Guest guest Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Thanks for the encouraging words, Bill. Playing the guitar and the keyboards take me a lot of my time and effort (maybe I'm not gifted but I don't mind). But when I see myself playing things I thought I would never be able to play, all that hard work becomes worth it. ACT is like that, well for me anyway: I put a lot of work into it, but after a while I see things are starting to change. The process of learning seems to be very fulfilling in itself. I find it deeply satisfying when things change a little after much practice. I guess I'm confident that things will keep going like this and so there is no rush. Being patient feels very rewarding too. Kaivey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had my head in as much research as my brain can interpret these last few days and I've been thinking about what type of pain is tolerable and what pain is not. (I know the goal is to be able to accept all the pain...I'm sure we are all working on that all the time...a progression I guess). That led me to think about willingness and I found this passage from " Get out of Your Mind..... " , it follows the `hot stove' example of pain... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " There are forms of pain that necessarily come along with healthy actions or are historical in their nature, conditioned, and not based on the current situation. If you exercise vigorously, your muscles will be sore. If you study hard you will be tired. If you remember a past loss, you will be sad. If you open up to relationships, you will be vulnerable. If you care about the world, you will know that others are hurting. Most psychological pain seems to be of this type. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anxiety is usually not based on real danger; depression is usually not based on the objective current situation. Feelings that are historical in nature, conditioned, and not directly caused by the current situation are like that. Some of these feelings are not very good guides to action. For example, someone who has suffered abuse may be afraid of intimacy, even if that person's current partner is sensitive and kind. " P.122 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amongst the many thoughts that this passage provoked, I got to thinking about yoga. When I practice yoga I take on an all or nothing mindset and use it to mindfully push my pain threshold beyond previous limits. So pain is ok under those circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about the pain of betrayal or trickery? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess the answer is in being willing right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 I've been enjoying and learning from all od your posts. I agree that the process of learning is very rewarding in itself, although I sometimes struggle with what I think the outcome should be. How do you deal with that? I have also gained insight from Russ 's explanation of why we tend to see things as threats, the evolution of our mind but learning that our minds still have the survival mode which wants us to steer clear of what we perceive to be threats to our survival. 's book, Things Might Go Terribly, Horribly Wrong also gives a good explanation of which caveman gene pool we came from, the ones that were leery of what might be out there beyond the cave. The others that weren't leery didn't survive. That helped me understand why I can have such anxiety about being successful as a teacher. When there is a student that is behaviorally difficult, I feel threatened. " What if I am not successful at handling this student?? " That thought scares me to death, because I see it as such a threat to my " survival " as a good teacher. That is hard for me to sit with and really is not something that is going to go away because there will always be students out there that are major behavioral challenges, and since I am a special ed teacher, I often have these students. My students are not necessarily really low functioning students, they are those with learning disabilities and ADD, ADHD etc. Anyone got any ideas for me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had my head in as much research as my brain can interpret these last few days and I've been thinking about what type of pain is tolerable and what pain is not. (I know the goal is to be able to accept all the pain...I'm sure we are all working on that all the time...a progression I guess). That led me to think about willingness and I found this passage from " Get out of Your Mind..... " , it follows the `hot stove' example of pain... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " There are forms of pain that necessarily come along with healthy actions or are historical in their nature, conditioned, and not based on the current situation. If you exercise vigorously, your muscles will be sore. If you study hard you will be tired. If you remember a past loss, you will be sad. If you open up to relationships, you will be vulnerable. If you care about the world, you will know that others are hurting. Most psychological pain seems to be of this type. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anxiety is usually not based on real danger; depression is usually not based on the objective current situation. Feelings that are historical in nature, conditioned, and not directly caused by the current situation are like that. Some of these feelings are not very good guides to action. For example, someone who has suffered abuse may be afraid of intimacy, even if that person's current partner is sensitive and kind. " P.122 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amongst the many thoughts that this passage provoked, I got to thinking about yoga. When I practice yoga I take on an all or nothing mindset and use it to mindfully push my pain threshold beyond previous limits. So pain is ok under those circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about the pain of betrayal or trickery? