable to believe otherwise. There was a time when bio-psychiatry got so out of hand that some psychiatrists put it about that some people were born unlovable because they did not have enough happy chemicals. Miserable babies get abused more because their parents find them unlovable and these children go to school and have few friends because of their nuerochemistry said the bio psychiatrists. They grow into unhappy adults and eventually get into therapy, but it isn't the childhood abuse that makes their life a miserable, it's their genes said these psychiatrists. The therapist is flogging a dead horse when he tries to help them. At one time I was suffering from unbearable chronic depression and I was frightened out of my tiny mind by these theories that were presented as fact. Perhaps you can see why I hate psychiatry so much, especially as their medicines are hardly any more effective than placebos, tend to stop working, and are some of the most dangerous medicines you can take. Mellow Rats Some rats don't take care of their offspring very well, don't lick, stroke or care much for them. These pups turn into nervous anxious adults who then don't look after their offspring which turn out neurotic as well. Happy relaxed rats nurture happy relaxed pups and so on. Researchers then swapped the newborn pups of neurotic mothers and gave them to relaxed happy mothers and took the pups of happy mothers and gave them to neurotic mothers. And guess what? The neurotic mothers still produced neurotic pups and happy mothers still produced happy rats. Why is this? Well, if the environment is a dangerous one then the rats need to adjust to this. Jumpy frightened rats survive longer in a hostile environment. This learning process changes the structure of the brain and is a process known as neuroplasticity. Humans have a very long learning period and even at 18 years old we are still not fully mature. This gives us incredible adaption to our environment and so we can live almost anywhere in the world, high or low, hot or cold, in a violent society or a peaceful one. I especially like the research of scientist J. son who studies neuropasticity. You might get tense uptight babies, he say's, and other babies are born happy and content, but no one can predict how they will be at 7 years old and then again at 18. Tense babies can become very relaxed well adjusted individuals and happy babies can end up neurotic. It's all down to our environment and its effect on nueroplasticity he say's. The good news is we can change our brain structure at any age becuase nueroplasticity never stops. Researchers are so exited by the latest findings that they believe they will even find ways of rewiring schizophrenia and tinnitus out of the brains of sufferers. So there you have it, keep working at ACT, mindfulness, or whatever therapy helps, because you can set yourself free and live a very fulfilling, vital, and very happy life. Kavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 hello well, i've just reading about and watching work by dr. Yapko, a clinical psychologist who specializes in treating depression. he's advocating such topics as: - depression drugs are not as effective as we think they are. - depression is more a learned skill, typically passed on by parenting environment, social and family environment. - getting out of depression is more about learning new skills, in cognitive thinking, more social connections or re-establishing social network. In otherwords, people get depressed due to a variety of things, but it is more commonly due to their social environment and cognitive behavioural skills, and the way out of depression is to re-learn new skills. I found his work very interesting and plan to look up his books further, but here are some links for further interest: http://www.yapko.com/simpo2/custom/yapko_com/content/home/home.aspx there series of 9 youtube videos on his seminar, worth a look for if you're interested in depression: Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there you have it, keep working at ACT, mindfulness, or whatever therapy > > helps, because you can set yourself free and live a very fulfilling, vital, > > and very happy life. > > Let me know when you get there, Kavy. > > > > Helena > > > > > > From: ACT_for_the_Public > > [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of Kavy > > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 5:23 PM > > To: ACT_for_the_Public > > Subject: The Plastic Brain > > > > > > > > I have just reading the Plastic Brain by Sharon Begley and it is amazing. It > > turns out that genes play hardly any role at all in the development of > > depression, anxiety, OBD, etc. This research has been done for years but with > > the rise of SSRI's, bio-psychiatry and the drug companies have stage managed > > the most successful marketing campaign in history, so much so, that most > > people still believe that their illnesses are largely genetic are unable to > > believe otherwise. > > There was a time when bio-psychiatry got so out of hand that some > > psychiatrists put it about that some people were born unlovable because they > > did not have enough happy chemicals. Miserable babies get abused more because > > their parents find them unlovable and these children go to school and have few > > friends because of their nuerochemistry said the bio psychiatrists. They grow > > into unhappy adults and eventually get into therapy, but it isn't the > > childhood abuse that makes their life a miserable, it's their genes said these > > psychiatrists. The therapist is flogging a dead horse when he tries to help > > them. > > At one time I was suffering from unbearable chronic depression and I was > > frightened out of my tiny mind by these theories that were presented as fact. > > Perhaps you can see why I hate psychiatry so much, especially as their > > medicines are hardly any more effective than placebos, tend to stop working, > > and are some of the most dangerous medicines you can take. > > Mellow Rats > > Some rats don't take care of their offspring very well, don't lick, stroke or > > care much for them. These pups turn into nervous anxious adults who then don't > > look after their offspring which turn out neurotic as well. Happy relaxed > > rats nurture happy relaxed pups and so on. Researchers then swapped