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Nicola from what I read in several books, folks that have problems sleep

ing and waking feeling shaky and weak need to take SOME adrenal meds at

bedtime. I think I would try 1 pellet first then if that isn't enough

you can go to two. I am SO unlucky I have a landlord that lives next

door that lets his dog out between 3:30AM and 4 AM when he is home... SO

I have built in can't sleep in in the mornings! YUCK... Anyway you can

treat either the thyroid or the adrenals independently of each other but

without enough thyroid in your system it is doubtful your adrenals will

ever recover, and you may develop lifetime dependence on Cortisol. And

treating thyroid with low cortisol will be a LONG slow process fraught

with palps and possible panic attacks and extreme weakness and low

energy. It is doubtful you would even be able to correct your low

thyroid situation with low cortisol in the way. So yes the two are

intricately intertwined, and though it is fine to treat the adrenals

first, it is also necessary for healing for you to treat thyroid soon

after and before stopping adrenal meds.

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Thanks Val. I will give it a go tonight and take some licorice as well

to try and keep the cortisol from breaking down. I have had about 2

weeks of waking at 5.30am, and I am exhausted, and could really use the

extra sleep. It feels counter intuitive though, dosing at night. I

thought the body's requirements for cortisol tapered right off after

the morning. It is becoming clearer that Isocort is not strong enough

for me, but it is all I have for now. It is also very difficult

anticipating my body's needs and stress dosing when appropriate. Don't

think I've got it right yet. I have given up on trying to stick to 8

pellets a day - my needs are clearly greater than that.

Thanks again.

Nicola

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> Nicola from what I read in several books, folks that have problems

sleep

> ing and waking feeling shaky and weak need to take SOME adrenal meds

at

> bedtime. I think I would try 1 pellet first then if that isn't enough

> you can go to two. >

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> Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

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Thanks Val. I will give it a go tonight and take some licorice as well

to try and keep the cortisol from breaking down. I have had about 2

weeks of waking at 5.30am, and I am exhausted, and could really use the

extra sleep. It feels counter intuitive though, dosing at night. I

thought the body's requirements for cortisol tapered right off after

the morning. It is becoming clearer that Isocort is not strong enough

for me, but it is all I have for now. It is also very difficult

anticipating my body's needs and stress dosing when appropriate. Don't

think I've got it right yet. I have given up on trying to stick to 8

pellets a day - my needs are clearly greater than that.

Thanks again.

Nicola

>

> Nicola from what I read in several books, folks that have problems

sleep

> ing and waking feeling shaky and weak need to take SOME adrenal meds

at

> bedtime. I think I would try 1 pellet first then if that isn't enough

> you can go to two. >

--

> Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

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I've been taking a dose at bedtime for 2 years, otherwise I too

couldn't get going until about 6 hours after the morning dose. I have

found from suggesting a low dose to others, that 4 in 5 report they

benefit and 1 in 5 say that the small dose keeps them up.

When I started bedtime dose, I took like this

Medrol

bedtime 3 mg

wake 2 mg

4 pm 1 mg

worked pretty good, but I have changed the dose schedule quite a bit

since then. Now I take 2 mg Medrol and 1/8 mg of dexamethsaone

(replaces 3/4mg Medrol) at bedtime. I don't take anything at 4pm.

Chris

>

> I take the bulk of my isocort in the morning, leaving just 2 to take at

> about 3pm, as I am afraid of taking it too late and lying awake all

> night. Every morning without fail I wake up at 5.30am with a twitching

> in the adrenal area (which I have learned is an adrenal symptom, along

> with muscle twitches) and can't get back to sleep. I start the day

> tired, shakey, cold, irritable, and it takes me all morning to recover,

> and sometimes I don't. It's like I'm starting the day with a big

> cortisol debt already. Would it make any difference if I took two

> isocort last thing at night - would this help me sleep longer and give

> me less of an isocort debt in the morning? Or would it just keep me

> awake all night?

>

> Another question - can I treat my adrenal insufficiency without

> treating the thyroid? Or are the two interlinked - can't successfully

> treat the one without the other?

>

> Questions, questions. Thanks for any help.

>

> Nicola

>

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Nicola,

No expert here, but I have just started taking some of my Isocort at night and it actually helps me to sleep better. I tried 2, too much, deceided that 1 pellet is sufficient. I started doing this a week or so back, when my neck was aching soooo bad I could not sleep and just couldn't take the pain anylonger. I went ahead and took some Isocort and after 13 minutes the pain was gone and less than 10 minutes later I was fast asleep, and I slept for 5 STRAIGHT hours. I NEVER sleep for 5 straight hours.

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I take the bulk of my isocort in the morning, leaving just 2 to take at

about 3pm, as I am afraid of taking it too late and lying awake all

night. Every morning without fail I wake up at 5.30am with a twitching

in the adrenal area (which I have learned is an adrenal symptom, along

with muscle twitches) and can't get back to sleep. I start the day

tired, shakey, cold, irritable, and it takes me all morning to recover,

and sometimes I don't. It's like I'm starting the day with a big

cortisol debt already. Would it make any difference if I took two

isocort last thing at night - would this help me sleep longer and give

me less of an isocort debt in the morning? Or would it just keep me

awake all night?

Another question - can I treat my adrenal insufficiency without

treating the thyroid? Or are the two interlinked - can't successfully

treat the one without the other?

Questions, questions. Thanks for any help.

Nicola

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