Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Hi Kenda, Could you please tell me what you did to get rid of your fibro symptoms? Was it supplements, medication, other treatments or just time? This is the worst of my remaining symptoms since my explant 7 months ago and I would do just about anything to get rid of it. Thanks, Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on with my bodyand ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many times butstill enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie!Kenda> I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything> without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many times.> Hugs, kathy> > > > > > >>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone>> suffering >>>> with >>>>>>> fibro pain.>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several>>> years. >>>>>> Just >>>>>>> last week>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free>> of >>>> for >>>>> so >>>>>>> long.>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been> high >>> in >>>>> the >>>>>>> past so I>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks> ago >> to >>>>> bring >>>>>>> it down.>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which>>>>> triggered >>>>>>> menopausal>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had>> not >>>>>> previous>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week>> were >>> as >>>> a >>>>>>> result of too>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as>>> well. >>>>> So, >>>>>>> for anyone>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems,>> you >>>>> might >>>>>>> want to go>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be>> low >>>>>>> estrogen causing>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week>> was >>>>> just >>>>>> as >>>>>>> bad and>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and>> already >>>>> feel >>>>>> a >>>>>>> bit>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look> forward >> to >>>> in >>>>>>> menopause. He>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems>> fibro >>>> pain >>>>>>> isn't always>>>>>>>> fibro! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kenda>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one> thing>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress,> illness ->>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby>>>>>>>>>> stirs. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that> harms>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do> it's>>>>>>>>>> work! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take> care>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rogene>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place> of >>>> advice >>>>>>> given by licensed>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or>>>>> licensed >>>>>>> health care>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Do not let either the medical authorities or the>>>>> politicians >>>>>>> mislead you.>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own>> decisions >>>>> about >>>>>>> how to live a>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world." ->> Linus >>>>>> ing, >>>>>>> two-time>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 , I know you wrote to Kenda . . . but I thought I'd add some of the things I've done. Getting my diet in order . . . (I've covered all that recently), deep theraputic massage, infrared sauna, supplements - Garden of Life Fungal Defense, Primal Defense, Living Calicium, Living Multi, Cod Liver Oil and Green formula, moderate exercise, Epsom salt baths, lots of water AND a medication to help me get deep sleep. I'd suggest easing into a program, one thing at a time. Make it a gradual life style change so you can stay with it. You really can get rid of it! . . . It takes time, patience and discipline. . . but it's doable and well worth it! Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 I am not Kendra but I can tell you what worked for me. First it was getting the implants out....then I used some epsom salt baths and esp aftere working out ...for me eating a super healthy diet high in veggies, fruits and whole grains and then working out....that is it...that is what cured me. Oh lots of hot tub soaks too. I found that if I worked out every day...even though at first it hurt, I just kept at it....went slow and worked up to 2 hours a day. That has been almost 6 years now and I would say almost all my pain was gone within 2 years of explant ....maybe less but for sure gone by 2 years. The only time I ever get achy now is if I work out extra hard or do something different that I have no done in awhile. I am at the healthiest weight I have ever been 115 pounds.....and feel great. i can't believe I once had fibro and mixed connective tissue disease. It is amazing. I guess if I had to say why I would guess it was the implants being gone but i feel the working out really helped me too. Kendra did you work out allot too? In , G <karengup@y...> wrote: > > Hi Kenda, > Could you please tell me what you did to get rid of your fibro symptoms? Was it supplements, medication, other treatments or just time? This is the worst of my remaining symptoms since my explant 7 months ago and I would do just about anything to get rid of it. > Thanks, > > > Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on with my body > and ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many times but > still enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie! > > Kenda > > > > I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything > > without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many times. > > Hugs, kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone > >> suffering > >>>> with > >>>>>>> fibro pain. > >>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several > >>> years. > >>>>>> Just > >>>>>>> last week > >>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free > >> of > >>>> for > >>>>> so > >>>>>>> long. > >>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been > > high > >>> in > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> past so I > >>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks > > ago > >> to > >>>>> bring > >>>>>>> it down. > >>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which > >>>>> triggered > >>>>>>> menopausal > >>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had > >> not > >>>>>> previous > >>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week > >> were > >>> as > >>>> a > >>>>>>> result of too > >>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as > >>> well. > >>>>> So, > >>>>>>> for anyone > >>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, > >> you > >>>>> might > >>>>>>> want to go > >>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be > >> low > >>>>>>> estrogen causing > >>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week > >> was > >>>>> just > >>>>>> as > >>>>>>> bad and > >>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and > >> already > >>>>> feel > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>> bit > >>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look > > forward > >> to > >>>> in > >>>>>>> menopause. He > >>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems > >> fibro > >>>> pain > >>>>>>> isn't always > >>>>>>>> fibro! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Kenda > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a > >>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a > >>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to > >>>>>>>>>> be given a name. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for > >>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one > > thing > >>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, > > illness - > >>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by > >>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught > >>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people. > >>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the > >>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM > >>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared, > >>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription > >>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've > >>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . . > >>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby > >>>>>>>>>> stirs. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the > >>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW > >>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body > >>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that > > harms > >>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It > >>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do > > it's > >>>>>>>>>> work! