Re: Hair loss, eyelashes & brows joining in...

January 30, 2006

Lana wrote: My scalp is on fire like someone dumped acid all over my head-hair is falling out all over, my eyelashes are slowly falling, losing some of those eyebrows, too. My thyroid tests (complete t. tests)show that it is ok. Sounds like thyroid to me. What are your thyroid scores? Sorry if you already mentioned that earlier. Thyroid scores to some docs are fine but not to others who also look at symptoms. Madeleen I wonder if that relates back to no E? Anyone suffer with this problem?Lana

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February 1, 2006

Carroll,

Please, please, tell me what kind of tmt. you were put on and is this

dr. in CA by any chance? Maybe I could get her to consult with my

Endo? I am so desperate!!! Any/all assistance would be eternally

appreciated!

Lana

>

February 1, 2006

I went to Dr. Redmond for 2 yrs in NY and was on an anti androgen due

to PCOS. I was also losing my hair even on the thyroid meds. His book

is very informative. I decided to go off the anti androgens and

discontinue progesterone. I now use pretty much only thyroid and

estrogen. My hair is finally growing back I have a whole bunch in

front that is an inch long(sticks straight up). The reason I went off

the other med is that I found that it blocked not only testosterone

but also estrogen. My experience with my body tells me that I either

can no longer handle the P or that the P goes down a very androgenic

pathway for me and that I need higher amount of E. The issue right

now is balancing the thyroid and estrogen and concern over not

bleeding on a regular basis.

Karin

> > My scalp is on fire like someone dumped acid all

> > over my head-hair is falling out all over, my

> > eyelashes are slowly falling, losing some of those

> > eyebrows, too. My thyroid tests (complete t.

> > tests)show that it

> > is ok.

> >

> > Sounds like thyroid to me. What are your thyroid

> > scores? Sorry if you already mentioned that earlier.

> > Thyroid scores to some docs are fine but not to

> > others who also look at symptoms.

> > Madeleen

> >

> > I wonder if that relates back to no E? Anyone

> > suffer with this

> > problem?

> >

> > Lana

> >

> > click here for our webpage

> > http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> > **The group conversation is informational in nature

> > and is not intended as medical advice.**

> >

February 2, 2006

I looked at my test scores and the copy that my Dr. gave me is so faint that I can't read the numbers, but she said it was at the very low end of the range. The Endocrinologist that I saw 2 days ago said that my thyroid was fine. I asked him if maybe the low end isn't good for, "ME" -personally, and he said that it was fine, yet my symptoms seem to say otherwise...I am going to ask him if he would give me a trial of Armour, like a "mirco-dot" dose and see if that helps...worth a try. He is having my blood tested for auto-immune problems to which they probably won't find a thing!

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/causes-of-hypo/

this is a great site full of interesting info. from thyroid gals......I too am new in the thyroid crowd, and they have been working at this for awhile, nice to read some helpful hints. Also Dr. Dommise has new take on the TSH and free T3 free T4 levels...knowledge IS power . Good luck,

http://www.johndommissemd.com/hypothyroidism.html

February 2, 2006

that's really interesting...... which antiandrogen

were you on? I've been doing aldactone for 20 years

plus a bcp and pretty much can't do without it.

--- bigbird3099 wrote:

> I went to Dr. Redmond for 2 yrs in NY and was on an

> anti androgen due

> to PCOS. I was also losing my hair even on the

> thyroid meds. His book

> is very informative. I decided to go off the anti

> androgens and

> discontinue progesterone. I now use pretty much only

> thyroid and

> estrogen. My hair is finally growing back I have a

> whole bunch in

> front that is an inch long(sticks straight up). The

> reason I went off

> the other med is that I found that it blocked not

> only testosterone

> but also estrogen. My experience with my body tells

> me that I either

> can no longer handle the P or that the P goes down a

> very androgenic

> pathway for me and that I need higher amount of E.

> The issue right

> now is balancing the thyroid and estrogen and

> concern over not

> bleeding on a regular basis.

> Karin

>

> > > My scalp is on fire like someone dumped acid all

> > > over my head-hair is falling out all over, my

> > > eyelashes are slowly falling, losing some of

> those

> > > eyebrows, too. My thyroid tests (complete t.

> > > tests)show that it

> > > is ok.

> > >

> > > Sounds like thyroid to me. What are your

> thyroid

> > > scores? Sorry if you already mentioned that

> earlier.

> > > Thyroid scores to some docs are fine but not to

> > > others who also look at symptoms.

> > > Madeleen

> > >

> > > I wonder if that relates back to no E? Anyone

> > > suffer with this

> > > problem?