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess the answer is in being willing right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Right on! When you practice the guitar and keyboard you stay fresh and grow. Backslide a little and lo and behold, rust.To: ACT_for_the_Public From: akaivey@...Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:59:50 +0000Subject: Re: Willingness Thanks for the encouraging words, Bill. Playing the guitar and the keyboards take me a lot of my time and effort (maybe I'm not gifted but I don't mind). But when I see myself playing things I thought I would never be able to play, all that hard work becomes worth it. ACT is like that, well for me anyway: I put a lot of work into it, but after a while I see things are starting to change. The process of learning seems to be very fulfilling in itself. I find it deeply satisfying when things change a little after much practice. I guess I'm confident that things will keep going like this and so there is no rush. Being patient feels very rewarding too. Kaivey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had my head in as much research as my brain can interpret these last few days and I've been thinking about what type of pain is tolerable and what pain is not. (I know the goal is to be able to accept all the pain...I'm sure we are all working on that all the time...a progression I guess). That led me to think about willingness and I found this passage from "Get out of Your Mind.....", it follows the `hot stove' example of pain... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There are forms of pain that necessarily come along with healthy actions or are historical in their nature, conditioned, and not based on the current situation. If you exercise vigorously, your muscles will be sore. If you study hard you will be tired. If you remember a past loss, you will be sad. If you open up to relationships, you will be vulnerable. If you care about the world, you will know that others are hurting. Most psychological pain seems to be of this type. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anxiety is usually not based on real danger; depression is usually not based on the objective current situation. Feelings that are historical in nature, conditioned, and not directly caused by the current situation are like that. Some of these feelings are not very good guides to action. For example, someone who has suffered abuse may be afraid of intimacy, even if that person's current partner is sensitive and kind." P.122 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amongst the many thoughts that this passage provoked, I got to thinking about yoga. When I practice yoga I take on an all or nothing mindset and use it to mindfully push my pain threshold beyond previous limits. So pain is ok under those circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about the pain of betrayal or trickery? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess the answer is in being willing right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Yes, ACT is definitely not for spectators. I'm at the very beginning of therapy with a psychiatrist, and reading The Happiness Trap and having a heck of a time getting into the exercises. I mean, how many people go to therapy ready, willing, and able to attempt such exercises? I can see the sense of ACT at an intellectual level, but I'm wondering if it's the right therapy for me. I'm someone who has tried (and mostly failed) numerous self-help therapies and therapies like Primal Therapy going back nearly four decades. While some have helped in some small ways, I've also learned to be extremely wary of "sounds-too-good-to-be-true" claims made by some therapists for their particular inventions. ACT seems to be a therapy for those whose troubles are not too debilitating and who are able to cope with life's vicissitudes with not too much trouble. While I sometimes feel I fit that category to some extent, when the "Black Dog" of depression" comes a'calling all bets are off, and the entire world seems like eternal night. At such times ACT seems utterly meaningless.M.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hello Group,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have had my head in as much research as my brain can interpret> > > > these last few days and I've been thinking about what type of pain is> > > > tolerable and what pain is not. (I know the goal is to be able to accept> > > > all the pain...I'm sure we are all working on that all the time...a> > > > progression I guess). That led me to think about willingness and I found> > > > this passage from "Get out of Your Mind.....", it follows the `hot> > > > stove' example of pain...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "There are forms of pain that necessarily come along with healthy> > > > actions or are historical in their nature, conditioned, and not based on> > > > the current situation. If you exercise vigorously, your muscles will be> > > > sore. If you study hard you will be tired. If you remember a past loss,> > > > you will be sad. If you open up to relationships, you will be> > > > vulnerable. If you care about the world, you will know that others are> > > > hurting. Most psychological pain seems to be of this type.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Anxiety is usually not based on real danger; depression is usually> > > > not based on the objective current situation. Feelings that are> > > > historical in nature, conditioned, and not directly caused by the> > > > current situation are like that. Some of these feelings are not very> > > > good guides to action. For example, someone who has suffered abuse may> > > > be afraid of intimacy, even if that person's current partner is> > > > sensitive and kind." P.122> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Amongst the many thoughts that this passage provoked, I got to> > > > thinking about yoga. When I practice yoga I take on an all or nothing> > > > mindset and use it to mindfully push my pain threshold beyond previous> > > > limits. So pain is ok under those circumstances.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What about the pain of betrayal or trickery?