Re: Got my labs back...

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Hey Lana, I think your estradiol looks great. I would not worry too much about the progesterone number if I were you. If I remember right you are in your 30s and your E should be that high or even higher around day 10/12. As long as you are having normal periods, you are doing great. Remember a lot of us have had low P readings even while taking lots of P! Yes it does look like you are short on free T3. Maybe will respond to this after the weekend. You may not be converting well from T4. And I am wondering if the Spiro is going to block some of your E? Will be interesting to keep track of that. It will probably take at least 3 months before you will see a change in your hair. At least that is why the gyno told me son's 25 yr old girlfriend. keep up the good work and keep a watch on the thyroid. Perhaps when the thyroid gets up to speed, your hair will improve more! Madeleen Lana wrote: I haven't posted for a while since I just started my WIP OOE 2 mos. ago. My results are:Total Test.=15 range= 2-45% of Free Test=.37 range= .05-2.3Test., Free=.6 range= 0.1-6.4DHEA Sulfate=80 range= 25-220Progestrone=5.1 Lut.= 3.3-26.00T-4,

Free=1.3 range= 0.8-1.8Estadiol=242 range= 11-211T3, Free=283 range= 230-420*All my numbers stayed about the same with the exception of the estradoil which went from 71(then) to 242 (now).My doctor said that the E# was a bit high with relationship to the P at the phase I was in...if I got that correct. Blood was drawn on day 10 of cycle. She did not put me on P this time since I have nrmal periods.My hair is still falling out (not as much but not really getting any new hairs except for those little micro vellus ones) so we are in agreement on me starting Spiro 100 mgs. and then in 3 mos. going to add Avodart. She says as far as thyroid, I am probably a little hypo

but wants to sit on it for 3 more months and let things settle down hair loss wise because if we add a bunch of meds at once we won't know what is working or not. Any input, suggestions, thoughts...???Lana

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Well, the Free T3 and Free T4 just plain suck, as does, in my opinion, the P.

Hair falling out wouldn't surprise me at all.

For the sake of arguement, my Free T3 and Free T4 are "double" the high normal range and I do feel quite awesome. And I am still of the opinion, based on my experiences, that the thyroid needs to be regulated before the sex hormones, not vice versa...

That's my 2 cents...

Sam

(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Re: Got my labs back...

Hey Lana,

I think your estradiol looks great. I would not worry too much about the progesterone number if I were you. If I remember right you are in your 30s and your E should be that high or even higher around day 10/12.

As long as you are having normal periods, you are doing great. Remember a lot of us have had low P readings even while taking lots of P!

Yes it does look like you are short on free T3. Maybe will respond to this after the weekend. You may not be converting well from T4.

And I am wondering if the Spiro is going to block some of your E? Will be interesting to keep track of that.

It will probably take at least 3 months before you will see a change in your hair. At least that is why the gyno told me son's 25 yr old girlfriend.

keep up the good work and keep a watch on the thyroid. Perhaps when the thyroid gets up to speed, your hair will improve more!

Madeleen Lana wrote:

I haven't posted for a while since I just started my WIP OOE 2 mos. ago. My results are:Total Test.=15 range= 2-45% of Free Test=.37 range= .05-2.3Test., Free=.6 range= 0.1-6.4DHEA Sulfate=80 range= 25-220Progestrone=5.1 Lut.= 3.3-26.00T-4, Free=1.3 range= 0.8-1.8Estadiol=242 range= 11-211T3, Free=283 range= 230-420*All my numbers stayed about the same with the exception of the estradoil which went from 71(then) to 242 (now).My doctor said that the E# was a bit high with relationship to the P at the phase I was in...if I got that correct. Blood was drawn on day 10 of cycle. She did not put me on P this time since I have nrmal periods.My hair is still falling out (not as much but not really getting any new hairs except for those little micro vellus ones) so we are in agreement on me starting Spiro 100 mgs. and then in 3 mos. going to add Avodart. She says as far as thyroid, I am probably a little hypo but wants to sit on it for 3 more months and let things settle down hair loss wise because if we add a bunch of meds at once we won't know what is working or not. Any input, suggestions, thoughts...???Lana

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My results are:Total Test.=15 range= 2-45% of Free Test=.37 range= .05-2.3Test., Free=.6 range= 0.1-6.4DHEA Sulfate=80 range= 25-220Progestrone=5.1 Lut.= 3.3-26.00T-4, Free=1.3 range= 0.8-1.8Estadiol=242 range= 11-211T3, Free=283 range= 230-420*All my numbers stayed about the same with the exception of the estradoil which went from 71(then) to 242 (now).