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and > >>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take > > care > >>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Rogene > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place > > of > >>>> advice > >>>>>>> given by licensed > >>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or > >>>>> licensed > >>>>>>> health care > >>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the > >>>>> politicians > >>>>>>> mislead you. > >>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >> decisions > >>>>> about > >>>>>>> how to live a > >>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - > >> Linus > >>>>>> ing, > >>>>>>> two-time > >>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Hi , First off, I never had implants. I don't believe you were here in March when I first came to the list asking for help in deciding if they were safe. Of course you can imagine the group's reaction, quickly talking me out of it. The strange thing is that I have had a lot of the same health issues implanted women have, without ever having been implanted. Because of that, I was asked to stick around because I had to fight my way back to health -- and then almost gave it up getting implants. Stupid!! In answer to your question, yes, I did start working out when I first started trying to regain my health. It was very hard because I had been a couch potato for several years when I was so sick and was extremely weak. I started with water aerobics but it gave me constant vaginal problems. I switched over to lifting weights with a trainer. I chose training with a trainer because I have a herniated L5/S1 disc that any little wrong movement would put me into a several week cycle of pain and many trips to the chiro, not to mention pain killers. It took a couple of years to stabilize my spine through gym work. I also added yoga and cycling. My back no longer bothers me, six years later, and I am the healthiest and strongest I have ever been. I can't speak enough for the power of exercise. I feel plain lousy if I skip the gym so I don't. Kenda > I am not Kendra but I can tell you what worked for me. First it was > getting the implants out....then I used some epsom salt baths and esp > aftere working out ...for me eating a super healthy diet high in > veggies, fruits and whole grains and then working out....that is > it...that is what cured me. Oh lots of hot tub soaks too. I found that > if I worked out every day...even though at first it hurt, I just kept > at it....went slow and worked up to 2 hours a day. That has been > almost 6 years now and I would say almost all my pain was gone within > 2 years of explant ....maybe less but for sure gone by 2 years. The > only time I ever get achy now is if I work out extra hard or do > something different that I have no done in awhile. I am at the > healthiest weight I have ever been 115 pounds.....and feel great. i > can't believe I once had fibro and mixed connective tissue disease. It > is amazing. I guess if I had to say why I would guess it was the > implants being gone but i feel the working out really helped me too. > Kendra did you work out allot too? > > > > > > > In , G <karengup@y...> wrote: >> >> Hi Kenda, >> Could you please tell me what you did to get rid of your fibro > symptoms? Was it supplements, medication, other treatments or just > time? This is the worst of my remaining symptoms since my explant 7 > months ago and I would do just about anything to get rid of it. >> Thanks, >> >> >> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: >> I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on with my > body >> and ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many > times but >> still enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie! >> >> Kenda >> >> >>> I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything >>> without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many times. >>> Hugs, kathy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone >>>> suffering >>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> fibro pain. >>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several >>>>> years. >>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>> last week >>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free >>>> of >>>>>> for >>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>> long. >>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been >>> high >>>>> in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> past so I >>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks >>> ago >>>> to >>>>>>> bring >>>>>>>>> it down. >>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which >>>>>>> triggered >>>>>>>>> menopausal >>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had >>>> not >>>>>>>> previous >>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week >>>> were >>>>> as >>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> result of too >>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as >>>>> well. >>>>>>> So, >>>>>>>>> for anyone >>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, >>>> you >>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>> want to go >>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be >>>> low >>>>>>>>> estrogen causing >>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week >>>> was >>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> bad and >>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and >>>> already >>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> bit >>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look >>> forward >>>> to >>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> menopause. He >>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems >>>> fibro >>>>>> pain >>>>>>>>> isn't always >>>>>>>>>> fibro! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kenda >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a >>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a >>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to >>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for >>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one >>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, >>> illness - >>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by >>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught >>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people. >>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM >>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared, >>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription >>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've >>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . . >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby >>>>>>>>>>>> stirs. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the >>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW >>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body >>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that >>> harms >>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It >>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do >>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>> work! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and >>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take >>> care >>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place >>> of >>>>>> advice >>>>>>>>> given by licensed >>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or >>>>>>> licensed >>>>>>>>> health care >>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the >>>>>>> politicians >>>>>>>>> mislead you. >>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own >>>> decisions >>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> how to live a >>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - >>>> Linus >>>>>>>> ing, >>>>>>>>> two-time >>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Kendra that is awesome. I too just can't say enough about exercise. I always tell people that it saved me. I too was a big time couch potatoe. I started working out back when I was about 33 years old. I was a smoker, and never did much healthy....but I got into the best shape of my life quit smoking etc.....I was very healthy. Then I got into running and I loved it! I would run up to 30 miles a week. That was around the time I lost all my body fat and my breasts started to sag terribly after all the weightloss, so I ended up thinking that my reward for getting in such great shape would be boobs! Within 3 months I was very ill. So much for my reward. But I never did stop exercising with my illness....I always made sure I did something no matter how bad I felt. I also told myself the day the illness became too much for me to even work out was the day I got rid of the implants. Well that day came and I did it, got them out. Best thing I ever did. I continued with my training slowly. In fact I almost became a certified trainer myself but, well a great career op came up and that was too good to turn down so I went with this job I have now instead. I love my work but I still think about getting certified. I love working out and esp love to help others get in shape. It is fun and inspiring to take someone and help them find the body and the fitness inside them. It is inside all of us if we just learn to bring it out, I believe anyhow. Now I just work out with my hubby at home and we love it. I will never stop working out. I know what it can do for you when your sick too. I mean one should not over do it but there are so many benefits of working out. It really is important. Now at 41 years old I have a better body than I ever did in my 20's and I have to say I can wear clothes that I never thought I would be able to ... it is sure fun! But of course it is more about how you feel than how you look. I am glad you didn't get implants, they really can ruin your life and take so much away from you. They never did bring me any happiness. I mean sure I looked great in a tank top, but there is so much more to life than big boobs! take care In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > > Hi , > > First off, I never had implants. I don't believe you were here in March > when I first came to the list asking for help in deciding if they were safe. > Of course you can imagine the group's reaction, quickly talking me out of > it. The strange thing is that I have had a lot of the same health issues > implanted women have, without ever having been implanted. Because of that, > I was asked to stick around because I had to fight my way back to health -- > and then almost gave it up getting implants. Stupid!! > > In answer to your question, yes, I did start working out when I first > started trying to regain my health. It was very hard because I had been a > couch potato for several years when I was so sick and was extremely weak. I > started with water aerobics but it gave me constant vaginal problems. I > switched over to lifting weights with a trainer. I chose training with a > trainer because I have a herniated L5/S1 disc that any little wrong movement > would put me into a several week cycle of pain and many trips to the chiro, > not to mention pain killers. It took a couple of years to stabilize my > spine through gym work. I also added yoga and cycling. My back no longer > bothers me, six years later, and I am the healthiest and strongest I have > ever been. I can't speak enough for the power of exercise. I feel plain > lousy if I skip the gym so I don't. > > Kenda > > > > I am not Kendra but I can tell you what worked for me. First it was > > getting the implants out....then I used some epsom salt baths and esp > > aftere working out ...for me eating a super healthy diet high in > > veggies, fruits and whole grains and then working out....that is > > it...that is what cured me. Oh lots of hot tub soaks too. I found that > > if I worked out every day...even though at first it hurt, I just kept > > at it....went slow and worked up to 2 hours a day. That has been > > almost 6 years now and I would say almost all my pain was gone within > > 2 years of explant ....maybe less but for sure gone by 2 years. The > > only time I ever get achy now is if I work out extra hard or do > > something different that I have no done in awhile. I am at the > > healthiest weight I have ever been 115 pounds.....and feel great. i > > can't believe I once had fibro and mixed connective tissue disease. It > > is amazing. I guess if I had to say why I would guess it was the > > implants being gone but i feel the working out really helped me too. > > Kendra did you work out allot too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , G <karengup@y...> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Kenda, > >> Could you please tell me what you did to get rid of your fibro > > symptoms? Was it supplements, medication, other treatments or just > > time? This is the worst of my remaining symptoms since my explant 7 > > months ago and I would do just about anything to get rid of it. > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > >> I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on with my > > body > >> and ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many > > times but > >> still enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie! > >> > >> Kenda > >> > >> > >>> I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything > >>> without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many times. > >>> Hugs, kathy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone > >>>> suffering > >>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> fibro pain. > >>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several > >>>>> years. > >>>>>>>> Just > >>>>>>>>> last week > >>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free > >>>> of > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>> so > >>>>>>>>> long. > >>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been > >>> high > >>>>> in > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> past so I > >>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks > >>> ago > >>>> to > >>>>>>> bring > >>>>>>>>> it down. > >>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which > >>>>>>> triggered > >>>>>>>>> menopausal > >>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had > >>>> not > >>>>>>>> previous > >>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week > >>>> were > >>>>> as > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>> result of too > >>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as > >>>>> well. > >>>>>>> So, > >>>>>>>>> for anyone > >>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, > >>>> you > >>>>>>> might > >>>>>>>>> want to go > >>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be > >>>> low > >>>>>>>>> estrogen causing > >>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week > >>>> was > >>>>>>> just > >>>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>>> bad and > >>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and > >>>> already > >>>>>>> feel > >>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>> bit > >>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look > >>> forward > >>>> to > >>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>> menopause. He > >>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems > >>>> fibro > >>>>>> pain > >>>>>>>>> isn't always > >>>>>>>>>> fibro! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Kenda > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a > >>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a > >>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to > >>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for > >>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one > >>> thing > >>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, > >>> illness - > >>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by > >>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught > >>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people. > >>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the > >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM > >>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared, > >>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription > >>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've > >>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . . > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby > >>>>>>>>>>>> stirs. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the > >>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW > >>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body > >>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that > >>> harms > >>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It > >>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do > >>> it's > >>>>>>>>>>>> work! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and > >>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take > >>> care > >>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place > >>> of > >>>>>> advice > >>>>>>>>> given by licensed > >>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or > >>>>>>> licensed > >>>>>>>>> health care > >>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the > >>>>>>> politicians > >>>>>>>>> mislead you. > >>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >>>> decisions > >>>>>>> about > >>>>>>>>> how to live a > >>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - > >>>> Linus > >>>>>>>> ing, > >>>>>>>>> two-time > >>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Hi , I love exercise as well, it makes me feel better, I am stronger and definitely healthier. I am doing things at 45 that I couldn't do in my 20's or 30's. My balance is great and my core strength is amazing, especially in light of the nasty vertical c-sections I had. My OB said I would never regain my strong abs after two c-sections but I did. The best part is that my emotions are very even. Exercise and yoga have brought me a calmness and better ability to deal with life. Of course I look better but that's only a small benefit compared to all of the other things exercise has to offer. One thing I would like to add to those who are just starting an exercise program is that it took me two years at the gym to start really enjoying it. I was committed to going but HATED it. I think once you start feeling changes from exercise, it brings different feelings about it and you start to enjoy it. Since you contemplated becoming a certified trainer, you know that diet is more important than exercise in the overall scheme of things. This is something my trainer has a hard time getting his clients to accept. People are willing to come into the gym but are unwilling to stop drinking the pop or eating fast food. They will never see the health benefits they are looking for without a diet change. Kenda -- with no " r " > Kendra that is awesome. I too just can't say enough about exercise. I > always tell people that it saved me. I too was a big time couch > potatoe. I started working out back when I was about 33 years old. I > was a smoker, and never did much healthy....but I got into the best > shape of my life quit smoking etc.....I was very healthy. Then I got > into running and I loved it! I would run up to 30 miles a week. That > was around the time I lost all my body fat and my breasts started to > sag terribly after all the weightloss, so I ended up thinking that my > reward for getting in such great shape would be boobs! Within 3 months > I was very ill. So much for my reward. But I never did stop exercising > with my illness....I always made sure I did something no matter how > bad I felt. I also told myself the day the illness became too much for > me to even work out was the day I got rid of the implants. Well that > day came and I did it, got them out. Best thing I ever did. I > continued with my training slowly. In fact I almost became a > certified trainer myself but, well a great career op came up and that > was too good to turn down so I went with this job I have now instead. > I love my work but I still think about getting certified. I love > working out and esp love to help others get in shape. It is fun and > inspiring to take someone and help them find the body and the fitness > inside them. It is inside all of us if we just learn to bring it out, > I believe anyhow. Now I just work out with my hubby at home and we > love it. I will never stop working out. I know what it can do for you > when your sick too. I mean one should not over do it but there are so > many benefits of working out. It really is important. > Now at 41 years old I have a better body than I ever did in my 20's > and I have to say I can wear clothes that I never thought I would be > able to ... it is sure fun! But of course it is more about how you > feel than how you look. > I am glad you didn't get implants, they really can ruin your life and > take so much away from you. They never did bring me any happiness. I > mean sure I looked great in a tank top, but there is so much more to > life than big boobs! > take care > > > > > > > In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: >> >> Hi , >> >> First off, I never had implants. I don't believe you were here in March >> when I first came to the list asking for help in deciding if they > were safe. >> Of course you can imagine the group's reaction, quickly talking me > out of >> it. The strange thing is that I have had a lot of the same health > issues >> implanted women have, without ever having been implanted. Because > of that, >> I was asked to stick around because I had to fight my way back to > health -- >> and then almost gave it up getting implants. Stupid!! >> >> In answer to your question, yes, I did start working out when I first >> started trying to regain my health. It was very hard because I had > been a >> couch potato for several years when I was so sick and was extremely > weak. I >> started with water aerobics