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I guess the answer is in being willing right?> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 I can't believe how easily I can run my fingers up and down the fretboard of my guitar nowadays playing lead guitar. And it has nothing to do with being gifted, I just wanted to play more than anything in the world. And despite the fact I was convinced that I would never be able to play, I persevered against all my negative thinking. Now I have something that fills my life with passion and compensates in some way for my PSSD - things are getting to be exciting again. Thanks for your post, Kellly, it has given renewed confidence in my own ACT work. I feel I am at a turning point, even though it is taking an incredibly long time, so I sometimes get discouraged. Kaivey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had my head in as much research as my brain can interpret > > > > these last few days and I've been thinking about what type of pain is > > > > tolerable and what pain is not. (I know the goal is to be able to accept > > > > all the pain...I'm sure we are all working on that all the time...a > > > > progression I guess). That led me to think about willingness and I found > > > > this passage from " Get out of Your Mind..... " , it follows the `hot > > > > stove' example of pain... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " There are forms of pain that necessarily come along with healthy > > > > actions or are historical in their nature, conditioned, and not based on > > > > the current situation. If you exercise vigorously, your muscles will be > > > > sore. If you study hard you will be tired. If you remember a past loss, > > > > you will be sad. If you open up to relationships, you will be > > > > vulnerable. If you care about the world, you will know that others are > > > > hurting. Most psychological pain seems to be of this type. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anxiety is usually not based on real danger; depression is usually > > > > not based on the objective current situation. Feelings that are > > > > historical in nature, conditioned, and not directly caused by the > > > > current situation are like that. Some of these feelings are not very > > > > good guides to action. For example, someone who has suffered abuse may > > > > be afraid of intimacy, even if that person's current partner is > > > > sensitive and kind. " P.122 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amongst the many thoughts that this passage provoked, I got to > > > > thinking about yoga. When I practice yoga I take on an all or nothing > > > > mindset and use it to mindfully push my pain threshold beyond previous > > > > limits. So pain is ok under those circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about the pain of betrayal or trickery? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess the answer is in being willing right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 I know what you mean!!! That is how I am feeling with my anxiety, but I think the whole point is that it can work for all of us but it is in the instruction and practice and acceptance!! Last night I read the Happiness Trap newsletter about acceptance and am trying to look at my angst through those areas Russ mentioned. Caring, etc. So easy for me to think that it has to be gone before I can be a normally functioning person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had my head in as much research as my brain can > interpret > > > > > > these last few days and I've been thinking about what type of pain > is > > > > > > tolerable and what pain is not. (I know the goal is to be able to > accept > > > > > > all the pain...I'm sure we are all working on that all the > time...a > > > > > > progression I guess). That led me to think about willingness and I > found > > > > > > this passage from " Get out of Your Mind..... " , it follows the `hot > > > > > > stove' example of pain... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " There are forms of pain that necessarily come along with > healthy > > > > > > actions or are historical in their nature, conditioned, and not > based on > > > > > > the current situation. If you exercise vigorously, your muscles > will be > > > > > > sore. If you study hard you will be tired. If you remember a past > loss, > > > > > > you will be sad. If you open up to relationships, you will be > > > > > > vulnerable. If you care about the world, you will know that others > are > > > > > > hurting. Most psychological pain seems to be of this type. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anxiety is usually not based on real danger; depression is > usually > > > > > > not based on the objective current situation. Feelings that are > > > > > > historical in nature, conditioned, and not directly caused by the > > > > > > current situation are like that. Some of these feelings are not > very > > > > > > good guides to action. For example, someone who has suffered abuse > may > > > > > > be afraid of intimacy, even if that person's current partner is > > > > > > sensitive and kind. " P.122 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amongst the many thoughts that this passage provoked, I got > to > > > > > > thinking about yoga. When I practice yoga I take on an all or > nothing > > > > > > mindset and use it to mindfully push my pain threshold beyond > previous > > > > > > limits. So pain is ok under those circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about the pain of betrayal or trickery? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess the answer is in being willing right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 thank you ,it was very inspiring!!To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Tue, 6 July, 2010 7:03:29Subject: Re: Re: Willingness Hi - think about the linkage of instruction and practice--like swimming. My daughter is a competitive swimmer. She could swim when she started 8 years ago, but it was not pretty or efficient or fast. Over 8 years she has had a rich mix of instruction and practice. If it were only instruction, she would swim mostly like she swam 8 years ago. If she only practiced, she would probably have changed little. I am an inelegant swimmer myself. I can swim for a long time, but not fast, and not efficiently and that is with 50 years of practice - but no instruction. The combination of practice and instruction has turned my daughter into a beautiful swimmer. Not Olympic class, but her kick and stroke are spare and elegant. She moves with grace through the water. And, when she wants to, quite rapidly. It is a mix of practice and instruction. The book can give you instruction, but not practice. So read the book, then put it down, and practice. You will be inelegant at it initially. If you can accept that and continue practicing, you will gain skill over time. I beg you to offer yourself the gift of practice. The gift of having wherever you are at this very moment be enough. Go gently. Go as well as you can this day. Practice. And, over time, you will find your experience of the world shifting. Not pain free, not anxiety free, but shifting in richness.namaste, from out on the road, G. 205 Peabody BuildingPsychology DepartmentUniversity of MississippiOxford, MS 38677ph: fax: academic homepage:www.olemiss. edu/working/ kwilson/kwilson. htmalso check outwww.onelifellc. comwww.mindfulnessfort wo.comwww.facebook. com/kellygwilsonwww.tastybehavioris m.comwww.abnormalwootwoo t.com The answer is practicing all the stuff that makes perfect sense. ACT is not for spectators, it's for well-practiced participants. Like learning to play the banjo. Sorry for the repetition!BillTo: ACT_for_the_ Public From: leslie.vanbuskirk@ yahoo.comDate: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 21:04:38 +0000Subject: [ACT_for_the_ Public] Re: Willingness What kind of things do you do to accept your pain? I read all of the ACT and it all makes perfect sense to me in theory but I still feel stumped in the presence of strong anxiety. It feels like it is dominating me so right now. I get into this "I should be doing this or that instead of being swamped by these anxious feelings." I know I need to be more compassionate to myself but I just don't feel like a fully functioning human when this is going on!! I want to just stay hooked to this computer or a self-help book hoping I'll find the answer, when that is probably not the best thing I could be doing for myself, but I am just not sure what else would help either!! > > > > > > > > > > Hello Group, > > > > > > > > > > I have had my head in as much research as my brain can interpret > > these last few days and I've been thinking about what type of pain is > > tolerable and what pain is not. (I know the goal is to be able to accept > > all the pain...I'm sure we are all working on that all the time...a > > progression I guess). That led me to think about willingness and I found > > this passage from "Get out of Your Mind.....", it follows the `hot > > stove' example of pain... > > > > > > > > > > "There are forms of pain that necessarily come along with healthy > > actions or are historical in their nature, conditioned, and not based on > > the current situation. If you exercise vigorously, your muscles will be > > sore. If you study hard you will be tired. If you remember a past loss, > > you will be sad. If you open up to relationships, you will be > > vulnerable. If you care about the world, you will know that others are > > hurting. Most psychological pain seems to be of this type. > > > > > > > > > > Anxiety is usually not based on real danger; depression is usually > > not based on the objective current situation. Feelings that are > > historical in nature, conditioned, and not directly caused by the > > current situation are like that. Some of these feelings are not very > > good guides to action. For example, someone who has suffered abuse may > > be afraid of intimacy, even if that person's current partner is > > sensitive and kind." P.122 > > > > > > > > > > Amongst the many thoughts that this passage provoked, I got to > > thinking about yoga. When I practice yoga I take on an all or nothing > > mindset and use it to mindfully push my pain threshold beyond previous > > limits. So pain is ok under those circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > What about the pain of betrayal or trickery? > > > > > > > > > > I guess the answer is in being willing right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 So I'm a little shy and a bit sensitive and I have had low self esteem all my life. One evening, when I am a teenager, I get very badly beaten up by some yobs after which an ambulance had to take me to hospital because it is so bad. While I am in hospital recovering, my best friend got off with my girlfiend who I am madly in love with. I then went into a deep depression and I felt no hope me, believing that there was something badly wrong with me. I then get treated by a psychiatrist's who tell me that I have biochemical imballance in my brain which is an inherited disorder that has been brought to light by my recent experiences. He then treats me with drugs. But I know the drugs won't work because I have psychological problems, low self sesteem, and so my despair go through the roof because I know that these drugs won't help with that. And it doesn't make sense to me because all my life I was so happy and in awe of nature and had many lovely girlfriends and lots of wonderful friends, but now my brain doesn't make enough happy chemicals for me to function correctly, so the theory goes. The drugs didn't work and so he puts me on lithium, saying that I am a manic depressive who stays in the depressed half all the time. I've never been manic in all of my life, but now I am really scared because I think that I have a pychotic illness and therefore I have become now a mad person. All I want is a lovely girlfriend, like all young men, but now I think I am a nutter. I have generalised anxiety disorder, and severe depression, and I am worried sick about all of this. I'm so worried that I can't sit still anymore, and people notice that