Just a thought here, BUT your Testo looks low, why do you want to take the spiro?

I bet when your thyroid gets happy, ( your T3 is low ), you will see hair loss stop,

also your E is way better, BUT for that time of the cycle E could even be higher )))

How are your periods, and how are you sleeping, feeling???? )))

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I forgot to mention that my eyebrows have thinned out at least 50% and I have lost 1/2 of my lower eyelashes and a little less than half of upper lashes. My eyebrows "burn" often. Weird, huh?Lana

Lana, that sounds like thyroid......(E and testo, effect that too, but your your levels aren't that bad), so I'd think addressing your thyroid would help ALOT )))) , PS...thyroids boosts to your libido too, haa haa haa ))

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For the past 3 days my sleep has been bad between the hours of 2 and 4 a.m. and when I first started the E I have been sleeping like I was in a coma. Before the E and for the past 5 yrs I was not sleeping and exhausted from lack of sleep. I am thinking maybe my period this month is fouling up my sleep as I did sleep a bit better last night. And, the past 4-6 days I have been dragging not any energy but migraines will do that, too.

Lana, seems to me you said alot right there, you may need more E during your

period )))

Saw Palmetto.....160mgs. will also block DHTs conversion, why not try that first. I think

nne uses that too???? nne, any in put?? I've been toying with the idea too. I am

low Testo, but get chin hairs went I add even a tad more than a few days in a row. I think I

would try that BEFORE the other stuff. BUT I still think that your thyroid may be the big

problem for you, as well as needing a dash more E. )) You may need to get a thyroid Dr.,

I had to, my gyno is great but is afraid of thyroid )) . HUGS XXO

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Hi and thanks for the reponse! My March period was moderate,

this months period, going on now) is really heavy and I have had a

slight migraine for 6 days-ugh!

For the past 3 days my sleep has been bad between the hours of 2 and

4 a.m. and when I first started the E I have been sleeping like I was

in a coma. Before the E and for the past 5 yrs I was not sleeping

and exhausted from lack of sleep. I am thinking maybe my period this

month is fouling up my sleep as I did sleep a bit better last night.

And, the past 4-6 days I have been dragging not any energy but

migraines will do that, too.

As for the Spiro, my Dr. thought it might be a good idea to block any

effects-DHT converted by T as I may be hyper sensitive to DHT and my

BP was up 12 pts. so she thought it wouldn't hurt. I took my first

pill today but I honestly don't know if I should take the Avodart

instead?

We have not adressed the hypothyroid business as of yet, although she

did say that the tmt could cause the hairloss to worsen. I think she

is afraid to treat me for it because I've had such devastating hair

loss and I think she is afraid to cause more. *She has been so

compassionate in this area. *My hairs are so miniturized at this

point...

My big question is: If Test. makes hair grow why would we suppress

it? Spriro, my understanding, doesn't block the T but the

enzyme " Alpha-5 reductase " that makes DHT. Ahhhhhh. it is all making

me crazy!

Anymore input...I will take it all in as I need guidance here-lots of

it.

Lana

>

>

> In a message dated 4/14/2006 10:37:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> p3c7rp6@... writes:

>

> My results are:

>

> Total Test.=15 range= 2-45

> % of Free Test=.37 range= .05-2.3

> Test., Free=.6 range= 0.1-6.4

> DHEA Sulfate=80 range= 25-220

> Progestrone=5.1 Lut.= 3.3-26.00

> T-4, Free=1.3 range= 0.8-1.8

> Estadiol=242 range= 11-211

> T3, Free=283 range= 230-420

>

> *All my numbers stayed about the same with the exception of the

> estradoil which went from 71(then) to 242 (now).

>

>

>

> Just a thought here, BUT your Testo looks low, why do you want to

take the

> spiro?

> I bet when your thyroid gets happy, ( your T3 is low ), you

will see hair

> loss stop,

> also your E is way better, BUT for that time of the cycle E

could even be

> higher )))

> How are your periods, and how are you sleeping,

feeling???? )))

>

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I forgot to mention that my eyebrows have thinned out at least 50%

and I have lost 1/2 of my lower eyelashes and a little less than half

of upper lashes. My eyebrows " burn " often. Weird, huh?

Lana

>

>

> In a message dated 4/14/2006 10:37:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> p3c7rp6@... writes:

>

> My results are:

>

> Total Test.=15 range= 2-45

> % of Free Test=.37 range= .05-2.3

> Test., Free=.6 range= 0.1-6.4

> DHEA Sulfate=80 range= 25-220

> Progestrone=5.1 Lut.= 3.3-26.00

> T-4, Free=1.3 range= 0.8-1.8

> Estadiol=242 range= 11-211

> T3, Free=283 range= 230-420

>

> *All my numbers stayed about the same with the exception of the

> estradoil which went from 71(then) to 242 (now).