> > >

> > > Lana

> > >

> > > click here for our webpage

> > > http://rhythmicliving.com/

> > >

> > > **The group conversation is informational in

> nature

> > > and is not intended as medical advice.**

> > >

February 2, 2006

Oh honey. Hair loss is a bitch ain't it?

Unfortunately my wonderful endo doc was in the Boston

area, but even more unfortunately she was murdered by

her boyfriend three years ago.

I was put on aldactone (anti-androgen) and a different

bcp (ovcon 35) twenty years ago.

The burning scalp thing is called dysesthesia and Dr.

Redmond's book says that this is likely due to

estrogen deficiency versus the kind of problems I've

had all my life (testosterone sensitivity).

I'd run out and get some E if I were you. Wish I

could be of more help...........

Let me know how it goes

Carroll

--- Lana wrote:

> Carroll,

>

> Please, please, tell me what kind of tmt. you were

> put on and is this

> dr. in CA by any chance? Maybe I could get her to

> consult with my

> Endo? I am so desperate!!! Any/all assistance

> would be eternally

> appreciated!

>

> Lana

>

> >

>

__________________________________________________

February 2, 2006

I looked at my test scores and the copy that my Dr. gave me is so faint that I can't read the numbers, but she said it was at the very low end of the range. The Endocrinologist that I saw 2 days ago said that my thyroid was fine. I asked him if maybe the low end isn't good for, "ME" -personally, and he said that it was fine, yet my symptoms seem to say otherwise...I am going to ask him if he would give me a trial of Armour, like a "mirco-dot" dose and see if that helps...worth a try. He is having my blood tested for auto-immune problems to which they probably won't find a thing!

Why oh why can't the medical community figure out that for many people "low-end" isn't acceptable. Not every body is the same!!! Isn't it interesting that women get into their 40's and all seem to have the same symptoms-give or take a few...doesn't that set bells and alarms off? To add insult to injury, we are ignore or shuffled off to other md.s who don't want to deal with us. This is so real and needs to be taken seriously!!!!!

BTW: The "endo" wants to put me on low doses of E and says I don't need P since I have periods still and he thinks I am P sensitive (I think he is referring to the DHT from the P) The dr.s always blame DHT for the female pattern hair loss-sheesh, where would they be without "DHT and Alepecia" their favorite catch-all phrases!!!

Lana

> My scalp is on fire like someone dumped acid all over my head-hair is falling out all over, my eyelashes are slowly falling, losing some of those eyebrows, too. My thyroid tests (complete t. tests)show that it > is ok.> > Sounds like thyroid to me. What are your thyroid scores? Sorry if you already mentioned that earlier. Thyroid scores to some docs are fine but not to others who also look at symptoms.> Madeleen> > > I wonder if that relates back to no E? Anyone suffer with this > problem?> > Lana > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice.** > > > > >

February 2, 2006

that is the very first time I have ever heard of a Dr. saying that

someone may be P sensitive. I was also in the normal but low range

when I was first diagnosed with thyroid issues but the Dr did the

antibody tests to confirm that I had Hashimoto's. My hair falls out

w/the P and right now that is even small amounts.

Karin

> > My scalp is on fire like someone dumped acid all over my head-

hair is

> falling out all over, my eyelashes are slowly falling, losing some

of

> those eyebrows, too. My thyroid tests (complete t. tests)show that

it

> > is ok.

> >

> > Sounds like thyroid to me. What are your thyroid scores? Sorry if

you

> already mentioned that earlier. Thyroid scores to some docs are

fine but

> not to others who also look at symptoms.

> > Madeleen

> >

> > I wonder if that relates back to no E? Anyone suffer with this

> > problem?

> >

> > Lana

> >

> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

> intended as medical advice.**

> >

February 2, 2006

I was on spiro (aldactone) and was also on BC but I started flashing

at 40 on the BC. When I was on the spiro I needed to take large

amounts of E and would also take P. I started to do some research on

pub med and found a study comparing spiro to Tamoxifen. So here I was

on Spiro and basically canceling out my Test and my E. During the

time I took the P I would lose more hair. So I stopped the spiro and

the P and things are much better(no more hair loss and my acne is

much better) I just think that some people are very E sensitive or P

sensitive or T sensitive. I know I am very T and P sensitive. I have

a friend that is on the lowest dose E patch after a hyster and is

feeling great (sleeps well,good E effects)I take about 15 times more

E than she does and sometimes that is not enough. She has no thyroid

issues though. Maybe that plays into things also.

Karin

> > > > My scalp is on fire like someone dumped acid all

> > > > over my head-hair is falling out all over, my

> > > > eyelashes are slowly falling, losing some of

> > those

> > > > eyebrows, too. My thyroid tests (complete t.

> > > > tests)show that it

> > > > is ok.

> > > >

> > > > Sounds like thyroid to me. What are your

> > thyroid

> > > > scores? Sorry if you already mentioned that

> > earlier.