I am really not myself at all anymore, but I'm still going to work, although I not functioning much there. In the end a new doctor changes my drugs and the new antidepressant he puts me on causes me to go manic, but I realise what is happening and get myself back down to earth in a few days. But I don't tell anyone in case they put me back on lithium - that 'nutter's drug'. But I am now so distressed because I think I have this tendency to madness. I become even more ill afer that and the doctor prescribes me an antipychotic, but it doesn't do anything. Little did I know that within a few months I might be twitching and sticking my tongue out like all the other weirdos who stay at the pychiatric unit that I have to attend once a week. How was that supposed to get me my confidence back, build my self esteem, and get me what I wanted more than anything more in the world, a lovely girlfriend? In the end I swallow all the antipychotic drugs to try stop the pain and I then have to go to hospital. Fortunatly, I never get prescribed them again and I was also severely told off. After this my depression started to get so bad that I decided to kill myself and I traveled into London to buy some sleeping pills off the junkies. But why don't I try some heroin, I think, before I kill myself, maybe I can be happy again for a while? And so I buy some of that as well, and it's okay, but nothing special. So the addicts then sell me some ritalin to go with it, and that is really nice. I spend the next 3 momths doing this rubbish while still taking my antidepressant, which I believe I can't do without. Then one day my holiday comes up that I have pre-booked with my friends. I have no drugs now, nor any antidepressants, but I go on holiday anyway. I then I find I can survive quite well without drugs and I have lots of fun. When I get home I go straight to a building society and arrange to buy a flat (an apartment). There is still no drugs and I never go back to psychiatry - that's all over for me now. I then get a new girlfriend but after 2 years we finish and then I find I am all alone as all my friends have got married and have moved away. I now suffering from chronic mild depression, and I still can't make sense of what has happened to me. At the weekends I would often go out traveling to visit all the places I where I used to feel so happy. I was still in love with nature, the sea, the wind, the rain, the sunsets, and the green and beautiful hills. And I loved it at night when everything was lit up with the old fashioned white street lamps, which would be so romantic. I also visited all the places where I used to have some of my lovely girlfirends and it would bring back to me all those happy memories to me. The press was full of news about the new wonder drugs for depression at the time and I had social phobia by now so I figured I could take prozac for a while, get into meditation, get back into socialising again and make new friends, and then come off the drug and it will be fine. Sounds like a good idea to me, except after 3 months I got PSSD and it was irreversible. Now you know why I am so angry, psychiatry is built on a pack of lies, and a load of toxic and useless drugs. I had no chemical imballance in my brain before I was treated by these awful people, afterall I was incredibly happy all my life until my trauma occured. They caused my chronic depression with their drugs from hell, and also by not given me any hope, and by telling that I had an inherited disorder where my brain didn't work properly and that I was different from normal people. I just went into into meltdown after that. All ever I wanted was someone to say to me, I can help you with this, let's talk it and go through things and try to sort this out, and I would have been over the moon. But that never happened, not once. I still feel I want to talk this through with someone. Kaivey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had my head in as much research as my brain can interpret > > > > these last few days and I've been thinking about what type of pain is > > > > tolerable and what pain is not. (I know the goal is to be able to accept > > > > all the pain...I'm sure we are all working on that all the time...a > > > > progression I guess). That led me to think about willingness and I found > > > > this passage from " Get out of Your Mind..... " , it follows the `hot > > > > stove' example of pain... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " There are forms of pain that necessarily come along with healthy > > > > actions or are historical in their nature, conditioned, and not based on > > > > the current situation. If you exercise vigorously, your muscles will be > > > > sore. If you study hard you will be tired. If you remember a past loss, > > > > you will be sad. If you open up to relationships, you will be > > > > vulnerable. If you care about the world, you will know that others are > > > > hurting. Most psychological pain seems to be of this type. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anxiety is usually not based on real danger; depression is usually > > > > not based on the objective current situation. Feelings that are > > > > historical in nature, conditioned, and not directly caused by the > > > > current situation are like that. Some of these feelings are not very > > > > good guides to action. For example, someone who has suffered abuse may > > > > be afraid of intimacy, even if that person's current partner is > > > > sensitive and kind. " P.122 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amongst the many thoughts that this passage provoked, I got to > > > > thinking about yoga. When I practice yoga I take on an all or nothing > > > > mindset and use it to mindfully push my pain threshold beyond previous > > > > limits. So pain is ok under those circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about the pain of betrayal or trickery? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess the answer is in being willing right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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