Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Silicone in implants may be chemically inert (meaning it does not react with certain things), but it is most definitely not biologically inert. It does react when in the vicinity of human tissues. Saying it is inert is misleading. Any biology student can tell you that anything like this is NOT biologically inert, and, after all, we are biological beings. Also, silicone in implants is not just silicone, it is a chemical soup that includes up to 38 ingredients, including some heavy metals (toxic to us) as catalysts. I am sending you a link that takes you to the list of chemicals that have been found in silicone breast implants. It is on my website. Lynda http://www.siliconesurvivors.net/sstoxin.html At 10:09 PM 10/19/2005, you wrote: >Hi ladies, >I wanted to find info on whether or not silicone gel (in implants) is >'inert', and what that >actually means. I know that the accepted wisdom is that it is inert. I >found one article >from a university from 1993 that stated while silicone was inert, they >nonetheless found >inflammatory response to silicone gel. > >I am specifically looking for academic articles on this. Any idea of >where I might find any? >I want to show my doc. > >Thanks!! > >Moll > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Molly, Silicone is not inert . .. That lie has been repeated over and over until people think it's true. But it's not! If you'll do a web search for " reaction to Silicone " and other related words, you'll see all kinds of information that belies this belief! If you search enough, I'm sure you'll find academic papers too! Also, I posted a list of other chemicals found in breast implants earlier today (Thanks Lea) . . . Some of these chemicals are toxic in very small amounts. Especially as the shell degrades and releases it's chemicals. One of the worst (which wasn't on the list) is platinum. As far as I know platinum is still used as a catalyst to thicken silicone. In it's ionized state, it's a very potent neurotoxin! It's found at high levels in children born to implanted women. Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Thanks Lynda, That is pretty much what I thought...but, I hope to find some authority for this... a citation that would help explain this to an MD. I think I found one article, but would sure like to find a more exhaustive explanation. I suspect the 'soup' mixture also makes it less clear than 'just silicone'. It seems that DOW spent so much $$ and time convincing doctors that silicone was inert, therefore their gel was inert, that the med communicty no longer questions it. The first thing out of one of my doc;s mouth was " But silicone is inert " . > >Hi ladies, > >I wanted to find info on whether or not silicone gel (in implants) is > >'inert', and what that > >actually means. I know that the accepted wisdom is that it is inert. I > >found one article > >from a university from 1993 that stated while silicone was inert, they > >nonetheless found > >inflammatory response to silicone gel. > > > >I am specifically looking for academic articles on this. Any idea of > >where I might find any? > >I want to show my doc. > > > >Thanks!! > > > >Moll > > > > > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed > >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 I think I need to broaden myt search terms... Thanks Rogene. > > Molly, > > Silicone is not inert . .. That lie has been repeated > over and over until people think it's true. But it's > not! > > If you'll do a web search for " reaction to Silicone " > and other related words, you'll see all kinds of > information that belies this belief! If you search > enough, I'm sure you'll find academic papers too! > > Also, I posted a list of other chemicals found in > breast implants earlier today (Thanks Lea) . . . Some > of these chemicals are toxic in very small amounts. > Especially as the shell degrades and releases it's > chemicals. One of the worst (which wasn't on the list) > is platinum. As far as I know platinum is still used > as a catalyst to thicken silicone. In it's ionized > state, it's a very potent neurotoxin! It's found at > high levels in children born to implanted women. > > Hugs, > > Rogene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Now I was told that silicone is not as much the problem in the implants ....as far as the symptoms go....as the other toxins and chemicals used to make the implants. I am not saying silicone is inert. I know that everyday foods and such have silicone (the natural form) in them, so I would think it is the other toxins and chemicals that cause the problems. Anytime you change the make up of a compound, can be very bad. ....also I am no doc and only know what I have researched through the doctors. > > Molly, > > Silicone is not inert . .. That lie has been repeated > over and over until people think it's true. But it's > not! > > If you'll do a web search for " reaction to Silicone " > and other related words, you'll see all kinds of > information that belies this belief! If you search > enough, I'm sure you'll find academic papers too! > > Also, I posted a list of other chemicals found in > breast implants earlier today (Thanks Lea) . . . Some > of these chemicals are toxic in very small amounts. > Especially as the shell degrades and releases it's > chemicals. One of the worst (which wasn't on the list) > is platinum. As far as I know platinum is still used > as a catalyst to thicken silicone. In it's ionized > state, it's a very potent neurotoxin! It's found at > high levels in children born to implanted women. > > Hugs, > > Rogene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Probably true, same in the shell of the saline implants. It may well be the other toxins. Lynda At 04:32 AM 10/20/2005, you wrote: >Now I was told that silicone is not as much the problem in the >implants ....as far as the symptoms go....as the other toxins and >chemicals used to make the implants. I am not saying silicone is >inert. I know that everyday foods and such have silicone (the >natural form) in them, so I would think it is the other toxins and >chemicals that cause the problems. Anytime you change the make up of >a compound, can be very bad. > >....also I am no doc and only know what I have researched >through the doctors. > > > > > > > > Molly, > > > > Silicone is not inert . .. That lie has been repeated > > over and over until people think it's true. But it's > > not! > > > > If you'll do a web search for " reaction to Silicone " > > and other related words, you'll see all kinds of > > information that belies this belief! If you search > > enough, I'm sure you'll find academic papers too! > > > > Also, I posted a list of other chemicals found in > > breast implants earlier today (Thanks Lea) . . . Some > > of these chemicals are toxic in very small amounts. > > Especially as the shell degrades and releases it's > > chemicals. One of the worst (which wasn't on the list) > > is platinum. As far as I know platinum is still used > > as a catalyst to thicken silicone. In it's ionized > > state, it's a very potent neurotoxin! It's found at > > high levels in children born to implanted women. > > > > Hugs, > > > > Rogene > > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 And in Saline Implants: it's the bacteria, mold, fungus that settles in the implant through the faulty vavles that cause us to develop symptoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Cheryl, Saline implants have a silicone shell . . . with all it's degradation problems. Why plastic surgeons emphasize saline and don't mention silicone, I don't know! Rogene --- Cheryl <sunbum256@...> wrote: > And in Saline Implants: it's the bacteria, mold, > fungus that settles in > the implant through the faulty vavles that cause us > to develop > symptoms. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 I think that depends on who you talk to. The doctor who is doing my explants believes that what causes symptoms is the components of the implant itself, or chemicals used in the manufacturing of them - such as platinum. I spoke to another one of the explant doctors and she believes it's the mold. In my case, I was sick so quickly that I believe that I'm reacting to the chemicals - I was sick within a week, so that's one of the factors I used in deciding which doctor to use. > > And in Saline Implants: it's the bacteria, mold, fungus that settles in > the implant through the faulty vavles that cause us to develop > symptoms. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 It's true that silicone is added to a lot of things . .. . That doesn't mean it's good there. It helps the food processors make the food last longer, keeps it from caking, etc. Lana, on SiliconeKids, found that she and her sons went from being desperately ill to healthy by eliminating all silica sources from their diet. Something of note . . . one of her children experienced a class IV poisoning incident after taking medication mixed with silicone dioxide. IMHO, it's one thing for silicone to go through the digestive system where it's eliminated in a relatively short period of time. It's another to put in inside the body where it degrades and is subject to the ravages of body fluids. Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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