> > > > Thyroid scores to some docs are fine but not to

> > > > others who also look at symptoms.

> > > > Madeleen

> > > >

> > > > I wonder if that relates back to no E? Anyone

> > > > suffer with this

> > > > problem?

> > > >

> > > > Lana

> > > >

> > > > click here for our webpage

> > > > http://rhythmicliving.com/

> > > >

> > > > **The group conversation is informational in

> > nature

> > > > and is not intended as medical advice.**

> > > >

February 4, 2006

Carroll here again..... the message below sounds like

good advice. YOu can't really go by me anyway....I'm

not into menopause yet. Do you mind if I ask how old

you are? Screw those doctors who say there is nothing

you can do. YOu get your e up and I'll betcha fifty

bucks this will reverse itself. Avodart is a good med

to try also because it will block the DHT and the

warnings about never prescribing to women is because

of birth defects -- making male fetuses femaleish or

something. If you don't plan on a baby, a doctor

should be able to give it to you. Or buy it bootleg

on the internet. If I could afford it, I'd be on it

too. In the meantime, Toppik is a good scalp cover.

You will be amazed by it and not feel so self

conscious going out in public.

Best regards.........

--- bigbird3099 wrote:

> Lana,

> I did not use tamoxifen the study I talked about

> compared aldactone

> to Tamoxifen. A couple of years ago when I first

> started the bio

> identicals, I decided to just try some P for a

> couple of months. My

> testosterone went to 99 and I thought I was going

> bald. Thats when I

> went on the aldactone and took E and P. I had to

> take large of

> amounts of E to feel good though and I still had

> occasional hair loss

> (during the P time). What I found out is that

> aldactone does block

> testosterone but it also blocks the E. So I decided

> to stop taking it

> and to skip the P(except I take it every couple of

> months if I

> haven't had a period). The hair is growing back. You

> might want to

> try taking the aldactone for the time being just to

> stop any

> additional hair loss but be aware that your E needs

> might be higher

> during the time you take it. Redmonds book is good

> and pretty

> balanced and he had no problem w/me taking the

> bioidenticals.

> Karin

>

> > >

> > > I was on spiro (aldactone) and was also on BC

> but I started

> > flashing

> > > at 40 on the BC. When I was on the spiro I

> needed to take large

> > > amounts of E and would also take P. I started to

> do some research

> > on

> > > pub med and found a study comparing spiro to

> Tamoxifen. So here I

> > was

> > > on Spiro and basically canceling out my Test and

> my E. During the

> > > time I took the P I would lose more hair. So I

> stopped the spiro

> > and

> > > the P and things are much better(no more hair

> loss and my acne is

> > > much better) I just think that some people are

> very E sensitive

> or

> > P

> > > sensitive or T sensitive. I know I am very T and

> P sensitive. I

> > have

> > > a friend that is on the lowest dose E patch

> after a hyster and is

> > > feeling great (sleeps well,good E effects)I take

> about 15 times

> > more

> > > E than she does and sometimes that is not

> enough. She has no

> > thyroid

> > > issues though. Maybe that plays into things

> also.

> > > Karin

> > >

> >

>

__________________________________________________

February 4, 2006

Carroll,

I am 45 yrs. of age...(feeling like 80!!!) I am not in menopause

either-perimeno, yes-very. And, I definitely don't plan on having any

more kids at my age.

What is Toppik? I have never heard of it. Where do you find it?

I get my blood tests back on Mon. and see my GYN the following week-

which will seem like an eternity. She will then give me an Rx for more

E, not WP, but through WIP. I never thought I would be counting down

days til I got my E!

Thanks,

Lana

> > > >

> > > > I was on spiro (aldactone) and was also on BC

> > but I started

> > > flashing

> > > > at 40 on the BC. When I was on the spiro I

> > needed to take large

> > > > amounts of E and would also take P. I started to

> > do some research

> > > on

> > > > pub med and found a study comparing spiro to

> > Tamoxifen. So here I

> > > was

> > > > on Spiro and basically canceling out my Test and

> > my E. During the

> > > > time I took the P I would lose more hair. So I

> > stopped the spiro

> > > and

> > > > the P and things are much better(no more hair

> > loss and my acne is

> > > > much better) I just think that some people are

> > very E sensitive

> > or

> > > P

> > > > sensitive or T sensitive. I know I am very T and

> > P sensitive. I

> > > have

> > > > a friend that is on the lowest dose E patch

> > after a hyster and is

> > > > feeling great (sleeps well,good E effects)I take

> > about 15 times

> > > more

> > > > E than she does and sometimes that is not

> > enough. She has no

> > > thyroid

> > > > issues though. Maybe that plays into things

> > also.

> > > > Karin

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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