>

>

>

> Just a thought here, BUT your Testo looks low, why do you want to

take the

> spiro?

> I bet when your thyroid gets happy, ( your T3 is low ), you

will see hair

> loss stop,

> also your E is way better, BUT for that time of the cycle E

could even be

> higher )))

> How are your periods, and how are you sleeping,

feeling???? )))

>

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Lana, i think it's a balance of all the hormones that makes hair grow..you need some T but not too much and not too little...we have 2 enzymes, aromatase and 5-AR...aromatase converts T into E, while 5-AR converts T into DHT...some people have better aromatase ability...and some are more sensitive to 5-AR..these sensitivities is what's genetic... Btw, what spiro does, it behaves like an androgen very similar to aldostenedione...it binds to aldostenedione receptors in hair follicles. T and aldostenedione are similar in structure..so 2 things happen: 1) your body realizes that there's plenty of androgens available and starts producing less T...2) T gets confused by spiro's presence in follicle receptors and doesn't bind to those... i think your T is small, and i am not too sure if you really need spiro...i think you'd be better off with something that prevents 5-AR action like saw palmetto that you're

already on or proscar/propecia. -Lana wrote: Hi and thanks for the reponse! My March period was moderate, this months period, going on now) is really heavy and I have had a slight migraine for 6 days-ugh!For the past 3 days my sleep has been bad between the hours of 2 and 4 a.m. and when I first started the E I have been sleeping like I was in a coma. Before the E and for the past 5 yrs I was not sleeping and exhausted from lack of sleep. I am thinking maybe my period this month is fouling up my sleep as I did sleep a bit better last night. And, the past 4-6 days I have been dragging not any energy but migraines will do that, too. As for the Spiro, my Dr. thought it might be a good idea to block any

effects-DHT converted by T as I may be hyper sensitive to DHT and my BP was up 12 pts. so she thought it wouldn't hurt. I took my first pill today but I honestly don't know if I should take the Avodart instead?We have not adressed the hypothyroid business as of yet, although she did say that the tmt could cause the hairloss to worsen. I think she is afraid to treat me for it because I've had such devastating hair loss and I think she is afraid to cause more. *She has been so compassionate in this area. *My hairs are so miniturized at this point...My big question is: If Test. makes hair grow why would we suppress it? Spriro, my understanding, doesn't block the T but the enzyme "Alpha-5 reductase" that makes DHT. Ahhhhhh. it is all making me crazy! Anymore input...I will take it all in as I need guidance here-lots of it. Lana>> > > > My results are:> > Total Test.=15 range= 2-45> % of Free Test=.37 range= .05-2.3> Test., Free=.6 range= 0.1-6.4> DHEA Sulfate=80 range= 25-220> Progestrone=5.1 Lut.= 3.3-26.00> T-4, Free=1.3 range= 0.8-1.8> Estadiol=242 range= 11-211> T3, Free=283 range= 230-420> > *All my numbers stayed about the same with the exception of the > estradoil which went from 71(then) to 242 (now).> > >

> Just a thought here, BUT your Testo looks low, why do you want to take the > spiro? > I bet when your thyroid gets happy, ( your T3 is low ), you will see hair > loss stop, > also your E is way better, BUT for that time of the cycle E could even be > higher ))) > How are your periods, and how are you sleeping, feeling???? ))) >

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i know someone else going through TE who's lost a lot of eyebrows...any ideas on what could have possibly caused this?! -J.Lana wrote: I forgot to mention that my eyebrows have thinned out at least 50% and I have lost 1/2 of my lower eyelashes and a little less than half of upper lashes. My eyebrows "burn" often. Weird, huh?Lana>> > > > My results are:> > Total Test.=15 range= 2-45> % of Free Test=.37 range= .05-2.3> Test.,

Free=.6 range= 0.1-6.4> DHEA Sulfate=80 range= 25-220> Progestrone=5.1 Lut.= 3.3-26.00> T-4, Free=1.3 range= 0.8-1.8> Estadiol=242 range= 11-211> T3, Free=283 range= 230-420> > *All my numbers stayed about the same with the exception of the > estradoil which went from 71(then) to 242 (now).> > > > Just a thought here, BUT your Testo looks low, why do you want to take the > spiro? > I bet when your thyroid gets happy, ( your T3 is low ), you will see hair > loss stop, > also your E is way better, BUT for that time of the cycle E could even be > higher ))) > How are your