but it gave me constant vaginal problems. I >> switched over to lifting weights with a trainer. I chose training with a >> trainer because I have a herniated L5/S1 disc that any little wrong > movement >> would put me into a several week cycle of pain and many trips to the > chiro, >> not to mention pain killers. It took a couple of years to stabilize my >> spine through gym work. I also added yoga and cycling. My back no > longer >> bothers me, six years later, and I am the healthiest and strongest I > have >> ever been. I can't speak enough for the power of exercise. I > feel plain >> lousy if I skip the gym so I don't. >> >> Kenda >> >> >>> I am not Kendra but I can tell you what worked for me. First it was >>> getting the implants out....then I used some epsom salt baths and esp >>> aftere working out ...for me eating a super healthy diet high in >>> veggies, fruits and whole grains and then working out....that is >>> it...that is what cured me. Oh lots of hot tub soaks too. I found that >>> if I worked out every day...even though at first it hurt, I just kept >>> at it....went slow and worked up to 2 hours a day. That has been >>> almost 6 years now and I would say almost all my pain was gone within >>> 2 years of explant ....maybe less but for sure gone by 2 years. The >>> only time I ever get achy now is if I work out extra hard or do >>> something different that I have no done in awhile. I am at the >>> healthiest weight I have ever been 115 pounds.....and feel great. i >>> can't believe I once had fibro and mixed connective tissue disease. It >>> is amazing. I guess if I had to say why I would guess it was the >>> implants being gone but i feel the working out really helped me too. >>> Kendra did you work out allot too? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In , G <karengup@y...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Kenda, >>>> Could you please tell me what you did to get rid of your fibro >>> symptoms? Was it supplements, medication, other treatments or just >>> time? This is the worst of my remaining symptoms since my explant 7 >>> months ago and I would do just about anything to get rid of it. >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: >>>> I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on with my >>> body >>>> and ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many >>> times but >>>> still enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie! >>>> >>>> Kenda >>>> >>>> >>>>> I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything >>>>> without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many times. >>>>> Hugs, kathy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone >>>>>> suffering >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> fibro pain. >>>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several >>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>>>> last week >>>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free >>>>>> of >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>> long. >>>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been >>>>> high >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> past so I >>>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks >>>>> ago >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> bring >>>>>>>>>>> it down. >>>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which >>>>>>>>> triggered >>>>>>>>>>> menopausal >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had >>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> previous >>>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week >>>>>> were >>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> result of too >>>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>> So, >>>>>>>>>>> for anyone >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, >>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>> want to go >>>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be >>>>>> low >>>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing >>>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week >>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> bad and >>>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and >>>>>> already >>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> bit >>>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look >>>>> forward >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> menopause. He >>>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems >>>>>> fibro >>>>>>>> pain >>>>>>>>>>> isn't always >>>>>>>>>>>> fibro! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenda >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a >>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a >>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to >>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for >>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one >>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, >>>>> illness - >>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by >>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught >>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people. >>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM >>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared, >>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription >>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've >>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . . >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby >>>>>>>>>>>> stirs. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the >>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW >>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body >>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that >>>>> harms >>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It >>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do >>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>> work! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and >>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take >>>>> care >>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place >>>>> of >>>>>>>> advice >>>>>>>>>>> given by licensed >>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or >>>>>>>>> licensed >>>>>>>>>>> health care >>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the >>>>>>>>> politicians >>>>>>>>>>> mislead you. >>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own >>>>>> decisions >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>> how to live a >>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - >>>>>> Linus >>>>>>>>>> ing, >>>>>>>>>>> two-time >>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Sorry for not spelling your name right Kenda. I guess it is from having a close friend that was a Kendra. Please forgive me. As far as giving it time, yes it can take some people allot longer than they usually are willing to give it .... it does take time to get committed to loving exercise. I have to disagree with you though in saying diet is more important than exercise. I reallly don't think any fitness specialist will tell you that either, it really isn't about one being more important than the other. In my own experience without the exercise I would still be overweight. With the exercise I am able to be at an optimum weight and also be able to eat what I want most of the time. That doesn't mean gorging on stuff that is bad for me. It simply means enjoying all that life has to offer. If I want to bake treats for my family I can enjoy them and not gain weight because of it. I try to eat as healthy as I possibly can but, life is to be lived and enjoyed and I sure don't want to limit my diet to only veggies and fruits and meat. That would be pretty boring. I try to stick with my timed eating plan and it is very effective. I also try to get in enough protein to feed my muscles and to be able to build muscle but I like the fact that working out 5 days a week alowys me the options of eating what I want if I want it. If one is training for a competition then of course diet would be about 80 percent of the total preparation. That is my feeling on diet and since I have maintained my weight for 13 years or so now...at an optimum body fat for awhile as well I guess I am doing something right. Of course everyone has their own methods and ways of doing things and i sure dont knock others if they chose to eat differently than I do. I just know I have never felt better and that I was once extremely ill from my implants. So I must be doing something right for my own situation. take care n , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > > Hi , > > I love exercise as well, it makes me feel better, I am stronger and > definitely healthier. I am doing things at 45 that I couldn't do in my 20's > or 30's. My balance is great and my core strength is amazing, especially in > light of the nasty vertical c-sections I had. My OB said I would never > regain my strong abs after two c-sections but I did. The best part is that > my emotions are very even. Exercise and yoga have brought me a calmness and > better ability to deal with life. Of course I look better but that's only a > small benefit compared to all of the other things exercise has to offer. > One thing I would like to add to those who are just starting an exercise > program is that it took me two years at the gym to start really enjoying it. > I was committed to going but HATED it. I think once you start feeling > changes from exercise, it brings different feelings about it and you start > to enjoy it. > > Since you contemplated becoming a certified trainer, you know that diet is > more important than exercise in the overall scheme of things. This is > something my trainer has a hard time getting his clients to accept. People > are willing to come into the gym but are unwilling to stop drinking the pop > or eating fast food. They will never see the health benefits they are > looking for without a diet change. > > Kenda -- with no " r " > > > Kendra that is awesome. I too just can't say enough about exercise. I > > always tell people that it saved me. I too was a big time couch > > potatoe. I started working out back when I was about 33 years old. I > > was a smoker, and never did much healthy....but I got into the