the > > newborn pups of neurotic mothers and gave them to relaxed happy mothers and > > took the pups of happy mothers and gave them to neurotic mothers. And guess > > what? The neurotic mothers still produced neurotic pups and happy mothers > > still produced happy rats. Why is this? Well, if the environment is a > > dangerous one then the rats need to adjust to this. Jumpy frightened rats > > survive longer in a hostile environment. This learning process changes the > > structure of the brain and is a process known as neuroplasticity. Humans have > > a very long learning period and even at 18 years old we are still not fully > > mature. This gives us incredible adaption to our environment and so we can > > live almost anywhere in the world, high or low, hot or cold, in a violent > > society or a peaceful one. > > I especially like the research of scientist J. son who studies > > neuropasticity. You might get tense uptight babies, he say's, and other babies > > are born happy and content, but no one can predict how they will be at 7 years > > old and then again at 18. Tense babies can become very relaxed well adjusted > > individuals and happy babies can end up neurotic. It's all down to our > > environment and its effect on nueroplasticity he say's. > > The good news is we can change our brain structure at any age becuase > > nueroplasticity never stops. Researchers are so exited by the latest findings > > that they believe they will even find ways of rewiring schizophrenia and > > tinnitus out of the brains of sufferers. > > So there you have it, keep working at ACT, mindfulness, or whatever therapy > > helps, because you can set yourself free and live a very fulfilling, vital, > > and very happy life. > > Kavy > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 and also here is his blog on psychology today: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-social-side-depression but i would recommend watching the youtube videos first. tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there you have it, keep working at ACT, mindfulness, or whatever therapy > > > helps, because you can set yourself free and live a very fulfilling, vital, > > > and very happy life. > > > Let me know when you get there, Kavy. > > > > > > Helena > > > > > > > > > From: ACT_for_the_Public > > > [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of Kavy > > > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 5:23 PM > > > To: ACT_for_the_Public > > > Subject: The Plastic Brain > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just reading the Plastic Brain by Sharon Begley and it is amazing. It > > > turns out that genes play hardly any role at all in the development of > > > depression, anxiety, OBD, etc. This research has been done for years but with > > > the rise of SSRI's, bio-psychiatry and the drug companies have stage managed > > > the most successful marketing campaign in history, so much so, that most > > > people still believe that their illnesses are largely genetic are unable to > > > believe otherwise. > > > There was a time when bio-psychiatry got so out of hand that some > > > psychiatrists put it about that some people were born unlovable because they > > > did not have enough happy chemicals. Miserable babies get abused more because > > > their parents find them unlovable and these children go to school and have few > > > friends because of their nuerochemistry said the bio psychiatrists. They grow > > > into unhappy adults and eventually get into therapy, but it isn't the > > > childhood abuse that makes their life a miserable, it's their genes said these > > > psychiatrists. The therapist is flogging a dead horse when he tries to help > > > them. > > > At one time I was suffering from unbearable chronic depression and I was > > > frightened out of my tiny mind by these theories that were presented as fact. > > > Perhaps you can see why I hate psychiatry so much, especially as their > > > medicines are hardly any more effective than placebos, tend to stop working, > > > and are some of the most dangerous medicines you can take. > > > Mellow Rats > > > Some rats don't take care of their offspring very well, don't lick, stroke or > > > care much for them. These pups turn into nervous anxious adults who then don't > > > look after their offspring which turn out neurotic as well. Happy relaxed > > > rats nurture happy relaxed pups and so on. Researchers then swapped the > > > newborn pups of neurotic mothers and gave them to relaxed happy mothers and > > > took the pups of happy mothers and gave them to neurotic mothers. And guess > > > what? The neurotic mothers still produced neurotic pups and happy mothers > > > still produced happy rats. Why is this? Well, if the environment is a > > > dangerous one then the rats need to adjust to this. Jumpy frightened rats > > > survive longer in a hostile environment. This learning process changes the > > > structure of the brain and is a process known as neuroplasticity. Humans have > > > a very long learning period and even at 18 years old we are still not fully > > > mature. This gives us incredible adaption to our environment and so we can > > > live almost anywhere in the world, high or low, hot or cold, in a violent > > > society or a peaceful one. > > > I especially like the research of scientist J. son who studies > > > neuropasticity. You might get tense uptight babies, he say's, and other babies > > > are born happy and content, but no one can predict how they will be at 7 years > > > old and then again at 18. Tense babies can become very relaxed well adjusted > > > individuals and happy babies can end up neurotic. It's all down to our > > > environment and its effect on nueroplasticity he say's. > > > The good news is we can change our brain structure at any age becuase > > > nueroplasticity never stops. Researchers are so exited by the latest findings > > > that they believe they will even find ways of rewiring schizophrenia and > > > tinnitus out of the brains of sufferers. > > > So there you have it, keep working at ACT, mindfulness, or whatever therapy > > > helps, because you can set yourself free and live a very fulfilling, vital, > > > and very happy life. > > > Kavy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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