periods, and how are you sleeping, feeling???? ))) >

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Lana wrote: I forgot to mention that my eyebrows have thinned out at least 50% and I have lost 1/2 of my lower eyelashes and a little less than half of upper lashes. My eyebrows "burn" often. Weird, huh? those are classic signs of low thyroid. MY eyebrows are way thinned out- have bushy hairs near nose - not very pretty. But what do you mean your eyebrows "burn"???? Madeleen Lana>> > > > My results are:> > Total Test.=15 range= 2-45> % of Free Test=.37 range= .05-2.3> Test., Free=.6 range= 0.1-6.4> DHEA Sulfate=80 range= 25-220> Progestrone=5.1 Lut.= 3.3-26.00> T-4, Free=1.3 range= 0.8-1.8> Estadiol=242 range= 11-211> T3, Free=283 range= 230-420> > *All my numbers stayed about the same with the exception of the > estradoil which went from 71(then) to 242 (now).> > > > Just a thought here,

BUT your Testo looks low, why do you want to take the > spiro? > I bet when your thyroid gets happy, ( your T3 is low ), you will see hair > loss stop, > also your E is way better, BUT for that time of the cycle E could even be > higher ))) > How are your periods, and how are you sleeping, feeling???? ))) >

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It is the same type of burn and itching that those of us with hair

loss get...Dr. Redmond's book calls it Hormonal Hair Loss and claims

that the lack of hormones causes the burn and androgens causes the

itch.

Just where the eyebrow hairs are it itches off and on and has a

burning sensation, then hairs fall. My lashes do this too. My nose

hairs are less-that's ok,now they don't stick oout of my nostrils and

bye-bye to the nosehair clippers <G>

Lana

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> > In a message dated 4/14/2006 10:37:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > p3c7rp6@ writes:

> >

> > My results are:

> >

> > Total Test.=15 range= 2-45

> > % of Free Test=.37 range= .05-2.3

> > Test., Free=.6 range= 0.1-6.4

> > DHEA Sulfate=80 range= 25-220

> > Progestrone=5.1 Lut.= 3.3-26.00

> > T-4, Free=1.3 range= 0.8-1.8

> > Estadiol=242 range= 11-211

> > T3, Free=283 range= 230-420

> >

> > *All my numbers stayed about the same with the exception of the

> > estradoil which went from 71(then) to 242 (now).

> >

> >

> >

> > Just a thought here, BUT your Testo looks low, why do you want

to

> take the

> > spiro?

> > I bet when your thyroid gets happy, ( your T3 is low ), you

> will see hair

> > loss stop,

> > also your E is way better, BUT for that time of the cycle E

> could even be

> > higher )))

> > How are your periods, and how are you sleeping,

> feeling???? )))

> >

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I have been on SP since last Oct. and I take tons of it! 1725mg to

be exact. I take 2.25 mg of OOE and continue on during my period. I

think that maybe this recent bottle of E from WIP might be weaker

than previous bottle. Prev. bottle I had really sore breasts this

time barely knew they were there! BTW: I use 3 drops @ 6:30 am, 4

drops @ 1:30 pm, and 3 drops @ bedtime. Oh, and I have some

visible 'stache hairs not too bad but they are there!

I saw a Dr. about my thy. and he said it was fine...I say not! My

Dr. who treats my hormones will treat the thy. but I think she is

sort of afraid to-if I assert myself, I always get what I want and a

the doses I want. She is so pro-active for my care. I think she

just doesn't want to be responsible if I go bald.

Hugs back, and thanks-input more if needed!

Lana

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> In a message dated 4/18/2006 10:45:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> p3c7rp6@... writes:

>

> For the past 3 days my sleep has been bad between the hours of 2

and

> 4 a.m. and when I first started the E I have been sleeping like I

was

> in a coma. Before the E and for the past 5 yrs I was not sleeping

> and exhausted from lack of sleep. I am thinking maybe my period

this

> month is fouling up my sleep as I did sleep a bit better last

night.

> And, the past 4-6 days I have been dragging not any energy but

> migraines will do that, too.

>

>

>

> Lana, seems to me you said alot right there, you may need more E

during your

> period )))

> Saw Palmetto.....160mgs. will also block DHTs conversion, why

not try that

> first. I think

> nne uses that too???? nne, any in put?? I've been

toying with

> the idea too. I am

> low Testo, but get chin hairs went I add even a tad more than a

few days

> in a row. I think I

> would try that BEFORE the other stuff. BUT I still think that

your thyroid

> may be the big

> problem for you, as well as needing a dash more E. )) You may

need to

> get a thyroid Dr.,

> I had to, my gyno is great but is afraid of thyroid )) . HUGS

XXO

>