best > > shape of my life quit smoking etc.....I was very healthy. Then I got > > into running and I loved it! I would run up to 30 miles a week. That > > was around the time I lost all my body fat and my breasts started to > > sag terribly after all the weightloss, so I ended up thinking that my > > reward for getting in such great shape would be boobs! Within 3 months > > I was very ill. So much for my reward. But I never did stop exercising > > with my illness....I always made sure I did something no matter how > > bad I felt. I also told myself the day the illness became too much for > > me to even work out was the day I got rid of the implants. Well that > > day came and I did it, got them out. Best thing I ever did. I > > continued with my training slowly. In fact I almost became a > > certified trainer myself but, well a great career op came up and that > > was too good to turn down so I went with this job I have now instead. > > I love my work but I still think about getting certified. I love > > working out and esp love to help others get in shape. It is fun and > > inspiring to take someone and help them find the body and the fitness > > inside them. It is inside all of us if we just learn to bring it out, > > I believe anyhow. Now I just work out with my hubby at home and we > > love it. I will never stop working out. I know what it can do for you > > when your sick too. I mean one should not over do it but there are so > > many benefits of working out. It really is important. > > Now at 41 years old I have a better body than I ever did in my 20's > > and I have to say I can wear clothes that I never thought I would be > > able to ... it is sure fun! But of course it is more about how you > > feel than how you look. > > I am glad you didn't get implants, they really can ruin your life and > > take so much away from you. They never did bring me any happiness. I > > mean sure I looked great in a tank top, but there is so much more to > > life than big boobs! > > take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > >> > >> Hi , > >> > >> First off, I never had implants. I don't believe you were here in March > >> when I first came to the list asking for help in deciding if they > > were safe. > >> Of course you can imagine the group's reaction, quickly talking me > > out of > >> it. The strange thing is that I have had a lot of the same health > > issues > >> implanted women have, without ever having been implanted. Because > > of that, > >> I was asked to stick around because I had to fight my way back to > > health -- > >> and then almost gave it up getting implants. Stupid!! > >> > >> In answer to your question, yes, I did start working out when I first > >> started trying to regain my health. It was very hard because I had > > been a > >> couch potato for several years when I was so sick and was extremely > > weak. I > >> started with water aerobics but it gave me constant vaginal problems. I > >> switched over to lifting weights with a trainer. I chose training with a > >> trainer because I have a herniated L5/S1 disc that any little wrong > > movement > >> would put me into a several week cycle of pain and many trips to the > > chiro, > >> not to mention pain killers. It took a couple of years to stabilize my > >> spine through gym work. I also added yoga and cycling. My back no > > longer > >> bothers me, six years later, and I am the healthiest and strongest I > > have > >> ever been. I can't speak enough for the power of exercise. I > > feel plain > >> lousy if I skip the gym so I don't. > >> > >> Kenda > >> > >> > >>> I am not Kendra but I can tell you what worked for me. First it was > >>> getting the implants out....then I used some epsom salt baths and esp > >>> aftere working out ...for me eating a super healthy diet high in > >>> veggies, fruits and whole grains and then working out....that is > >>> it...that is what cured me. Oh lots of hot tub soaks too. I found that > >>> if I worked out every day...even though at first it hurt, I just kept > >>> at it....went slow and worked up to 2 hours a day. That has been > >>> almost 6 years now and I would say almost all my pain was gone within > >>> 2 years of explant ....maybe less but for sure gone by 2 years. The > >>> only time I ever get achy now is if I work out extra hard or do > >>> something different that I have no done in awhile. I am at the > >>> healthiest weight I have ever been 115 pounds.....and feel great. i > >>> can't believe I once had fibro and mixed connective tissue disease. It > >>> is amazing. I guess if I had to say why I would guess it was the > >>> implants being gone but i feel the working out really helped me too. > >>> Kendra did you work out allot too? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> In , G <karengup@y...> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Kenda, > >>>> Could you please tell me what you did to get rid of your fibro > >>> symptoms? Was it supplements, medication, other treatments or just > >>> time? This is the worst of my remaining symptoms since my explant 7 > >>> months ago and I would do just about anything to get rid of it. > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > >>>> I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on with my > >>> body > >>>> and ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many > >>> times but > >>>> still enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie! > >>>> > >>>> Kenda > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything > >>>>> without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many times. > >>>>> Hugs, kathy > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone > >>>>>> suffering > >>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>>> fibro pain. > >>>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several > >>>>>>> years. > >>>>>>>>>> Just > >>>>>>>>>>> last week > >>>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free > >>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> so > >>>>>>>>>>> long. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been > >>>>> high > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> past so I > >>>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks > >>>>> ago > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> bring > >>>>>>>>>>> it down. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which > >>>>>>>>> triggered > >>>>>>>>>>> menopausal > >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had > >>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>> previous > >>>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week > >>>>>> were > >>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>> result of too > >>>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as > >>>>>>> well. > >>>>>>>>> So, > >>>>>>>>>>> for anyone > >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, > >>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>> might > >>>>>>>>>>> want to go > >>>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be > >>>>>> low > >>>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing > >>>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week > >>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>>>>> bad and > >>>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and > >>>>>> already > >>>>>>>>> feel > >>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>> bit > >>>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look > >>>>> forward > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>> menopause. He > >>>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems > >>>>>> fibro > >>>>>>>> pain > >>>>>>>>>>> isn't always > >>>>>>>>>>>> fibro! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenda > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a > >>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a > >>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to > >>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for > >>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one > >>>>> thing > >>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, > >>>>> illness - > >>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by > >>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught > >>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people. > >>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the > >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM > >>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared, > >>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription > >>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've > >>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . . > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby > >>>>>>>>>>>> stirs. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the > >>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW > >>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body > >>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that > >>>>> harms > >>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It > >>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do > >>>>> it's > >>>>>>>>>>>> work! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and > >>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take > >>>>> care > >>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place > >>>>> of > >>>>>>>> advice > >>>>>>>>>>> given by licensed > >>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or > >>>>>>>>> licensed > >>>>>>>>>>> health care > >>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the > >>>>>>>>> politicians > >>>>>>>>>>> mislead you. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >>>>>> decisions > >>>>>>>>> about > >>>>>>>>>>> how to live a > >>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - > >>>>>> Linus > >>>>>>>>>> ing, > >>>>>>>>>>> two-time > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 , My trainer is by all means a fitness specialist, he has many, many credentials, has personal trained for nearly 20 years, owns the gym and was previously Mr. Oklahoma. I doubt you could find a more qualified person to speak on weight loss and exercise. First off, a healthy diet doesn't consist solely of " veggies and fruits and meat " . You are leaving out important foods such as grains, nuts and milk products. In my trainer's opinion, diet is MORE important than exercise, it doesn't replace exercise, both should be done for optimal health. If you want to eat more than you burn, by all means you need to exercise more to keep from gaining unwanted pounds. Ideally, one eats what they need and no more. Kenda > Sorry for not spelling your name right Kenda. I guess it is from > having a close friend that was a Kendra. Please forgive me. > As far as giving it time, yes it can take some people allot longer > than they usually are willing to give it .... it does take time to get > committed to loving exercise. > I have to disagree with you though in saying diet is more important > than exercise. I reallly don't think any fitness specialist will tell > you that either, it really isn't about one being more important than > the other. In my own experience without the exercise I would still be > overweight. With the exercise I am able to be at an optimum weight and > also be able to eat what I want most of the time. That doesn't mean > gorging on stuff that is bad for me. It simply means enjoying all that > life has to offer. If I want to bake treats for my family I can enjoy > them and not gain weight because of it. I try to eat as healthy as I > possibly can but, life is to be lived and enjoyed and I sure don't > want to limit my diet to only veggies and fruits and meat. That would > be pretty boring. I try to stick with my timed eating plan and it is > very effective. I also try to get in enough protein to feed my muscles > and to be able to build muscle but I like the fact that working out 5 > days a week alowys me the options of eating what I want if I want it. > If one is training for a competition then of course diet would be > about 80 percent of the total preparation. That is my feeling on diet > and since I have maintained my weight for 13 years or so now...at an > optimum body fat for awhile as well I guess I am doing something > right. Of course everyone has their own methods and ways of doing > things and i sure dont knock others if they chose to eat differently > than I do. I just know I have never felt better and that I was once > extremely ill from my implants. So I must be doing something right for > my own situation. > take care > > > > > > n , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: >> >> Hi , >> >> I love exercise as well, it makes me feel better, I am stronger and >> definitely healthier. I am doing things at 45 that I couldn't do in > my 20's >> or 30's. My balance is great and my core strength is amazing, > especially in >> light of the nasty vertical c-sections I had. My OB said I would never >> regain my strong abs after two c-sections but I did. The best part > is that >> my emotions are very even. Exercise and yoga have brought me a > calmness and >> better ability to deal with life. Of course I look better but > that's only a >> small benefit compared to all of the other things exercise has to offer. >> One thing I would like to add to those who are just starting an exercise >> program is that it took me two years at the gym to start really > enjoying it. >> I was committed to going but HATED it. I think once you start feeling >> changes from exercise, it brings different feelings about it and you > start >> to enjoy it. >> >> Since you contemplated becoming a certified trainer, you know that > diet is >> more important than exercise in the overall scheme of things. This is >> something my trainer has a hard time getting his clients to accept. > People >> are willing to come into the gym but are unwilling to stop drinking > the pop >> or eating fast food. They will never see the health benefits they are >> looking for without a diet change. >> >> Kenda -- with no " r " >> >>> Kendra that is awesome. I too just can't say enough about exercise. I >>> always tell people that it saved me. I too was a big time couch >>> potatoe. I started working out back when I was about 33 years old. I >>> was a smoker, and never did much healthy....but I got into the best >>> shape of my life quit smoking etc.....I was very healthy. Then I got >>> into running and I loved it! I would run up to 30 miles a week. That >>> was around the time I lost all my body fat and my breasts started to >>> sag terribly after all the weightloss, so I ended up thinking that my >>> reward for getting in such great shape would be boobs! Within 3 months >>> I was very ill. So much for my reward. But I never did stop exercising >>> with my illness....I always made sure I did something no matter how >>> bad I felt. I also told myself the day the illness became too much for >>> me to even work out was the day I got rid of the implants. Well that >>> day came and I did it, got them out. Best thing I ever did. I >>> continued with my training slowly. In fact I almost became a >>> certified trainer myself but, well a great career op came up and that >>> was too good to turn down so I went with this job I have now instead. >>> I love my work but I still think about getting certified. I love >>> working out and esp love to help others get in shape. It is fun and >>> inspiring to take someone and help them find the body and the fitness >>> inside them. It is inside all of us if we just learn to bring it out, >>> I believe anyhow. Now I just work out with my hubby at home and we >>> love it. I will never stop working out. I know what it can do for you >>> when your sick too. I mean one should not over do it but there are so >>> many benefits of working out. It really is important. >>> Now at 41 years old I have a better body than I ever did in my 20's >>> and I have to say I can wear clothes that I never thought I would be >>> able to ... it is sure fun! But of course it is more about how you >>> feel than how you look. >>> I am glad you didn't get implants, they really can ruin your life and >>> take so much away from you. They never did bring me any happiness. I >>> mean sure I looked great in a tank top, but there is so much more to >>> life than big boobs! >>> take care >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi , >>>> >>>> First off, I never had implants. I don't believe you were here > in March >>>> when I first came to the list asking for help in deciding if they >>> were safe. >>>> Of course you can imagine the group's reaction, quickly talking me >>> out of >>>> it. The strange thing is that I have had a lot of the same health >>> issues >>>> implanted women have, without ever having been implanted. Because >>> of that, >>>> I was asked to stick around because I had to fight my way back to >>> health -- >>>> and then almost gave it up getting implants. Stupid!! >>>> >>>> In answer to your question, yes, I did start working out when I first >>>> started trying to regain my health. It was very hard because I had >>> been a >>>> couch potato for several years when I was so sick and was extremely >>> weak. I >>>> started with water aerobics but it gave me constant vaginal > problems. I >>>> switched over to lifting weights with a trainer. I chose training > with a >>>> trainer because I have a herniated L5/S1 disc that any little wrong >>> movement >>>> would put me into a several week cycle of pain and many trips to the >>> chiro, >>>> not to mention pain killers. It took a couple of years to > stabilize my >>>> spine through gym work. I also added yoga and cycling. My back no >>> longer >>>> bothers me, six years later, and I am the healthiest and strongest I >>> have >>>> ever been. I can't speak enough for the power of exercise. I >>> feel plain >>>> lousy if I skip the gym so I don't. >>>> >>>> Kenda >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am not Kendra but I can tell you what worked for me. First it was >>>>> getting the implants out....then I used some epsom salt baths > and esp >>>>> aftere working out ...for me eating a super healthy diet high in >>>>> veggies, fruits and whole grains and then working out....that is >>>>> it...that is what cured me. Oh lots of hot tub soaks too. I > found that >>>>> if I worked out every day...even though at first it hurt, I just > kept >>>>> at it....went slow and worked up to 2 hours a day. That has been >>>>> almost 6 years now and I would say almost all my pain was gone > within >>>>> 2 years of explant ....maybe less but for sure gone by 2 years. The >>>>> only time I ever get achy now is if I work out extra hard or do >>>>> something different that I have no done in awhile. I am at the >>>>> healthiest weight I have ever been 115 pounds.....and feel great. i >>>>> can't believe I once had fibro and mixed connective tissue > disease. It >>>>> is amazing. I guess if I had to say why I would guess it was the >>>>> implants being gone but i feel the working out really helped me too. >>>>> Kendra did you work out allot too? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In , G <karengup@y...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Kenda, >>>>>> Could you please tell me what you did to get rid of your fibro >>>>> symptoms? Was it supplements, medication, other treatments or just >>>>> time? This is the worst of my remaining symptoms since my explant 7 >>>>> months ago and I would do just about anything to get rid of it. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: >>>>>> I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on > with my >>>>> body >>>>>> and ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many >>>>> times but >>>>>> still enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie! >>>>>> >>>>>> Kenda >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything >>>>>>> without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many > times. >>>>>>> Hugs, kathy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone >>>>>>>> suffering >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> fibro pain. >>>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several >>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>>>>> last week >>>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>> long. >>>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been >>>>>>> high >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> past so I >>>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks >>>>>>> ago >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> bring >>>>>>>>>>>> it down. >>>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which >>>>>>>>>>> triggered >>>>>>>>>>>> menopausal >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> previous >>>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> result of too >>>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as >>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>>> So, >>>>>>>>>>>> for anyone >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>> want to go >>>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be >>>>>>>> low >>>>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing >>>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> bad and >>>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and >>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> bit >>>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look >>>>>>> forward >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> menopause. He >>>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems >>>>>>>> fibro >>>>>>>>>> pain >>>>>>>>>>>> isn't always >>>>>>>>>>>> fibro! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenda >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a >>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a >>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to >>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for >>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one >>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, >>>>>>> illness - >>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by >>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught >>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people. >>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM >>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared, >>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription >>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've >>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . . >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby >>>>>>>>>>>> stirs. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the >>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW >>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body >>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that >>>>>>> harms >>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It >>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>> work! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and >>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take >>>>>>> care >>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> advice >>>>>>>>>>>> given by licensed >>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or >>>>>>>>>>> licensed >>>>>>>>>>>> health care >>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the >>>>>>>>>>> politicians >>>>>>>>>>>> mislead you. >>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own >>>>>>>> decisions >>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>> how to live a >>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - >>>>>>>> Linus >>>>>>>>>>>> ing, >>>>>>>>>>>> two-time >>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Dear Lea, No I did not sue anyone. I don't think I had much to stand on considering I agreed to be a guinea pig by signing that consent. Although my Dr lied to me....it is a long story, but he did not actually have me even sign my consent until one week after my surgery. Ha silly me I never thought to ask. I was so excited to finally be getting boobs ya know. Oh well, I can't hang on to the anger as much as i wanted to. I am completely better. I no longer have a single symptom. The only thing that migh possibly be a lingering effect is just that when i catch a flu I seem to get a bit achier than I recall before. but I am 41 and push my body pretty hard ya know. If you want to read my story it is posted on www.explantation.com and I could ask if Patty would let me repost it here. I need to update it though because the last time I wrote it I believe i was still having some health issues. Probably my heel pain which was the very last thing to go. As for the problems you mentiion. I know of several protein drinks that might be a good alternative for women with digestive or swallowing problems but I would check with a Dr before I recomend anything for someone that is having digestive and swallowing problems. Protein is very important in our diets for healing and although I think it is a wonderful form of nutrition i don't believe in a low or no carb diet either. I believe that whole grains and other carbs are very very good for us. Esp if you are an exerciser you need the energy carbs provide. The best diet to me seems the one of variety. lots of fresh veggies, fruits, grains and good carbs and less of the fats and sugars and bad carbs. I believe life is also too short to abstain from all foods. Unless one has serious food allergies and gets sick from certain foods I believe life is just too short not to enjoy it and all that it has to offer. I don't believe in depravation. Again unless it is something serious as to why that food should not be consumed. In my life I do not appear to have any particular food allergy. Lea I appreciate your interest and concern for my story. It is nice to know that someone has genuine interest in my story because in the past it was unfortunate that a few people did not want to hear what i did to get better simply because they did not believe it was possible to get well without a whole full fledged detox and supplement plan. However, I am not going to lie and change what worked for me, because that is dishonest. I am not a dishonest person. I am not perfect and I am not going to insinuate my plan or my method of healing is for everyone Howeve, with it being so simple and so easy enough to try, I see no reason why anyone would not want to at the least give it a go and see what transpires. Again I pray that lall women will find the path that can lead them to healing that I have experienced. it is awesome and beautiful and my life has become so fullfilling and wondeful I just can't not share it. So thank you Lea your a sweet and kind person. If I can help you in any way at all, just ask. With love and hugs In , " Lea " <devans@c...> wrote: > > Dearest : > > What would you suggest that women who have digestion problems eat? Many > women have scleroderma and have a difficult time swallowing. Some have > turned to baby food because this seems to help. I know that when I eat meat, > it takes a longer time to digest it. > > Another thing that I would love is to read your story. Did you have saline > or silicone because that you are completely well is the best news that we > could hear. I hope that one day I will be able to wear high-heeled shoes > again. Also, did you sue the manufacturers for causing you so much pain? My > wish is that all women go after the rotten manufacturers for what they have > done to so many women. > > Sending love always...........Lea > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``` > > Re: Fibro Pain:Kenda? > > > > Sorry for not spelling your name right Kenda. I guess it is from > > having a close friend that was a Kendra. Please forgive me. > > As far as giving it time, yes it can take some people allot longer > > than they usually are willing to give it .... it does take time to get > > committed to loving exercise. > > I have to disagree with you though in saying diet is more important > > than exercise. I reallly don't think any fitness specialist will tell > > you that either, it really isn't about one being more important than > > the other. In my own experience without the exercise I would still be > > overweight. With the exercise I am able to be at an optimum weight and > > also be able to eat what I want most of the time. That doesn't mean > > gorging on stuff that is bad for me. It simply means enjoying all that > > life has to offer. If I want to bake treats for my family I can enjoy > > them and not gain weight because of it. I try to eat as healthy as I > > possibly can but, life is to be lived and enjoyed and I sure don't > > want to limit my diet to only veggies and fruits and meat. That would > > be pretty boring. I try to stick with my timed eating plan and it is > > very effective. I also try to get in enough protein to feed my muscles > > and to be able to build muscle but I like the fact that working out 5 > > days a week alowys me the options of eating what I want if I want it. > > If one is training for a competition then of course diet would be > > about 80 percent of the total preparation. That is my feeling on diet > > and since I have maintained my weight for 13 years or so now...at an > > optimum body fat for awhile as well I guess I am doing something > > right. Of course everyone has their own methods and ways of doing > > things and i sure dont knock others if they chose to eat differently > > than I do. I just know I have never felt better and that I was once > > extremely ill from my implants. So I must be doing something right for > > my own situation. > > take care > > > > > > > > > > > > n , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > >> > >> Hi , > >> > >> I love exercise as well, it makes me feel better, I am stronger and > >> definitely healthier. I am doing things at 45 that I couldn't do in > > my 20's > >> or 30's. My balance is great and my core strength is amazing, > > especially in > >> light of the nasty vertical c-sections I had. My OB said I would never > >> regain my strong abs after two c-sections but I did. The best part > > is that > >> my emotions are very even. Exercise and yoga have brought me a > > calmness and > >> better ability to deal with life. Of course I look better but > > that's only a > >> small benefit compared to all of the other things exercise has to offer. > >> One thing I would like to add to those who are just starting an exercise > >> program is that it took me two years at the gym to start really > > enjoying it. > >> I was committed to going but HATED it. I think once you start feeling > >> changes from exercise, it brings different feelings about it and you > > start > >> to enjoy it. > >> > >> Since you contemplated becoming a certified trainer, you know that > > diet is > >> more important than exercise in the overall scheme of things. This is > >> something my trainer has a hard time getting his clients to accept. > > People > >> are willing to come into the gym but are unwilling to stop drinking > > the pop > >> or eating fast food. They will never see the health benefits they are > >> looking for without a diet change. > >> > >> Kenda -- with no " r " > >> > >> > Kendra that is awesome. I too just can't say enough about exercise. I > >> > always tell people that it saved me. I too was a big time couch > >> > potatoe. I started working out back when I was about 33 years old. I > >> > was a smoker, and never did much healthy....but I got into the best > >> > shape of my life quit smoking etc.....I was very healthy. Then I got > >> > into running and I loved it! I would run up to 30 miles a week. That > >> > was around the time I lost all my body fat and my breasts started to > >> > sag terribly after all the weightloss, so I ended up thinking that my > >> > reward for getting in such great shape would be boobs! Within 3 months > >> > I was very ill. So much for my reward. But I never did stop exercising > >> > with my illness....I always made sure I did something no matter how > >> > bad I felt. I also told myself the day the illness became too much for > >> > me to even work out was the day I got rid of the implants. Well that > >> > day came and I did it, got them out. Best thing I ever did. I > >> > continued with my training slowly. In fact I almost became a > >> > certified trainer myself but, well a great career op came up and that > >> > was too good to turn down so I went with this job I have now instead. > >> > I love my work but I still think about getting certified. I love > >> > working out and esp love to help others get in shape. It is fun and > >> > inspiring to take someone and help them find the body and the fitness > >> > inside them. It is inside all of us if we just learn to bring it out, > >> > I believe anyhow. Now I just work out with my hubby at home and we > >> > love it. I will never stop working out. I know what it can do for you > >> > when your sick too. I mean one should not over do it but there are so > >> > many benefits of working out. It really is important. > >> > Now at 41 years old I have a better body than I ever did in my 20's > >> > and I have to say I can wear clothes that I never thought I would be > >> > able to ... it is sure fun! But of course it is more about how you > >> > feel than how you look. > >> > I am glad you didn't get implants, they really can ruin your life and > >> > take so much away from you. They never did bring me any happiness. I > >> > mean sure I looked great in a tank top, but there is so much more to > >> > life than big boobs! > >> > take care > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hi , > >> >> > >> >> First off, I never had implants. I don't believe you were here > > in March > >> >> when I first came to the list asking for help in deciding if they > >> > were safe. > >> >> Of course you can imagine the group's reaction, quickly talking me > >> > out of > >> >> it. The strange thing is that I have had a lot of the same health > >> > issues > >> >> implanted women have, without ever having been implanted. Because > >> > of that, > >> >> I was asked to stick around because I had to fight my way back to > >> > health -- > >> >> and then almost gave it up getting implants. Stupid!! > >> >> > >> >> In answer to your question, yes, I did start working out when I first > >> >> started trying to regain my health. It was very hard because I had > >> > been a > >> >> couch potato for several years when I was so sick and was extremely > >> > weak. I > >> >> started with water aerobics but it gave me constant vaginal > > problems. I > >> >> switched over to lifting weights with a trainer. I chose training > > with a > >> >> trainer because I have a herniated L5/S1 disc that any little wrong > >> > movement > >> >> would put me into a several week cycle of pain and many trips to the > >> > chiro, > >> >> not to mention pain killers. It took a couple of years to > > stabilize my > >> >> spine through gym work. I also added yoga and cycling. My back no > >> > longer > >> >> bothers me, six years later, and I am the healthiest and strongest I > >> > have > >> >> ever been. I can't speak enough for the power of exercise. I > >> > feel plain > >> >> lousy if I skip the gym so I don't. > >> >> > >> >> Kenda > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> I am not Kendra but I can tell you what worked for me. First it was > >> >>> getting the implants out....then I used some epsom salt baths > > and esp > >> >>> aftere working out ...for me eating a super healthy diet high in > >> >>> veggies, fruits and whole grains and then working out....that is > >> >>> it...that is what cured me. Oh lots of hot tub soaks too. I > > found that > >> >>> if I worked out every day...even though at first it hurt, I just > > kept > >> >>> at it....went slow and worked up to 2 hours a day. That has been > >> >>> almost 6 years now and I would say almost all my pain was gone > > within > >> >>> 2 years of explant ....maybe less but for sure gone by 2 years. The > >> >>> only time I ever get achy now is if I work out extra hard or do > >> >>> something different that I have no done in awhile. I am at the > >> >>> healthiest weight I have ever been 115 pounds.....and feel great. i > >> >>> can't believe I once had fibro and mixed connective tissue > > disease. It > >> >>> is amazing. I guess if I had to say why I would guess it was the > >> >>> implants being gone but i feel the working out really helped me too. > >> >>> Kendra did you work out allot too? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> In , G <karengup@y...> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Hi Kenda, > >> >>>> Could you please tell me what you did to get rid of your fibro > >> >>> symptoms? Was it supplements, medication, other treatments or just > >> >>> time? This is the worst of my remaining symptoms since my explant 7 > >> >>> months ago and I would do just about anything to get rid of it. > >> >>>> Thanks, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > >> >>>> I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on > > with my > >> >>> body > >> >>>> and ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many > >> >>> times but > >> >>>> still enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie! > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Kenda > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything > >> >>>>> without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many > > times. > >> >>>>> Hugs, kathy > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone > >> >>>>>> suffering > >> >>>>>>>> with > >> >>>>>>>>>>> fibro pain. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several > >> >>>>>>> years. > >> >>>>>>>>>> Just > >> >>>>>>>>>>> last week > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free > >> >>>>>> of > >> >>>>>>>> for > >> >>>>>>>>> so > >> >>>>>>>>>>> long. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been > >> >>>>> high > >> >>>>>>> in > >> >>>>>>>>> the > >> >>>>>>>>>>> past so I > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks > >> >>>>> ago > >> >>>>>> to > >> >>>>>>>>> bring > >> >>>>>>>>>>> it down. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which > >> >>>>>>>>> triggered > >> >>>>>>>>>>> menopausal > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had > >> >>>>>> not > >> >>>>>>>>>> previous > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week > >> >>>>>> were > >> >>>>>>> as > >> >>>>>>>> a > >> >>>>>>>>>>> result of too > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as > >> >>>>>>> well. > >> >>>>>>>>> So, > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for anyone > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, > >> >>>>>> you > >> >>>>>>>>> might > >> >>>>>>>>>>> want to go > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be > >> >>>>>> low > >> >>>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week > >> >>>>>> was > >> >>>>>>>>> just > >> >>>>>>>>>> as > >> >>>>>>>>>>> bad and > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and > >> >>>>>> already > >> >>>>>>>>> feel > >> >>>>>>>>>> a > >> >>>>>>>>>>> bit > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look > >> >>>>> forward > >> >>>>>> to > >> >>>>>>>> in > >> >>>>>>>>>>> menopause. He > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems > >> >>>>>> fibro > >> >>>>>>>> pain > >> >>>>>>>>>>> isn't always > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> fibro! > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenda > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one > >> >>>>> thing > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, > >> >>>>> illness - > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study! > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . . > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> stirs. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that > >> >>>>> harms > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do > >> >>>>> it's > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> work! > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take > >> >>>>> care > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can! > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place > >> >>>>> of > >> >>>>>>>> advice > >> >>>>>>>>>>> given by licensed > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or > >> >>>>>>>>> licensed > >> >>>>>>>>>>> health care > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the > >> >>>>>>>>> politicians > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mislead you. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >> >>>>>> decisions > >> >>>>>>>>> about > >> >>>>>>>>>>> how to live a > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - > >> >>>>>> Linus > >> >>>>>>>>>> ing, > >> >>>>>>>>>>> two-time > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Lea, Rubin's first book, " Patient Heal Thyself " was all about not absorbing the nutrition from ones food and what to do about it. Rubin nearly died because of this. Please take a look at this book! It's excellent! Love, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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